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		<title>By: Tall Cotton</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>Tall Cotton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utter nonsense!!!</description>
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		<title>By: southcity</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>southcity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>most simply cannot fathom the ramifications of such a disclosure.  The infectious agent causing this is caused by a stray target (nondisclosed) created by experimental research done under a C3 permit by a proteomics research center.  In other words it is a man made creation which has escaped containment.  This target was created for research into artificial skin, wound dressing as well as cancer research tools.  This is a military issue of high caliber, enough so to be defended by many parties, hence all the conflicting reports and otherwise lack of any credible information.  The microscopic images shown in the video found at www.crossinglines.net (follow the links) is completely out of my area of expertise, I am not a microbiologist.  However the Macroscopic images shown and this agents interaction with host are EXACTLY the same thing I am able to show on my own body to anyone that will listen and would like to look.   For photos of the fibers, follow these links.
http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%201.jpg
http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%202.jpg

for the picts showing the dissemination in skin follow these links.

 http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin.jpg

http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%202.jpg

http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%203.jpg

http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%204.jpg



Pictures of typical lesions
http://www.crossinglines.net/Typical%20lesions%20Random%20pattern.jpg
http://crossinglines.net/lesion%20photographs.htm  series of slides.


Picture of the synthetic polymer showing random recombination.
http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20015_0001.jpg
http://crossinglines.net/photo_gallery.htm  series of slides.

Culture
http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20017_0003.jpg

and finally the most common thing reported and seen by those suffering from this is the fibers seen outside the body.  One can put fresh sparkling clean sheets on their bed, shower and scrub fanatically, go from shower to bed, then wake up to find these structures in bed with them.  I am not kidding when I say these were not in the bed when you got in it.    http://www.crossinglines.net/pic_of_moving_fuzz.jpg
The video compiled by a scientist in Europe can be viewed by following the links at www.crossinglines.net.  If you are a scientist or research professional, please share your comments concerning what you are seeing in this, as I have said, only the macroscopic images mean anything to me and would love some qualified remarks concerning the microscopic images.

From what I understand the reasons for the lack of acknowledgement from the medical community is a political as can be.  Once the uninfected general public becomes aware of the release of this thing into public space, reactions may become unpredictable.  Also, the economic problems which will be sure to follow. Everything these days is genomic/ proteomic research related—from the paint on the door to the food on your plate.  In fact, several hundred billion a year in the US alone.  Also it appears that even though this seems to be a accidental release, this accident is being “nurtured” by big pharm with obvious goal of the need for lifelong suppressive therapy.

The video’s creators have also stated that this element is differentiating. Meaning it is the cause of several seemingly unrelated diseases.  If a single pathogen is worth a billion dollars to the medical industry then this pathogen is worth 10’s of billions.  This bug is a money maker and we are all at the mercy of the medical industry.  The key word to concentrate on here is INDUSTRY.  All industry is profit orientated and this should scare the bejeebbers out of you.  Hence the lack of motivation to fund research into this disorder.  It will without doubt prove that these industries focus primarily on the effects of disease and not the cause of them.  To cure is not profitable, but to treat over and over again is.  Look at the treatments HIV patients must take for life in order to stay alive.

A pathogen represents billions and to take a cause of disease away is a disaster for many.

More to follow, my damn fingers hurt and I stink at typing.

Southcity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most simply cannot fathom the ramifications of such a disclosure.  The infectious agent causing this is caused by a stray target (nondisclosed) created by experimental research done under a C3 permit by a proteomics research center.  In other words it is a man made creation which has escaped containment.  This target was created for research into artificial skin, wound dressing as well as cancer research tools.  This is a military issue of high caliber, enough so to be defended by many parties, hence all the conflicting reports and otherwise lack of any credible information.  The microscopic images shown in the video found at <a href="http://www.crossinglines.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net</a> (follow the links) is completely out of my area of expertise, I am not a microbiologist.  However the Macroscopic images shown and this agents interaction with host are EXACTLY the same thing I am able to show on my own body to anyone that will listen and would like to look.   For photos of the fibers, follow these links.<br />
<a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%201.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%201.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%202.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%202.jpg</a></p>
<p>for the picts showing the dissemination in skin follow these links.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%202.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%202.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%203.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%203.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%204.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%204.jpg</a></p>
<p>Pictures of typical lesions<br />
<a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/Typical%20lesions%20Random%20pattern.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/Typical%20lesions%20Random%20pattern.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://crossinglines.net/lesion%20photographs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://crossinglines.net/lesion%20photographs.htm</a>  series of slides.</p>
<p>Picture of the synthetic polymer showing random recombination.<br />
<a href="http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20015_0001.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20015_0001.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://crossinglines.net/photo_gallery.htm" rel="nofollow">http://crossinglines.net/photo_gallery.htm</a>  series of slides.</p>
<p>Culture<br />
<a href="http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20017_0003.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20017_0003.jpg</a></p>
<p>and finally the most common thing reported and seen by those suffering from this is the fibers seen outside the body.  One can put fresh sparkling clean sheets on their bed, shower and scrub fanatically, go from shower to bed, then wake up to find these structures in bed with them.  I am not kidding when I say these were not in the bed when you got in it.    <a href="http://www.crossinglines.net/pic_of_moving_fuzz.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net/pic_of_moving_fuzz.jpg</a><br />
The video compiled by a scientist in Europe can be viewed by following the links at <a href="http://www.crossinglines.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossinglines.net</a>.  If you are a scientist or research professional, please share your comments concerning what you are seeing in this, as I have said, only the macroscopic images mean anything to me and would love some qualified remarks concerning the microscopic images.</p>
<p>From what I understand the reasons for the lack of acknowledgement from the medical community is a political as can be.  Once the uninfected general public becomes aware of the release of this thing into public space, reactions may become unpredictable.  Also, the economic problems which will be sure to follow. Everything these days is genomic/ proteomic research related—from the paint on the door to the food on your plate.  In fact, several hundred billion a year in the US alone.  Also it appears that even though this seems to be a accidental release, this accident is being “nurtured” by big pharm with obvious goal of the need for lifelong suppressive therapy.</p>
<p>The video’s creators have also stated that this element is differentiating. Meaning it is the cause of several seemingly unrelated diseases.  If a single pathogen is worth a billion dollars to the medical industry then this pathogen is worth 10’s of billions.  This bug is a money maker and we are all at the mercy of the medical industry.  The key word to concentrate on here is INDUSTRY.  All industry is profit orientated and this should scare the bejeebbers out of you.  Hence the lack of motivation to fund research into this disorder.  It will without doubt prove that these industries focus primarily on the effects of disease and not the cause of them.  To cure is not profitable, but to treat over and over again is.  Look at the treatments HIV patients must take for life in order to stay alive.</p>
<p>A pathogen represents billions and to take a cause of disease away is a disaster for many.</p>
<p>More to follow, my damn fingers hurt and I stink at typing.</p>
<p>Southcity</p>
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		<title>By: Smileykins</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator>Smileykins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In mental health care, it seems the only options on how to view mental and emotional difficulties are:

1.  blaming people for their problems or

2.  attributing them to a biological disease

There&#039;s another option. People have difficulties when their circumstances, or some combination of who they are and their experiences, trigger emotional pain or confusion severe enough to surpass their ability to cope.

It happens because the world is not ideal, and we, as humans, are not perfectly engineered for our environments.

Sometimes people make mistakes, behave stupidly, or act out of malice, and sometimes physical conditions affect thoughts and emotions, but in many cases, people have only a certain level of ability to survive emotionally, and experiences test and break that ability.

That&#039;s when one needs help; not necessarily medicine or confinement, but empathy, compassion, and practical assistance meeting needs and thinking effectively.

I&#039;ve read so much from some morgie people, citing certain things that take place while they&#039;re at their doctors&#039; which really sound like nothing out of the ordinary.

It might be nice, &quot;in a perfect world&quot;, but I&#039;m not sure that everyone goes to doctors with the expectancy of them showing sympathy, or having any physical contact during an office visit.

It seems that a psychologist would be more suitable to fill the expectations, of some, that aren&#039;t met through other doctors, and that they could work together in the treatment of the patient.  I don&#039;t think they prescribe pills like psychiatrists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In mental health care, it seems the only options on how to view mental and emotional difficulties are:</p>
<p>1.  blaming people for their problems or</p>
<p>2.  attributing them to a biological disease</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another option. People have difficulties when their circumstances, or some combination of who they are and their experiences, trigger emotional pain or confusion severe enough to surpass their ability to cope.</p>
<p>It happens because the world is not ideal, and we, as humans, are not perfectly engineered for our environments.</p>
<p>Sometimes people make mistakes, behave stupidly, or act out of malice, and sometimes physical conditions affect thoughts and emotions, but in many cases, people have only a certain level of ability to survive emotionally, and experiences test and break that ability.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s when one needs help; not necessarily medicine or confinement, but empathy, compassion, and practical assistance meeting needs and thinking effectively.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read so much from some morgie people, citing certain things that take place while they&#8217;re at their doctors&#8217; which really sound like nothing out of the ordinary.</p>
<p>It might be nice, &#8220;in a perfect world&#8221;, but I&#8217;m not sure that everyone goes to doctors with the expectancy of them showing sympathy, or having any physical contact during an office visit.</p>
<p>It seems that a psychologist would be more suitable to fill the expectations, of some, that aren&#8217;t met through other doctors, and that they could work together in the treatment of the patient.  I don&#8217;t think they prescribe pills like psychiatrists.</p>
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		<title>By: abac68</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1712</link>
		<dc:creator>abac68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES
1111 West 17th Street
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
918-582-1972
May 15, 2006
Re: Morgellons Disease
From: Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D., Department of Pharmacology &amp; Physiology
Rhonda Casey, D.O., Department of Pediatrics
Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Dear Practitioner,
This letter concerns a patient population that manifests a particular set of symptoms we have encountered
with increasing frequency, and that OSU-CHS is actively researching. The condition has been labeled as
Morgellons Disease and it is unclear if this is a single disease or a multi-faceted syndrome. Until recently, most of
these patients have been grouped as a subset of the diagnosis of Delusions of Parasites (delusional parasitosis;
DOP). After obtaining careful patient histories and thorough physical exam, we have determined that Morgellons
patients have several important distinctions ruling out the diagnosis of DOP.
This population of patients frequently exhibit the following symptoms:
• Distinct and poorly healing skin lesions with unusually thick, membranous scarring upon eventual healing.
• Moderate to extreme pruritis at sites of lesions as well as un-erupted skin.
• Microscopic examination of these lesions will most often reveal the presence of unusual fibers, which may be
black, blue or red. These fibers, which many healthcare providers initially thought to be textile
contaminants, are often present in the deep tissue of biopsies obtained from unbroken skin of individuals
with this condition. Careful examination of these fibers further reveals that they are frequently associated
with hair follicles, and are definitely not textile in origin.
• Most of these patients suffer from a host of neurological symptoms which can vary in severity from mild to
severe. These neurological symptoms include peripheral tingling, paresthesias and varying degrees of motor
involvement which appear to progress.
• Intermittent cognitive and behavioral status changes are often observed and also seem to progress with the
severity of disease. This is often referred to as “brain fog” by the patient as they experience a waxing and
waning of this symptom.
• Laboratory findings in these patients are variable, but often reveal eosinophilia and elevated levels of
Immunoglobin E.
• Other symptoms of varying severity and frequency have been described, and are included in the attached
case definition.
Continued…
Morgellons patients differ from classical, delusional parasitosis patients in several areas. They do not respond to
antipsychotics, and new lesions continue to appear upon complete cessation of manual excoriation.
Due to the sensation of foreign material in their tissue, that has been described as sharp, stinging and/or splinterlike,
the patient may have discovered the fibers prior to seeking medical care, and may bring them to your office for
examination. Please do not assume that the patient&#039;s problem is purely psychological based on this propensity.
Many of these patients may appear skeptical of traditional medical care due to frequent dismissal of their
symptoms in the past. The combination of suffering from a chronic disease with distressful symptoms and no known
cause or cure can cause some patients to appear anxious or agitated.
We encourage you to take the time to carefully interview any patient who may fall into this category, perform
any testing you may deem appropriate, and most importantly treat the patient with compassion and dignity.
Sincerely,
Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D. Rhonda Casey, D.O.
Director of Research, Associate Professor of Pediatrics
Morgellons Research Foundation
Assistant Professor of Pharmacology
Oklahoma State University
Center for Health Sciences
1111 West 17th Steet
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
email: morgellons@okstate.edu
Morgellons Information Line: (877) 599-7999
www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES<br />
1111 West 17th Street<br />
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898<br />
918-582-1972<br />
May 15, 2006<br />
Re: Morgellons Disease<br />
From: Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D., Department of Pharmacology &amp; Physiology<br />
Rhonda Casey, D.O., Department of Pediatrics<br />
Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences<br />
Tulsa, Oklahoma<br />
Dear Practitioner,<br />
This letter concerns a patient population that manifests a particular set of symptoms we have encountered<br />
with increasing frequency, and that OSU-CHS is actively researching. The condition has been labeled as<br />
Morgellons Disease and it is unclear if this is a single disease or a multi-faceted syndrome. Until recently, most of<br />
these patients have been grouped as a subset of the diagnosis of Delusions of Parasites (delusional parasitosis;<br />
DOP). After obtaining careful patient histories and thorough physical exam, we have determined that Morgellons<br />
patients have several important distinctions ruling out the diagnosis of DOP.<br />
This population of patients frequently exhibit the following symptoms:<br />
• Distinct and poorly healing skin lesions with unusually thick, membranous scarring upon eventual healing.<br />
• Moderate to extreme pruritis at sites of lesions as well as un-erupted skin.<br />
• Microscopic examination of these lesions will most often reveal the presence of unusual fibers, which may be<br />
black, blue or red. These fibers, which many healthcare providers initially thought to be textile<br />
contaminants, are often present in the deep tissue of biopsies obtained from unbroken skin of individuals<br />
with this condition. Careful examination of these fibers further reveals that they are frequently associated<br />
with hair follicles, and are definitely not textile in origin.<br />
• Most of these patients suffer from a host of neurological symptoms which can vary in severity from mild to<br />
severe. These neurological symptoms include peripheral tingling, paresthesias and varying degrees of motor<br />
involvement which appear to progress.<br />
• Intermittent cognitive and behavioral status changes are often observed and also seem to progress with the<br />
severity of disease. This is often referred to as “brain fog” by the patient as they experience a waxing and<br />
waning of this symptom.<br />
• Laboratory findings in these patients are variable, but often reveal eosinophilia and elevated levels of<br />
Immunoglobin E.<br />
• Other symptoms of varying severity and frequency have been described, and are included in the attached<br />
case definition.<br />
Continued…<br />
Morgellons patients differ from classical, delusional parasitosis patients in several areas. They do not respond to<br />
antipsychotics, and new lesions continue to appear upon complete cessation of manual excoriation.<br />
Due to the sensation of foreign material in their tissue, that has been described as sharp, stinging and/or splinterlike,<br />
the patient may have discovered the fibers prior to seeking medical care, and may bring them to your office for<br />
examination. Please do not assume that the patient&#8217;s problem is purely psychological based on this propensity.<br />
Many of these patients may appear skeptical of traditional medical care due to frequent dismissal of their<br />
symptoms in the past. The combination of suffering from a chronic disease with distressful symptoms and no known<br />
cause or cure can cause some patients to appear anxious or agitated.<br />
We encourage you to take the time to carefully interview any patient who may fall into this category, perform<br />
any testing you may deem appropriate, and most importantly treat the patient with compassion and dignity.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D. Rhonda Casey, D.O.<br />
Director of Research, Associate Professor of Pediatrics<br />
Morgellons Research Foundation<br />
Assistant Professor of Pharmacology<br />
Oklahoma State University<br />
Center for Health Sciences<br />
1111 West 17th Steet<br />
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898<br />
email: <a href="mailto:morgellons@okstate.edu">morgellons@okstate.edu</a><br />
Morgellons Information Line: (877) 599-7999<br />
<a href="http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abac68, perhaps you could try to address some specific issues?  Any evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abac68, perhaps you could try to address some specific issues?  Any evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: abac68</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>abac68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiss my bottom!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiss my bottom!!</p>
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		<title>By: Smileykins</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1709</link>
		<dc:creator>Smileykins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinions are not representative of the owner of this blog, nor do they represent the opinions of anyone other than Smileykins.

It&#039;s just that I feel strongly, that while &quot;morgellons disease&quot; is many things, to many people, this particular behavior is suspect as being involved, among a wide range of behavioral disorders that look as though they&#039;ve gone undiagnosed and untreated.

I&#039;d like to also be sure to add that there are morgie victims, who don&#039;t express themselves, over the internet, as sounding like they have too much more going on other than what they say they do.

I&#039;m not &quot;diagnosing&quot; over the web, and I &quot;am not&quot; discounting, whatsoever, that these people all have physical problems with their health.

All that any of us can possibly &quot;know&quot;, unless we have &quot;a morgellons victim&quot; in our personal lives, however, is what the &quot;victims&quot; reveal to us, here, on the internet.

Emotional-behavioral disorders are &quot;seemingly&quot; undeniably present as a very significant feature of this &quot;disease&quot;. Among others, I think borderline personality disorder could be present in some, and I&#039;ll explain what leads me into thinking this.

In borderline personalities, swinging between adult-like and child-like behavior is uncontrollable. Adult behavior of the borderline crumbles suddenly and without apparent provocation into childish anger or tears.

Having a sensitive adult disintegrate into a raging, &quot;abandoned&quot; or rejecting child is quite unnerving. The flip-flop emotions of a borderline are where the personality disorder got its name: the borderline between childhood and adulthood, good and bad, all or nothing.

What is observed in the vast changes in mood, attitude and behaviour of borderline personalities is the shifting between the here and now and the past.

The past being totally unsafe and very frightening to re-live it brings out very regressed child-like and at times, violent raging behaviour in borderlines.

This is not to say that they are evil. They are not evil. They have been deeply wounded and left to emotionally fend for themselves in stages of development that require parenting and caretaking.

Somehow the difference in behaviour and presentation is some kind of experiment or something merely that is being inflicted on those around the borderline, almost as if just for the heck of it.

Borderline behaviour in all of its complexity stems from very deep and very real intrapsychic pain.

While this pain is the kind of pain that interferes with identity it is not about two distinct aspects of soul in competition with each other.

It is not about two souls engaging in on-going and inherent conflict with each other. It is about the borderline trying to integrate, in the big picture, the here and now with their past. Such behaviour is trauma based with its roots in protective dissociation.

Each of us, borderline or not, has inherently good and bad within him/herself. Life is not lived in black and white and this is the struggle for most borderlines, trying to find balance, the center, the grey that mixes the reality of both the black and the white.

To refer to borderlines or their behaviour in this black and white way is a disservice and unproductive for those around the borderline and for the borderline, as well.

Whether or not you think that the person with this disorder,  is acting from a base of purely good or purely bad, or evil is a gross over-simplification of what is actually going on.

Rather than two aspects of self at war or in competition with each other borderlines are at war with a self that they do not yet know. The battle is between the false self and the authentic self. Neither aspect of self is all good or all bad.

There is nothing evil about having a personality disorder. If someone is unable to accept personal responsibility for him/herself and his/her behaviour then you have to ask yourself what you are doing allowing them to be in your life.

If you are not happy with a relationship or you are borderline and not happy with your life rather than try to simplify things in a derogatory manner it is much more helpful for all concerned if you realize what is truly going on for the borderline inside.

The reality that most borderlines are in a great deal of pain is not an excuse for poor or inappropriate behaviour. But, until the conflicts that each borderline must resolve in order to reclaim his/her life is dealt with, they will continue with the behaviors.

The persecutory misconceptions of morgie people (which I addressed in some other comments...&quot;not diagnoses&quot;, but just &quot;my views&quot;, as usual), and the associated &quot;coming un-done&quot; of some, (maybe existing in more than those who display it online), appears to be very suspsect of BPD.

I say this, also, because if morgie people have such a firm belief...in other words, if they have &quot;a conviction&quot; that they have such a thing as &quot;morgellons disease&quot;...

Well, we all know what a conviction is...

And when a person has a conviction -- come hell or high water -- we all know...

Nothing that anyone else says, or does, causes you to feel even the least bit threatened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinions are not representative of the owner of this blog, nor do they represent the opinions of anyone other than Smileykins.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that I feel strongly, that while &#8220;morgellons disease&#8221; is many things, to many people, this particular behavior is suspect as being involved, among a wide range of behavioral disorders that look as though they&#8217;ve gone undiagnosed and untreated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to also be sure to add that there are morgie victims, who don&#8217;t express themselves, over the internet, as sounding like they have too much more going on other than what they say they do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not &#8220;diagnosing&#8221; over the web, and I &#8220;am not&#8221; discounting, whatsoever, that these people all have physical problems with their health.</p>
<p>All that any of us can possibly &#8220;know&#8221;, unless we have &#8220;a morgellons victim&#8221; in our personal lives, however, is what the &#8220;victims&#8221; reveal to us, here, on the internet.</p>
<p>Emotional-behavioral disorders are &#8220;seemingly&#8221; undeniably present as a very significant feature of this &#8220;disease&#8221;. Among others, I think borderline personality disorder could be present in some, and I&#8217;ll explain what leads me into thinking this.</p>
<p>In borderline personalities, swinging between adult-like and child-like behavior is uncontrollable. Adult behavior of the borderline crumbles suddenly and without apparent provocation into childish anger or tears.</p>
<p>Having a sensitive adult disintegrate into a raging, &#8220;abandoned&#8221; or rejecting child is quite unnerving. The flip-flop emotions of a borderline are where the personality disorder got its name: the borderline between childhood and adulthood, good and bad, all or nothing.</p>
<p>What is observed in the vast changes in mood, attitude and behaviour of borderline personalities is the shifting between the here and now and the past.</p>
<p>The past being totally unsafe and very frightening to re-live it brings out very regressed child-like and at times, violent raging behaviour in borderlines.</p>
<p>This is not to say that they are evil. They are not evil. They have been deeply wounded and left to emotionally fend for themselves in stages of development that require parenting and caretaking.</p>
<p>Somehow the difference in behaviour and presentation is some kind of experiment or something merely that is being inflicted on those around the borderline, almost as if just for the heck of it.</p>
<p>Borderline behaviour in all of its complexity stems from very deep and very real intrapsychic pain.</p>
<p>While this pain is the kind of pain that interferes with identity it is not about two distinct aspects of soul in competition with each other.</p>
<p>It is not about two souls engaging in on-going and inherent conflict with each other. It is about the borderline trying to integrate, in the big picture, the here and now with their past. Such behaviour is trauma based with its roots in protective dissociation.</p>
<p>Each of us, borderline or not, has inherently good and bad within him/herself. Life is not lived in black and white and this is the struggle for most borderlines, trying to find balance, the center, the grey that mixes the reality of both the black and the white.</p>
<p>To refer to borderlines or their behaviour in this black and white way is a disservice and unproductive for those around the borderline and for the borderline, as well.</p>
<p>Whether or not you think that the person with this disorder,  is acting from a base of purely good or purely bad, or evil is a gross over-simplification of what is actually going on.</p>
<p>Rather than two aspects of self at war or in competition with each other borderlines are at war with a self that they do not yet know. The battle is between the false self and the authentic self. Neither aspect of self is all good or all bad.</p>
<p>There is nothing evil about having a personality disorder. If someone is unable to accept personal responsibility for him/herself and his/her behaviour then you have to ask yourself what you are doing allowing them to be in your life.</p>
<p>If you are not happy with a relationship or you are borderline and not happy with your life rather than try to simplify things in a derogatory manner it is much more helpful for all concerned if you realize what is truly going on for the borderline inside.</p>
<p>The reality that most borderlines are in a great deal of pain is not an excuse for poor or inappropriate behaviour. But, until the conflicts that each borderline must resolve in order to reclaim his/her life is dealt with, they will continue with the behaviors.</p>
<p>The persecutory misconceptions of morgie people (which I addressed in some other comments&#8230;&#8221;not diagnoses&#8221;, but just &#8220;my views&#8221;, as usual), and the associated &#8220;coming un-done&#8221; of some, (maybe existing in more than those who display it online), appears to be very suspsect of BPD.</p>
<p>I say this, also, because if morgie people have such a firm belief&#8230;in other words, if they have &#8220;a conviction&#8221; that they have such a thing as &#8220;morgellons disease&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, we all know what a conviction is&#8230;</p>
<p>And when a person has a conviction &#8212; come hell or high water &#8212; we all know&#8230;</p>
<p>Nothing that anyone else says, or does, causes you to feel even the least bit threatened.</p>
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		<title>By: whatsyouragenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatsyouragenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Bugsalive and Adapted,

I&#039;m wondering ...when did you both
have your sudden enlightenment?

Does it not worry you that you
went from one unquestionable belief
then swung to another which just
happens to be the complete
opposite?

It&#039;s quite obvious you are both
delusional but my biggest worry is
whether you can survive the next
fall when you realize that you
are both horribly wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bugsalive and Adapted,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering &#8230;when did you both<br />
have your sudden enlightenment?</p>
<p>Does it not worry you that you<br />
went from one unquestionable belief<br />
then swung to another which just<br />
happens to be the complete<br />
opposite?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite obvious you are both<br />
delusional but my biggest worry is<br />
whether you can survive the next<br />
fall when you realize that you<br />
are both horribly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: abac68</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1707</link>
		<dc:creator>abac68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnboy - Don&#039;t tell me Michael is paying you also.  Shame on YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnboy &#8211; Don&#8217;t tell me Michael is paying you also.  Shame on YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: JeeezeLouise</title>
		<link>http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/05/28/morgellons-fact-check/#comment-1706</link>
		<dc:creator>JeeezeLouise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to note that this blog serves a good purpose, regardless of any skirmishes in the comment areas.

I have &#039;suffered&#039; from chronic hives for *years*, although &quot;suffered&quot; is a bit dramatic - more like &quot;been annoyed&quot;.  I assume an allergy, but have never identified a specific cause, it&#039;s just one of those unexplained things.  Chronic, unexplained hives are not terribly uncommon, there are loads of people like me.

Now, over the last couple of weeks, &quot;Morgellons&quot; has gotten widespread press.  I happened to be having an attack of hives when my local TV station ran the lead-in for their story.  Once I&#039;d seen the report, clearly I did not have Morgellons, but I did Google it up out of curiousity.  Only *ONE* site I visited that evening - Morgellonswatch - did NOT suggest that my symptoms could be this horrible new plague.

I can EASILY see how a more suggestible person, with chronic unexplained itching and rashes, sitting in front of her PC that evening and reading all those &#039;personal accounts&#039; of Morgellons, could begin to wonder if maybe that&#039;s what her problem is.  I can EASILY imagine that person picking up a magnifying glass and finding &quot;fibers&quot; on her skin.  In other words, I can EASILY see how a simple case of chronic hives can turn into Morgellons.

Whether or not Morgellons truly exists, there MUST be counter-point information out there and available.  If Morgellons is real, then that &#039;community&#039; does not benefit by having thousands of people with perfectly common conditions self-diagnosing themselves as &quot;Morgies&quot;.  And certainly no one with common hives should be encouraged to go digging for fibers and critters in their skin.

I just took a Benadryl and went back to bed that evening.  But I *could* have stayed up the rest of the night convincing myself I had a wicked new parasite, and I imagine more than a few people did.  If the &quot;Morgies&quot; don&#039;t like the DOP label, then it is in their best interests to discourage people like me from presenting with DOP - and that&#039;s what it would have been.

And as for everyone who suddenly began to itch while watching the local news, it was surely in their best interests to find a counter-argument like the one on this blog, take a Benadryl, and go back to sleep.

regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to note that this blog serves a good purpose, regardless of any skirmishes in the comment areas.</p>
<p>I have &#8216;suffered&#8217; from chronic hives for *years*, although &#8220;suffered&#8221; is a bit dramatic &#8211; more like &#8220;been annoyed&#8221;.  I assume an allergy, but have never identified a specific cause, it&#8217;s just one of those unexplained things.  Chronic, unexplained hives are not terribly uncommon, there are loads of people like me.</p>
<p>Now, over the last couple of weeks, &#8220;Morgellons&#8221; has gotten widespread press.  I happened to be having an attack of hives when my local TV station ran the lead-in for their story.  Once I&#8217;d seen the report, clearly I did not have Morgellons, but I did Google it up out of curiousity.  Only *ONE* site I visited that evening &#8211; Morgellonswatch &#8211; did NOT suggest that my symptoms could be this horrible new plague.</p>
<p>I can EASILY see how a more suggestible person, with chronic unexplained itching and rashes, sitting in front of her PC that evening and reading all those &#8216;personal accounts&#8217; of Morgellons, could begin to wonder if maybe that&#8217;s what her problem is.  I can EASILY imagine that person picking up a magnifying glass and finding &#8220;fibers&#8221; on her skin.  In other words, I can EASILY see how a simple case of chronic hives can turn into Morgellons.</p>
<p>Whether or not Morgellons truly exists, there MUST be counter-point information out there and available.  If Morgellons is real, then that &#8216;community&#8217; does not benefit by having thousands of people with perfectly common conditions self-diagnosing themselves as &#8220;Morgies&#8221;.  And certainly no one with common hives should be encouraged to go digging for fibers and critters in their skin.</p>
<p>I just took a Benadryl and went back to bed that evening.  But I *could* have stayed up the rest of the night convincing myself I had a wicked new parasite, and I imagine more than a few people did.  If the &#8220;Morgies&#8221; don&#8217;t like the DOP label, then it is in their best interests to discourage people like me from presenting with DOP &#8211; and that&#8217;s what it would have been.</p>
<p>And as for everyone who suddenly began to itch while watching the local news, it was surely in their best interests to find a counter-argument like the one on this blog, take a Benadryl, and go back to sleep.</p>
<p>regards</p>
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