Comments on: Dismissed as Psychological http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/ Resources for Morgellons investigators. Skeptical analysis and discussion. Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:03:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-21780 Michael Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:29:57 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-21780 <blockquote>I think it can’t be too difficult for a doctor to convince a patient (particularly one so scared of those lesions) to not touch them at all.</blockquote> You should ask a doctor about that. If someone is obsessed with picking at their skin, then how are they going to stop. It's like an addiction. Even without a psychological component, scratching is very difficult to stop, see Cindy Casey, head of the main Morgellons fundraising organization: http://www.cherokeechas.com/Morg01.htm <blockquote>Exam room – Cindy disrobed and Shelley looked at the lesions, which now are all over her buttocks, lower legs, forearms, thighs (these are very recent), upper back and (very few) on the scalp. She was appalled that Cindy had been scratching them – well… they ITCH, (bitch)..! ... Shelley gave Cindy explicit orders not to scratch and Cindy explained that it would take general anesthesia to keep her form scratching something that burns and itches as bad as this condition. </blockquote> Then you ask: <blockquote>What about the joint pains? Were they self-inflicted from all the scratching putting a load on the joints?</blockquote> Everyone has joint pains. I have joint pains. Anyone over 40 has joint pains. Most of the symptoms on the symptom list are symptoms of getting old - the aches and pains, the stress and weariness of everyday life.

I think it can’t be too difficult for a doctor to convince a patient (particularly one so scared of those lesions) to not touch them at all.

You should ask a doctor about that. If someone is obsessed with picking at their skin, then how are they going to stop. It’s like an addiction. Even without a psychological component, scratching is very difficult to stop, see Cindy Casey, head of the main Morgellons fundraising organization:

http://www.cherokeechas.com/Morg01.htm

Exam room – Cindy disrobed and Shelley looked at the lesions, which now are all over her buttocks, lower legs, forearms, thighs (these are very recent), upper back and (very few) on the scalp. She was appalled that Cindy had been scratching them – well… they ITCH, (bitch)..!
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Shelley gave Cindy explicit orders not to scratch and Cindy explained that it would take general anesthesia to keep her form scratching something that burns and itches as bad as this condition.

Then you ask:

What about the joint pains? Were they self-inflicted from all the scratching putting a load on the joints?

Everyone has joint pains. I have joint pains. Anyone over 40 has joint pains. Most of the symptoms on the symptom list are symptoms of getting old – the aches and pains, the stress and weariness of everyday life.

]]> By: Vidyut http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-21759 Vidyut Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:33:03 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-21759 It just irritates me to see people shove difficult clients to another department (or in this case, patients to the shrink). The guy may be delusional, but were you able to cure the lesions? Or is talking going to do that? I mean, fibers or not, I think it can't be too difficult for a doctor to convince a patient (particularly one so scared of those lesions) to not touch them at all. Does this help cure them? No one knows. Honestly, if it were something as simple as them being scratched into existence, stopping that shouldn't have taken a country level political intervension. What about the joint pains? Were they self-inflicted from all the scratching putting a load on the joints? Regardless of whether this is a new disease, doctors need to figure out if they are too good for certain kinds of people, or if they want to help all who need it. It just irritates me to see people shove difficult clients to another department (or in this case, patients to the shrink). The guy may be delusional, but were you able to cure the lesions? Or is talking going to do that?

I mean, fibers or not, I think it can’t be too difficult for a doctor to convince a patient (particularly one so scared of those lesions) to not touch them at all. Does this help cure them? No one knows.

Honestly, if it were something as simple as them being scratched into existence, stopping that shouldn’t have taken a country level political intervension.

What about the joint pains? Were they self-inflicted from all the scratching putting a load on the joints?

Regardless of whether this is a new disease, doctors need to figure out if they are too good for certain kinds of people, or if they want to help all who need it.

]]> By: lp http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20187 lp Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:04:02 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20187 Yes , I agree with Michael , keep an open mind and let the dr. treat you ,not yourself or the other websites,, they are the problem now as people go to them and don't get cured there also ,except try everything that they suggest ,or talk with there dr. on there website ,, (who is probably running it)that is why you get an instant pm on to contact them.. And it is hard to believe that all this stuff is growing out ,, wouldn't it clog your blood vessels and cause clots and anuerysms if it is like that..the symptoms list is too close to everything else,, depression , arthritis , old age,, etc... I had alot of those symptoms , and I know it is not that but getting old and old injuries you name it,, now I am suffering with a herniated disk ,living with it ,and trying to do right things.. Life is to short to let something like this consume you,, that is why there are drs. and let them figure it out.. what you have ,, I repeat ,,,, don't self diagnose yourself,, worse thing you can do over internet.......... EXPERIENCE... Yes , I agree with Michael , keep an open mind and let the dr. treat you ,not yourself or the other websites,, they are the problem now as people go to them and don’t get cured there also ,except try everything that they suggest ,or talk with there dr. on there website ,, (who is probably running it)that is why you get an instant pm on to contact them.. And it is hard to believe that all this stuff is growing out ,, wouldn’t it clog your blood vessels and cause clots and anuerysms if it is like that..the symptoms list is too close to everything else,, depression , arthritis , old age,, etc… I had alot of those symptoms , and I know it is not that but getting old and old injuries you name it,, now I am suffering with a herniated disk ,living with it ,and trying to do right things.. Life is to short to let something like this consume you,, that is why there are drs. and let them figure it out.. what you have ,, I repeat ,,,, don’t self diagnose yourself,, worse thing you can do over internet………. EXPERIENCE…

]]> By: Michael http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20119 Michael Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:52:27 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20119 BJ, being open minded is fine. But you need at least a little evidence to base treatments on. Lots of doctors have looked into Morgellons with an open mind, and have found the fibers to be lint, and the itching and lesions to be caused by other skin conditions. Hence, they treat those other conditions. You say "this disease" as if there is one common disease, when all the evidence suggests there a large number of different conditions that can lead to the same symptoms. Are you open minded enough to look into that possibility? BJ, being open minded is fine. But you need at least a little evidence to base treatments on. Lots of doctors have looked into Morgellons with an open mind, and have found the fibers to be lint, and the itching and lesions to be caused by other skin conditions. Hence, they treat those other conditions.

You say “this disease” as if there is one common disease, when all the evidence suggests there a large number of different conditions that can lead to the same symptoms. Are you open minded enough to look into that possibility?

]]> By: BJ http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20106 BJ Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:47:30 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20106 Doctors only know what they are taught. And they can only be taught what is known. It has certainly happened before that they were taught wrong because we, as humans, did not know better yet. A brief view of our history: "Cigarettes are good for you." "The cramps are all in your head." "The world is flat." Etc. People truly believed these things at one point or another. When new evidence came around, we learned the truth. There are many things we don't know yet and there will be many things we learn in the future. To assume this disease (or anything, for that matter) is not real because we don't currently have a scientific explanation for it is beyond arrogant. How can we possibly assume we already know everything there is to know? We do not. If we truly care about our fellow human beings, we will put our egos aside and help them. Period. You would think we would have learned from our history that we should be a bit more open-minded. Doctors only know what they are taught. And they can only be taught what is known. It has certainly happened before that they were taught wrong because we, as humans, did not know better yet.

A brief view of our history:

“Cigarettes are good for you.”

“The cramps are all in your head.”

“The world is flat.”

Etc.

People truly believed these things at one point or another.

When new evidence came around, we learned the truth. There are many things we don’t know yet and there will be many things we learn in the future. To assume this disease (or anything, for that matter) is not real because we don’t currently have a scientific explanation for it is beyond arrogant. How can we possibly assume we already know everything there is to know? We do not.

If we truly care about our fellow human beings, we will put our egos aside and help them. Period. You would think we would have learned from our history that we should be a bit more open-minded.

]]> By: lp http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20069 lp Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:55:47 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20069 thanks ,, it has been a tough time as you guys know yourselves and I think you are doing right on keeping up also, and to you Michael ,i didn't mention you before but was thanking you also..Also when you mention the Morgellons movement ,and it is exactly that ,this will blow up more over the years on internet if proper tv shows do the stun factor on this.. I also emailed inside edition when they did there bit on it the other week to tell them they should of did more research on this before airing and just not go for shock factor as well as the other shows that have done this.. I was thinking of emailing Dr. Phil to see if can do a proper set on this. But I think the best show yet was the one I mentioned trouble in mind was the eyeopener one for me and how it really hit me after seeing someone else going through it thinking the wrong things are wrong and a little chemical imbalance can set things the wrong way, but truly curable in a very short time ,instead of suffering months and years the other way.I have kept notes to myself on this journey and might blog it one day ,but I am waiting for everything return normal before doing. My wife has applied for a couple of jobs this week and you do not know how excited I am and planning on going to a party next week (this was not in picture the past year). Hope is there if you can understand how a chemical imbalance can cause such a disastrous problem in mind.. Myself i went to therapy sessions ,because I thought it was me not understanding and he did help ,but I do regret not acting faster . I 'll be here... thanks ,, it has been a tough time as you guys know yourselves and I think you are doing right on keeping up also, and to you Michael ,i didn’t mention you before but was thanking you also..Also when you mention the Morgellons movement ,and it is exactly that ,this will blow up more over the years on internet if proper tv shows do the stun factor on this.. I also emailed inside edition when they did there bit on it the other week to tell them they should of did more research on this before airing and just not go for shock factor as well as the other shows that have done this.. I was thinking of emailing Dr. Phil to see if can do a proper set on this.

But I think the best show yet was the one I mentioned trouble in mind was the eyeopener one for me and how it really hit me after seeing someone else going through it thinking the wrong things are wrong and a little chemical imbalance can set things the wrong way, but truly curable in a very short time ,instead of suffering months and years the other way.I have kept notes to myself on this journey and might blog it one day ,but I am waiting for everything return normal before doing.

My wife has applied for a couple of jobs this week and you do not know how excited I am and planning on going to a party next week (this was not in picture the past year). Hope is there if you can understand how a chemical imbalance can cause such a disastrous problem in mind.. Myself i went to therapy sessions ,because I thought it was me not understanding and he did help ,but I do regret not acting faster . I ‘ll be here…

]]> By: Smileykins http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20043 Smileykins Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:35:28 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20043 lp! That isn't a rant, that's a testimonial. What a man, what a mighty good man. God bless your family, and I pray that someday, soon, your in-laws will be able to develop an understanding of the situation. lp! That isn’t a rant, that’s a testimonial. What a man, what a mighty good man. God bless your family, and I pray that someday, soon, your in-laws will be able to develop an understanding of the situation.

]]> By: Michael http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20042 Michael Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:01:05 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20042 LP, thank you for sharing your story. I think it's very important. Many people such as you wife have been harmed by the Morgellons movement, and that's really what this site is about - trying to give a broader perspective to the whole set of problems. Your advice is great. People need to work with their doctors, and understand that it might take some time to get to the bottom of what is going on, and to find out what treatment works best for their individual problems. Self-diagnosis via the internet is hardly ever going to help. I'm glad your situation is continuing to improve, and hope it stays that way. LP, thank you for sharing your story. I think it’s very important. Many people such as you wife have been harmed by the Morgellons movement, and that’s really what this site is about – trying to give a broader perspective to the whole set of problems.

Your advice is great. People need to work with their doctors, and understand that it might take some time to get to the bottom of what is going on, and to find out what treatment works best for their individual problems. Self-diagnosis via the internet is hardly ever going to help.

I’m glad your situation is continuing to improve, and hope it stays that way.

]]> By: lp http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20041 lp Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:39:38 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20041 I did register on site, and was posting about condition to find out, first post was referral to that dr. for consult, by phone even, must be good if she can give out diagnosis by phone, but that is what these people want, not what their own dr. is trying to do.. She still thinks there is something there and dr. is going at it slowly to dismiss anything else but the change was with the med. ziprasidone.. When I talked with him last I saw a show called Trouble in Mind, hosted by Kate Jackson and there is a 13 part series. I just caught the last 20 minutes of it and it was exactly what people are going through and soon as you are on the antipsychotic med. it slowly disappears and that is exactly what has happened with my wife. I was unable to find that particular series in our library but they do have it, this is the one on delusional, it is a must see for anyone... Our family couldn't take it anymore and my wife was willing to try anything as she was given that med back last summer but denied having mental health problem ,so somehow he talked her into taking that med and there was a difference within 2 days and has been getting better ever since ,, this was middle of this jan. She is looking to get job again after losing hers last sept. .. also with that site after she took med and was getting better, I removed my posts by saying: we went in a different direction and getting proper help now.. I tell ya, this put our family through h#$@ and back and do not wish it on anyone , I was ready to take kids out of house and just leave, it got so bad, My friends were starting to plan on making meals for us as I was doing everything and to give me a break. My relations with inlaws is not 100 percent now as they could not see the real problem and would sidetrack progress and did originally tell her about the morgellons. Myself I had already read up on it but could not see it being real and did not see anything coming out as with dr. He would say show me and she couldn't but she had bags of fibers to bring in.. Anyways our life is getting back to better than normal now ,slowly but surely. She is the one that wanted to go back to work even and is going out everyday now .. Before this med, her life was consumed by this, never went out, looked aged, lost friends, job, you name it. This site is the best to read, and I am with you guys completely and will be here often.. Others that think they have it, unless your dr. has diagnosed you as having morgellons, don't follow the others advice and stick with your own dr. It may be slow but they are doing it in a manner to really not upset you and go off deep end (as you might say). I know, my wife was almost committed several times and it was at that point if she didn't continue with this med, I would of agreed with the dr. this time and would have had no choice. Sorry needed to rant a bit as it feels good to get it out .. With Ya.................... I did register on site, and was posting about condition to find out, first post was referral to that dr. for consult, by phone even, must be good if she can give out diagnosis by phone, but that is what these people want, not what their own dr. is trying to do.. She still thinks there is something there and dr. is going at it slowly to dismiss anything else but the change was with the med. ziprasidone..

When I talked with him last I saw a show called Trouble in Mind, hosted by Kate Jackson and there is a 13 part series. I just caught the last 20 minutes of it and it was exactly what people are going through and soon as you are on the antipsychotic med. it slowly disappears and that is exactly what has happened with my wife. I was unable to find that particular series in our library but they do have it, this is the one on delusional, it is a must see for anyone…

Our family couldn’t take it anymore and my wife was willing to try anything as she was given that med back last summer but denied having mental health problem ,so somehow he talked her into taking that med and there was a difference within 2 days and has been getting better ever since ,, this was middle of this jan. She is looking to get job again after losing hers last sept. .. also with that site after she took med and was getting better, I removed my posts by saying: we went in a different direction and getting proper help now..

I tell ya, this put our family through h#$@ and back and do not wish it on anyone , I was ready to take kids out of house and just leave, it got so bad, My friends were starting to plan on making meals for us as I was doing everything and to give me a break. My relations with inlaws is not 100 percent now as they could not see the real problem and would sidetrack progress and did originally tell her about the morgellons. Myself I had already read up on it but could not see it being real and did not see anything coming out as with dr. He would say show me and she couldn’t but she had bags of fibers to bring in..

Anyways our life is getting back to better than normal now ,slowly but surely. She is the one that wanted to go back to work even and is going out everyday now .. Before this med, her life was consumed by this, never went out, looked aged, lost friends, job, you name it. This site is the best to read, and I am with you guys completely and will be here often.. Others that think they have it, unless your dr. has diagnosed you as having morgellons, don’t follow the others advice and stick with your own dr. It may be slow but they are doing it in a manner to really not upset you and go off deep end (as you might say). I know, my wife was almost committed several times and it was at that point if she didn’t continue with this med, I would of agreed with the dr. this time and would have had no choice. Sorry needed to rant a bit as it feels good to get it out .. With Ya………………..

]]> By: Smileykins http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20016 Smileykins Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:34:13 +0000 http://morgellonswatch.com/2007/11/18/dismissed-as-psychological/#comment-20016 lp, your wife is so blessed to have you. Practically no one from outside of the "morgellons disease" subculture can post comments on their message boards. I think the article in the link below is similar to this patient movement. excerpt: <blockquote>he met more and more people like himself, he grew convinced that he was part of...</blockquote> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399_pf.html lp, your wife is so blessed to have you. Practically no one from outside of the “morgellons disease” subculture can post comments on their message boards.

I think the article in the link below is similar to this patient movement.

excerpt:

he met more and more people like himself, he grew convinced that he was part of…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399_pf.html

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