Fibers in Morgellons people are often described as being “under the skin”, or “in the skin”. They are also described as “coming out of the skin” when various liquids are applied.
However, the “under the skin” usually seems to refer to being “from a lesion”, or “under a scab”. Scabs form over several days, and it’s quite possible the fibers might simply become mixed in with the normal lesion seepage, and become encased in the scab.
The skin’s integrity has been compromised – there is a hole in it, so any kind of contaminant can get in it.
Likely sources of fibers:
– airborne fibers from any number of sources
Another thing that might be mistaken for a fiber is a “vellus hair”. This is a tiny hair, less than 30 microns in diameter, found all over the body, but almost invisible to the naked eye.
If some fibers are vellus hairs, then they are already in the skin. Ingrown hairs are possible explanation.
What about the application of liquid causing the fibers to come out?
– for fibers that are nearly invisible, getting them wet can change the refractive index, causing them to be more visible.
– coating fibers or hairs with a liquid increases their effective diameter, making them more noticeable.
– application of liquid can cause “goose-bumps”, causing hairs (including vellus hairs) to stand on end, and become more noticeable. The bump in the skin may be interpreted as the fiber “pushing” itself out of the skin.
– wet skin will attract airborne fibers, which will then stick to the skin.
– applying the liquid will cause some hairs to stick to the skin, as the liquid dries they will gradually pop up, making it look like they are coming out of the skin.
– some liquids may make hairs and fibers actually less noticeable (depending on both the liquid and the fiber). Again, as the liquid dries, the hairs will become noticeable.
– some liquids contain salts. As they dry, they deposit the salts on the surface of vellus hairs, leading to increased visibility.
There are no lesions on my skin but fibes appear when I apply an astringent. This implies that they are squeezed from below my skin. They DO NOT come from the environment around the skin.
Do they look anything like the sebum plugs? See the teatree article.
They look nothing like sebum plugs. They look like short black fibres
Got any photos?
I would be interested in seeing photos also. Short black fibers sounds like possible exposure to a sooty type environment. Have you examined that prospect? Astringent is only a surfactant cleanser to finish up with, sometimes, after regular skin cleansing, so I don’t understand what the implication of squeezing from below your skin means. If you have no lesions, and are able to use an astringent, could you describe what symptoms you have?
Do you have a rash, or any macules, papules, nodules, vesicles, bulla, pustules, cysts, plaque, wheals, scales, ulcers, crusts, erosions, excoriations, lichenifications, atrophy, or scars from this condition…or just a heightened awareness of the fact that you have fibers when you glide over your skin with an astringent?
Moving on to something else now:
Persons with contact dermatitis can get a very itchy rash from head to toe, or in a confined area. The itching leads to scratching, which often leads to simultaneous infections. Can not treating the conditions in the correct manner exacerbate them?
Well, no, not in the case of morgellons sufferers. They’re unique from the rest of us. If some of them come into contact with a substance that causes a reaction, a large portion of them describe it as their morgies reacting to it angrily. Many, then, attempt to kill the buggers with various methods.
Ignorant of immune processes, ignorant of personal health conditions that some have openly mentioned on message boards (and quite a few are open with telling what prescriptions they take for their specific health conditions, and, yet, they’re making zero connections), they’re blatantly open in proving their wish to remain ignorant, despite it all.
That is so paramount to the problem. Is a habitual cycle of researching things they haven’t a clue as to what they’re reading, as a “citizen scientist”, conducive to the health of the individual? They refer to that, though, as a united fight for their cause.
An allergy is a misguided reaction by the immune system in response to bodily contact with certain foreign substances. It is misguided because these foreign substances are usually harmless and remain so to non-allergic people. Allergy-producing substances are called “allergens.” Examples of allergens include pollens, dust mite, molds, danders, and foods. To understand the language of allergy it is important to remember that allergens are substances that are foreign to the body and can cause an allergic reaction in certain people.
Mayo Clinic researchers patch tested more than 1,500 patients with a series of up to 73 allergens in their study. The top 10 culprits:
-Nickel (nickel sulfate hexahydrate). A metal frequently encountered in jewelry and clasps or buttons on clothing.
-Gold (gold sodium thiosulfate). A precious metal often found in jewelry.
-Balsam of Peru (myroxylon pereirae). A fragrance used in perfumes and skin lotions, derived from tree resin.
-Thimerosal. A mercury compound used in local antiseptics and in as a preservative in some vaccines.
-Neomycin sulfate. A topical antibiotic common in first aid creams and ointments, also found occasionally in cosmetics, deodorant, soap, and pet food
-Fragrance mix. A group of the eight most common fragrance allergens found in foods, cosmetic products, insecticides, antiseptics, soaps, perfumes, and dental products.
*Formaldehyde. A preservative with multiple uses. It’s found in paper products, paints, medications, household cleaners, cosmetic products, and fabric finishes.
Please read http://tinyurl.com/q98vx
-Cobalt chloride. Metal found in medical products; hair dye; antiperspirant; objects plated in metal such as snaps, buttons or tools; and in cobalt blue pigment.
-Bacitracin. A topical antibiotic.
-Quaternium 15. A preservative found in cosmetic products such as self-tanners, shampoo, nail polish, and sunscreen or in industrial products such as polishes, paints, and waxes.
I highly recommend anyone wishing to understand their skin problems to avail themselves in reading the pdf link
provided in the topic entitled, “Causes of Itching”.
The application of topical creams sometimes loosens sebum plugs, allowing infectious liquids that are pooled beneanth the epideris to extrude through the pores. This gives the material a hair-like shape. These quickly dry into semi-transparent hair-like fibers. Sometimes the end of the fiber will still be attached to the sebum plug. It’s likely that these hair-like fibers are also charged statically as they jettison through the skin, acounting for their seemingly strange movements.
has anybody considered the possibility that this is just a parasitic plant? using humans as a host, maybe by spores entering the pores.
Almost 2 years ago I cut my finger with glass, the glass is still coming out in my hand and arm, the doctors do not belive this is possible, now my arms and back have these deep sores that itch, sting, burn and feel ike thing crawling under my skin. Little fibers come out from around the edge of the open sore. I need help, but so far the doctors do not know how to treat it. I think when I cut my finger this caused the sores on my back & upper arms. It hurst so bad at times it is hard to do my work, It is hard to sleep at night with this problem. I need help.
Doris, I’m not a doctor, but it’s unlikely the original cut led to your present problems. Try not to scratch, as that will always make it worse. Work with your doctor to control the symptoms and try to find a cure. It might take a long time, but working with your doctors is the best approach.
This all started for me when I cut my hand with glass.
may father has been struggling with this type of thing for the past 15+ years. He went to the Mayo clinic for help, multiple times years ago, went to the top dermatologist in Houston, tx, went to some clinic in Mexico, all years ago, and everyone told him he was crazy. After all of the let down of getting no help from the medical proffession he decided to try to treat it himself. So after years of trial and error, he has come up with what he calls keeping it under control. He literally scrubs the areas of sores with clorox bleach daily. When he feels like it is starting to get bad again, he uses the powder form, and says that it helps keep it from crawling so much. He looks like he always has white powder on his skin, and he smells like bleach, but if thats what it takes to feel somewhat normal again, than who cares.
Is that why they took some of these “fibers” and ran them through an FBI Electron Mass Spectrometer and there was not a single match to any of them when they were compared to over 100,000 different fibers in the database?
Seems awful suspect to me that the FBI database couldn’t find a single match…
It was one fiber, at the Tulsa City Police Lab, and the FBI does not have a “Fiber database” with 100,000 fibers. The most up yp date fiber database has 1,800 samples, and took two years to assemble:
The “no-match” would have been in an FTIR database of substances, and there are 20,000,000 chemical compounds, and billions of mixtures of those compounds, so it’s not surprising that often a match will not be found. Also, new fibers are being created all the time which are not in any database.
What then am I supposed to do? I’ve done the permethrn deal. Morgallons does seem to have all the symtoms, but is it correct? I know I’m not delusional. I have some sort of skin disorder, and my dermatologist says it’s the 6 inches between my ears. Believe me at my age this not what I want. I’m on medicaid so you know I don’t have $$$$ to treat a disease that isn’t. What is it then?
Chris, since you’ve brought it up, will you explain how you know that you aren’t delusional, please?
speaking of delusional did anyone notice that the cdc removed the diagnosis delusional parasites They found that doctors were using it incorrectly. It was a diagnosis for drug users who felt things crawing on skin. They did a trial and found 96 % of people with that diagnosis had something when a skin scraping was done. Its now called unexplained dermatology. Maybe doctors need to try to help people and If they don’t know then either do more testing to find and/or rule out the problem. If they’re not wanting to do this then refer them. I think they don’t want to find the answer to some disease that they don’t know how to treat. It might take some research(education) and to many drs are only into $ instead of the quality of treatment. If this is the case they need to be reported because to many people are really suffering. If your a dr and not willing to find out what is causing certain conditions then please get out instead of causing more grief to people. Isn’t their some ethics they need to be held responsible to? Remember your not god.
There is some research being done into the cross species and gene splicing within Morgellons. Different varieties exist. some are mold like, some plant/insect like etc. I have an acquaintance who literally watches here extracted fibers GROW in distilled water over a period of time. she suspects bryozoan colonies (think mollusks, etc which build calcified homes for themselves) perhaps the glass like pain is a real calcification growing inside. I also found that folks who handle these bryozoans use colloidal COPPER as a protectant on their hands I believe. Think about things that grow on hulls of ships. they treat the hulls w/ a copper solution. Thanks. KATA