Psychological Implications in Morgellons Disease, Part II: Factitious Disorders

Sarah Bione-Dunn

In Sickened, a memoir of Münchhausen syndrome by proxy by Julie Gregory, Dr. Marc Feldman writes: “Münchhausen by proxy may be the single most complex– and lethal– form of maltreatment known today. It is formally defined as the falsification or induction of physical and/or emotional illness by a caretaker of a dependent person. In most cases, the perpetrator is a mother and the victim is her own child.”

Factitious disorders such as Münchhausen syndrome (MS) and Münchhausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP) may be factors for some cases of Morgellons disease. Symptoms of factitious disorders include intentional production or feigning of physical signs or symptoms, and physical symptoms motivated by a desire to assume the sick role (DSM-IV-TR). Depression, need for a sense of community, and unsupportive parental relationships are suggested causes of MS/MSBP, though the precise cause of factitious disorders are not understood (Ozden & Canat, 1999).

Many Morgellons sufferers and MS/MSBP sufferers have behaviors in common. MS/MSBP sufferers research their supposed ailments and are knowledgeable about medicine (Miner & Feldman, 1998). People with MS/MSBP eagerly undergo or offer to partake in painful testing or treatment (Stern & Cremens, 1998), as do Morgellons sufferers. Both conditions continually reject known explanations for their health; Morgellons sufferers notably reject diagnoses such as eczema, environmental factors, poor nutrition, side effects from medication, side effects from illegal substances, etc. as the agents of their illness. The two conditions also share negative attitudes toward the medical community, strong aversion to mental health, and doctor-shopping behaviors for someone to find something– anything– wrong with them.

Communication on an internet message board is indirect and impersonal. Lymebuster’s policy of banning anyone who questions another’s health, symptoms, or motivations, makes it a dangerous breeding ground for the few who suffer from MS/MSBP. Having MS/MSBP may not have been why they began to seek Morgellons as a new disease to fabricate, but because of the isolated, “no one allowed who doesn’t agree” attitude, it is a safe haven for people to continue in their deviance. MS/MSBP sufferers and perpetrators can then join the media pressure and participate in a “mysterious, emerging disease” to satisfy their psychological issues, as they already feel on the fringe from their continual rejection by physicians.

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587 Responses to “Factitious Disorders”

  1. Wow look ma -

    Mrs. Texas Rose, DOP, DSM-IV-TR, MS, MSBP

    I got a degree from the University of Morgellons Watch!!

    WOOHOO WILL BE ROLLING IN THE MONEY NOW – NOT :-)

  2. sarahbionedunn,

    Excellent post. I read the excert from the book entitled, “Sickened”, buy Julie Gregory. Excellent reading! I also checked out some of the links concerning MS and MSBP. Thank you for the this post, and your prior, Part 1 post.

    Tall Cotton

  3. Although some mental disorders are glaringly obvious, and can be accurately diagnosed solely by reading what an individual writes, it’s harder with Factitious Disorders. Who is really sick? Who just thinks they are sick? And who is deliberately faking it? Hard to tell. I imagine there are some in each catagory.

    Tall Cotton

  4. Sarah,

    I’m sorry, although I just love TC and admire his sagacious mental acumen, he seems to either be a lil dense today or perhaps experiencing on OCD titled Obsessive Inclination to Ban the word “Morgellons.” (kidding w/ ya TC)

    But your article really makes me sick. I have to get off the computer (sharing it) but I will nevertheless come back on later this evening to prove you wrong.

    Who paid you to write that, The USDA or Lucent Technologies?

    London

  5. I’m so glad you’re here, and part of the team, Sarah. I’m going to anger people, but I feel compelled to pose something for morgie people (and for people in their lives), to consider, but only if anyone is able to. If you haven’t already, think back to before being stricken, with whatever caused you to think that what you have is some devastatingly mysterious new disease. Think back to whether you knew yourselves, fully, before that time, or whether you were someone who never had the chance to, always doing what you thought was right, for others, rather than yourselves.

    Were you a free-thinking person, making your own decisions, come what may, or did you have to put things on a shelf, and try to go with the flow, careful not to make waves? Were you your own best friend, or did you feel you had to deny yourself, just to try fitting in where you really didn’t even want to be, most of the time, in the first place? Maybe you have always been dependent on somebody else. That seems to be an excellent way of not knowing who you are, also.

    It seems as though maybe too many people haven’t known themselves, but, it may only come across that way to me, and just really be something that’s only come about for people “since” becoming ill. I don’t know. Like I said, this is only something for self-reflection. I don’t know anybody, and I haven’t a clue what everybody’s symptoms look like, or how much, or how little, they limit them. All that I know about anyone claiming to have this, is based solely from on line communication. Some emails, that I used to be surprised to get, were about other things besides “morgellons disease”, and they were all so much alike, it was uncanny. Latching onto this “morgellons” thing, so readily, and so easily, without question, makes me wonder how it came about for everyone.

    I know that feeling, firsthand, of seeing, and experiencing, rare things, and I know that it throws a lot of people into a state of alarm. Bonding with other people in the same state, just defies all matter of reason, to me. Anyone that’s begging and pleading for help shouldm’t surround themselves with the same type. When you want help, you get it, and you don’t defend the cause of your sufferings and want to stay there. I know a common thing I’ve seen is, “I want my life back”. I’m sorry, but anybody that’s crying that out to the world needs counselling.

  6. Let’s not let anyone know how much we are being paid by Lucent and Monsanto. We have to “debunk” this story.

    You see, the fibres are evidence of an agent, an organism which was the original inhabitant of this planet. It is a worm, very advanced and heavily engineered. At one time, it only lived in necrotic (dead) tissue, but now infects the living.

    It was never supposed to be released. You see, the organism is hideous and almost impossible to iradicate, but it isn’t finished yet. The perfected specimen is a much more aggressive and faster replicating organism. When perfected, it’s military application was to be “dust and clear”. Urban, rural or any terrain can be sprayed with this specimen. The resultant plague evidences populations of raving, worm infested and violent persons. This is Dawn of the Dead stuff, people.

    CDC is calling the outbreaks from the lesser variants DOP because of DOD and NSA pressure.

    The codename of the true Morgellons to come: Wormwood…the scourge before the Apocalypse.

  7. Thank you, Smokingman. So that’s what the whole is, then, and it didn’t all start with Mary Leitao and her son, Drew? What else have the voices told you, that we all need to know?

  8. Ya got me so shook up, Smokingman, that I left out the word, “thing”. That’s what the whole thing is?

  9. Dr. Morgellonstein, you jest, yet sadly you might be believed by people who have difficultly understanding exactly what you are saying.

    Even sadder, people who DO understand it, also might believe.

  10. I believe sumfin, for shore.

  11. WHO PAID YOU TO WRITE THAT, THE USDA OR LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES?
    LONDON asked.

    how about the american pesticide applicators’ association?

  12. meet sarah bione the expert authority

    http://www.psichi.org/pubs/articles/article_539.asp

    [Edited by Michael: replaced copy of article with link to original]

  13. London,

    I wouldn’t dare attempt to ban the word, Morgellons. That word is going down in history, just not the way that Morgies think it will. The word, Morgellons, is already strongly associated with mental disorders, and by them it will always be known.

    Tall Cotton

  14. Will I not get paid anymore, if I stop saying what I believe on this forum?
    I think morgie people need to come over to this side, and join up, if they’re not being paid to believe in “morgellons disease”.

  15. Here’s quite long account of MBP by the author of sickened

    http://www.mbpeducate.com/mystory/index.html

  16. Morgellons is a crime. But the crime is not the loosing of a pathogen from a bio-containment meltdown. Nor is it the deliberate release of a transgenetic organism from the basement laboratory of some mad scientist. It’s not a crime perpretrated by the USDA or one of the many pharmacheutical companies. The crime is a mother’s delusions, now shared by many others. They’ve all been told, and shown with great patience, that Morgellons, the disease, does not exist, and has never existed. Yet they continue to spread hysteria among vulnerable people. It could have begun as a mistake, but it has been carried beyond all reason, and its inventor can surely see her error. Her pride, and her madness, has kept the lie alive, until it has developed a life of it own. Morgellons is a lie, and a crime against us all.

  17. Here is the thing that gets me, more than anything, and just irks me to no end!!! So many people fell into this “myth of morgellons disease”, not looking into the woman behind the lie, whatsoever. It was completely immaterial to them, and not only the LAST thing on their minds, but they STILL don’t see it, or even CARE. As consumed as the people who think they have “morgellons disease” are, and were, just to have someone say that they believed them, was, and is, all that matters. They’re upholding a SICKO, too sick themselves, to know any better, and many of the mothers on LB message board are doing the same to their precious children!!!

  18. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BamzgMCrMaU&mode=related&search=

    looks like motion from the air…

    if this is “proof” I’ll just keep believing this is just crap

  19. Gee, thanks. I went to that link and I couldn’t stomach viewing that self-inflicted arm & hand damage through the entirety of that particular video. Damn. The pictures I have seen of some morgie people’s skin (and I have a very strong stomach, too), it is no wonder mostly all we see are their “specimens”. That’s a cutter, apparently, as well as a caustic fluid user, and an excoriator. Dear Lord.

  20. The song, “I Did A Bad, Bad, Thing” is playing in the background on that video!!! That person is in such serious need of such really serious help.

  21. Smokingman,

    You know what? I do indeed believe 1/2 of what you said! But a lot of these worms are from photonic fussion!

    Damn, the Gov’t has already given me and everyone else who has ever used a cell phone, second-hand microwave radiation burns.

    But your part saying you are here to debunk Morgellons- hell, I don’t care. I don’t care what the hell they call it. But I do know that we have something in us that is not natural.

    Could you please, please, please put more acid in this second batch? If not the real stuff, go heavy handed in pouring the Jasmonic acid, okay?

    You’re the man that wrote on biology-online one time not too long ago, are you not? Talking about Jet Fuel mixtures. Well, I know you were not lying b/c I found the article for it. Yep, I did.
    Man, from the traffic signal lighting to sonar to Nasa…Oh, yes, you indeed are right about that. Hey, just remember the ACID! ( I will take some now if you have any to spare..)
    _________________________________________

    Texas Star,

    You are right! But there is a helluva lot more to it than that….but instead of us saying it all started out w/ a boy name Drew, you and I could say “It all started out w/ a GM plant with Bt…..
    Then, of course that led to other things, the worst being the synthetic insects they have made and released that they say was done to wipe out the big ones- i,e., Malaria, Dengue, West Nile, etc., While that may true,
    Duh…would’nt you know that the A-holes first have to
    put the disease back out there.

    Have people not noticed the rise in west nile, Dengue, etc.,? Now I wonder why? HUH????

    Now how are the biotech A-hole getting away with this? Simple, the language and it’s loopholes. Vernacular Rapist…I hate you biotech idiots. You have screwed up the friggin world. Now, I would love to know why you have released the transgenic insects that are insectiside resistant?
    Yeah, You stupid USDA, I have chemical poisioning because of the shit in your stupid gm plants. Your brocoli has more chemicals than 5 gallons of paint!

    Whats Bush gonna do when Janna gets this?
    ______________________________________________

    Morgellons,

    Yesterday you told me to read twice and post once., and I do read quite a bit, in fact, I re-read that article I posted the hyperlink to yesterday and am even more convinced since subsquently reading a few others as well.
    Now, this was from that hyperlink that you posted above:

    Today she waits in a cardiologist’s office for someone to unpeel the electrical contraption she’s worn stuck to her chest for the last 24 hours.

    ********************Let me be frank here, I will quote Neil Young, “It’s A Free World” and if our disease has a god-damn thing to do with barcodes being placed in us, then this is a F-up world. Hell, Id rather have Leishmaniasis. I KNOW ALL ABOUT YOUR LIL CRAPPY-ARSE WAFER…YOU ARE NOT GETTING A BAR CODE IN ME, GOT IT?

    And hell no I don’t think Mary and her foundation did what all the (few) internet stories said she did. Now this I dunno, but just putting the word out there. I will find out though, just like I found out the vector in our disease (the physical part of it)

    And Texas Star, Sean, MAFer, the reason they say were delusional is because if we do not kick this, it will turn into dementia…..

    (take note Sara “Bio-sphere” Dunn)aLL THESE INSECTS AND THEIR DISEASES IS CALLED: POLYDNA VIRUS it’s called multifocal Leukencephalopathy! It’s like a mad-cow disease….and some of us will get Borna Disease Virus or
    (BVD).
    Now, we can’t really blame it on people who make fun of our Bell Lab Made Plague, but we sure the hell can file some Law-Suits!

    For the hundreth time, look at the American Gov’ts Science organization, titled the National Science Foundations website….there you will find it…Dammit

    THEY CALL IT THE FIBR PROJECTS (NOTICE THE SPELLING?)
    GO AND CHECK IT OUT, PLEASE….

    So let’s see…..that’s Bell Labs, the USDA. the DOE and
    the NSF. whew, some big-boys huh? Well you suck rocks and can kiss my arse!

    You think this is a bad post? Haha, this is the tip of an iceburg that eventually will melt in Stillwater Oklahoma. Now, I’m gonna shut- up but I am in need of some type of Panacea…and well, you know my web-address and hell, prpbably everything else about me since you put those friggin fibers in me.

    Hey, ya’ll usually measure the chemical contents of food with that, right?

    Listen, I said I can shut up but you all have to meet me 1/2 way. do something on the dark side and well, it will stay dark.

    Remember Neil….It’s a Free World……and hey, when is the new spanish bird flue gonna hit the streets? HUH?

    Sincerely,

    Your lil cinnamin girl…..

  22. oh, meant to tell you up there, that I was not being “Facetious”!

    Now look here…..and PS: And Sorry KC, I am but i HAVE LOST FAITH IN HIM AND REALLY THINK HE IS A CRIMINAL!

    LOOK WHAT’S GOING ON IN OKLAHOMA…..

    More OSU students being vaccinated for meningitis

    http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=5343258

    [Edited by Michael: Replaced copied text with link to original]

  23. Michael,

    Sorry about the ads in the above Oklahoma post.
    ______________________________________

    Dear Mystery Man that’s working on getting me some hallucinagens,

    I know about the fuel you spoke of and the pentane extraction of diesel oil…..and the chlamydias too.

    Do you want me to tell everyone about the ibuprofran from the wastewater or shall I.??? Please reply if you’re not in the lab w/Tam Tam or Cliff.
    __________________________________________

    Dear Texas Star, could you please write to skytroll or Michael and ask for my email? That would be great.

    Dear Texas Rose,
    A couple of weeks ago you posted a photo ( I think it was you) of a guy riding a carousel I believe? Can you explain? Was this the “Pete”? hahahahahaha don’t even think I don;t know dammit, don;t even. I just can’t figure out if you’re in it w/ them or they have the
    wool pulled over your eyes. I’m not being pissy w/you either- I care.

    To anyone else that wants to debunk me, I’d think twice before going there. I’m volatile! (sp?), very.

    Cinnamin Girl….

    PS: Where’s my buddy Hugh R. Delusional, Hugh are…?

  24. Great, now this has turned into a government conspiracy. Let me guess, it is all Bush’s fault. Now I will drop some acid, smoke some dust, drink some absineth, and read again. I am looking at one hell of a good time. Thanks there Mr. Marlboro man.

  25. It is not specifically a government operation. The worm itself is the first successful animal/plant hybrid. Long-term infestation turns the human subject into a walking compost heap. The fibers are an end product of sloughing, the black specks are waste matter from the adult stage of the worm. Transmission is through touch, or contact with infected surfaces.

    It is not Nosema Locustae but produces similar structures. There is no cure. Infection with Lyme Disease produces an ideal environment for this organism to reproduce. Similar to retroviruses, it seems to be able to morph and/or hide itself while releasing protiens which confuse t-cells.

    Keep searching for the origin of this bug. First hint: the “silent superbug site” is a distraction.

    The truth is out there.

  26. Hey London

    No it wasn’t me about a guy riding a carousel, sorry. Just who am I suppose to be “in it w/them”? Sorry, you lost me here. But I will tell you that “morgellons” is real. Is it something new? who knows yet. Is it something that has mutated? who knows. But something is going on with these people and I am for people trying to come together and find a cure. But on the flip side – I am blasting the MRF and MaryL for the injustice of the donation funds to the MRF. So you can say I’m not with them :-) Am I with Michael – don’t think so because heck I don’t know if it’s a guy or gal? I need to at least know if I should say Mr. or Mrs. to show respect to my elders :-)

    Now just to make a statement here – Texan’s can talk all we want about a “fellow” texan – it’s just a texas rule that we have OK. Mr. Bush is an idiot!!!! He was our governor before he was ya’ll president. So I wouldn’t put it past the jerk to know of what morgellons really is. End of statement :-)

    Now before I go – I hope EVERYBODY HAS A GREAT WEEK-END. Take some down TIME and I will see everybody Monday.
    Dr. Michael can I add MBP to my degree or do I already have take those courses? LOLOLOL

    Cheers Ya’ll

  27. tallrotton,

    basement labs? well i guess you would know about such.

    loonydon:

    The guy on the horse had on a tin foil hat. who is pete? i thought it was cliff. Yes, I know and know and know. But you can’t tell people everything. They have to find some of this out for themselves or they will not believe. it seems like mrs.rosie has her own personal agenda but the score is forty luv and she ain’t serving.

    I don’t need your email address. i already got my own.

  28. I find this statement quite amusing from the above referenced paper:
    “A condition called Delusory Parasitosis (DP) is a false, unshakable belief that tiny organisms are living in or on the skin or inside the body (Hinkle, 2000)”

    Guess what? There are tiny organisms living on AND in every person, animal and plant on this planet. So are you delusional because you believe they are NOT there? They’re all over everyone’s skin, GI tract, etc. As a person with biology classes, don’t you know that?

    Oh and I was a member of psi chi also. University of Tulsa class of 1998.

  29. TexasRose,
    Michael is a Mr. 2nd, you have too much texaspete in your bloody mary this morning to say that morgellons is real. Symptoms of Morgellons are real, the disease itself is not. I am not saying you have DOP, I am saying you must look to other diagnosis. Everyone on this blog should come to the one conclusion, Mary L gave a name to number of circumstances, she did not discover a new disease. The sooner people come to this conclusion, the better. Morgies are going to keep being treated like crazy’s, if they keep telling doctors they have Morgellons. Please, let the doctors do the diagnosing. Listen to them for advice. There are some people on this blog that have taken that approach with success. For those of you that believe that some doctors have diagnosed people with morgellons, wake up. How can you be diagnosed with a disease that is not recgnized.

  30. Hi Jace, I’m glad to see you are still around.

    But there’s no need to be pedantic here. That kind of abuse of language contributes to the problem. It was not an academic paper, it was an entertaining and educational article about an interesting career choice. You know the meaning that was intended, so why twist it?

    Suppose it said:

    “A condition called Delusions of Persecution (DP) is a false, unshakable belief that people are following you and observing your movements”

    Guess what? People are followed every day. On your way to work, the driver in the car behind you follows you, and observes your movements.

    That’s literally true, but obviously not what was intended.

    Normally I don’t reciprocate pedantry, but your argument is supplying ammunition for those who say that Delusional Parasitosis does not exist. I do not think that was your intent.

  31. Actually I didn’t make that statement to be pedantic, and of course I didn’t mean to imply that delusional parasitosis does not exist. Actually my thinking is that there is a possibility that by making people (DOP, morgellons, or whatever) realize that there ARE germs in, on and around you every day no matter what you do to get rid of them, they might not get so worked up. There are many people who just don’t know the beneficial and even necessary processes that bacteria accomplish within our body (gut especially). I have a friend who can’t look at any SEM’s of dust mites, but they’re everywhere, and they’re harmless. I just thought that maybe if some of the people knew that it’s completely normal for things to be on you at all time, they might not be so panicked about the creepy crawly feelings. I realize it wasn’t written in the tone I meant for it to have, and I’m sorry about that. I just thought it was an educational opportunity that shouldn’t be passed up.

  32. Ah, well in that case I retract my frowny tone.

    Education about the skin’s fauna is probably a good thing, although some people might get a bit too much of it. Just looking at the following link makes me itch:

    http://images.google.com/images?q=scabies+mite

  33. Texas tar,

    You’ve been guessing all along, and guessing wrong, I might add.

    Jace,

    Yes, that’s rather amusing, but I think you know that she wasn’t referring to our natural flora.

    Texas Rose,

    Yes, something is going on, but Morgellons is nothing new, and it’s not a disease.

    Tall Cotton

  34. Some Morgellons believers (including some posting above) seem to feel they are being persecuted in some way. It’s educational to get some perspective on the workings of this mindset. Here’s a look into the mind of someone who has taken this kind of belief one step beyond:

    http://www.gangstalking.ca/

  35. London,

    If I was getting paid by someone, I reckon they’d at least give me health benefits, don’t you think? Or, I wouldn’t be living in a glorified closet with a bathroom here, at least. :)

    SBD

  36. Smoking man says:

    “You see, the fibres are evidence of an agent, an organism which was the original inhabitant of this planet…..It was never supposed to be released.”

    If it was the original inhabitant of our planet, how could it NOT be released? It was always here… did people run around and scoop every single one up into a test tube? That just doesn’t make sense.

    ” It is a worm, very advanced and heavily engineered. At one time, it only lived in necrotic (dead) tissue, but now infects the living.”

    Then it should be easily found as a pathogen and identified as the causative agent, and “Morgellons” will be a case closed. To whom have you taken this worm?

    “CDC is calling the outbreaks from the lesser variants DOP because of DOD and NSA pressure.”

    That’s a heavy accusation. What evidence do you have of this?

  37. Texas says:

    “how about the american pesticide applicators’ association? ”

    What is the website of the american pesticide applicator’s association?

  38. ” (take note Sara “Bio-sphere” Dunn)aLL THESE INSECTS AND THEIR DISEASES IS CALLED: POLYDNA VIRUS it’s called multifocal Leukencephalopathy! It’s like a mad-cow disease….and some of us will get Borna Disease Virus or
    (BVD). Now, we can’t really blame it on people who make fun of our Bell Lab Made Plague, but we sure the hell can file some Law-Suits! ”

    Most of the children I volunteer with call me Sarah “Baloney” (the correct pronunciation of my last name rhymes with Baloney,” Bee-YO-knee, get it?). You’re welcome to call me that too if you wish.

    Since you have the causative agent, and the answer to what is plaguing you, I’m sure it will be no time at all for a doctor to see that too and to verify it, so you can begin a lawsuit.

  39. Smokingman,

    “It is not specifically a government operation. The worm itself is the first successful animal/plant hybrid.”

    How is the first successful animal/plant hybrid the very first organism that lived on earth? Who made the hybrid before there were any humans?

  40. Tall says: I read the excert from the book entitled, “Sickened”, buy Julie Gregory. Excellent reading! I also checked out some of the links concerning MS and MSBP. Thank you for the this post, and your prior, Part 1 post.

    Actually, I didn’t really care for the book. I really wanted more details about her experiences. I wouldn’t recommend it, but as far as memoirs about mental health go, it was pretty good. I didn’t read more about it on that webpage Michael linked, so I’ll go do that now.

  41. London says: “But your article really makes me sick. I have to get off the computer (sharing it) but I will nevertheless come back on later this evening to prove you wrong.”

    I am always baffled by this. SOME people have MS/MSBP. Some don’t. If you’re not one of these people, this article has no application to you.

  42. I think the inability to see the variegated nature of “this” is an ironically common characteristic of believers.

  43. SeanOw2 stating the Michael is a Mr. Well that hear say – Michael need to post that “Me Mr.” sorry I don’t do hear say.

    Also please read my post again – I didn’t say “disease” did I? Nope just Morgellons which is the symptoms I was talking about.

    And to also set the Record straight – It would depend on who you ask if I have DOP. If you ask my dad – he would tell you “she wakes up to a new world everyday”. If you ask my friends, they would say “she is goofier than a road lizard”. If you ask my kids they would say “She’s a nut house”. If you ask my husband he would say “don’t even ask”. Sorry don’t have a doctor statement here because I don’t have morgellons a friend of mine does.

    Tallcotton – I said Morgellons not disease.

    TexasStar who is Mrs. Rosie? did I miss something here? But if you are talking about me – what’s my “own personal agenda” so I can be more up to speed on what I’m doing. Plus Yes I do love tennis – watching the US Open this week. Sorry, I can’t serve anymore do to a bad spine but hey got a son that love the game – hoping to join a team to the UK next summer will know if he makes the team in Janurary.

    Ok see ya’ll monday and hope ya’ll have a relaxing week-end.

  44. “If it was the original inhabitant of our planet, how could it NOT be released? It was always here… did people run around and scoop every single one up into a test tube? That just doesn’t make sense.”

    Until a few years ago, it was not on the surface. The primitive form was discovered during oil drilling operations in Kuwait.

    “Then it should be easily found as a pathogen and identified as the causative agent, and “Morgellons” will be a case closed. To whom have you taken this worm?”

    The primitive form was taken and modified. In the majority of cases, the introduction of new DNA killed the organism. However, plant DNA was successfully incorporated into the worm at Monsanto. Military applications were NOT the first option for this new bug. One of the variants produced a phenomenal insect control organism. It was tested outside Round Rock, TX (a hotspot of Morgellons) where it decimated insect populations within controlled spray areas. The organism had destroyed locusts, roaches, crickets, even mosquitos. The control areas were treated afterwards with Diazenon which did not kill off the organisms completely. Some animals were infected as well and were destroyed.

    So far, this “Wormwood” is still considered an agricultural product, but people near controlled spraying areas have been infected. Keep in mind that this is not the most aggressive specimen from Monsanto. There are up to 7 variants, of which about 4 are incredibly dangerous to humans.

    The interesting find is that DDT kills this bug. However, DDT is illegal in the US and is banned in many countries. It is still used in the Congo and a few other African nations. Repealing the ban on DDT will stop this bug in it’s tracks. Remember, DDT was used on refugees in WWII and on our own troops for delousing. It is really the only hope.

    For those of you who come here to help debunk Morgellons, think for a moment..why would anyone waste a moment of time trying to debunk something that is real? Why would they insist Morgellons is delusional when even the CDC has lots of physical samples?

    You’re crazy!
    But I’m itching and have physical scars…

    You’re crazy!
    But my doctor says something is wrong…

    You’re crazy!
    But my health is deteriorating…

    You’re crazy!
    But there are more and more people with this every day…

    The truth is out there.

  45. Smokingman said:

    why would anyone waste a moment of time trying to debunk something that is real?

    That’s an excellent point Smokingman. That’s why I always try to debunk things for which I see no evidence. If it’s real, I’d let it be.

    The symptoms are real, people really do itch, and are fatigued, and have excoriations. The fibers are real as well – real fibers from the environment, or regular body fibers (hair, veins, nerves, etc).

    However, there is no real evidence that there is a single new pathogen behind this. In fact the evidence indicates a mixed variety of physical and/or mental causes.

    Smokingman, your posts are just science fiction, unless you can indicate the evidence on which they are based. Start by backing up “But there are more and more people with this every day.” What makes you think that is true?

  46. After viewing some more videos at youtube.com, I, personally, feel closer, now, to a much worse understanding than I had previously. The former opinion that I’d had already, for so long, was not good to begin with. I see why it is defended now, and why so much is blamed on it, by some people. Well, no, it’s defended by all of those who think they have it, just for different reasons. No wonder those such types of people haven’t followed the instructions in their letters from the CDC to go to their local health care providers.

    #170 Smileykins Says:
    August 25th, 2006 at 9:43 am

    In the meantime, Jace…

    For the third time:

    Do you have any idea what the picture in this link is, with the caption, “Microscopic view of a dry, membranous-like material formed over an open skin lesion of the type associated with what a small group of people call Morgellons disease.”?

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06204/707970-85.stm

    Do you know what this same thing is, that’s pictured and described at other developmental stages of interference?

    http://www.rense.com/general72/callus.htm

    You are incredible, Jace.

  47. Round Rock, Texas is a “Morgellons” hot spot because that town is the location of Republic Broadcasting Network. This network aired a broadcast about Morgellons and has spoken about it since then also. People in that area with symptoms of other known diseases then jumped onto the Morgellons bandwagon. There’s no other reason that Round Rock is a “hot spot”.

    Tall Cotton

  48. The sad truth of the matter is, as far as I can see it, is…

    LET ‘EM GO.

    Bottom line, with people like that, ya gotta just LET ‘EM GO.

    We had mental health care reform, way back when.
    This is a result of it, for quite a few morgies.
    It’s sad, and nothing can be done.
    The internet, and Mary Leitao, has brought it out of the woodwork for us to have a bird’s eye view.
    It’s hard to handle.

  49. Smoking man says: Until a few years ago, it was not on the surface. The primitive form was discovered during oil drilling operations in Kuwait.

    What evidence do you have of this?

    “The primitive form was taken and modified.”

    By whom? And what evidence do you have of this?

    “The interesting find is that DDT kills this bug.”

    I thought you said it was a worm? And what evidence do you have of this?

    “For those of you who come here to help debunk Morgellons, think for a moment..why would anyone waste a moment of time trying to debunk something that is real? Why would they insist Morgellons is delusional when even the CDC has lots of physical samples?”

    We’re not sitting around thinking critically on, say, the common cold, for which there is a clear pathogen, symptoms, are treatment. We’re talking about something that has no found pathogen, no common symtoms, and no known treatment, but is still supposed to be “real” because someone tells me so. Evidence is necessary.

    “But I’m itching and have physical scars…”
    The process of skin healing is often very itchy. I have a very itchy (and very big and painful!) paper cut on my thumb right now, and it’s certainly not “Morgellons.” I do have some fibers in it, but they’re from my fuzzy blanket here on the chair with me.

    “But my doctor says something is wrong…”
    Something IS wrong. That doesn’t mean it’s “Morgellons.”

  50. Smiley- Am I incredible in a good way, or a bad way? Please let it be a good incredible, I’ve had a nasty week, and I really do like you and the intelligent conversations on this board. Smiley. I didn’t respond to you the last couple of times because I was gently asked to back off this site. So from now on anything that comes from me is my OPINION only. I think that’s the only way I can continue to post here. My opinion is that I don’t know. (now see, that really wasn’t worth waiting for) The ones I’ve seen in the lab are on the bottom of what the morgies call “calluses”, which to me look mostly like typical scars except for those projections on the bottom. I’m not sure what they are, but they’re not a typical scab formation. My scabs don’t anchor themselves down into deeper layers of the skin. We’ve seen these more than once, but I truly don’t know what they are.

  51. Jace,

    Smileykins knows exactly what is taking place with these atypical, excoriated wounds. She was just seeing whether or not you know what is taking place. I think you need to go back to school.

    Tall Cotton

  52. Smoking Man,

    Hey, it’s London here, I believe you and I have found out much more than I have said and I have reasons for that I guess like you do. Thanks for the heads-up on the distractor. But what he does not know is the riddles that begab nearly a year ago, actually did help me find some articles that I never would have found. Now although this led me in the wrong direction, it still wheted (sp?) my appetite to read more about stuff that I only thought could be possible in a sci-fi jetsons world.
    Conspiracy theories? Hell yeah, 75% are true. But this one beats them all.
    Lot’s of new faces in 2002, no doubt. You know, come to think of it, that’s when I////nevermind, nevermind.

    I’m thankful that the bloggers have not publically tried to trash me and so I will stop here.

    But smoking man, can we do anything to “spin this” the other way, i.e., can it be altered back or just stopped here? Is it true, the calm before the storm….if so, how long (years, months?) will this calm last?

    is it true, they hate blacks and women? Well, I know that it is, but is this why we were chosen? You know the lab then florida fiasco just blew me away? How could they not take the humidity into consideration. Hello? What dumb arse caused that and did they kill him?

    You know, when I go, I will be autopsied. They are not getting my corpse, hell no! I’m not gonna be their slave-submissive robot. F. them!

    Jace, I care, enjoy your life, get away from where you are now. Change states, go live and breath….I know that sounds weird and I’m sorry but wanted to put that out there to you.

    Texas Rose,
    Sorry, that was not you, but thanks to Texas Star saying he had a tin-hat on, I now know what He looks like.
    Some dissertation. Texas rose, they know.

    and lastly, Sarah, well I just had to w/ the name…I was just being silly and glad you did not become too upset. The surface he speaks of is proteins.

    This will be all from me since at least some of you had a heart and refrained….and Texas Star, thanks for the label, I appreciated it. I thought you’d be someone to work with to form some sort of an >nevermind, you know what I mean.

    Smokingman, don’t go away!

    Cinnamin Girl

  53. Off topic ….

    HOLY COW!!

    When I got up this morning, my dad was sitting on the porch READING THE NEWSPAPER!! I haven’t seen him pick up the paper in the three months he’s been living with me. Later on, he came in and we chatted about current events for awhile, he really has no memory of recent stuff, so he’s catching up :)

    OMG he is lucid, interesting, intelligent and fun to talk with … I have my dad back!!

    Wahooooooo!!

  54. and Michael, If I have you right, well, damn you are one smart man….

  55. Wow, Jeezelouise. That has to be such a happy, happy experience getting your dad back again.

    Jace, I’m sorry you’ve had a rough week. I’d suggested a while back thatyou & Wymore needed to think back to the basics on what you’d learned, and forgotten, about skin anatomy and functions, and wound repair processes. I’m also sorry you’ve returned, after stating you had to leave due to a conflict of interest. I really feel as though it’s in your best interest to not view anything on this blog, but, delusional states do things to the conscience. Do I think you’re purposely deluding yourself? I have no idea.

    You may have thought I’d asked you about the excoriation scab photos to get your professional opinion. I just needed to see if you had the audacity to defend people who self-mutilate, and mutilate their kids, physically, and, mentally. You did.

    Like some of the crap PhD Randy Wymore said in his letter to physicians:

    This population of patients frequently exhibit the following symptoms:

    • Distinct and poorly healing skin lesions with unusually thick, membranous scarring upon eventual healing.

    The Phd also said:

    • Moderate to extreme pruritis at sites of lesions as well as un-erupted skin.

    Below, is a very sad account of a man who dug at one spot. I know of an on line morgie person who walks with a limp, because of this, and blames it on “morgellons disease”. Seeing Mary Leitao still pulling from the sore, that she won’t allow to heal, on the bottom lip of her little boy, on national television, was digustingly despicable to bear witness to. If her child’s lip is not already paralyzed, it will be. He’ll have problems eating, and speaking, along with God only knows what else, for the rest of his life, thanks to his mother.

    http://www.hvinet.com/lizlipton/psychogenic%20excoriation.htm

    Given the severity of these complications, clinicians should treat psychogenic excoriation more seriously than other complusions,” Dr. Robinson said in an interview.

    “Most compulsions have fairly benign consequences such as chapped hands from hand washing. However, psychogenic excoriation is a syndrome that actually makes OCD a source of dangerousness to one’s self. Psychiatrists should think about involuntarily committing these patients: Even though they probably won’t die from this, it doesn’t mean they won’t be harmed and doesn’t mean they’re not putting themselves in danger.” Indeed, in a case report published in the November issue of the Southern Medical Journal and summarized below, Dr. Robinson and colleagues described a patient who picked through the muscles between his shoulder blades, and after an abcess developed, temporarily became a quadriplegic at level C7.

    One reason involuntary commitment is often necessary is that most patients deny the psychological origin of this disorder; instead, asserting their incessant scratching or picking has a physical etiology such as cancer, itching, or allergies. Some even deny they pick their skin, instead attributing their lesions to a physical disease.

    The mean age of onset of psychogenic excoriation is between 30 and 40, according to Dr. Robinson, and most patients are women. Typically, the lesions are a few millimeters long, are located in easily reachable places, and have post inflammatory hypo- and hyperpigmentation. Some are nail-shaped. Most medical complications are limited to skin lesions and secondary cutaneous infections, according to the study.

    The lesions can’t always be distinguished from lesions caused by medical problems, said Robinson. Consequently, if a psychiatrist thinks there might be an underlying organic etiology, they should refer the patient to a dermatologist. (In fact, 2% of dermatological patients have this syndrome; however, there is no data on its prevalence among psychiatric patients) On the other hand, if psychiatrists determine from the history that the etiology is psychological in nature, they should begin treatment.

    Several psychiatric illnesses cause this syndrome. Most cases are a variant of OCD. Although it is not a distinct diagnosis in the DSM IV, but it is labeled as an impulse control disorder and as an OCD, according to Dr. Robinson Most cases are a variant of OCD, others are due to body dysmorphic disorder, agitated depression, substance abuse disorder, pseudoparasitosis, or psychosis. Furthermore, psychogenic excoriation is often co-morbid with anxiety, depression, mania, psychosis, and substance abuse disorder. Regarding the latter, some of these patients use cocaine and/or heroin, said Robinson, adding that most patients are women between 30 and 40 years old. “All these disorders must be treated for the syndrome to be resolved,” emphasized Robinson.

    In the early 1960s in U.S., amid public images of mental hospitals as sites for horror movies, a deinstitutionalisation movement caught hold in many states. At the time, mental hospitals were viewed as the least desirable solution to the problem of mental illness, both from a humane point of view and an economic one. California, for example, began to scale back its large mental health system in favour of community-based care, whereby smaller clinics would provide care. Although many facilities were emptied, outpatient services proved severely inadequate, a disaster according to some, which has only recently been addressed with the enactment of the California Mental Health Services Act.

    The negative stereotypes (and an undercurrent belief that patients were “entitled to think what they wanted”, rather than accept societal norms) continued to promulgate, however, and went even further in the backlash against social welfare policies in the 1980s, which lead to massive deinstitutionalisation and funding cuts. These changes led to the closing of many mental hospitals and the further reliance on local community care. Many former patients, instead of reintegrating successfully into society or
    receiving community treatment, simply wound up as homeless persons.

    Morgies do spread the word that their “morgellons disease” makes them end up losing everything. It’s so much easier to look for a pretend pathogen than it is to stop what they’re doing. Maybe not everyone is an excoriator. Maybe not everyone is buggy. Everyone is using “morgellons disease” for a reason, though, but what that reason is, only they know. Well, actually, no, I suppose there are plenty who may not really know. How great to have “morgellons” to blame.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatric_hospital

  56. Jace, I apologize for incorrectly employing the word, “defend” up above. I don’t even know the right word to use. I honestly don’t, and I’m sorry. I just knew you were going to be in denial of what those pictures are.

    View, “My Hand” and listen to the background music. Also watch the disturbing, up close, “Can A Delusion Be Photographed?” (I haven’t viewed Part II). There are some deep, deep, holes in some still photos of morgie people. I have trouble viewing self-injury, but it’s a pleasurable experience for those doing it, from all I’ve ever heard, and read about it. Their psychological pain is relieved through inducing physical pain, which, in turn releases endorphins.

    Most people claim they want help, but they so clearly don’t want help…but yet, they want us to know they’re suffering…and then, when we show that we care, and offer advice, it makes them mad. I don’t know who’s playing who, with “morgellons disease”. I suppose if they have money to burn on the doctors who are exploiting them, treating them for the non-existent “morgellons disease”, and not treating their mental illnesses, to them, that truly is a great thing.

    I think maybe I’m in need of a shrink, now. Am I thinking normal, at all, anymore? Oh, heck!! I took my padded helmet off to wash my hair yesterday morning, and forgot to put it back on!! That’s what’s happened to me over the past 24 hours. (Strappin’ back in, now.)

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=morgellons+disease&search=Search

  57. Wow- so saying that I don’t know something means that I’m defending self-mutilators and child abusers? Where do you even come up with that? *I’m* delusional? About what, may I ask? I don’t know why you keep trying to keep me off this blog, but I’m here because your little anti-morgellons cult should not be allowed to run unchecked. Your fearless leader Michael consistantly says he likes intelligent discussions, but if you do manage to run off everyone who doesn’t agree with you, the debates and intelligent discussions will stop and there will be nothing worth reading on this blog anymore.

    And why exactly should I go back to school? I’m not a derm, I don’t intend to become a derm, and I’m not a pathologist either. The stuff that I do does not require me to identify such things. It’s absolutely ludicrous to expect someone to know everything about a topic that is only peripherally related to the exact work they do. If I were a microbiologist or anatomist than you would be justified in expecting me to be able to identify those scabs, scars, calluses, whatever they are. But hey continue your insults, it doesn’t bother me one bit. You want people to come here and side with you? Then you might want to quit being so rabid with anyone who won’t follow your advice.

  58. Sarah bee

    try the pest world site

    remember nashville, opryland and the 100+ pesticide vendors putting on the show

    2004 Attendee Promo
    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
    Gaylord Opryland Resort. Nashville, Tennessee. PEST. WORLD … Bione, University of. Georgia, Athens, GA. Dr. Hinkle will discuss …

    https://www.npmapestworld.org/pdfs/PW05%20attendee%20promo.pdf

    i think you and dr. hinkle were on monday of the program.

    scroll down at look at the vendors; pesticide companies world wide.

  59. Jace. Grow up little girl.

  60. jace,

    c.p. marginata only comes out of his carapace when he feels he can dominate or spin a discussion. Like a playground bully he picks on those that appear weak. he doesn’t want to end up plastron up in the bright light of truth.

  61. People with any God given sense know that anything I say is only what “I” think, and not what “my fearless leader” feels. Now, I don’t give in to child’s play when the playing field is uneven, so I’ll leave it at that.

  62. Jace,

    You did say that you think Morgellons is a disease. Although that belief is unfounded and illogical, you are in a position of leadership an influence as a part of the OSU team. Your viewpoints, or opinions, help to reinforce those of the Morgellons believers, as long as you are in agreement with them. By sharing that viewpoint, both you and Wymore are harming the Morgellons believers. You are doing it by reinforcing their delusions. As long as they remain in their delusional state they will continue to harm themselves, and you are indirectly condoning it by agreeing with their unwarranted beliefs. You have been presented with enough of the facts that, yes, you are delusional if you continue to believe in the lie of Morgellons. That also applies to Wymore. No one has tried to keep you from participating in this blog, but as long as we are here, we will counter every hint that Morgellons is a disease with the facts. If you had read Smileykins posts you would know that she apologized for using the word, “defend”, but isn’t that what you’re really doing. I think so, at least indirectly. We are not a cult. We don’t have a leader, and Michael doesn’t have a following. He has his opinions and each of us have ours. We are free here, to speak our minds. That wouldn’t be possible if this were a cult. By the same token, you wouldn’t be able to speak yours. Why should you go back to school. Well, Jace, you are a member of a team that has set out to prove that Morgellons is a distinct disease, whether you know it or not, and you don’t seem to know what a scab is. You are a Morgie, and you think like a Morgie. Don’t expect your opinions to be shared by everyone that uses this blog.

    Tall Cotton

  63. Do we have Monday off? And is it a paid holiday?

  64. Wow, Jeezelouise. That has to be such a happy, happy experience getting your dad back again.

    Absolutely, yes.

    The correlation between my Da’s situation and Morgellons, is that Da’s thought processes were so scrambled up that he simply could NOT effectively make decisions regarding his own health. In such cases, when the people who love you are observing your symptoms and seeing it differently than you see it, it can be a very good idea to trust those people and let them help you.

    Morgies readily claim “brain fog” yet still insist that anyone who fails to see what they see, is abandoning them – or even conspiring against them.

    Yeah, I was part of a conspiracy. I had many discussions about my father, outside of his hearing. I conspired with my sisters, my husband and my son. We compared our surveillance notes and plotted courses of action. We deliberately and quietly solicited the assistance of outside agencies. We enlisted the support of many uninvolved third parties.

    Yup, it was a conspiracy, all right.

    And it worked.

    regards

  65. Tc said:

    “WE ARE FREE HERE, TO SPEAK OUR MINDS.”

    thank you

  66. Texas tar,

    I saw a lot of things while I was on drugs, things that either weren’t there, or else what I was seeing was distorted. But that was then. I see clearly now, and Morgellons is not a disease. You don’t have to believe it, and you don’t have to like it. But those are the facts.

    Tall Cotton

  67. Look to the big picture. The folks who own the USA, the big corporations, the ones who control the social institutions; they started feminism to get women into the workplace. The schools and daycares now have educational control over children.

    Taxes are high, everything is regulated to produce greater and greater conformity.

    There are two international trends that are going to be dominant; Islam and socialism. The only uncompromising enemy of these two movements is a Christian. One of the uses of Wormwood is to thin the herds in the “Red States”. Watch for controlled exposures in southern states. With the conservatives and Christians infected and dying en masse – and with a hideous parasitic wasting disease, the last block to the advance of socialism and islam will be broken.

    This is the beginning of the Age of Morgellons. We are only seeing the very beginnings of the horror.

  68. Smokingman, the problem is that you are simply spinning yarns here. Since you don’t have any evidence, your posts come across as high school regurgitations. Could you perhaps explain WHY you think these things? Pick one, and try to keep it at least slightly connected to fibers and sores.

  69. Smokingman, until just now, I have been enjoying my life, fully, feeling completely as free as a bird. You have just ripped it away, and yanked all of my happiness, right out from underneath me, and I am terrified to leave my house. I want to go see a doctor but you’ve made me too scared to move all of a sudden. What should I do Smokingman? You have to help me, because you did this to me through your comments here. What should I do, right now, Smokingmna???? Tell me, with all the infinite wisdom you possess, what I can do right now over this paralyzing fear you have awakened me to?

  70. What do you think, there boss? (Hehehehe, two seconds. Ya beat me.) Well, whomever’s in charge of payroll now, just make a note to have it out of my current pay.

  71. I can barely pay bills, due to all my grammatical errors, anyway. Oh well. I do paint my monitor with white-out, but they still show up. I’m gonna quit being so rabid when people don’t take my advice, and go on out there, and hit the streets and pass out those flyers now, to do my new job of getting people to come here and side with me.

  72. “Sarah bee…try the pest world site”

    Heck, I wasn’t paid for that. I was only compensated for mileage and my hotel room. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to say that room full of homegrown Southern men are out to get you?

    You see, what you say things like the “american pesticide applicators association” and mean the “national pest management association”, that’s a very particular distinction. the american pesticide applicators assocation, well, doesn’t exist. And when a person can’t get a major detail like that correct in an accusation, it doesn’t reflect well on their research skills.

    The National Pest Management Assocation is sort a group that aids pest management professionals (like person who comes to apply pesticides in your house to prevent termites, or the person who finds the hole in your house where mice are coming in). The assocation aids these professionals in continuing education credits. It’s hard to become a pest management professional, especially as it requires no more than a high school diploma, but it does require extensive skills training. It requires the kind of detail-oriented training where one would not be admitted if they tried to say “american pesticide applicators association” when they meant “National Pest Management Association.”

  73. “The folks who own the USA, the big corporations…they started feminism to get women into the workplace…. We are only seeing the very beginnings of the horror. ”

    Smokingman, how many times have I asked you, what evidence do you have of any of this? Or is your method just to spout off half-baked conspiracy theories, and hope you find a gullible person who will believe you without any evidence? I’m happy to believe you, but all I need is for you to throw me a bone here any tell me from what resources you are devising these theories.

    But, of course, I’m a woman in the age of feminism– why don’t I just go back to the kitchen? Wait, why am I wearing shoes? Where’s my apron? I’m am excrutiatingly insulted that you would suggest that a corporation would “invent” feminism to get women out of the home. That is a ridiculous, sexist, patriarchal notion.

    What is the next thing you’re going to say, that these corporations “invented” the equal rights movement, to get blacks into the workforce and out of your servant’s quarters?

  74. I’ve spoken of a lobster cage in the past, but I’d like to mention it again. A lobster cage has an open hole on top through which the lobsters are tossed. Nothing prevents the lobsters from crawling out the top, but none escape. Why is that? That’s because the lobsters that try to crawl out are pulled back into the cage by other lobsters. I think that this is a good example of the situation with the Morgellons believers. Some individuals begin to see the light, and head for the opening, into freedom, but others try to drag them back into a churn of false ideas. I’ve seen it happen.

    I am a lobster that made it out. How did I do it? I’ll tell you. Smileykins made it out first. Fortunately she made it out before finding the forums of the Morgellons believers. Otherwise, she might have remained in the cage. But she was in it alone, and she came out without being dragged back in by others. When I began to see the light, I headed toward that opening, toward freedom. I received emails from people trying to drag me back into the delusion I was escaping. People made comments on the forum, trying to hold me in my former beliefs. But as I reached that opening, and others grabbed at me, Smileykins took hold of me and helped escape. Now we are on the outside, trying to help others. If you want a hand, reach and take it. But please, don’t pull others back into the cage who are trying to escape.

    Thank God for the helping hand.

    Tall Cotton

  75. I went into that lobster cage, years later, when I heard about this thing on CoastTo Coast radio, and it sounded like what I had survived. To this day, I haven’t a trace of doubt, that many morgies think I am “morgellons disease” stricken and doomed. Many told me that I was, when I was on LB message board. Some said that the fibers just all went inward, and that someone like that is even worse off than someone who is aware of their fibers. I swear, they did!!!

  76. Speaking of lobsters:
    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/040816/16lobster.htm

    Researchers outfitted a baited trap with a camera and monitored it for 24 hours. The lobsters went into the trap, and more than half nibbled at the bait. But then–and this was the big surprise–94 percent of them walked right out. In one 12-hour period, lobsters made over 3,000 approaches to the trap, but of those, only 45 entered, and only five were trapped. Three of them were under size. So out of more than 3,000 approaches, they had only two salable lobsters! The lobster trap, it turns out, is a pretty inefficient tool.

    That’s kind of like the Morgellons trap. Millions of people saw the program on TV, only a few of them entered the trap (visited the web sites) and of those, 94 percent walked right out. The Morgellons trap, it turns out, is a pretty inefficient tool.

    But lobstersmen still make a living, and Morgellons claims more victims. That small percentage adds up to a whole bunch of people after a while. Like lobsters, the healthy ignore the trap, or swim in and right out again. It’s the vulnerable that get stuck.

  77. I cannot reveal my sources, but the epidemic is coming soon. I’m going to the Bahamas which will be spared this mass spraying.

    I’m not asking anyone to believe me, just to be open to the possibilities. I understand that these things are too fantastic to believe. You may not believe it until it comes down on you.

    A last hint: There is a reason why nurses and schoolteachers are most highly represented in the “morgellons” infected groups.

  78. Yes, the reason is that nurses and schoolteachers are popular jobs for middle aged women.

  79. “A last hint: There is a reason why nurses and schoolteachers are most highly represented in the “morgellons” infected groups. ”

    I can guess the reason too, Michael: because nurses and schoolteachers get purposefully infected by the government for being out in the work force and ignoring poor Smokingman, who apparently needs a woman to make him dinner and iron his shirts.

  80. And also, there’s a lot of them.

    Teachers: 8 Million
    Healthcare workers: 6.5 Million
    (Nurses being 2.4 Million of that)

    Why not so many farmers with Morgellons? Because there’s only 0.4 Million of them.

    It’s just another example of the MRF’s nonsense statistics, like this:

    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/07/27/and-statistics/

  81. Smokingman, since you need to alert us, for our own good, don’t we have a right to know if the voices are the ones revealing all of this to you, “for us”? Thank you.

  82. I want to go to the Bahamas whether I have jasmonic acid or not!

    Man, I think smoking man may be onto some info here, huh, Smokes?
    Oh, I know about Dell/Roundrock,Tx and the new Japanese- Encephalitis…..it’s true…..And SmokingMan, I went to school down there and I distinctly remember where IBM has there big new buiding out on Mopac -right across the road from the Balcones C.Club…..gimme more hints…..

    Cinnaimin Girl

  83. Michael,

    Are you implementing avatars?

    TC

  84. Hey Smokes,

    Can you please tell me if I’m on the right path..as far as
    touch, I’m seeing light and smell as well playing a part in some kind of osmosis.?…light energy perhaps?
    some colors must be triggering or stimiulating this transduction eh?

  85. I meant to also ask Smokingman if this could possibly lead to
    aminoacidic proteins? I do not understand this very well but I can damn sure guarrantee I’m trying…..I think this is gonna be,
    oh, Jeeze this is hard….something to do w/messing up the vegetables. Did you know that now they are not just recycling wastewater for enery but also RAIN!!!!!

  86. As far as teachers and nurses contracting this made-up illness (not
    so) well, I think/thought it was b/c of the water systems and the
    chilled water towers that sits upon top of every hopital and everyauditorium but, lets look at it for a moment in the aspect that wer were targeted for this….b/c I know I was followed for a while and also know the flashing, sometimes strobes of light coming from accross my street, directly aimed at my condo. (go ahead and laugh here, really couldn’t give a shit) but so, let’s just say that okay, yeah, we were hand picked for this awful Bell Lab Plague….

    So why I asked myself and then it hit me,if a shortage develops in essential professions such as teachers and nurses, insurance becomes insolvent: the amount of capital owned by insurance companies will ???????? so this is why, eh Smokes?

  87. Oh, The Who, London? (Ahem…me-me-me-me) “See me….feel me-e-e……touch me, feel me-e-e.” Osmosis? No way, Ozzy is here, too? London, Morgfest is just a week away. I hope you have your skills fine-tuned. You know, I went to the Saturday Morgie Matinee today. Had a great time. Amino acids? Oh, I never leave home without ‘em. Now, I thought wastewater became rain. Wait a minute, rain is always recycled.

    One week away, London…..yee-haw!!!

  88. Hahahahaha

  89. oh good, I made 911 laugh! Well here is some more 911:

    Texas Star: Ever hear of the pesticide Sevin? Look what it’s soing to my lil wasp and bees……

    If ground-nesting bees and wasps can be ignored and their tunnels tolerated, do so since they are valuable in agricultural production and helpful by controlling pests in nature. If nests are in locations undesirable and stinging is a great possibility, control is justified. During the day, carefully watch where the nest entrances are located. After dark, tunnels and the surrounding area can be treated with dusts of carbaryl (Sevin), bendiocarb (Ficam D) or diazinon when the nest is in the ground. Use pyrethrins, permethrin, resmethrin or propoxur (Baygon) when the nest is in the side of a building. Other lawn and garden insecticide sprays can also be used, but dusts have the advantage of not soaking into the soil. Those who are allergic to bee stings, should contact a licensed, professional pest control operator to perform the control job. Always read the label and follow directions and safety precautions.

    This now, Is some type of Dust Pesticide but the name is SEVIN

  90. Michael,

    Are you implementing avatars?

    I’m not, but apparently wordpress is. Users get a picture, which is showing up as a question mark if you don’t have one. So I just uploaded a picture for myself. Spot the rodent!

    To get one, you just need to sign up for a wordpress account, at
    http://wordpress.com

     details:

    http://wordpress.com/blog/2006/08/30/new-feature-avatars/

  91. London, do you ever feel like you are being duped by a purposefully mysterious person who watches too many x-files reruns?

  92. ” But your article really makes me sick. I have to get off the computer (sharing it) but I will nevertheless come back on later this evening to prove you wrong.”

    London, you never got back to me about how I could be wrong that some people who say they have “Morgellons” may not actually have MS/MSBP?

  93. Thanks, Michael.

  94. One of the first shockers I’d had on LB, when I was new to this whole thing, was of some people discussing using Sevin dust on themselves. I didn’t believe what I was reading, but that was only the beginning.

  95. Just a simple question. Who sponsors this website? My bet is on Monsanto.

  96. sarah hymenoptera said:

    “HECK, I WASN’T PAID FOR THAT. I WAS ONLY COMPENSATED FOR MILEAGE AND MY HOTEL ROOM. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT ROOM FULL OF HOMEGROWN SOUTHERN MEN ARE OUT TO GET YOU?”

    Oops, forgot you only had four freshman level science courses. Hymenoptera is the insect order that contains the wasps, bees and other stinging insects.

    So if you and nancy did not get paid except for travel, room and don’t forget food, why did you go speak to a bunch of bug spray guys?

    That vendor/sponsor list of over 100 companies had $omething to gain or they would not have been there.

    I wonder how many industry grants nancy and the entomology department has gotten in the past few years? you were probably paid with grant (soft) money yourself. maybe a one year grant to study/con these people who thought they had bugs. you and nancy write the paper, present it, grant runs out and you go back to school.

    its all about money, big money.

    will have to research university of georgia entomology department grant proposals. i’m sure michael keeps all that stuff.

  97. Texastar, what have pest guys got to gain from a person who convinces people that their pests are not real?

  98. Just a simple question. Who sponsors this website? My bet is on Monsanto.

    That simple question has been asked and answered a number of times. If you’re not going to believe the answer, why ask?

  99. Because I dont believe you.

  100. Why would this site need a sponsor to exist? All it took was a bored retired guy, and it costs me nothing, as the hosting is free via wordpress.com.

    You know, we are just wasting time here with the stupid conspiracy theories. But the reason for this is that there is nothing else to discuss. Morgellons has gone away in the public consciousness. The press have done their stories, so why would they do more stories on the same subject? The flood of recruits will slow back to the pre-publicity level, the quacks will continue as normal. The only thing of interest in the near future is the CDC report.

  101. Thats interesting. You are registered with godaddy.com out of Scottsdale, AZ. on 5/14/06 w/ a domains by proxy.

  102. And this indicates …. what? That you know how to do a domain whois?

  103. And this site is way too organized to be operated by a bored retired guy.

  104. You do realize that 15.2 million sites are registered through godaddy? Are they all part of the conspiracy?

  105. Oh yes, I forgot I paid $15 for an anonymous domain registration. Obviously I must be backrolled by a huge multinational corporation.

    As for the site being “too organized”, I really have no defense. Andreas Viklund should get some credit though.

  106. No just this site.

  107. Jeezelouise, I realize you are supposed to be undercover, but that question mark is just too enigmatic. Can’t you upload a symbolic picture?

  108. Why did you go anonymous with registration? Hmm. Why not tell everyone who you are and why you chose your postition?

  109. OH, HAHAHAHAHA!!! Helmet time for me!!!

  110. Because I don’t want harassing or otherwise annoying phone calls and mail.

  111. Sorry, Michael. I was printing up the photos from last night’s Suri Cruise surveillance mission and had to wait for that to finish before I could upload anything. I really need to requisition more RAM.

  112. Because I don’t want harassing or otherwise annoying phone calls and mail.

    Then he made us register the rest of those 15.2 million GoDaddy domains just to confuse things even further.

    Michael is gooooood.

  113. MONSANTO, lets say it again kids, M-O-N-S-A-N-T-O

  114. Monsanto, easy enough to say.

    And the point of this exercise is ….?

  115. OMG, Monsanto built Suri Cruise??!!??

  116. M-O-N-S-A-N-T-O I would hate to think of where the world would be without M-O-N-S-A-N-T-O

  117. This avatar thing seems to be a bit dicey?

  118. please do your own research about bio-enginereed food and get off my nuts

  119. Why would I want to research bioengineered food?

  120. Yeah, Weezie has a good paying job doing what she’s doing.

  121. Monsanto is good? They must be paying you to say that.. Monsanto is evil for playing god with nature and changing things that are natural.

  122. Monsanto is good? They must be paying you to say that.. Monsanto is evil for playing god with nature and changing things that are natural.

    You know, I realize that I’m new to this planet and all, and perhaps miss the more subtle stuff, but I don’t see where anyone on this thread has voiced an opinion about Monsanto, good or bad, except you?

  123. I like Monsnto. I wouldn’t be where I am today, without Monsanto.

  124. I used to love the Monsanto ride at Disneyland.

  125. HAHAHAHA said…

    “Monsanto is evil for playing god with nature and changing things that are natural.”

    You’d better throw away you mother’s calamine lotion. It ain’t natural either.

    Tall Cotton

  126. I used to love the plant tours in the Springtime, too, especially the walks around the waste treatment pond. Yes, those live bacteria were fascinating. Gobbelty-goop. Union Carbide, and I can’t forget Dupont. There’s so many. Monsanto is the best.

  127. yes that makes as much sense as anything you have said.

  128. I used to love the plant tours in the Springtime, too, especially the walks around the waste treatment pond. Yes, those live bacteria were fascinating. Gobbelty-goop. Union Carbide, and I can’t forget Dupont. There’s so many. Monsanto is the best.

    But, really, Lucent has way better buffets.

  129. MONSANTO GM-food folks good-night

  130. MONSANTO GM-food folks good-night

    Do you suppose one day you’ll tell us what relevance this has to anything?

  131. I think such things have all the fun and mystery taken out of them if they have to be relevant to anything. The morgie scene I know of is that way. Many start out one way, and end up way the heck out there in never-never-land.

  132. For Pete’s sake, should I be scared of Monsanto, or Lucent, or chemtrails, or Tom Cruise, or doctors or shrinks?!?! I guess I should be scared of everything!

    Oh, nevermind, too much trouble. I’ll stick to being scared of FenBen and bleach.

  133. Fear. I can’t even begin to imagine being so terrified of the world we live in, and saying that nothing is necessary, or needed, to help cope with it. Being fear stricken, and angry, enough, at the world, as well as so terribly upset because the rest of us aren’t, won’t make things just go “presto-chango”. We’re being told there is something wrong to not have fear and discontent. It has to be a miserable existence to not even know that this isn’t the way the majority of people think. Anytime fear gets a foothold on a person, there is a major power loss. I don’t like people to be afraid, of anything, and whatever made them get that way, pisses me off. Houston, you’re fun to play with, but you’re not playing. You believe you have “morgellons disease”. You’ll correct me if I’m wrong. Thank you.

  134. They want us to take notice, and be afraid with them, and for their sakes. But, like a shadow, Morgellons has no substance.

  135. Hey, Hey, Where do black ticks get Borrelia burgdorferi from?

    Does anyone know????

    How about from the parasitoid wasp! Oh yeah!

  136. and…did you know….

    Mutant Algae Is Hydrogen Factory

    Researchers at the University of California at Berkeley have engineered
    a strain of pond scum that could, with further refinements, produce
    vast amounts of hydrogen through photosynthesis.

    The new strain of algae, known as C. reinhardtii, has truncated
    chlorophyll antennae within the chloroplasts of the cells, which serves
    to increase the organism’s energy efficiency. In addition, it makes the
    algae a lighter shade of green, which in turn allows more sunlight
    deeper into an algal culture and therefore allows more cells to
    photosynthesize.

    For the Full Story, see:
    http://www.gatago.com/sci/environment/3936469.html

  137. maybe I got that wrong on Lyme disease and wasp, but the wasp parsitizes the tick:

    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/esa/jme/2003/00000040/00000005/art00007

  138. well here, you be the judge:

    Absence of spirochaetes (Borrelia burgdorferi) and piroplasms (Babesia microti) in deer ticks (Ixodes dammini) parasitized by chalcid wasps (Hunterellus hookeri).

    Mather TN, Piesman J, Spielman A.

    Department of Tropical Public Health, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts 02115.

    An entomophagous wasp (Hunterellus hookeri Howard) parasitizes about a third of the host-seeking nymphal Ixodes dammini Spielman et al. ticks on Naushon Island in Massachusetts (U.S.A.) where the agents of Lyme disease (Borrelia burgdorferi Johnson et al.) and human babesiosis (Babesia microti Franca) are enzootic. Following blood-feeding, wasp-parasitized ticks are destroyed by the developing wasp. The prevalence of either human pathogen in host-seeking ticks collected in wasp-infested sites is nearly 40% lower than that found in other sites. Nymphal ticks, collected early in their season of activity, are more frequently parasitized by the wasp and less frequently by the Lyme disease spirochaete than those collected later in the summer. Spirochaetes never infected wasp-infected ticks, and few wasp-infected ticks were concurrently infected by the Babesia piroplasm. Taken together, these correlations indicate that the wasp may render the tick inhospitable to both pathogens. The presence of the wasp may have reduced risk of human infection on the island by either pathogen by as much as a third.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2979518&dopt=Abstract

  139. London,

    That means that the wasp parasitizes tne ticks and this renders the ticks inhospitable to Borrelia burgdorferi and Babesia microti Franca. The developing wasp also kills the ticks.

    Tall Cotton

    P.S. The main reservoir for Borrelia burgdorferi is the White Footed Mouse.

  140. People continue their search for Mary Leitao’s Morgellons Disease pathogen. The pathogen doesn’t exist, and the disease doesn’t exist, but sufferers of other medical problems and other real diseases forgo needed medication as they search for the illusive, non-existant, pathogen and develop conspiracy theories around a make-believe disease. Some people find temporary hope in the forums of the Morgellons believers. But that hope soon fades, because a Morgellons pathogen is never located, or its disease processes identified. Some of these people are dying because they have swallowed Leitao’s poisonous misinformation. The hopelessness has led to suicide. Like mad dogs, the sufferers ravage thos that come to help them. The lies have become so deeply ingrained in the minds of the Morgellons believers that whatever reason once existed has long been forgotten. They’re in a downhill spiral, mind and body, and they have taken their children and their pets with them. We can see the destruction, but don’t know how to stop it.

  141. London Says: “Oops, forgot you only had four freshman level science courses. Hymenoptera is the insect order that contains the wasps, bees and other stinging insects.”

    And you went to school for…. and had how many classes… from what University…. and why does this matter? Actually, I graduated with 124 credits, and about 100 of those credits were science classes. What do hymenopterans have to do with Delusory Parasitosis? And if you have hymenopterans coming out of your skin, surely it won’t take but a blink for an entomologist to identify that for your dermatologist, and for you to be on your way.

    “So if you and nancy did not get paid except for travel, room and don’t forget food, why did you go speak to a bunch of bug spray guys?”

    The University of Georgia is a publish or perish university. Meaning, maintaining your resume with speaking at conferences and publishing literature is what gives your job security.

    “That vendor/sponsor list of over 100 companies had $omething to gain or they would not have been there.”

    Right– they want people to buy their products. That’s what they have to gain.

    “I wonder how many industry grants nancy and the entomology department has gotten in the past few years? you were probably paid with grant (soft) money yourself. maybe a one year grant to study/con these people who thought they had bugs. you and nancy write the paper, present it, grant runs out and you go back to school.”

    All University funding, at any public University, is open record for your perusal. My job was paid for by three small grants. All research on vertebrates (including people) has to be approved by the Internal Review Board, and they do not permit “conning” or “tricking people” or “lying” even for the sake of research. The technical term in research jargon, “deception.” They don’t like lawsuits, you see.

    “its all about money, big money.”

    I would think that “big money” would give me health benefits.

    “will have to research university of georgia entomology department grant proposals. i’m sure michael keeps all that stuff. ”

    I don’t know Michael, but you go knock yourself out. It’s open record.

    London, I’m still waiting for one, just one, of your conspiracy theories about how a pesticide company is out to get you, to hold any water. Why would a pesticide company have an agenda to tell people their bugs are not real?

  142. sarah buzzybee,

    do you know anything about london’s wasps?

  143. Hi. I do not suffer with this, but I believe people do have it. I do not understand why three people would set up a blog making people who all suffer from the same symptoms look bad.

    For the strange lady with a da (whatever a da is)who was coincidentally misdiagnosed with alzheimers the same week as Sarah dumms article was posted, you need to do a better job in your disinfo. If you want to be a PR specialist, you need to be a little less coincidental. You can see right through it.

    For the disabled person, I think you shoud read ms. Dumms report. I think you have munchhausen syndrom. You need to stop treating yourself like a cripple. You just don’t want to walk. You are looking for attention.

    I am sure you feel like you are helping people with your cult-like-philosophic ways, but you all just look stupid.

    Your evidence indicates that these fibers are environmental? What evidence have you analyzed, If I may ask?

  144. Hi NoLoc, this blog was set up by me alone, not “three people”. Various people add comments to the posts. Sarah Bione-Dunn has guest-authored a couple of posts, but the other 75 are from me alone.

    Your evidence indicates that these fibers are environmental? What evidence have you analyzed, If I may ask?

    Good question.

    1. I have similar looking fibers on my skin and on my lesions
    2. All analysis of fibers has reported them to be envrionmental (three fibers analysed by Wymore were “unidentified” but shown to be not organic)
    3. 99% of all “morgellons” photos on the internet are clearly regular clothing fibers.

    See:
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/05/10/fiber-test-from-a-lab/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/07/13/morgellons-photos/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/07/11/fuzzballs/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/04/11/fibers-are-everywhere/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/11/fibers-on-primetime/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/white-fibers-fluoresce-blue-under-uv/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/04/18/fibers-are-everywhere-part-2/

    Since there is NO evidence that they are NOT environmental, I think the preponderence of evidence indicates that they are.

  145. Have you had YOUR fibers analyzed?
    Have you seen the ACTUAL fibers in person that morgellons sufferers have had analyzed? Your claim is completely unfounded. Until you have been there to witness this, I suggest you keep an open mind.

  146. Have YOU observed the light from stars bend around the sun during an eclipse? Until you have witnessed this, I suggest you discard Einstein’s theory of general relativity.

    Have YOU witnessed the elliptical paths of the planets? Until you have observed this, I suggest you ignore Newtons theory of gravity.

    Have YOU sailed all the way around the world? Until you have, I suggest you assume the world is flat.

    I base my beliefs on the AVAILABLE evidence. The same evidence that is available to everyone, including you. If you would like to point out something I missed, then go ahead.

    I do keep an open mind. I’m just saying what the evidence indicates.

    What is this extra evidence on which you base your theories?

  147. Wymores findings, Jan Smiths findings, Carnicoms pictures of the fibers, FBI data, and the people with comparable symptoms to me is an indication that we have to really take these people seriously.

  148. Wymore found some fibers he could not identify. He’s an assistent professor of pharacology.
    Jan Smith has photos of scabs and lint
    Carnicom’s photos look exactly like these photos of cotton The “FBI” was a passing mention by the Tulsa PD when they failed to find the fiber. The FBI did not analyse anything.
    People do NOT have comparable symptoms, the case definition is so broad it covers just about anything. The closest condition that matches it is Menopause.

    What is your evidence? Give me a link, and explain what the evidence is, and what it shows, and why it shows it.

  149. By the way Michael, If people here are volunteering samples to you, why not take them up on it and get them analyzed on your own before you dismiss them. I think even Sara Dumm can tell you that you cannot support your theory without investigating it completely. If you are so set against these fibers being anything other that what YOU say they are, you need some “REAL” evidence to support your claim other than because I think so.

  150. Fibers have been analysed:

    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/05/10/fiber-test-from-a-lab/

    I’d be happy to see some evidence that suggests they are otherwise. Why don’t you show me some.

    The burden of proof here is on those making the extraordinary claims. There is NO evidence to support your claims, there is LOTS of evidence to refute them. So explain exactly why I need to have MORE evidence?

  151. Wow, Michael, that looks exactly like cotton, doesn’t it?

  152. London Says: “sarah buzzybee,do you know anything about london’s wasps? ”

    London, I’m going to take from you not responding to…

    1) my reply about my education to mean that you recant your weak attempt to discredit my education

    2) my reply about how research universities demand conferences and publications to mean that you recant your other attempt to suggest that I have an diabolical ulterior motive for speaking at NPMA in Nashville

    3) my reply about the vendors at NPMA to mean that you agree that they were there to make a financial profit for their product and not out to get you or anyone else to mean that you agree with me

    4) my reply about grants being open record but Dr. Nancy Hinkle’s unidentified parasite project being funded by three small grants to mean that you recant your suspicion that industry is out to get you

    5) my reply about your comment regarding big money to mean that you agree, that it isn’t all about big money

    You see, London, you throw a lot of stuff out here on the reply part of this blog, and when people address your concerns with legitimate, simple answers (as opposed to fantastical, false “the government is going to get me” answers) you change the subject. I’m not going to let you get away with that, and when you don’t reply, I’m going to assume that you find my answers acceptable and agree that these are truth.

    Now, there are parasitoid wasps, and they may be linked to Lyme disease. But if there are wasps living in your skin, London, that should easily be assessed by an entomologist, who can tell that to a dermatologist, and you can get help. What entomologists have you had identify these wasps in your skin?

  153. NoLoc said…

    “For the disabled person, I think you shoud read ms. Dumms report. I think you have munchhausen syndrom. You need to stop treating yourself like a cripple. You just don’t want to walk. You are looking for attention.”

    Noloc, you are truly an idiot. I know this person very well, and I happen to know that she doesn’t have munchausen syntrome. Neither is there any reason for anyone to think otherwise.

    This lady walks and she also runs. She takes care of her home without anyone’s help, and she takes care of 5 cats, 2 dogs, and a turtle. She suffers extreme pain, but she handles it like a Navy Seal. She is highly intelligent and very beautiful.

    Tall Cotton

  154. NoLoc,

    I generally don’t write about anything I don’t know at least a little something about. Anybody, though, can see enough of what they need to know, to form an opinion, one way or another, on “morgellons disease”, since many of those claiming to have it, have their lives spread out all over the internet. I became acquainted with a portion of them through a couple of message boards, and through email, last year. There are people who claim to have “morgellons disease”, that come to this “debunking” forum…

    a. Already *knowing* that reading here is going to bother them
    b. They see things written in *generalized statements*, and think it’s about them, personally, setting some of them into their *typical attack mode*
    c. They see negative things written *directly against named individuals*, and go into an attack mode as well

    Some accuse me of really doing a number on a lot of morgie people. Well, deal with, one way, or another. Why one person takes it all upon themselves, like a guard dog, defies logic. I have a blog where they can tell me about it. It makes absolutely no sense for people who hold fast to their disease to even come here. Their disease is safe. It’s a crying, pathetic, shame, too, because there’s help for all of that, I’m sure.

    I appreciate your having brought clarity, into the difference of singling persons out, personally, in your comment #144

    P.S. I’m not going into it, for your entertainment, but I ditched the walker three years ago, and have only used the cane, when I’ve gone out, twice, this year. I fight hard to not let my disablement show, and “pity” is a word I have despised all of my life, with a passion.

  155. Sarah,

    Just now seeing your post- I have no idea what your talking about. I just read what you said I quoted about education, ect., except you have the wrong person. I not only did not say any of that, I didn’t even read it. When I came on and post about Bb earlier this a.m., I did not read the ones above that were posted from last evening.

    I will go now and look though. But, I promise, it was not me.

  156. Sarah,

    Were you talking about this post (#96)? Note* this is only a snip of it…..

    texastar Says:
    September 2nd, 2006 at 10:04 pm
    sarah hymenoptera said:

    “HECK, I WASN’T PAID FOR THAT. I WAS ONLY COMPENSATED FOR MILEAGE AND MY HOTEL ROOM. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT ROOM FULL OF HOMEGROWN SOUTHERN MEN ARE OUT TO GET YOU?”

    Oops, forgot you only had four freshman level science courses. Hymenoptera is the insect order that contains the wasps, bees and other stinging insects.

    So if you and nancy did not get paid except for travel, room and don’t forget food, why did you go speak to a bunch of bug spray guys?
    ***************************************

    If so, it clearly states the author as being Texas Star

    London

  157. how ’bout dem dum bees,

    london can recant anything she/he wants too. I was the one who brought up the points you credited to london.

    you yourself stated in one of your writings that you only had two biology and two earth science courses. you later said you had 100 credits in science. honey, psychology, expressive dance, theater, and tea making are not science courses. are you blonde? in comparing transcripts you are so way out of your league.

    concerning who is pulling university enotmologists’ purse strings; do a google search with key words “monsanto hinkle”. There are too many relative sites and references to post here.

    its all about money, gm food, biopesticides, fooling the public, and did i mention money.

    somehow in the needed realtionship between the pesticide industry and university researchers the tail has started wagging the dawg.

    i guess some had some mixed emotions concerning which side to sit on at the GA and CA game yesterday.

  158. Sarah,

    I mean I’m glad I’m on your mind and all but read closer, here (below) you say I also said something else….but, why would I ask you a question about myself? Here is what you stated:

    sarahbionedunn Says:
    September 3rd, 2006 at 10:43 am
    London Says: “sarah buzzybee,do you know anything about london’s wasps? ”

    London, I’m going to take from you not responding to…

    1) my reply about my education to mean that you recant your weak attempt to discredit my education

    (that again, was just a snip)

    I’m usually not that rude to people,unless provoked with good reason. I dunno, Sarah, maybe my name is popping up from your computer getting Texas Star and I criss-crossed. It has happened before.

  159. oh good, I’m glad you wrote in Texas Star, sorry, but I did not see your post until after I had posted that last one.

  160. I just have to add, NoLoc, that I’d read what you suggested I read, as soon as it was posted. It wasn’t my first knowledge of it. I probably do more reading in one day, than lots of people do in their entire lifetime. That’s how people learn stuff, ya know? That’s where I have the problem with all these medical background “experts”, such as Jace & Wymore, when I have suggested, to her, that they “think back to what they once learned”. What did she say? Well, I don’t recall, but it was astounding, although just what I expected. She went off into some defense mode, about what she has gone to school for and such. I happened to have been taught, along with the rest of the class, in grade school, about basic skin anatomy, way back in 3rd or 4th grade. High school biology classes taught it too. Now, come on!! These people have to have some biology courses underneath their belts. They’re not fooling anybody except for the people “they can fool”. Although, look at the one who started this “morgellons disease”. In all of their right minds, they’d know better.

  161. Thanks for your explaination. I just assumed you were in a wheelchair and crippled. I am sorry for making assumptions. You should really try to do the same, smileykins!!!!

    Its good to hear you that you yourself had munchhausen syndrome and not this crazy whatever it is disease that people keep complaining about.

  162. NoLoc, I’m afraid you seem to misunderstand what Munchausen’s actually is. Perhaps you should read a little about it before attempting to use it as an thinly veiled insult. Try the links in the top post. It’s very interesting.

    You know, there is no ill feeling here. I want people to be healthy. It’s unfortunate that you’ve somehow formed the option that I’m part of a vast corporate conspiracy. But most people will realize just how silly that is.

    Even if you can’t get past that, it’s really a straw man, a distraction from the real meat. All this talk of motivations and credentials is a sideshow. What is really important here are the claims and the evidence. Maybe we could agree to disagree on my nefarious motives, and just look at the science?

  163. Well I thought Smileykins was on board at some other website claiming to have morgellons. Because this person believed it at one time and then suddenly retracted that belief, wouldn’t the dx be munchausen?

  164. NoLoc:

    You’re welcome, for my explanation. I’d appreciate it, if you could please explain:

    a. How you arrived at your conclusion to assume that I was wheelchair bound
    b. How you arrived at your conclusion, of hearing, from anybody, that I have ever had munchausen syndrome
    c. How you arrived at your conclusion that I make assumptions

    Thank you

  165. Noloc, when you make specific remarks, the person they’re made directly towards deserves specific answers from you.

    a. How you arrived at your conclusion to assume that I was wheelchair bound
    b. How you arrived at your conclusion, of hearing, from anybody, that I have ever had munchausen syndrome
    c. How you arrived at your conclusion that I make assumptions

    and…

    d. “Well I thought Smileykins was on board at some other website claiming to have morgellons.” ……How did you arrive at your conclusions to think that?

    Thank you. This is called “effective communication”.

  166. NoLoc, no, obviously not. Can you really not see why?

    Munchausens = deliberate falsification of an ailment to get medical attention.

    Smilykins = thought she was sick with something, but discovered she was not.

    If I think I’ve got a cold, then decide I don’t, does that equate to Munchausens?

    Why do you persist with these silly arguments? Do you really not understand? Are you just running interference?

  167. NoLoc, as I have reiterated, time and again. anyone who has a grievance with me, this blog, belonging to Michael, is not the place to resolve it. Please take it to my blog, and I’ll be more than happy to continue addressing your issues withe me, if there is a geniune problem, which there obviously IS.

    http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/

  168. NoLoc, I just notice your name is a wordplay on “ass backwards”, is this a cryptic clue or a freudian slip?

  169. No, a tri-level anterior corpectomy, with an autograft from my hip, and titanium plating and screws, and bilateral tri-level foraminotomies, were as real as the spinal cord compression and the peripheral nerve root compressions that required a seven hour long surgery. You seem to be mad because you couldn’t pick on a cripple in a wheelchair, NoLoc. Now, I had heat exhaustion from severe dehydration that led to passing cupfuls of kidney stones, about a year after recovering from surgery (which has left me disabled, and lucky as hell I am not a quadrapelgic), and that was all real too. The effects that two month illness had on my mind was a geniune, temporary, condition also. Four years after that, I heard of “morgellons disease”. Morgie people are the ones who tried to convince me that I’d had it. Not me. That’s the way they do, in case you haven’t learned enough about anything at all. That was also the first I had ever learned that there was anything called DOP. I saw those letters on their message board. I read about it, and knew, then, that that had been what was the matter with me when I was not seeing things correctly for a couple of months. I hope this helps anybody who needs to understand, and hasn’t, but I don’t know what all this interest in me is about, NoLoc, or how it is going to benefit you.

  170. Well, there are no comments, yet, in the comment section of TC’s & my blog. Maybe NoLoc had a problem with my having pointed out a major problem, in this topic thread. I think anyone who is against this “morgellons disease” issue should have a problem with it, especially any level-headed friends and family members. The OSU researchers are doing what, exactly? Jace became extremely upset at me for asking her to identify scabs (after I had posted links to the pictures of them, and asked her to, three times), and she couldn’t. I’ll just reprint the important part of her comments…

    #57 jace Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 7:21 pm

    And why exactly should I go back to school? I’m not a derm, I don’t intend to become a derm, and I’m not a pathologist either. The stuff that I do does not require me to identify such things. It’s absolutely ludicrous to expect someone to know everything about a topic that is only peripherally related to the exact work they do. If I were a microbiologist or anatomist than you would be justified in expecting me to be able to identify those scabs, scars, calluses, whatever they are.

    Only the people who think they have it, can’t see a thing in the world the matter with anything that’s going on with the people they’ve entrusted to handle it for them. It is mind-boggling. I only hope, since I know it can never be stopped, that some friends and family members can come up with something to help all concerned. I don’t even want to try to imagine what such people, on both sides, the morgies, and their loved ones, are dealing with every day. The resistance is apparent, and I don’t know what another person could do about it. Going along isn’t right, attempting to dissuade them isn’t right. It’s no wonder that some would have to give up on it, shut down emotionally, and/or leave. I don’t see that any of the effects stemming from the results of a lack of patient-doctor communication and effective follow-up, have been good, for anyone, in their personal lives, and worth the trade-off for something called “morgellons disease”. Somebody tell me that isn’t what is wrong here, please. Just tell me.

    [Edited by Michael: Fixed blockquotes]

  171. Oh so you had a “temporary” mental illness.

    And do you claim at this time to be completely recovered from your mental sabbatical?

    Do you feel that you are completely and wholly recovered? I just need to know.

    Have you been cleared by a doctor, smileykins? Have you been re-evaluated by a mentally competent psychiatrist that can show us results? I didnt think so. You need to prove this to us. There is not enough evidence to prove that you are stable in the mind.

  172. Uh-oh, I messed up the blockquote. Take it out of my pay.

  173. OMG, NoLoc. Well, hold on, and I’ll try to help you with your problem. Mercy sakes, you certainly have one, don’t you. Hehehe.

  174. margimaze,

    i see you have become aware of cryptic clues. marginata may be slow but eventually gets there.

  175. I guess I do have a problem. I just feel for these people suffering. It does look to the general non-infected public like myself that you are the ones with the problem. If you have to even create a blog page to tell people that you don’t know, haven’t seen, ever even met that they are having mental issues because they see fibers in their skin – you are just either stupid or have some other agenda. I do not know how you can make assumptions that this disorder cannot be real.

  176. NoLoc, it’s going to take me a while, but in the meantime, you can look up some info about passing kidney stones, or heat exhaustion, or high fevers. I’ll try, as much as I can, to help you. I didn’t think I’d be facing such a task when I got up today. I’m concerned over your obsession with me, and I want to help, but at the same time, I’m not sure trying to lend assistance in helping you understand things about me, is the healthiest, or the right way, to help you work through this. I think you should examine what this is stemming from. I’ll get back, though, but I am rather busy at the moment.

  177. Hang on, first, NoLoc, because you still have not answered these important questions, for either of us…

    a. How you arrived at your conclusion to assume that I was wheelchair bound
    b. How you arrived at your conclusion, of hearing, from anybody, that I have ever had munchausen syndrome
    c. How you arrived at your conclusion that I make assumptions

    and…

    d. “Well I thought Smileykins was on board at some other website claiming to have morgellons.” ……How did you arrive at your conclusions to think that?

    and…

    e. How have you arrived at your conclusion that I am mentally ill?

    Thank you. We can work through this, NoLoc. It doesn’t have to be this way for you. Excuse me for a few minutes. Take your time, and I’m awaiting your answers.

  178. I am a normal everyday joe, smileykins. I hold a normal job. I have a normal kinda life. You seem to be a mental case. I think you may even be OCD. You think you have to tell thousands of people who have some strange symptoms that they are not really having them. Over and Over. I don’t mean to pick on you smiley it is this whole “have my own anti-morgellons” blog thing that Michael started. Now whose gonna be next to have an anti morgellons blog? Get a real fucking life. Why do you all spend the majority of the day (by the number of post you all have) telling people that they cannot possibly have the symptoms that they do? Seems a little bit wrong. I find it so funny that you would even care so much. You all for sure have OCD. I knew there were mental issues. Hey I might start my own blog about your groups specific antimorgellons OCD hahahhahahhah

  179. We’re havig a NoLoc crisis, boss. ‘Splain to NoLoc, one of you, on the team, that this blog wasn’t created for the reason they said….

    to tell people that you don’t know, haven’t seen, ever even met that they are having mental issues because they see fibers in their skin

    NoLoc, you need to learn things, for yourself. Somebody help this person, I have my hands full with all I have to do for them. Now, you hold up your end, NoLoc, and quit evading my numerical questions. Let’s not add anymore on, until you answer them.

  180. See, that was just a test to see if you are obsessive, and guess what? You failed. I will provide links for proper diagnosis, what meds are available etc. hold on a minute.

  181. NoLoc,

    No one is saying that these people’s symptoms are not real. We know that most of them are sick. They just DO NOT have Morgellons. You need to learn a little about how this made up disease got started. Additionally, you need to read comment #141, above. It should be very easy to understand why we go to the trouble that we do, in order to bring you the truth.

  182. http://www.diseases-explained.com/OCD/whatcausesocd.html

    Here ya go. Looks like you, Michael and Tall Cotton should read this. I hope you can get the help you need. I really feel for you guys.

  183. See. you cannot continue life without control. This is a major part of OCD. Please get checked out. I am seriously worried about your mental status. It is okay to be obsessive and compulsive. The problem is that when you become too involved in other peoples problems to the degree in which you have, it just manifests. You need to seek out help before you hurt others more than you have already.

  184. NoLoc,

    Get a grip on yourself. We don’t need your help, not in the slightest.

    Tall Cotton

  185. Okay, TC, just what I suspected. most people with OCD try to hide or even disuade others into believing that they are okay.

    Your anti-morgellons OCD is really showing its head now.

  186. Morgellonswatch is doing a wonderful job, and the work being done to try and tame what can only be described as mass hysteria among hypochondriacs (and I am a firm believer that this is the case), should not be denigrated by the kind of hand-over-fist, pseudo-scientific bullshit being slung by people like NoLoc.

    He’s no better than the people you are debunking. Don’t waste your time on him.

  187. I know that entertaining NoLoc is a waste of time, regardless of how much I detest misunderstandings existing among people. Misunderstandings are the very core of “morgellons disease”, and I’m used to this type of person. You’re far from being “a normal everyday joe” with “a normal kinda life”, NoLoc.

    It all started with a post like this, when I got on here, today….

    For the disabled person, I think you shoud read ms. Dumms report. I think you have munchhausen syndrom. You need to stop treating yourself like a cripple. You just don’t want to walk. You are looking for attention.

    Thanks for your explaination. I just assumed you were in a wheelchair and crippled.

    Go to your local rehabilitation center and make fun of the cripples in wheelchairs there. I hope you don’t dream about me tonight.

  188. I don’t think you could present much of anything that we havn’t already both read, and studied. If you don’t need our help, and if you don’t really want to understand, fine, but we aren’t going to play your idiotic games. You’re really silly.

    Tall Cotton

  189. See, having the need to go through the trouble in order to get people the truth. This is either OCD or pehaps some other cult like thing. No, definately anti-morgellons OCD. Hey guys, I’ll be playing golf with three of my buddies tomorrow. One of them has a wife who is a pretty good psychiatrist. I’ll see if he will ask her about it for ya. I just want you to get some help. Your anti-morgellons OCD is having a negative impact on your life.

  190. Translation of NoLoc-speak: Oh shit, they aren’t as angry as I wanted, lemme try to beat a dead horse for a second longer and see whether or not I can get my gratification after all.

  191. Soror,

    How ya’ been doing? We havn’t heard from you in a while. Good Luck to You.

    Tall Cotton

  192. I’m sorry. People with low cognition, sometimes, deserve having more of our attention, to try helping them, or else we have to let them go. I’m sure you didn’t develop this deficit overnight, NoLoc. We can’t fix it for you.

    This blog started out as, and has continued to be, a place of enlightenment and education. It has evolved with a particular bent to it, due to a particular reason. Anyone that thinks they have “morgellons disease” makes a conscious decision to read here, knowing fully well that when they do, that they’re either going to learn something, are they are going to be upset and lose control of their emotions. Firm believers shouldn’t read here. They know who they are, and this blog is no threat to “their disease”, but they misnterpret everything to begin with, and then, off they go.

  193. Soror, I think you are very unsympathetic here. These people have this obsession that is just not right. Let me explain. They obsess about a condition that people have. Why do they care? They feel the “need” to inform people of other diseases they may have. They each set up their own blog pages in doing so. They even have people on their side write in posts that coincedentally with the posted article. Come on. Do you not see a problem. They need to let it go. They have drugs for this disorder. They respond to all posters. It is just a serious case of Obsessive compulsive behavior. No games here. Just truth. How many hours a day do these people stay online posting? Many. They probably have it on their cell phones or palm pilots so they can anwer back at the exact moment someone posts. This is just crazy. Please get help. I am serious. I will post some more links for you guys later. I gotta go for now. The Deutchbank is on tv. I will not let your obsessions obsess me.

  194. “YOUR ANTI-MORGELLONS OCD IS HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE.”

    what life. this is all they do. it is their lame excuse not to do anything real, positive or productive; probably because they never have in their whole life. you cannot reason with anyone when you are looking frank paranoia in the face.

  195. hey bugs,

    it just hit me. are you going to attend the more jamm infestival since it is so close to you. you ought to just show up and mingle and talk with the morgies. maybe you and adapted could set up a tent and have a morgie revival and save some people. you could go to wymore’s seminar and ask some questions. this post began sort of tongue in cheek but it really is not a bad idea.

  196. NoLoc, have I communicated with you in the past, when I was Adapted, on lymebusters? I think that is the forum where you need to be. I had attempted conflict resolution with you, first thing today, but you’re not motivated towards understanding. You still haven’t answered my alphabetically listed questions (that I’m owed), since I posed them to you at the beginning of your personal remark. Instead, you’ve kept on unravellling. Show a little bit of the integrity that you want so badly to possess, and just answer them for me. If you aren’t Mary Leitao, herself, (oh, did I ever say a funny that time), or one of her programmed robots, what is the goal you hope to accomplish in doing some of her well-noted tactics? This is fun times, today!!!

  197. Dear OCD smileykins,

    I promise you I have never before posted anywhere about morgellons or OCD for that matter anywhere. You are blatently obsessed. You are obsessed with me answering your questions. You begged me to come to your blog site. Do you not see the problem? You need to read about the Yale-Brown scale. You need to get a grip. In many of your posts you accuse people of being Mary. Is she your real obsession. I truly do not believe so. She is just a side-dish obsession for you. There are other treatments for OCD other than drugs. There are behavioral therapies and natural products. My suggestion to you is get help. You keep going on and on with this. Let it go.

  198. Smiley- that was not me being “extremely upset”. That wasn’t even me a little upset. It wasn’t even meant to be defensive, all I was saying is that I don’t know what they are, and that I am not responsible for that type of analysis in my job. If you want to tell me what those pictures are, I’d appreciate it, because I really do want to know and I don’t have the time to read through derm books to see what the answer is. Also, that whole second block of quotes in post #174 was not from me. My syntax is nothing like that person/s, and that quote isn’t even something I would say. I just wanted to clarify that I really wasn’t upset or defensve- sorry if that’s what you perceived.

  199. NoLoc, and I know you’re probably still there, circling like the fly you are – what I see are a group of individuals who are willing to give up some of their time toward helping people. You make the argument that they are somehow OCD, but you are not a medical professional…you may as well say that reproductive rights advocates, or missionaries, or writers, or anyone that spends a sizable amount of their time devoted to one single thing is a victim of OCD.

    Which well, frankly, is nonsense. You will find me unsympathetic because I have been watching this conversation for a few hours on and off, and seen you try to make sure that everyone ‘knows’ you have some sort of life, all the while you tell these people they have none. You and Texastar both. The truth of the matter is this: If you had a life, you wouldn’t be trolling a message board, would you?

    I come here occasionally to support these people because they -are- doing something positive, whether you like it, or agree with it, or not. If you want to put your head in the sand and be a ‘believer’, then you are of course, free to do so – but for some of us, the truth doesn’t equate out to just the things we want to hear.

    Are you any better than the people you accuse of having no lives? Prove it and piss off.

  200. Okay, this is getting ridiculous. Reading these conversations with NoLoc reminds me of an argument one would have with a belligerant child who’s walked in on the middle of a movie and pretends to know what’s gone on so far.

    NoLoc, read the post.

  201. London– my deepest apologies for mislabelling my reply. I owe you a beer, if you’re ever in town.

  202. See soros, You are one of them too?

    You feel that it is your job. “work being done to try and tame what can only be described as mass hysteria among hypochondriacs.”

    Now I know you are obsessed. I asked my wife if she ever heard of morgellons, Nope. I asked my kids friends (high school kids) nope.

    My brother in law who is a CEO of a financial institution in NYC – Nope. Guess what, NO mass hysteria. Its all in your head. People your obsession with anti morgellons is having more of an impact than you think. You are drawing more attention to yourselves. If you really want to help people, help yourselves first. Please get councelling. You are accusing people of saying things they did not say! Two times today this has happened. You stare at a blog all day, this is going to happen. Go take your kids out for ice cream and then make an appt. to get your anti-morgellons OCD under control.

  203. Sarah,

    No problem. Sure, cheers, got some acid by any chance?
    (I’m just kidding people!…kind of HAHAHA)

    Where’s Smokes today? Wonder if he’s left for Paradise Island yet?

  204. Well Soreass, This is the first time I even posted here. Its raining outside (boston). Golf is on. I’m watching it. Who cares if I have a life or not. My wife went shopping with her friend. Kids are down in basement playing Mario Party 7 or some type of E rated video. I am having fun trying to blog. I have been doing a little research here and there on this stuff. I really find it quite intriguing. Its all so mysterious. I would like to say almost cool, but do not want to hurt any sufferers feelings. I guess they probably don’t think it is cool to have sci fi(bers) coming out of them.

    At least I’m not obsessed. Ill be playing golf in Scituate tomorrow. If ya need me to help you sort out your obsessions for you – well tough crap. I just really and truly with all honesty in my catholic heart – swear on my mothers grave hope you stop with your antimorgellons OCD and get some treatment for it. Or maybe youll end up with 5 other disease blogs. Think how much time that would suck up your life. Get out and get some fresh air. Go for a nice drive. Invite some friends over. Its healthy, both physically and mentally. Next time I post I promise to have a link for your disorder.

    NOLOC

  205. My google-fu is weak. I have no idea what we’re actually talking about.
    I am unable to run a web-search on ‘Morgelleons’ an inform myself of the situation actually occuring. Therefore I am ignorant of all the media and internet coverage that this group is targeting.

  206. oops, that was me, London. Didn’t know my name was not on post like it usually is. You guys will not believe what type of and HIV article I read today, totally bizarre. Will tell you guys about it when the time comes for that. Just strange.

    Hey, when is the Morg festival?

  207. Great analogy Sarah. Just what I woulda said, yeah right!!! That was the dumbest analogy I ever read. You must be relating to some incident in your past life.

  208. Yep, I’m still here instead of being outside, with my wife, with my children, or playing golf. Got nothing better to do than sit here and antagonize a bunch of strangers and wave buzzwords at them. This message board is slowly dominating my night, and I’ll be here long after everyone leaves.

  209. What I can’t figure out about this real Man-Made Plague from Bell Labs (My opinion) is how many people share our general symptoms….(the usual hellish ones) Is it b/t 4000-10,000?
    Or 10-25,000?, over 100,000? and were we just an experimental group w/ low #’s? Or is this indeed contagious
    (which I don’t think it is unless close contact sharing body fluids, etc.,) you know the type, kind of like HIV (?Hmmm)

    Damn, some of our symptoms sure do mimick HIV symptoms.

    What a crappy way to go….swollen with bulging sore blue veins all over us, having to tip toe when we walk for fear of our feet bursting or something. This just is the worst.

    Hey, does anyone know of an oil I can rub on my forehead that will make my olfactory senses trick me into thinking I am healthy? (I’m serious here, I am)

    Thanks~

    London

  210. Jace, you’re very lucky, even though, as you’ve said, there’s nothing in it for you, that these people that you and Wymore are in charge of helping have as low cognitive functionings as both of you. I will not believe that you’re serious. It’s not my job to teach you, and besides, any small child can pull scabs off and observe clot formations, and wound healing processes as they’re interferred with.

    I appreciate NoLoc presenting me with a better opportunity to explain myself, and my views, today. I think a lot of people have only a superficial view of what “morgellons disease” is. The way it’s presented, some people freak out. Some people identify with it readily. Some people are confused. A lot of people make fun, or write the so-called victims of it off as just-plain-crazy. I’ve never, ever, been “against” any of the people who think they’re victims, since it seems that there has always been a lot of confusion, or made up minds, about that. That’s a part of it, and, with NoLoc, today, it seems to be the driving force of his emotions.

    So, NoLoc, it could have been possible, under different circumstances, during the time when my heat pump
    went out, causing me to develop heat rash, first, from deydration, and my health plummuted, that if I’d discovered “morgellons disease”, back then, and I were someone suffering from low cognitive functioning, (I’m saying, “under different circumstances”, now, so try to take that the way it’s implied), I could have been convinced, through lymebusters message board, that I was on my way to a certain death. I got dangerously close anyway, and I needed help. I had myself and God. Morgies who like to, can twist that, and I hope they enjoy themselves with it. God was sufficient.

    I never have been for people not following their doctors’ diagnoses and follow-up care.
    That’s how they got hooked & snared into this.
    I am not for self-abuse & neglect, child abuse & neglect, nor, animal abuse & neglect.

    You’re probably (or you ought to be), clear on where I stand on the woman that made the myth, as well as
    the ones pretending to diagnose and treat it. People have many things going on with their health, none of which is something non-existent, called “morgellons disease”. If any of their doctors “geniunely said” it was all in their heads, which I have reservations in believing, for very valid reasons, they didn’t say there was nothing on, or in their skin. About all I’m able to do, is speak my mind from behind this keyboard. You don’t wanna bark up this tree, NoLoc, because such things have adverse effects, 9 times out of 10 (I was born that way), and may launch me into something, even I’m not all the way up for. I’m probably in deep trouble with my boss already today. I hope this assists you. You very entertaining, and the conspiracy theories get sort of stale, fast, around here.

  211. Hi guys, I’m back with another link.

    http://familydoctor.org/133.xml It really gets into detail about your symptoms. If you have created a blog to defend your obsessive compulsive beliefs, well, I am afraid that you will probably have to do both behavioral and pharmacological therapies.

    By the way, I did not appreciate you blogging in using my name when it wasnt me in blog Nos. 209 and 212.

    My wife is back. I want to go see how much $$$$$ she spent at the store. She loves to shop. Its her way to get back at me for golfing,I think.

    Oh, she didn’t spend too much. Two blouses at Filenes. I got off easy.

  212. Well, you sounded extremely upset,and defensive, Jace. For instance, accusing me of trying to keep you off of this blog. Hahaha.

    # 57 jace Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 7:21 pm

    Wow- so saying that I don’t know something means that I’m defending self-mutilators and child abusers? Where do you even come up with that? *I’m* delusional? About what, may I ask? I don’t know why you keep trying to keep me off this blog, but I’m here because your little anti-morgellons cult should not be allowed to run unchecked. Your fearless leader Michael consistantly says he likes intelligent discussions, but if you do manage to run off everyone who doesn’t agree with you, the debates and intelligent discussions will stop and there will be nothing worth reading on this blog anymore.

    And why exactly should I go back to school? I’m not a derm, I don’t intend to become a derm, and I’m not a pathologist either. The stuff that I do does not require me to identify such things. It’s absolutely ludicrous to expect someone to know everything about a topic that is only peripherally related to the exact work they do. If I were a microbiologist or anatomist than you would be justified in expecting me to be able to identify those scabs, scars, calluses, whatever they are. But hey continue your insults, it doesn’t bother me one bit. You want people to come here and side with you? Then you might want to quit being so rabid with anyone who won’t follow your advice.

    I stand by my words, and I would like to see my being, as was said,”so rabid with anyone who won’t follow your advice”. “Rabid” is more comparable to the cat-fight with a multiple, that I resorted to out of quite a history of failed efforts with her in the past. Her malicious harrassment of TC & me, which she came here for, got to me, and I’ve never had another human being do me that way before. I made a grave error in judgement, and I’m regretful for it. Since then, this person has resorted to other annoying tactics. Like I have said before, I don’t have a handbook on dealing with such types. In my world, all is well, and people are respectful and do the right things for each other, and themselves.

    NoLoc, we come from different worlds. I don’t pick on people. If I did, and that person asked me why, I would be honest enough to tell them. They would not have to keep asking me reapeatly. What are you so afraid of? Out of your own mouth, after referring to my handicap and using the word, “cripple”, you had actually hoped that I was in a wheelchair. Such cowardice I’ve never seen before in my life!!!

    Anyone that wants some “morgellons disease evidence” needs to look these links. Why are the senses of everyone who wants to believe in this, completely numb?

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06204/707970-85.stm

    http://www.rense.com/general72/callus.htm

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=morgellons+disease&search=Search

    [Edited by Michael: Fixed blockquotes]

  213. “Ms. Leitao gathers only a handful of donations for her foundation, and has yet to receive a grant. An anonymous blogger maintains an anti-Morgellons Web site rife with personal attacks. Some living with Morgellons become so discontented, they channel frustration toward the one person they can associate with the disease.”

    I never read the post-gazette article before. Are they referring to this blog? And where are the personal attacks?

  214. I have spoken against Mary Leitao, and the others, like, Stricker, Savely, Harvey, Wymore, Schwartz, by name. Morgie people get instructed by her to come here and try to do anything they can to stop it. I haven’t said anything about her, or any of the others, that hasn’t been made common knowledge, over the internet, in news stories. I add my feelings on the matter, sure, because it is an outrage.

  215. Okay, I have not had a chance to read you-guys dialogue
    Smiley and NoLoc, but I can tell you this much about Smiley,

    she has always been efficient, prompt and helpful with many a health questions I have asked. That’s the honest truth too! Hope this helps, not srirs up any trouble.

    I just think in my mind that they are against the “word” Morgellons and I am fine w/them.

    But I see both of you guys’ side.

  216. Thank you, Anonymous. I’m against more than that word. A whole lot more. I’m against something we’re not allowed to openly talk about. Oops, and just by my having said that, many of the ones with “morgellons disease” will take that the wrong way, since they think I’m part of the conspiracy behind it. I’m real against being bossed, or ordered on how to live my life and spend my time, and I don’t tell others what to do with theirs. That is, unless there is an indication, in the content of their words, that they are having serious problems. I don’t like people being taken advantage of when they’re helpless. I’ve been accused of being high on drugs, because I am nearly paralyzed, at times, and sit at the computer to try to get my mind focused off of the unremitting pain I have to put up with. Now, I’m OCD. It’s so amusing, to have to defend my right to use a computer, to total stangers, as my own personal form of pain therapy. There’s something wrong with people who boss others, and order them around, as well as pick on them, and run and hide, like NoLoc has all day, evading telling me the reasons why. (Like he even has to, though.)

    I’m sorry about the confusion, from my typos.

    #202 jace Says:
    September 3rd, 2006 at 3:56 pm

    Also, that whole second block of quotes in post #174 was not from me. My syntax is nothing like that person/s, and that quote isn’t even something I would say.

    I’d followed, by saying..

    #176 smileykins Says:
    September 3rd, 2006 at 2:10 pm

    Uh-oh, I messed up the blockquote. Take it out of my pay.

    I also messed it up in comment #216, but even though I’d only meant to have the top portion in a block, both times, the accidental block below, in each mix-up, are my own comments.

  217. The misattributed comments are a bug in wordpress – it sometimes gets it’s cookies confused and you get someone else’s name when you leave a comment.

    I’ll fix them.

    NoLoc, you are welcome to say anything you like here. But trying to antagonize people with your passive-aggressive diagnosing is just wasting time. Do you think factitious disorder might be a factor in some Morgellons patients?

  218. Come out, come out, wherever you are, Mister Yellow Belly.

    “In many of your posts you accuse people of being Mary.” Show me, Doll Face.

  219. Smiley, You see, if you were just helping people and trying to use your computer as a source for pain relief, you have another problem.

    There are people in New Orleans one year later who still have no place to live. The govt is screwing with them.

    This weekend is the annual MD drive. Go volunteer. You pick up some strange fiber disease and obsess on it. You just cant let it go. Disturbing.

    I’ll bet that to help you fight your pain, you could visit your states website and find out about many organizations that are in need of help.

    You need to break away from the anti-morgellons fight. There is not enough info on it in the world to even waste your time on this fight. Why don’t you wait for some more results from the people investigating it? How come you cant let them be????? You have designated it a made up disease?

    I truly am fascinated with the disorder. I hope that it is not highly contagious. I hope that the people can get what they want. From what i have read all they want is to know what is causing them to have strange threads in their skin. Whats the problem? Hell, I sure as hell would want to know.

    Your obsession is obvious and sad. Again, I hope you get some help for your AMOCD

  220. I’ve edited the names on the mislabled posts. Two were London posting accidentally as anonymous. Two were someone spoofing as NoLoc (which I changed to “Fake NoLoc”. I would greatly prefer it it people would stick to posting as themselves, as it aids clear communications.

  221. NoLoc, why do you care what people choose to “obsess” about? Some people watch soap operas and the Hallmark channel for eight hours a day after they retire. Why don’t you pick on them for not doing something useful with their lives?

    Your argument today is facile and childish. I, and others here, would be happy to debate and argue with you if you presented some actual observations and theories.

    You are fascinated with the disorder? Why don’t you discuss it then? What’s your theory as to why no doctor has been able to see the fibers?

  222. Michael kerned:

    “WHAT’S YOUR THEORY AS TO WHY NO DOCTOR HAS BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE FIBERS?”

    you keep disappointing me. you appear to be becoming a michael with you brain fog and short term memory loss. Several doctors have seen and reported in the media events as to seeing the fibers. quit reading off of last months menu and present some meat and potatoes instead of your unfounded spun, selfserving verbage.

  223. If all these doctors can see the fibers, then what’s the problem?

    Or more importantly, why do 99% of Morgellons believers report that their doctors dismiss the fibers as lint?

    It may seem like I’m regurgitating old arguments since the state of Morgellons has not actually changed in the last few months, and nobody has come up with any better evidence than before, so my position is the same. It’s at the top of the left column on every page in this site.

    Maybe we should just leave it at that? Since you don’t want to offer up any subjects for debate, I’m kind of running out of things to write about. The media circus is over. The MRF is no longer operating. The NMO is well meaning, but lacking in credibility and perspective. Wymore will not get funding. The CDC will take their time and pronounce Morgellons to be baseless. People with delusional disorder are generally lost to treatment regardless, and the borderline cases can read the posts here and decide for themselves. Life goes on.

  224. why wont whymore get funding? If the government suspects a disorder and the CDC is examining it why not? If not him perhaps some other University. There are so many great schools in my area, I wonder why they would not pick up and at least investigate. If I were a Biologist, I would love to get my hands on something like this. Think what it could do for the school.

    They would be known as the school that discovered that freaky new disease and every kid in america would want to attend. The Biology lab would be like MIT. Hey Good Idea you morgie people, why don’t you contact MIT. Hell, I bet they would love to get their hands on something like this.

  225. I think this is The Morgie Gestapo. Jeezlouise should be coming on her shift, soon, unless she took a Sunday off.
    Now, where did I put my safety helmet. Oh, here it is. (Morgfest, 6 days away, and counting.)

    If NoLoc , HAHAHA, Houston, or Texastar is afraid that talking about their perceived disease, here, will somehow detract from it, and dimish it for them, rest assured, it won’t. I know that none of them, nor any of the others that are so threatened by this blog, can even comprehend that. That is fascinating, to me. I also have this nasty little thing I was born with. I don’t know what “mental illness label” we could put on it, but what it is, is that when anybody tells me what to do, I don’t take well to it. Like I said, I was born with this trait. I don’t boss people, and when they do me, in an effort to dominate and control, hey, well, that got me stuck like glue here. I’m glad it pisses controlling personalities off so much. We all know that isn’t the reason for their bossiness though. It all goes back to what I said in the opening of this comment. Since “morgellons disease” is real, chill out. Real diseases can’t go “poof”!!! If they could, you wouldn’t have it.

  226. Wymore will not get funding because he needs to get statistically sound data to demonstrate that there actually IS a possibility that there is a new disease. To do this he needs an epidemiology study, which a grad student is currently doing. However if all they have to go on is the MRF survey, then that would not be data of sufficient quality. The grad student will need to do follow-ups, and contact a subset of the people who registered, and get a coherent group of people who have some correllation. Based on what I’ve seen, the symptoms are so varied, that they will be unable to demonstrate this group exists, and hence unable to get approval from the independent review board.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology

  227. “Maybe we should just leave it at that? Since you don’t want to offer up any subjects for debate, I’m kind of running out of things to write about. The media circus is over. The MRF is no longer operating. The NMO is well meaning, but lacking in credibility and perspective. Wymore will not get funding. The CDC will take their time and pronounce Morgellons to be baseless. People with delusional disorder are generally lost to treatment regardless, and the borderline cases can read the posts here and decide for themselves. Life goes on.”

    1) Wymore is receiving funding.
    2) CDC was involved in the Cry9c fiasco
    3) Folks with this problem are not dilusional
    4) We aint going away. Ready your war chest.

  228. I don’t think NoLoc understood a word of what you just said, Michael.

  229. Houston, we have a problem. You’re flying without a helmet, and you’ve yet to tell us your symptoms. Who is it, you, or your mom, that is allergic to GM foods? Why not just eliminate them from your diet, as much as you can, and see an allergist?

  230. I agree michael. there has been nothing new either pro or con concerning morgellons disease. same old stuff in the media which did serve the purpose of creating awareness. the cdc is saying they are going to ca to look into it. Maybe we all should wait till there is something new to discuss instead of regurgitating last weeks cud. you are right again about no credibility at nmo except for cliff and his x-zone and rense interviews and the talking morgie pets. it will be interesting to see what happens with mrf with dr. harvey. he may not be into dog and pony shows with domino contests. so it looks like one thing has been accomplished, that being getting the cdc to take it seriously and look into it. at least rutz says they are doing both. so we should wait and listen for a while.

    smellycans, you assume waymore than you should. Are you gonna enter the three legged race? do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

  231. I’m usually right, Texastar. When proven wrong, I’m always the very first to admit fault and apologize. Tell me what I’m assuming wrong, and we’ll have something to look forward to in the future. I live by the Golden Rule. Always have, there, toots.

    I liked this from that Wikipedia link:

    The best public health advocates consider the broader context beyond the epidemiology and public health literature to render judgment on a course of action for a population. In this manner they are employing a different analytical framework than the strict scientific method that is more common in scientific epidemiology. However, it is rare for one person to wield the skills and embody the features required to be a leader in both the scientific and advocacy aspects of public health. Moreover, scientists who stretch the truth in matters of advocacy ultimately risk their own scientific credibility.

  232. i am not trying to start any arguement. I have said before that I know some things and I have posted some. None, not one was from word of mouth, but from hours upon hours of researching this plague and the interworkings as best I could. I have worked on it for exactly 1 year last week.
    I have put in no less than 12 hours a day. Crazy? Yeah, but I can’t change the past.

    My point? Oh, I have asked , pleaded, warned and screamed and cried at times that all I want is some help.

    Have I gotten it? NO, hell no. Sure, I got some kind help and advice here and there from people like Smiley that do care. Sure. But the help I am referring to is answers like what will this become, or what is an essesntial component to stop this infection from getting anyworse. Is there a certain diet? An oil perhaps that will stimulate Olfactory senses to change brain chemistry? Is there a type of shower filter to use? Certain foods to avoid?

    Sun or no sun? Notta G.D. answer one….so Here I go….

    I’ve already said some things and I don’t lie, what’s the point but waste everyone’s time. I don’t give a damn if people believe me or not. I’m just lil old me giving out some free research I did.

    Let me say it again, OK state has gotten money, I can produce a doc. w/ in 10 min. here if you wish. It is to the tune of 12 million I believe. No, I did not say Doc Wymore’s Dept. got that money, I said the university. Now that is just the funds that this one document says. No telling about any others that may or may not have transpired.

    Hey, why the hell is London doing this? B/c London is sick and f–ing tired of all the GD lies. Since I’m on a role, they know, this University knows for gods sake what this is!

    It’s not too great a water system there…..the Vet dept knows what’s happening, why does Doc not go there? Perhaps he is, how should I know, we never hear a damn thing.

    I’m going to stop there for now, but Oh, how I can go on if need be. Sorry, don’t mean to offend anyone, that is not my style, but f-ing A! Gimme a brake…..like his damn lab does not know what the fiber is. Bullshit.

    Now, you want me to tell you what kind that Lucent uses? I can. Just haven’t played that card yet. Nearly did when Greta got so close in “acting” like she did not know.,

    Greta has a Dr., degree people! Like I said, believe me or not. She was practically rubbing it in our face when she spoke of how they bend to the point of breaking…blah, blah, spare me. I will go there though, just waiting to see if the CDC is going to pull there heads from their arse or whomever, whenever. But the clocks a tickin…..tic-toc, tic-toc,…..

  233. Pink Flloyd!! Dark Side of The Moon.

  234. Oh, Texastar,

    Several doctors have seen and reported in the media events as to seeing the fibers. quit reading off of last months menu and present some meat and potatoes instead of your unfounded spun, selfserving verbage.

    We know of Drs. Casey & Wymore, and Smith (“victim”, also) from televsion-land. Elsewhere, who, other than, Harvey, Stricker, Smith (again), all in on it, and Squirts (sorry, Schwartz), and Bev Drotter (“victim”, also).

    Do you mean “several doctors”, other than them? They hardly qualify.

  235. hahaha….ole’ Smiles….. Hey, news flash just posted on bio-online re: the CDC. “Befour” get the credit for this post:

    http://listserv.uh.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0607&L=tx-ento&T=0&P=1985

    London

  236. yes

  237. Thanks London, that’s old news. Still, though, if that person, “Mike”, has brought some validity to anyone who didn’t already know that the news article was propaganda, I don’t know whether that’s good or bad for people.

    “yes”? To London, or me?

  238. Smiley-now this does offend me:

    “Jace, you’re very lucky, even though, as you’ve said, there’s nothing in it for you, that these people that you and Wymore are in charge of helping have as low cognitive functionings as both of you”.

    I have no problems with my cognitive functioning, and I never have.
    What I don’t understand is that while you don’t like people coming to this blog swearing and calling you liars, you are doing EXACTLY that to me. You claim to want to help, yet when I ask you to tell me what those pictures of you tell me it’s something I have to work out on my own. Why? Okay, I still have no clue what you wanted me to say about the scab pics. I can’t believe because I didn’t correctly “name your scab” my intelligence is called into question. I teach at a community college, and have taken a very intense histology class, and I’ve never seen those structures except on the internet. It truly amazes me that you won’t tell me what the pictures you linked to are. If you really truly believe that morgellons is not in any way, shape or form a distinct diseae, wouldn’t it make sense for you to tell me what your pictures are, and maybe we can get an answer one way or another soon. If you don’t want to believe what’s been going on in the lab, that’s your perogative. (and not something I will post on the internet again) But you have no reason to belittle me. I could very easily reciprocate your insulting comments, but I’m a more caring person that that.

  239. There is a way to gauge the spread of this illness that some are calling morgellons. This can be done by viewing reports from people whom have most likely not heard of the term morgellons. visit the site ebug.net. http://www.e-bug.net/forum/index.shtml

    This is a websight and forum for a pest control company (exterminator). the posts which include questions concerning black specks, microscopic or unseen biting bugs, whats biting me, little black flecks, etc are being asked by people and the term morgellons is not used. Further proof of a physical disorder related to these types of questions can be seen by viewing the archives of this forum to early 2001 when these types of questions are rarely asked and then the surge of these questions beginning in late 2001 and early 2002.

  240. Further proof of a physical disorder related to these types of questions can be seen by viewing the archives of this forum to early 2001 when these types of questions are rarely asked and then the surge of these questions beginning in late 2001 and early 2002.

    Or it could just reflect the fact that Internet usage surged during that same period.

    http://www.oracledbaexpert.com/info/internetUsage.html

  241. Jace, it is impossible to penetrate the mind of anyone who is resistant to learning what they don’t want to know. Furthermore, add to that, if it’s something you just don’t know already, or feel the need to know. But, you’d said you worked in an ER.

    Like I previously said, a small child knows when they pull scabs off, that there are clots in their wounds. Jace, when scabs keep getting pulled off, and their anchoring filaments, and blood clots, and anything else that these people are getting hold off to yank out, plus, the processes keep being repeated, until there are deep holes, come on. Do you and Wymore seriously not say to these patients, “Uh, hey there, ya may want to leave that scab alone, so your skin can heal up.”? You see nothing wrong with anything you ever say here. You even employed the word, “callus”, for pete sakes.

    It’s so much easier to look for a pretend pathogen than it is for these patients to stop what they’re doing. Maybe not everyone is an excoriator. Maybe not everyone is buggy. Don’t they pretty much all have fibers? (Yes, but we all do.) Don’t they pretty much all itch? (We do that too, but not all of us get carried away.) Don’t you and Wymore pretty much know nothing about skin, when SKIN is the main thing here?

    Oh, no. It’s “the neurotoxic effect”of these patients that he’s concerned over now, and trying to string gullible people along into believing (unless he is, one way, or another, incapable of knowing what he’s actually doing). I feel quite sure that many of these patients’ doctors did not abandon them. They abandoned their doctors, quite a few, repeatedly, because they didn’t like the diagnosis. They need health care advocates. Can I do anything about that? No, I can’t, but I can yack about it, and hope some people in these people’s lives can do something.

    I had answered you (already) in comment #55 & #56, on September 1st, and said I wasn’t going to play with you. Here is a portion of it, and if you need more than this, the comment is still up there. I’d suggested viewing the links to the youtube videos too, but you may (and no doubt, will) misinterpret them, also.

    I’m not trying to change YOUR mind, any more than I would try to help a morgie out of their “belief”. It can’t be done. You may not recall, but I was convinced that you were a morgie when you came here. If any friends or family members can come up with a way of assisting someone in their lives with this, they should write a book for others. But, “morgellons disease” is nothing new, though, and patients, friends, and families have always encountered this. People think they have it, by not addressing what they’ve received as diagnoses, and Mary Leitao offered this up, because it all looks the same, and is more appealing than what they’d been told.

    And,remember,I had also said, sometime before, that I didn’t think Wymore was doing this as anything but a graduate study project. Giving him that benefit of doubt, was the only way my mind could reason his motive. Following his written word, in periodic letters to morgies, last year, I didn’t care for his communication style. You’d said that he hadn’t gotten involved just for a grad study project. Something’s been seriously wrong to have gone into it without knowing what he was doing. To me, there has been something seriously wrong with all of the public statements he has made. There is something seriously wrong with his OSU web page on “morgellons disease”. Of course, you don’t realize it, and I would not expect you to. That’s no fault of yours, as a student who has no say-so in the matter. I wouldn’t want to be in your position, but you’re fine as long as you keep on believing.

    I’m not trying to keep you off this blog, but as you said,

    I don’t know why you keep trying to keep me off this blog, but I’m here because your little anti-morgellons cult should not be allowed to run unchecked. Your fearless leader Michael consistantly says he likes intelligent discussions, but if you do manage to run off everyone who doesn’t agree with you, the debates and intelligent discussions will stop and there will be nothing worth reading on this blog anymore.

    #55 Smileykins Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 2:13 pm

    Below is a very sad account of a man who dug at one spot. I know of an on line morgie person who walks with a limp, because of this, and blames it on “morgellons disease”. Seeing Mary Leitao still pulling from the sore, that she won’t allow to heal, on the bottom lip of her little boy, on national television, was digustingly despicable to bear witness to. If her child’s lip is not already paralyzed, it will be. He’ll have problems eating, and speaking, along with God only knows what else, for the rest of his life, thanks to his mother.

    http://www.hvinet.com/lizlipton/psychogenic%20excoriation.htm

    Given the severity of these complications, clinicians should treat psychogenic excoriation more seriously than other complusions,” Dr. Robinson said in an interview.

    “Most compulsions have fairly benign consequences such as chapped hands from hand washing. However, psychogenic excoriation is a syndrome that actually makes OCD a source of dangerousness to one’s self. Psychiatrists should think about involuntarily committing these patients: Even though they probably won’t die from this, it doesn’t mean they won’t be harmed and doesn’t mean they’re not putting themselves in danger.” Indeed, in a case report published in the November issue of the Southern Medical Journal and summarized below, Dr. Robinson and colleagues described a patient who picked through the muscles between his shoulder blades, and after an abcess developed, temporarily became a quadriplegic at level C7.

    One reason involuntary commitment is often necessary is that most patients deny the psychological origin of this disorder; instead, asserting their incessant scratching or picking has a physical etiology such as cancer, itching, or allergies. Some even deny they pick their skin, instead attributing their lesions to a physical disease.

    The mean age of onset of psychogenic excoriation is between 30 and 40, according to Dr. Robinson, and most patients are women. Typically, the lesions are a few millimeters long, are located in easily reachable places, and have post inflammatory hypo- and hyperpigmentation. Some are nail-shaped. Most medical complications are limited to skin lesions and secondary cutaneous infections, according to the study.

    The lesions can’t always be distinguished from lesions caused by medical problems, said Robinson. Consequently, if a psychiatrist thinks there might be an underlying organic etiology, they should refer the patient to a dermatologist. (In fact, 2% of dermatological patients have this syndrome; however, there is no data on its prevalence among psychiatric patients) On the other hand, if psychiatrists determine from the history that the etiology is psychological in nature, they should begin treatment.

    Several psychiatric illnesses cause this syndrome. Most cases are a variant of OCD. Although it is not a distinct diagnosis in the DSM IV, but it is labeled as an impulse control disorder and as an OCD, according to Dr. Robinson Most cases are a variant of OCD, others are due to body dysmorphic disorder, agitated depression, substance abuse disorder, pseudoparasitosis, or psychosis. Furthermore, psychogenic excoriation is often co-morbid with anxiety, depression, mania, psychosis, and substance abuse disorder. Regarding the latter, some of these patients use cocaine and/or heroin, said Robinson, adding that most patients are women between 30 and 40 years old. “All these disorders must be treated for the syndrome to be resolved,”emphasized Robinson.

    No one would even have to be, but you’d blatantly said,

    I’m not a derm, I don’t intend to become a derm, and I’m not a pathologist either. The stuff that I do does not require me to identify such things. It’s absolutely ludicrous to expect someone to know everything about a topic that is only peripherally related to the exact work they do. If I were a microbiologist or anatomist than you would be justified in expecting me to be able to identify those scabs, scars, calluses, whatever they are.”

    I’m sorry you asked me, again. It’s not my job to help you, though, Jace, and I’m sorry I insulted you.

  242. South, that condition has been around f-o-r-e-v-e-r. If a person were miserable enough, we’d think they’d treat for it, but they don’t. The resistance to treatment is the sure-fire diagnosis of it. If this isn’t what that is, I’ll thank you to overlook me.

    There does not appear to be any one underlying cause for delusional parasitosis, although it probably has to do with fundamental aspects of brain chemistry. This syndrome is often classified into three types according to the underlying condition:

    1. Primary Psychotic Delusional Parasitosis (Delusional parasitosis is the sole psychological disturbance):

    * patients otherwise behave normally
    * reason in a rational manner

    2. Secondary Functional Delusional Parasitosis
    where there is an underlying psychiatric condition, including:

    * schizophrenia
    * paranoia
    * depression
    * anxiety disorders
    * obsessional states

    3. Secondary Organic Delusional Parasitosis
    where there is an underlying physical illness present, including:

    * drug abuse
    * hypothyroidism
    * cancer
    * cerebrovascular disease
    * tuberculosis
    * neurologic disorders
    * vitamin B12 deficiency
    * diabetes mellitus

  243. Hi people – I just wanted to drop in and get an update please, if I could. I have a couple of questions if you can answer.

    The recorded message number for the CDC, they are keeping a record of “Morgellons” syndrome victims, have they (CDC) determined what the victims have or haven’t got, or whatever, you know what I mean.

    What do the people at the CDC tell someone when they enquire with reference to being a Morgellons victim?

    Thanks

  244. By the way before you ask – I have been to the lady doc. Back on the pill(thank goodness), but I am anxious about my blood, urine results – will have them soon I hope.

  245. Silly question here – Organic Delusional Parasitosis?? What does the organic mean? I know I am not DOP, just interested.

  246. Hi SarachConnor, “organic” means the DOP is caused or triggered by some physical problem, like itching due to diabetes or menopause, rather than being a purely mental problem.

    I really don’t know what’s going on with the CDC, but I think they are still just basically gathering information, and have not decided anything yet.

  247. Okay thanks Michael – so the MSBP could still be in place or you do not know?

    Do you know what the situation is the MRF and those affiliated can I actually believe everything that is put on the internet? (Bit late for that question lol!!!!)

  248. Personally I just want the whole thing over in some way. I would love to be able to come to the computer and not think about all this stuff (Morgellons), it really is such a mess.

  249. I’m not sure what you mean about the MSBP, it certainly could be another factor in the mix with various people, but every case is different.

    I’m glad you seem better. Does taking a break from the internet help you?

  250. With the MSBP I meant is this what ML is suffering from?

    I am a bit better thanks – I am getting over another bad head cold, as well as some new symptoms and aches. I am very anxious at the moment though awaiting my results. This has been the worst ordeal of my life. I don’t know how I should feel, to be honest I feel like an idiot, but do hope this will turn out much different.

    Taking a break from the internet does help, internet = morgellons & research. I would like to be able to enjoy the internet for much more pleasurable things in the future if I can, but this experience has frightened me. I just wanted to come and ask some questions since I was awake and got up. It is always in the back of my mind unfortunately.

  251. Smileykins said:

    it is impossible to penetrate the mind of anyone who is resistant to learning what they don’t want to know. Furthermore, add to that, if it’s something you just don’t know already, or feel the need to know.

    very well said, and this applies to the three of you much more than you three will ever admit. wake up already.

  252. Southcity – Could you please explain who you are referring to? Were you including me in that comment?

  253. Two things:

    Organic Delusory Parasitosis is also known as Illusory Parasitosis, the sensation of crawling, scratching, rashy, etc. skin from something such as methamphetamine use, reaction to medication such as blood pressure medication or prozac, static electricity, etc.

    “With the MSBP I meant is this what ML is suffering from?”

    Mary Leitao has been diagnosed as having Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy by several professionals. I don’t dare make my own diagnosis regarding her situation, but I feel that when a mother has been to tens of doctors to no relief except the consistent diagnoses of eczema and MSBP, there might be something to that.

    She says herself that even in the face of the continual diagnosis of eczema, she said she knew it wasn’t eczema and was something worse. That sounds quite similar to MSBP as well.

  254. Good Morning, Sarach. Welcome back. It’s good to hear that you are experiencing some improvement.

    In case Southcity doesn’t respond quickly, I can assure you that he wasn’t referring to you.

    Tall Cotton

  255. Thanks guys I just needed to check in. When I wake up feeling a bit ratty like now, my mind wonders and I worry of course. I will quit reading anymore stuff because I will end up with nightmares, it has been known to happen!!

  256. good morning mrs sarah b dunn.

  257. Alright Smiley, I’ll leave you alone. But your words are SO reminicent of my kids when they’re fighting and one tells the other “you don’t even know what I’m talking about” The other child just says “I know, I just don’t have to tell you”. So I will just take this to mean that you truly DON’T know what’s going on.

  258. I just got on here a few minutes ago. Hang on! (Gosh, I saw that last post, and haven’t even read the rest of the comments.)

    A. Inflammatory phase:

    *inflammation is the vascular and cellular response to rid wound of bad stuff
    *blood clot forms to keep the edges of the wound close together
    *epidermal cells start to migrate
    *vasodilation floods the area with phagocytic cells and fibroblast

    B. Migratory phase:

    *clot becomes scab and epithelial cells continue migrating and bridge the wound
    *fibroblast synthesize scar tissue
    *damaged blood vessels begin to regrow

    C. Proliferative phase:

    *epithelial cells grow under the scab
    *collagenous scar tissue is deposited
    *continued blood vessel growth

    D. Maturation phase:

    *scab falls off
    *collagenous fibers become more organized
    *blood vessels restored to normal
    *scar tissue
    *dense collagenous fibers
    *fewer blood vessels
    *may not contain hair, glands, or sensory receptors

    HERE: During the proliferative phase, special skin cells migrate into the
    wound beneath the crust (scab) and grow. Granulation tissue fills the wound
    and new capillaries form, giving the tissue its red color and granular
    texture. The wound begins to contract and the granulation tissue is soon covered
    with a layer of epithelial tissue (new skin cells).

    and…

    HERE: During the maturation phase, also known as the remodelling phase, new
    collagen is formed to create a scar. The wound slowly regains strength
    as the scar reaches its final size and shape. Scar maturation usually
    takes at least a year. A scar is only about 80% as strong as the original skin.

    Jace, I have supplied too much information as it is, already. If you wanted to learn, you would. Given the position you’re in, with this mess, it’s best that you remain where you are in your thinking. I’d already said it isn’t my job to teach you, and I’m sorry for coming across so rudely.

  259. I see that was it, now. Okay. Sorry, Jace.

    Yay, Sarach!!!! Gurl, how ya doin’? I am so happy you showed back up. I’ve been praying for you, and I have missed you.

  260. Jace, I was in a rush when I came on and misinterpretted your last comment. I’d thought that you’d been saying something else, previously, to me. Anyway, in my rush, I didn’t mean to make reference to the scar formation phase near the bottom of my comment.

    The topic was just about your not understanding that scabs are not to be removed, to begin with, and stuff pulled out from the hole underneath them. Why Dr. Wymore and you don’t know it, only you guys can figure that one out.

    You’d previously mentioned (if I recall, correctly) that patients’ scabs didn’t resemble any scab that you’d ever had, or seen, or something to that effect, due to the protrusion underneath them. Well, I’ll venture to say that you don’t repeatedly pull them off, and get things out of your skin, thinking it’s something you have to do.

  261. Smiley- thank you very much for answering me. I thought you meant something unique rather than the normal healing process. You’re right, I have learned those stages since at least the 7th grade (and taught them to my A&P students over and over again). I apologise for misunderstanding you, and for whatever I did that led you to the conclusion that I know absolutely nothing about skin. I do know much about the healing process.- I just don’t have a grasp on abnormal healing, constant picking, etc. I’ve never had any instruction in abnormal skin pathology regardless of the reason behind it. Again, I’m sorry if I’ve been a jerk- there was big misunderstanding on my part. You also are making some pretty strong assumptions as to where I stand im all this. You keep talking about me acting like a morgie and behaving like a morgie, but in all honesty I must say that I stay skeptical- if I weren’t I wouldn’t be a good scientist. Since you don’t want to “play with me” anymore, I’ll leave you alone. Thank you for answering me though I do appreciate it.

  262. Sarach, I have worried about you! But stay off the Internet if it is so troubling! It’s wonderful to hear that you are doing better :)

  263. Smiles- I do understand scabs aren’t to be removed, believe me. I spend quite a bit of time telling my little ones to leave their scabs alone. I do the same thing with the morgies I speak to while at work. I have never advocated scab picking. I think we just continue to misunderstand each other, so I’ll quit.

  264. Hi Jace,

    I think there have been misunderstandings all around here.

    For the record, while I disagree that “Morgellons” exists, and I think the “Morgies” have conferred sainthood on Dr Wymore, which may be a burden he’s not qualified to bear, I do believe that Dr Wymore and his office have the best of intentions. I find no fault with that.

    It’s okay to disagree on things, it does not mean I think you a charlatan, or an otherwise bad person in anyway.

    There is a lot of emotion involved in this matter, and I do hope for you the ability to sort through the truly poignant emotional pleas, to get down to facts. That’s what science has to do, that’s what science is.

    Best of luck to you

    regards
    weezy

  265. Jace, Wymore needed a grad study project. Consider the alternative, without me spelling it out, although, he’s made his attempts at deception, very, very clear.

  266. Smileykins, You are just evil. You need to go talk to your Jesus loving friend. You are the epitome of E V I L Go get healed. I pray for you. Nasty horrible control freak obsessive compulsive. Nasty nasty nasty mean hearted person. Go to Hell.

  267. Pardon the intrusion:

    Jace, I know you have a very busy schedule, but I need to clear this up. I’d asked this, three times. You, then, wanted to know more about how scabs happen to form that way, literally almost begging me, after I’d given in, and posted enough of it in-your-face. Jace, it’s too reminiscent of past things you’ve said, that would have been better left alone. I’m sorry.

    Topic: Factitious Disorders

    Comment #46 – THE SCABS

    #170 Smileykins Says:
    August 25th, 2006 at 9:43 am

    In the meantime, Jace…

    For the third time:

    Do you have any idea what the picture in this link is, with the caption, “Microscopic view of a dry, membranous-like material formed over an open skin lesion of the type associated with what a small group of people call Morgellons disease.”?

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06204/707970-85.stm

    Do you know what this same thing is, that’s pictured and described at other developmental stages of interference?

    http://www.rense.com/general72/callus.htm

    Topic: Factitious Disorders

    #50# jace Says:

    September 1st, 2006 at 12:05 pm

    Smiley. I didn’t respond to you the last couple of times because I was gently asked to back off this site. So from now on anything that comes from me is my OPINION only. I think that’s the only way I can continue to post here. My opinion is that I don’t know. (now see, that really wasn’t worth waiting for) The ones I’ve seen in the lab are on the bottom of what the morgies call “calluses”, which to me look mostly like typical scars except for those projections on the bottom. I’m not sure what they are, but they’re not a typical scab formation. My scabs don’t anchor themselves down into deeper layers of the skin. We’ve seen these more than once, but I truly don’t know what they are.

    #57jace Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 7:21 pm

    The stuff that I do does not require me to identify such things. It’s absolutely ludicrous to expect someone to know everything about a topic that is only peripherally related to the exact work they do. If I were a microbiologist or anatomist than you would be justified in expecting me to be able to identify those scabs, scars, calluses, whatever they are.

    #202jace Says:
    September 3rd, 2006 at 3:56 pm

    Smiley- that was not me being “extremely upset”. That wasn’t even me a little upset. It wasn’t even meant to be defensive, all I was saying is that I don’t know what they are, and that I am not responsible for that type of analysis in my job. If you want to tell me what those pictures are, I’d appreciate it, because I really do want to know and I don’t have the time to read through derm books to see what the answer is.

    #242jace Says:
    September 3rd, 2006 at 11:03 pm

    You claim to want to help, yet when I ask you to tell me what those pictures of you tell me it’s something I have to work out on my own. Why? Okay, I still have no clue what you wanted me to say about the scab pics. I can’t believe because I didn’t correctly “name your scab” my intelligence is called into question. I teach at a community college, and have taken a very intense histology class, and I’ve never seen those structures except on the internet. It truly amazes me that you won’t tell me what the pictures you linked to are. If you really truly believe that morgellons is not in any way, shape or form a distinct diseae, wouldn’t it make sense for you to tell me what your pictures are, and maybe we can get an answer one way or another soon. If you don’t want to believe what’s been going on in the lab, that’s your perogative. (and not something I will post on the internet again) But you have no reason to belittle me. I could very easily reciprocate your insulting comments, but I’m a more caring person that that.

    (Jace. Wait a minute. I never “claimed to want to help”. Ya sucked me in though, then, kinda-sorta twisted it, ignoring the “non-mentionable” section.)

    #265jace Says:
    September 4th, 2006 at 2:56 pm

    Smiley- thank you very much for answering me. I thought you meant something unique rather than the normal healing process. You’re right, I have learned those stages since at least the 7th grade (and taught them to my A&P students over and over again). I apologise for misunderstanding you, and for whatever I did that led you to the conclusion that I know absolutely nothing about skin. I do know much about the healing process.- I just don’t have a grasp on abnormal healing, constant picking, etc. I’ve never had any instruction in abnormal skin pathology regardless of the reason behind it.

    You also are making some pretty strong assumptions as to where I stand im all this. You keep talking about me acting like a morgie and behaving like a morgie, but in all honesty I must say that I stay skeptical- if I weren’t I wouldn’t be a good scientist.

    Jace,

    Concerning my assumptions, all that I have to go on, about you, is from this blog. I respect people who say what they mean, and mean what they say, and so on, and so forth, etc. I thought you’d said where you stood in all this…

    Topic: Nancy Hinkle on Delusory Parasitosis

    #91 jace Says:
    August 28th, 2006 at 7:16 am

    No wallabys here, so I guess we will have bigger problems in this country. Your last link frightens me a little about putting wallaby lactation genes into cows. I really feel like all this genetic manipulation has got to stop. Our species has survived so far without having to mess with mother nature.

    And as for your statement that there is no morgellons, well I believe there is. I don’t ask you or anyone else to believe it, but I still believe despite the MRF scandal that something is happening. As I’ve said before, it makes no difference to me either way- my job remains the same no matter what. I believe in what I see and do everyday. I am not however forcing my beliefs on to anyone else. If they don’t believe, it’s not an issue for me.

    Considering the group of people you represent, I think the inaccuracies in your everyday postings, here, are very relevant. Your words sort of have a way of changing, and you backtrack, and twist the end results. These people need someone they can trust, and not someone that tries to be deceptive.

    I apologize Jace, but if we aren’t sure of what we’re saying, people will quite often see that as an indication of our level of integrity. Now, granted, that isn’t an issue to a lot of people. Morgie people may not be able to distinquish such traits, due to “brain fog”. Plenty of other people may see no problem with not standing by our words, or with changing things to suit us in the outcome. Feel free to continue, and I won’t bother you anymore. (In comment #202, you said that comment #57 was “not even a little upset”? Oh, Jace. Hehehe.)

  268. Oh, NoLoc, ya hurt me so bad.

  269. Bacillus thuringiensis delta-endotoxin homolog-scanning mutants

    hurts

  270. Its all bout bio was natural food. Its not called Cry.xxx by accident.

  271. What symptoms does it cause you to have, Houston, and how long have you had them?

  272. Smiley-

    We have been down that road before. I dont have it, my mother does. No more questions about my mother.

    Do you or any of your friends or family have it?

  273. I’m sorry she has it Houston. No, nobody I know has it. I had something that a lot of people would have said was it, four years ago. It seemed like it, but it wasn’t, because it was something else. Has your mother had it for very long?

  274. Smiley- believing “something” when that “something” is still in question and being skeptical are not mutually exclusive. End of discussion.

  275. Houston,

    If I could quit meth, your mother ought to be able to quit corn.

    Tall Cotton

  276. Jace,

    Are you saying that you believe in something but you’re skeptical? Can you explain that?

    Tall Cotton

  277. P.S. How do you like my coyote?

  278. jace,
    the morgellon scab is quite different from a normal superficial lesion scab. the process that scabbiekins described to that of a deep scar forming process with does include collagenous fibers making up a portion of the non normal healed area called a scar. superficial healing beneath a scab includes migration of epithelial cells especially germinative cells, underneath the scab which contains fibrin and dried red blood cells and some leucocytes. However in the morgellons scab/callus there are papillary proturions that extend downward into the dense irregular connective tissue of the dermis. these protrusions appear to block the migration of epidermal cells thus allowing the protrusions to act like roots extending into the deep dermis, attaching the scab/callus inplace and preventing the normal off growth the scab.
    hopefully this link will take you to a photomicrograph of a normal superficial scab with the newly forming epidermal stratum germativum under it. note that there are not protrusions from the scab extending down into the dermis.
    http://www.siumed.edu/~dking2/intro/images/IN017b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.siumed.edu/~dking2/intro/IN017b.htm&h=398&w=600&sz=66&tbnid=BnlX8iOl3q6vgM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dscab%2Bhistology%26nojs%3D1%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8
    [Edited by Michael: Fixed link below:]
    http://www.siumed.edu/~dking2/intro/images/IN017b.jpg

  279. Maybe you should ask a dermatologist about these amazing new scabs you’ve discovered.

    Those are not “roots” those are just big globs of the usual stuff one finds in a wound as part of the healing process. You just don’t normally see it, as most people are not compelled to repeatedly pick at such large scabs.

    Keep picking at a spot and you’ll get a deep wound (an ulcer, really), it will fill with goop (serum).

    It’s not the “protrusions” that stop your scab from healing, it’s that you keep picking the scab off to look underneath it.

    Again, what does the doctor say about these unusual scabs?

  280. When Jace came to this blog, she’d said we all had it all wrong. I asked what background she had on this, and, eventually discovered that she works with Wymore, so she didn’t need any of the background. He never got any. Otherwise, there would be no OSU study, in my opinion.
    (Unless…..yada, yada, “that unknown Wymore factor”)

    I believe in the facts that have already been reported. That’s because I’ve always found, though, that facts work well. Facts aren’t always nice, but facts are real. I don’t like people being taken, and especially when it’s so easy to do it to them.

    Jace does not understand why I think she’s deluded. These people can be, and will be, strung along by unscruplous people in search of, or treating, an unknown, non-existent pathogen, while they continue on with unaddressed issues, in many cases.

  281. Delusion and science can co-exist. Some religious beliefs also have to be delusional, yet religious people can still do science.

    Calling Jace “deluded” is semantic. We are all deluded at some levels. I don’t think Jace has any particularly strong delusion regarding Morgellons. She just falls into the “this” trap of labeling “something” as the thing she believes in without knowing what it is. The “something” may turn out to be fiberglass poisoning, or novel manifestation of Lyme, or coincidence, or mass hysteria, and that “something” is what Jace believes in, and is trying to nail down.

  282. If it is menopause, eczema, fiberglass poisoning, and/or any other already named disorder, it’s not Morgellons.

  283. Jace didn’t know why I’d said I’d thought she was deluded, the other day. I think when anybody is involved in a matter that they don’t even need to know all there is to know about, and they come across the way she does, they may have blinders on, purposely. But aside from that (and even aside from “morgellons disease”, actually), she didn’t know about scabs. To me, that is a very strange. To me, twisting the outcome of the conversation, ignoring anything about excoriations (plus various other ways that she has presented herself), is just kind of troubling, I find, with her being in the position of helping these patients. She seems confused, and she changes things that she has said, quite a bit. I wouldn’t like to be in her position, and if I were, and had to be, I would go along and not want my eyes open to anything about Mary Leitao, or any of the other facts about this either. But I would not come in here unless I knew what I was talking about. (Sorry. It’s bedtime. That just made my brain flipflop.)

    #55Smileykins Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 2:13 pm

    Jace, I’m sorry you’ve had a rough week. I’d suggested a while back thatyou & Wymore needed to think back to the basics on what you’d learned, and forgotten, about skin anatomy and functions, and wound repair processes. I’m also sorry you’ve returned, after stating you had to leave due to a conflict of interest. I really feel as though it’s in your best interest to not view anything on this blog, but, delusional states do things to the conscience. Do I think you’re purposely deluding yourself? I have no idea.

    You may have thought I’d asked you about the excoriation scab photos to get your professional opinion. I just needed to see if you had the audacity to defend people who self-mutilate, and mutilate their kids, physically, and, mentally. You did.

    #56Smileykins Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 4:59 pm

    Jace, I apologize for incorrectly employing the word, “defend” up above. I don’t even know the right word to use. I honestly don’t, and I’m sorry. I just knew you were going to be in denial of what those pictures are.

    #57jace Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 7:21 pm

    Wow- so saying that I don’t know something means that I’m defending self-mutilators and child abusers? Where do you even come up with that? *I’m* delusional? About what, may I ask? I don’t know why you keep trying to keep me off this blog, but I’m here because your little anti-morgellons cult should not be allowed to run unchecked. Your fearless leader Michael consistantly says he likes intelligent discussions, but if you do manage to run off everyone who doesn’t agree with you, the debates and intelligent discussions will stop and there will be nothing worth reading on this blog anymore.

    (That was a little odd, too.)

    Hey, boss. Ya never have covered flukes. That would sure liven things up around here. ;)

  284. It all started with a young fluke named George!!

  285. I’m so evil I ran everybody that doesn’t agree with me down in my hell-on-wheels wheelchair. Oh, woe. I truly didn’t mean to do it, it was the OCD, officer!! Reckon my paycheck for this week’s gonna be tiny. Four days till Morgfest.

  286. HAHAHAHAHA, not you Houston. I’m laughing at Smiley.

  287. Jace,

    Ask Doc if he is familiar w/ this scab? It’s in our drinking water and blows out from my A/C vents sometimes?

    The original ones are from pools in Africa but after some practice, our biotech F-sticks learned how to grow them in the lab. Now they use them in water sanitation to clean and eat the other harmaful things. (algeas, etc.,)

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sicb.org/meetings/2005/symposia/Okuda.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.sicb.org/meetings/2005/symposia/desiccation.php3&h=567&w=441&sz=30&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=KHJgv5KdgMhZmM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlarvae%2Bof%2BPolypedilum%2Bvanderplanki%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26sa%3DN

    PS: when it opens up, if its small, you can click onto the photo and it should enlarge.
    __________________________________________

    I heard that Cliff and the gang were not going to attend the festival? Does that surprise a damn soul????

    hehe predictions are falling into place.

  288. Hey TC – I thought exactly the same thing when I dropped by before (London)!!! You gotta love her!!! Hope you doing ok London? Thinking of you.

    Smileykins – Thank you for your prayers, I really appreciate your kind words.

    Check you again tomorrow.

    Good night all. xx

  289. Hello- Hope your weekend went great!
    I have a question- Why does the Oklahoma State University (the one where Doc. Wymore and Jace work), have
    the MRF logo and hyperlink on their website? I mean, jeeze, I thought they split from the thief? Hmmmm…..
    Maybe it’s me, but something just does’nt add up.
    London

    PS: Hi and hope you are doing good too, we sure have missed you lil Sarah C.

  290. Jace,

    Oh look!

    PDF] Secrets To A Pest Free HomeFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
    Oklahoma State University. Penn State University Extension … The larvae of the chironomid, Polypedilum. vanderplanki Hinton, comes in after being able to …
    *******************************

    that scab is called Polypedilum vanderplanki, someone at the University would probably know about it, I mean they did dabble in marketing and produced a document titled:
    “Secrets to a pest free home”.

  291. Precisely, like Texastar said, that above link is of a photomicrograph of a normal superficial scab, and “note that there are not protrusions from the scab extending down into the dermis”.

    What Texastar is talking about in this statement, “However in the morgellons scab/callus there are papillary proturions that extend downward into the dense irregular connective tissue of the dermis. these protrusions appear to block the migration of epidermal cells thus allowing the protrusions to act like roots extending into the deep dermis, attaching the scab/callus inplace and preventing the normal off growth the scab”, is what happens when somebody pulls things out of their skin that are NEVER meant to be pulled out, like this very disturbing 6 minute tweezer video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3E4JLVk1DM

    People have go back to square one, the place to always begin, when they’re having problems finding the answers to their dilemmas.

    1. What created the breach to their skin to begin with?
    2. How deep was the injury?
    3. Why was the injury not left alone to heal?

    * Cliff Mickelson’s “callus” should not work into anybody’s picture, by any means.

  292. margarette, shittykins, ballrotton, sarahbitch, and company… so you clowns had nothing better to do this holiday weekend than work on the continuing dis-info campaign?… doesn’t look like it was too productive… so many points to prove still… and yet, you havn’t proven anything thus far… in fact, the busier you little bitches are, typing and bs’ing your way through all hours of the day and night, only futher reveals your intentions… at least you are not picking on the victims as much as you used to… no pun intended… because you know that will only serve to turn around and bite you in the ass x10 if you do… certainly, there is a war on the horizon…

    jace… i will ask you again if you don’t mind… why entertain these clowns’ questions?… anything you say will be twisted and used against you… isn’t it obvious?… their intentions are evil… nothing good here in the way of discussion, debate, or conversation… just pre-war propaganda…

  293. Picking on victims??? Now, Sugar, I beg to differ with you. I care very much for this group of people. Cite to me, in plain words that I can see, where I have picked on anyone, and I will try to make amends.

    There are a lot of conditions that make us itch, but not too many that cause people to do that. People within the group comprising those who think they have “morgellons disease”, need health care advocates.

    Skin is not supposed to be injured. When it is, it has to heal. If it doesn’t, the cause of interference is not difficult to ascertain, because it’s usually due to diabetes, or infection. If that is not the cause, but rather, people are injuring themselves, such people need to consider why they’re doing it. If it’s a repetitious cycle, of course, each time a scab is removed to see what is underneath it, down inside there will be a “cord-like”, if you will, scar tissue formation deep inside the “scab hole”. It would not happen, if healing were allowed to occur.

  294. But of course, that scar tissue that resullted from pulling out things, that should have never been, like in the tweezer video, will feel hard, inside of a person’s skin, if they did allow it to heal That doesn’t mean it is supposed to keep being removed. One morgie person has to walk with a limp, from doing this exact thing. It’s dangerous!!!
    Read here.

    http://www.hvinet.com/lizlipton/psychogenic%20excoriation.htm

  295. MAFer,

    There are still a lot of points to prove, and it’s up those making the unusual claims to prove them. Thus far, you have totally failed to do that. It’s not up to us to prove anything, although Michael has presented by far the strongest evidence. If Wymore is your secret weapon, it’s obvious that you’ve already lost the war.

    Tall Cotton

  296. Hey everyone, I have been away all weekend, and was just hoping everyone enjoyed the Holiday weekend.

    MAfer,
    why do you think people are being picked on. The only person here that picks on anyone is you. The only time I fire at anyone, is when somone like you is firing at someone. Why are you only looking at one side of the spectrum. People here have seen both sides, and have drawn their conclusions. Unlike Lymbusters, this is not a liberal board, and both parties are free to express thier finding, conclutions, and opnions. What are you exactly against??

  297. Now hang on some more MAFer.

    … so many points to prove still… and yet, you havn’t proven anything thus far…

    Our intentions have been clear from the beginning, which is to deal in truth. Truth doesn’t need proven, only revealed. Something other than the truth, is where the burden-of-proof lies. This is a “morgellons disease debunking site”, is it not? Naming specific names of persons and acting ugly has been done by those such as yourself, concerning any “picking on” of persons. I can disagree with someone, for any number of reasons, but that doesn’t qualify as “picking on a victim”. It’s clear who I have made personal slurs against, from MRF, and has been all along.

  298. Sean, did you mean to say this IS a liberal board?

    lib·er·al (lĭb’ər-əl, lĭb’rəl)
    adj.

    1.a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
    1.b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

    http://www.answers.com/liberal

    Of were you refering to the political usage of the word:


    A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/liberalism
    :)

  299. carry on then… waste your time (or collect your paycheck)… whatever suits you… but you will ultimately lose… the strange skin structures, the fibers, the lesions from hell, etc… presumably, for some these symptoms can be explained with existing science… but there is a new disorder here… a new parasite/pathogen at play here… i know you would like to write it off as anything but morgellons disease (that is your job)… but you won’t… and you can’t…

    the absurdity here is simple… you clowns are so positive that a new disease cannot possibly exist or play a role here, that you will not even consider such… yet you are not doctors… you are a retired computer has-been and an ex-soccer mom turned cripple in love with a worthless meth freak… and now morgellonswatch are your fulltime jobs… that’s not science…

    and you find it odd that you might be accused of working for the industry or agency responsible for this pathogen… i find that odd… look at your quantity of posts… look at the posts’ time of day… you obviously work here… if the person or persons responsible for the morgellons pathogen were standing before me now… well, i will spare you the graphic detail..

    save your lame ass comments… the truth will be proven… enjoy another day of employment while your boss still has a bank account to pay you with…

  300. here you go sean… here is another definition for you… to go with liberal… now you can say this website is biased as well as liberal… (liberal is the opposite of conservative btw…)

    Dictionary

    bi·ased also bi·assed (bī’əst)
    adj.
    Marked by or exhibiting bias; prejudiced: gave a biased account of the trial.

    Thesaurus
    Directory > Words > Thesaurus > biased biased also biassed

    adjective

    Exhibiting bias: one-sided, partial, partisan, prejudiced, prejudicial, prepossessed, tendentious. See like/dislike, straight/bent.
    Angled at a slant: beveled, bias, diagonal, oblique, slanted, slanting. See straight/bent.

    Antonyms
    Directory > Reference > Antonyms > biased biased
    adj
    Definition: prejudiced
    Antonyms: fair, impartial, unbiased

    Word Tutor
    Directory > Words > Word Tutor > biased biased

    IN BRIEF: To favor one thing over another due to personal opinion.

    As far as criticism is concerned, we don’t resent that unless it is absolutely biased. — John Vorster

  301. MAFer said:

    presumably, for some these symptoms can be explained with existing science… but there is a new disorder here… a new parasite/pathogen at play here…

    I’d be happy if there was. There is just no evidence at the moment.

    You keep saying (effectivly) “Morgellons is real”. I’d have no problem if something was discovered, and it was named Morgellons. But right now, the term “Morgellons” just refers to “a possible new unidentified parasite or pathogen, or something”. You keep saying “something” is there, but it’s not a distinct disease, it’s not well defined, “it” is not anything. Everyone has a different take on “it”.

    Now the MRF seems to be closing down, who gets to define “this”?

  302. Sorry, I meant in a political sense where liberal’s(democrats) try to distort the truth, misquote author’s, and try to influence others that they need a higher body of power to help control thier lives. My statment comes from anything written by Ann Coulter and from Sean Hannity’s radio program. Basically, I am saying that Lymbusters will not let other’s express any bias opnion about the MRF and Morgellons. Sorry if I was confusing anyone.

  303. A higher body of power like Jesus?

    I’d like to keep religion and politics out of things, but this little flurry of definitions helps to illustrate the importance of knowing what is meant by a particular word, and the difficulty of communicating when people mean different things with the same word, and assume other people mean further different things. For many people there is an automatic bias in their interpretation of whatever people say.

    Morgies believe that everything I say is dedicated to disproving Morgellons, and labling them as “mental cases”.

    All I want to do is provide accurate information so people can make informed health care decisions.

    But people are convinced I’m evil or corrupt somehow, and so for them, no matter what I say, they will not believe me.

    Anyway, back to science, please.

  304. Sorry, if you want to erase my post, please do so. I will just keep my statement that Lumbusters do not let everyone express thier opnions or findings if they are not pro morgellons. I apologize to everyone for any mis-understanding as to what I was trying to say.

    But, MAFer still did not answer my question. What exactly are you against? Why do you think Michael, Smilly, and others are out to hurt you???

  305. Here are a couple of relevant things that Jace said on the Nancy Hinkle Delusory Parasitosis topic:

    Comment #91

    I really feel like all this genetic manipulation has got to stop. Our species has survived so far without having to mess with mother nature.

    #103

    TC- it is possible for a known pathogen to mutate and become something quite different. I just think it’s a possibility in this case. Bacteria are becoming antibiotic resistant, more virulent, etc. Morgellons doesn’t have to be a new organism for it to have entirely different manifestations. Thank you for your response- but you didn’t play “imagine” very well. I KNOW you don’t believe there is a morgellons- I was just asking you what you would think if you WERE a believer. You were at one time, right? I just want to gain some insight and I think you and Smiley are invaluable.

    She wanted TC “to play imagine”, and said, “I was just asking you what you would think if you WERE a believer”, and, she pointed out to him (of all people), “you were at one time, right?”

    Hang on Sloopy!! See? Jace tried acting like she had familiarized herself with our backgrounds when she’d unjustifyingly made her real strong accusations against the two of us a couple of times. Back then, TC was on meth and misinterpretting things, and I’d had an underlying health condition making me do it. We both acknowledge what happened back then. Zero denial, here, and we’d both searched our rear-ends off on the internet, just exactly like morgies do.

    He’d been honest, in his reply #102, to her, in saying, “As for my opinion, one pathogen, several pathogens, neither scenario makes sense. I don’t think Morgellons is a distinct disease or a syndrome. I don’t believe any pathogens are involved, other than those that cause already known illnesses. I believe that the so-called Morgellons patients are suffering from a multitude of known illnesses.”

    Afterall, haven’t most of these people received diagnoses? I mean,let’s drop Mary Leitao’s interference with their minds, and go back to each separate person’s beginning.

    PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS.

    Also, as a footnote, I happen to see great value, myself, in the science of genetics, and especially in the field of stem-cell research. Jace appears inclined to the mindset of fear that is prevalent among this group of patients she is involved with.

    P.S. I’m a die-hard Democrat

  306. yes… the term morgellons refers to a ufo… an unidentified foreign/fibrous object… and right now, that is exactly what it is… a ufo… yet you will not concede that morgellons could be a new and yet undiscovered disease… that the current lot of those claiming to have morgellons by way of a similar set of defined symptoms just isn’t the least bit credible as described… that all of these skin anomolies and systemic ailments are all explainable by simple explanations and current science… and, wouldn’t that be great if it were that simple… we could all live healthy and happy lives knowing that we are all going to be just fine under the care of our current finite health care system…

    pretty narrow minded and not at all scientific… just your biased opinion really… considering the amount of time you spend here, if this is not your job, then it must be at the least, your new found hobby… and, you must enjoy the home field advantage don’t you?…

    click on my name from time to time and see that i will soon have many playing fields myself…

  307. Hehehe, and I’m a non-denominational Christian, whose kid was grown before “soccer moms” was coined.

    I’m also a cripple, who’s just kidding around for attention, with a bad case of OCD, who picks on “morgellons disease” victims 24/7, and I’m well paid, being involved in the conspiracy behind the whole thing. I’m on crack, and meth, I’m a wanna be exorcist (even though I’m pure evil, myself), and that is probably because I’m also a schizophrenic.

    Is everybody happy?!!

    Oh, I’ve been a guy a few times, too, and, I think a lesbian?

    Countdown to Morgfest.

  308. Hey, I’m all for “whatever-works-for-ya”. I don’t like people being victims and turning their power over to somebody else, when they have the key to their problems and don’t know it. It ain’t right, but like I said, if it works for ya, then, what’s the problem? Also, what’s all this talk about, “you’re going down” and “war talk”? Huh? ‘Splain that.

  309. Oh, MAFer, I’m here because I’m an evil cripple with OCD and it pays well.

  310. well sure sk… you have to make your money somehow… have you ever considered prostitution?… much more ethical than what you are doing here…

  311. MAFer said:

    yet you will not concede that morgellons could be a new and yet undiscovered disease…

    I just did. I concede that.

    If, by “Morgellons”, you mean “something that some of the people who believe they have Morgellons actually have”, then yes, I think it’s quite possible that some of them have a new and yet undiscovered disease.

    I’ve just not seen any evidence of this.

  312. Just because a person has a known disease doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s a cure. It doesn’t even mean that there’s an effective treatment. Sometimes happiness requires acceptance, and learning to live with a medical condition the best one can. This isn’t about “could be’s”. It’s about the FACT that there is absolutely ZERO evidence of Morgellons being anything new, much less a disease, and a lot of deluded people trying to prove otherwise. It’s about vulnerable people being convinced that they should ignore their medical diagnoses, not take their needed medications, and hope that Morgellons is not only a disease, but a curable disease. The pro-morgellons movement is a waste, and it’s damaging a lot of lives.

  313. Why, of course I prostitute, MAFer, those drugs are expensive, and I take a lot of cuts in pay, here, for my grammatical errors.

    Keeping my OCD in perfect tune…

    “you will not concede that morgellons could be a new and yet undiscovered disease…”

    RIGHT.

    “that the current lot of those claiming to have morgellons by way of a similar set of defined symptoms just isn’t the least bit credible as described…”

    EXACTLY.

    “that all of these skin anomolies and systemic ailments are all explainable by simple explanations and current science…”

    PRECISELY.

    “and, wouldn’t that be great if it were that simple… we could all live healthy and happy lives knowing that we are all going to be just fine under the care of our current finite health care system…”

    I COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT BETTER, MYSELF.

    The “morgellons movement” is dreaming, having had the thought planted into their collective psyche that doctors have failed them. Nuh-uh, they walked away, ignored, and, worsened.

  314. Don’t get confused, now, people, this was me talking, and not “my boss”…

    “you will not concede that morgellons could be a new and yet undiscovered disease…”

    RIGHT.

    Y’all gots me being so many things, I gotta remember to point out who I actually am.

    I’m “Miss Vitamin”, “Smells”, “Smelly”, Smellycan”, “Scabbican”, “Ass Clown”, “Shittykins”…..I can’t keep up with all I am. Y’all do that to everyone in your personal lives, too, who don’t know how to handle what you have going on with yourselves?

  315. well, okay then! I worked today and boy is it miserable when one is so weak. Must be my delusions acting up.

    Hey, My friend Skytroll posted a hyperlink on Bio-online and possibly the CDC’s site (aka: Slimebusters)the other day. The post was about how this new field of medicine is coming out of the woodword called: Pycho Dermatology
    Now that may not be the correct wording, but one knows what I’m referring to. I think this is quite strange and very curious as to why this field of medicine is growing?

    Also, soooo damn many things all go back to the HIV/AIDS virus now. Let’s see: Eosoniphil folliculitis> AIDS
    Gingivitis> Aids

    Sexually transmitted Diseases now from Insects?
    (Yeah, mosquito sex is the new rage) I mean, c’mon, is no one else noticing this strange stuff? And, Leishmaniasis (the real worm) is now said to cause HIV. Boy, whomever created this new batch of HIV is covering all their bases-that’s for sure.

    And, have you guys heard there is a new type of Lyme Disease that is spreading around Austrailia that there is no cure for?

    ****************Okay, question for smart person here:

    Even if you do not believe, indulge me for a moment here. Let’s say one of us went to the Doc and was diagnosed with “Molecular worms”-whatever, you know what I’m saying, well, here is what I want to know. If that was the case, would one still be treated with meds just like they would be with a real filarial worm? ( or whatever type of real one)

    If that answer is no, then why the hell is OK state recommending Ivermectin or whatever it was that was said about them recommending worming medication.

    Thanks if you can answer that
    ****************************************

    TC,

    Hi, I took note of your post re: accept and live w/ it b/c there quite possibly is no cure. But I want to know if there is a way that we can prevent it from getting worse? I think I can live with my present illness, but not if it’s going to get worse. And, I have been meaning to tell you for the longest time, I’m very proud of you for accomplishing the meth addiction. God knows that was probably the hardest thing that one can do. With that being said, I was wondering how long it took to feel and think normal again? Do you still crave it? Hell, I heard that that can even cause HIV now. Yeah, right, but, I did hear that. Thanks if you can answer that and I understand if you do not want to.
    *******************************************

    Wheres Smokingman? come out and play with us…you-hoo

    London

    oh, yeah, one last thing, do the people that think they have this new Morg (or whatever disease) have any legal course of action with the CDC if they are not looking into it after saying they would?

  316. All fields of medicine are growing. The field of cancer treatment is growing, does this mean there is more cancer now? No, it just means we know more about it, and have a wider range of treatments.

    Psychodermatology is very important:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8647969&dopt=Abstract

    It has been estimated that in at least one third of dermatology patients, effective management of the skin disorder involves consideration of associated emotional factors

    It sounds like it NEEDS to grow!

    The term itself has been around for over 60 years, the practice even longer (See: Emotional Factors in Skin Disease, by Eric David Wittkower & Brian Russell, 1953, page 214).

    “after many years of research in psychosomatic medicine, [he] accidently drifted into psychodermatology when in 1937 it was suggested to him to study the psychological aspect of rosecea”

  317. Thanks Michael!

    Then why the new surge of pharmacies popping up everywhere? Big, noticeable increase too?

  318. New surge of pharmacies? Can’t say I’ve heard of that. Where did you see that?

    There were 57,208 pharmacies in 2004, I don’t know that they’ve been counted since.

  319. There is a need for psychodermatology, a great need, but it isn’t due to a thing called, “morgellons disease”, nor because of anything that is not already known about. People who believe they have “morgellons disease”, though, would benefit greatly from it. No doctor in their right mind would reinforce the belief in it, though.

    This excerpt from a link on diseases of the skin can help explain “some” of the need for the this field of medicine.

    http://www.eamg-med.com/members/encyclopedia/23/23.shtml

    Threatening personal autonomy

    Not to be able to resist normal stresses and traumas is a common inconvenience. It accounts for the need for sufferers from atopic eczema, even when in remission, to avoid occupations such as hairdressing, nursing, food handling, and mechanical engineering. For those with a lower intelligence quotient unemployment may be the consequence. Wear and tear of the skin is the most common consequence of work and those who have lowered resistance are unable to work. A severe example of such lowered resistance is epidermolysis bullosa. The Koebner phenomenon, which is the development of skin disease at sites of injury, accounts in part for the common problem of adult psoriasis.

    To communicate and to be welcome

    Because our skin is on the surface it is there for display. Through it we make contact with others. It is observed and touched. If there are defects in it the observer may not like what he sees and will not touch. Many children with such defects experience insults from other children who refuse to hold hands or play with them. Adults experience more subtle signals which may prevent a normal sex life and interfere with employment (Fig. 7) 2634. Isolation causes earlier death.

    The greatest handicap of all is to be unwelcome. It matters not whether this is actually so or a belief of the patient without any actual experience of rejection; it is the commonest social effect of skin disease. The whiteness of the skin of vitiligo, the blood on the sheets and scale on clothing and furniture left by the psoriatic are a huge disadvantage. The albino is an outcast in Africa and the severe psoriatic is similarly rejected in the United Kingdom.

    The patient with skin disease is unemployable in any job in which he or she is in the public eye or involved in food preparation. For the many whose skin is vulnerable to the minor wear and tear of quite ordinary living, there is a long list of jobs which should be discouraged.

    The physician who does nothing to alleviate the handicap of skin disease ignores an appreciable problem which often only a little knowledge and care can do much to remedy.

    Prevalence

    It is difficult to obtain an estimate of prevalence of skin disease and the extent of the handicap. But an examination of more than 20 000 Americans between the ages of 1 and 74 revealed that 60 per cent had a significant skin condition, actually least frequent among children and most common in the old. In about 10 per cent the condition limited activity and was a physical handicap. Often skin complaints persisted for more than 5 years. Diseases of the hand were the greatest handicap. It has been estimated in the United States that 6.8 million Americans were handicapped in their social relationships because of a skin condition. Diseases of the skin account for almost half of all reported cases of industrial illness in the United States, and the cost of this, estimated by the National Institutes of Health, is more than 2542 billion per annum. In a country which is well endowed with dermatologists, 60 per cent of the skin conditions are in fact dealt with by general physicians. These conditions are the commonest reason for consultation.

    Pssst…anybody catch this? “the blood on the sheets and scale on clothing and furniture left by the psoriatic are a huge disadvantage” (sound familiar, anyone?)

  320. Quote it. smiley says, “I never “claimed to want to help”

    southcity says, “This is by far the most revealing statement made to date concerning the people responsible for this website.”

    By the way, this is going around in southern cal too….

  321. Hi Folks – I am now Sarahbitch am I MAFer?!!! Maybe I could meet up with Smilykins and we could solicit ourselves on the streets – that make you happy?? DICKHEAD.

    Hey MAFer did you know “Life’s a bitch and then you die”!!! Maybe contact the CDC they will put you in the picture about “Morgellons”, the doctor who rang me was excellent and very helpful.

  322. I want to mention also – I noticed a post recently on another website regarding a simple natural cure for Morgellons. I was really angry when I read it, the person claims to live in QLD Australia. She said to take oral tea tree oil for 4 weeks and also the tansy herb tonic. Well I use tea tree oil for lots of things, BUT I have never heard about it being taken orally, personally I don’t think it should be.

    I did reply to the post in question saying that people should not use that type of treatment without medical supervision. The person replied saying – “I agree, but desperate times call for desperate measures” – so does that mean to say drink poison?!! I actually sent an email to the Thursday Plantation tea tree oil company and asked about tea tree for oral intake and explained why I was asking, I don’t think they would be too happy if people were to start drinking it, and then want to sue them.

  323. London Says:

    “And, Leishmaniasis (the real worm) is now said to cause HIV. Boy, whomever created this new batch of HIV is covering all their bases-that’s for sure.”

    A worm is not a virus. HIV is a virus. Leishmaniasis is not a virus.

  324. Hi there, lil Sarach. I’m so happy you’re still with us. Do you still have the appointment on the 7th?

    Hi, London girl. If morgies are getting Ivermectin, it’s just gonna keep em sicker, longer, in my strong opinion.
    I think it’s guaranteed that Ritalin will, and shouldn’t be admistered to fight chronic fatigue in such patients.

    Southcitay, Jace said I had claimed I wanted to help…..baby, she ain’t THE ONE I wanna help. Hahaha. No way.
    I’m for people treating what they have wrong with them, not playing that game with non-existent crap.

    Hmm, I’ve sure never heard this before. Cigarette smoking is a risk factor for the development of discoid lupus erythematosus. I do know of some morgies with that, as well as a morgie that has reported having Buerger disease, which is caused by smoking. That person had said that their doctor had said to quit smoking, and, that they didn’t want to. (Which was like one with uncontrolled diabetes, who didn’t want to control it.) So, anyway, I just thought this may be of interest to some people, since there are several cutaneous manifestations of smoking. I had neglected to include, earlier, that smoking interferes with wound healing processes, also.

    http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic629.htm

    Here’s a cutaneous manifestation, which is a reactive process, rather than a disease. It’s associated with Borrelia burgdorferi, tatoo dye, jewelry, medications, arthropod bites, trauma, folliculitis, and a couple more things, if anyone wants to look at it. There’s a scabby-thingy in Picture #4, of a mixed inflammatory infiltrate with germinal centers that’s indicative of this reaction. Secondary alopecia is associated with it, also. It’s called, lymphocytoma cutis.

    http://www.emedicine.com/DERM/topic252.htm

  325. Good evening Sarah, I’m sorry. I’d missed you, only seeing London’s name in your post.

    I miss NoLoc. He’s just about the funniest, yet, for wanting rid of us, and he claims to not even have a vested interest in “morgellons disease”.

    So, here’s what we’re planning. At Morgfest, TC & I are going to set up a table with a “Guess The Identity of NoLoc” contest. HAHAHAHA.

    That wasn’t meant for you, Houston, I was just laughing.

  326. sarahconner… how insecure you must be… are you the only sarah here?… and the saying goes, life’s a bitch, then you marry one, then you die… just ask your husband…

    ok smileytits… you wonder why you are a target… you took one of my last posts and para-phrased it to convey your side of things… your last post… laughable… those links have nothing to do with morgellons… you are like a mirror image of london… forget prostitution… i don’t think you could sell ice water in hell… but you might practice just in case…

    the morg festival… didn’t know so many were planning on attending… since sk and tc are attending, i say the donkey punch contest is definately on…

  327. MAFer, there are two Sarah’s here. You are confused.

  328. London,

    When I spoke of incurable diseases, I was not speaking of Morgellons. The Morgies are suffering from real disorders and real diseases that are already known to science. There is no Morgellons disorder or Morgellons Disease. Nada!! I speaking of diseases like eczema and other immune immune system disorders, primarily, for which there is no known cure. I simply meant that with some diseases one has to find the treatment that works best for them and learn to live with the condition until science discovers a cure.

    If you are concerned with HIV, why don’t you simply go get an HIV test? Then quit worrying about it.

    Meth was a bitch to quit. I won’t lie to you. It hasn’t been easy. I used it pretty heavily for 3 years, but I’ve been clean for 2 years.

    I don’t know how long it takes to get over it. Maybe never. It gets easier, with time, but you have to guard your thoughts.

  329. Tall-

    You are a former meth user. Good for you. How does that relate to ANYTHING about this? Maybe your cheating a little. My point is once you have the Cry.xxx protein in your DNA, it doesnt have a shelf life like meth, IT CAN GROW IN YOUR BODY.

  330. Hey guys and dolls,

    I just saw my name above. I cant believe your still at it. All day long???? Oh, wow.

    Golf went great yesterday. It was a great way to spend my labor day. We did a portugese style clam boil after.

    It will take you about the rest of your life to guess who I am at your festival. I have told you repeatedly – yesterday that I was just an amused person surging the net. Why dont ya check my IP and track me down. Get a life. You guys truly are OCD. How great my life could be if I could just sit around looking up different web sites so that I could refute an illness that may or may not be real. Hello. Take a look at your life real quick cause it is passin you by. Glad you picked such a rewarding hobby.

    Yes, I did speak to my friend Jonesy. His wife is a psych doctor. Next time I see her I am going to explain the bizarre symptoms that you Michael, smiley and Tall cotton have. I can almost guarantee that you all three have a serious mental disorder.

    Anywho, It is after midnight here. Red Sox won. and I gonna hit the hay. Get a life. Really. It may have been a nice day where you live today. Look above at what you all have to show for it. Praise Jesus hahhahhahhhahah

  331. Noloc

    Save and organize your thoughts. Logic=dumb.

  332. Oh now I understad how you operate. Logic= dumb. No wonder you spend all day here. No wonder this is your life. I am so sad that you can not find fulfillment in your life. Logic=dumb. Thats your theory and your sticking to it!!!!

  333. No I’m on the other side. I spend 20 minutes a day on this. I’ve posted my opinions and they are rediculed.

  334. margarette… am quite aware there are two sarahs here… sarahconner is the confused one… as usual… the other one is the bitch… or maybe they both are both…

  335. MAFer Says:
    September 5th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
    sarahconner… how insecure you must be… are you the only sarah here?… and the saying goes, life’s a bitch, then you marry one, then you die… just ask your husband

    I don’t have a husband!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha and I don’t want one either!!

    Smileykins – I actually got into see the lady doc early (I took your advice and phoned back saying urgent). My bloods are good apart from low iron (which is a surprise to me) I am still awaiting antinuclear antibodies and antimitochondrial antibodies, depending on outcome I will have to follow up with her of course, and she said she has an infectious disease doctor in mind that she may send me to.

    To be honest I hope I don’t have to go to another doc I would rather just try and get on with my life the best I can, nothing worse than living within ones symptoms. I can not explain my weird symptoms or why I have them, or how I got them – as the doctor from the CDC said to me – sometimes there are certain things in life that we just can not explain or understand, so true.

  336. noloc… true that… the clowns here need to get a life… but golf and baseball games?… c’mon… you get a life… simple games for simple minds i guess… at least bone the wife or something when she gets the shopping done… that way you can say you at least did something productive… unless she is a real barker… then i would probably just stick to playing with balls instead…

  337. Oh thank you MAFer – I am the confused one, and bloody proud of it too. I guess that is what happens when I have been misdiagnosed in the past and given antidepressants and antipsychotics, messed with my head and body, and now I am off them (6 months) still feeling the back lash, BUT very glad to have ME back!!

    So you must be “perfect” then by the sounds of things??

  338. And by the way MAFer why the hell are you so horrible to EVERYONE – what the hell have I done to YOU???

    A change of attitude might just help your current ailment or symptoms you know.

  339. sarahconner… ok, fine… you have no husband… i’m sure he is happy about that too… i know i would be…

  340. I appreciate your concern, but, NoLoc, there’s no saving me. I’m evil to the core, and hellbound, remember? MAFer, what a wonderfully, perky new name for me. Who said I’d wondered why I was a target? Now don’t you dare let my recent paraphrasing suddenly cause a little rift between us. Give up my prostitution? But I do make such good money at it, much better than I get paid by Michael, for working here.

    You’re so right that those links have nothing to do with “morgellons disease”. Neither does psoriasis, with people who have a slow skin cell turnover rate, going to bed in pristine sheets, waking up to a bed full of crap the next day. There are so many diseases and disorders among the group of people who think that they have “morgellons disease, that I can’t list them all. I can’t possibly even know them all. Many of their doctors have diagnosed them though. I can name off quite a few, such as sarcoidosis, lyme disease, lupus, cancer, crohns disease, and the associated effects of some, such as raynauds phenomenon and sjogrens syndrome. Gosh, there are fungal and bacterial infections galore, as well. Eczema, too.

    Lots of morgies have been real curious about smoking having some bearing on their problems. I know for a fact that one said that the doctor diagnosed the skin problem they had as buerger disease, and they weren’t going to stop smoking, as well as what I’d said about the lady who said her family told her that she caused her skin problems because she didn’t treat her diabetes. That second link is a REACTIVE skin disorder that lots of people have from lots of different causes. You have something that’s been diagnosed, too, I presume. There’s no such thing as “morgellons disease”, but there are a lot of things that people who are total strangers think they all have in common. I think people should treat what they have, because I’m sure it’s no fun being miserable. If there were a way for me to go to a doctor with each and every person, we’d find a way to get you better.

    London, sweetie, please read.

    http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic48.htm

  341. IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE ARE EXPERIENCING THESE PROBLEMS, PLEASE CONTRIBUTE TO THE MORGELLONS FUND AT OSU.

  342. dense sarahconner… did it occur to you that i was referring to the other sarah?… fucking purchase a two vowels and two consonants… then put them together to form a clue… need i tell you which ones to buy?…

  343. HAHAHAHA Says:
    September 5th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
    IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE ARE EXPERIENCING THESE PROBLEMS, PLEASE CONTRIBUTE TO THE MORGELLONS FUND AT OSU.

    Sorry HAHAHAHA no can do. I have been a volunteer support person for the Morgies in Aussie, phone calls, emails, etc etc on my time and my money. I think the OSU already has plenty of money, not sure, just a wild guess.

    MAFer – yes please tell me which ones to buy, I can’t think straight at the moment, and I do find you funny!!!

  344. sc… yet you are here… vulnerable, confused, and now brainwashed… good for you… as long as you have someone to blame other than yourself…

  345. “Hi Folks – I am now Sarahbitch am I MAFer?!!! Maybe I could meet up with Smilykins and we could solicit ourselves on the streets – that make you happy?? DICKHEAD.”

    and

    “margarette… am quite aware there are two sarahs here… sarahconner is the confused one… as usual… the other one is the bitch… or maybe they both are both…”

    and

    “how insecure you must be… are you the only sarah here?… and the saying goes, life’s a bitch, then you marry one, then you die… just ask your husband…”

    Sarah Conner, I think that actually I’m the bitch, as I’m a Sarah, and I have a husband. You’re the confused one, I’m the bitch, right? :)

    I’m totally okay with this. I respond very well to name-calling. When I read that he called me a bitch, I smacked my hand on my forehead and said “Oh, man, he’s right! Morgellons exists, because he said I’m a bitch!” It really gives folks the upper hand, don’t you agree? :) (glad you’re doing a wee bit better, BTW).

  346. You know, I’d write a new post if there was something going on in the Morgellons world. Anyone got anything? Do I really have to wait a month for Wymore’s seminar at “More Jam” to learn what’s going on?

    Anyone here going? I’d love to go, but it’s a bit of a ways.

    http://cherokeechas.com/coming.htm

  347. Sarach,

    MAFer has an inferiority complex and he’s overcompensating, trying to keep it from showing. He needs a little bit of attention at home, but it’s obvious he isn’t getting it.

    Tall Cotton

  348. Did I say a slowed skin cell turnover rate? I meant a too rapid one, with psoriasis. It builds up, and gets cruddy. There’s several types, and it is even lethal sometimes. It’s not “morgellons disease”, though. I’ll give a link about it, although Michael’s has provided excellent links to very many skin conditions on his blog. This is the kind of stuff, reading baout, when I was sick, helped me. Looking up silly stuff about parasites was absurd. I sure was convinced at the time, though.

    http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic489.htm

  349. Thank you Sarah B. I am so sorry that it is so obvious I am not used to blog posts and internet forums.

    Yes MAFer I am here not for the reasons you stated either. I don’t blame anyone else for what has happened to me, APART from damage to me through psychiatric medication (misdiagnosis) and certain medical people who just refuse to listen and love to head out pills!! I can’t turn back to the clock though, a good learning experience for others around me I guess.

    The people here have helped me, I was extremely fearful of what was happening with the Morgellons situation, and since I am not in the USA and don’t really have people close by to share this with, I come here, and yes I can get lonely so what is wrong with dropping in and saying hello?

    By the way I have had a husband, BUT gave it up as a bad joke!! I don’t mind being called names either, has happened to me since I was a kid, living in different countries with an English accent kids just loved to tease and other horrible things, it doesn’t bother me anymore, I know I am good person and that is all that matters.

  350. well sarahbitch… wakey, wakey… and your topic starter had a similar effect on me… i spanked my monkey a few times… jumped up and down on my marshmellow lined bed… lit a few farts on fire… then consumed a gallon of gas and did it all over again… because some bitch named sarah has just set the world (and my ass) on fire with her brilliant topic entitled “Psychological Implications in Morgellons Disease, Part II: Factitious Disorders”… so i felt so fucking gay when i found out that morgellons does not really exist and that with a shit-ton of anti-psychotics and supporting therapy, i will be just fine…

    got any more matches bitch?… who do you really think you are fooling?… btw… calling you names doesn’t really bother me either…

  351. smallcotton… at one point in time i had entertained the theory that morgellons was being used by the dea to rid our earth of chemically laden meth trash such as yourself… but unfortunately, that is probably not true… many non-meth users are affected as well… too bad though… no community should have to suffer the stench of a tweaker…

    sluttykins… you really don’t know what the hell you are talking about… quit pretending you do… no one believes you…

    well, punching out for the day… c ya…

  352. Careful MAFer – did you know that lighting farts can be dangerous, and the flame can actually go back up your rectum and burn you??!!

    Maybe Michael could find a link for you with some do’s and don’ts on lighting farts. There we are Michael – a good topic don’t you think??

    You know I am still in disbelief about this Morgellons Festival – does not make any sense at all. If there is going to be one, could those attending please take photos and post on this blog, I need to see the evidence!!!!

  353. Now, you don’t want people to think you’re a bad person, do you, MAFer?

  354. “MoreJamm”, in October? Oh, shoot. They’ve changed the Morgellons Festival from September 9th. I was so excited because it was almost here. I can’t wait that long. It was already too hard on me.

  355. MAFer is just wishing Morgellons was a disease so he could sell his domain names. He’s not a Morgie. He’s trying to exploit Morgies and accommodate other lowlifes that do the same thing.

  356. Oh pooh – and London has been in training for the pickathon and me for the pathogen race! I guess we can both rest for a bit and then get back in training.

  357. tallcotton Says:
    September 5th, 2006 at 11:28 pm
    MAFer is just wishing Morgellons was a disease so he could sell his domain names. He’s not a Morgie. He’s trying to exploit Morgies and accommodate other lowlifes that do the same thing.

    Maybe he should spend some time over at Lymebusters??

  358. Wasn’t Dr Wymore supposed to be doing a clinical trial or study with real people involved???

    Has this happened? or Is it going to happen??

  359. Sarach, I’m ready for beddie, but in look in Michael’ Comment #230. That may help ya, on that question.

    Tall Cotton’s right, now that I’m coming to my senses about it, too. Yes, MAFer sees us threatening his business. He’s not a morgie, I hadn’t understood when I’d clicked onto his name when he’d first showed up here. That explains it. If you haven’t checked, here’s his URL. He’s in the business of making money off morgies.

    http://www.thefiberdisease.net/

  360. Sarach,

    It’s my understanding that Wymore has that intention. As far as I know, he is still waiting on approval to conduct the clinical trials.

    Tall Cotton

  361. O…M…G!!!!!!

    I said, “showed”??????

    “SHOWN”

    DEMOTE ME, BOSS.

    I don’t even speak that way!!!

    Hahahahahahahaha!!!!

  362. Goodnight Smileykins.

  363. Night-nite, Sweet Cotton.

  364. Good morning, I’m already rolling and crying after reading the above diatribes. Spellbinding conversations no doubt.

    Thanks for the R.A. link Smileykins. I read every word of it. The secondary (or other) effects varied greatly, did they not? I’m starting to think that, well, it’s something very new….or quite possibly, very old but possibly having a new vector to promote it.

    I think this is all chemical reactions to either photonic fusion or chemicals in our foods. Synergistic
    reactions to biotechnology either from the water treatment (or lack of) and/or from foods.

    I would not be surprised at all if they have tested
    pesticides on us via the foods w/ out our knowledge or consent. If I had to choose only one food If I were guessing which one would have been tampered with the most, I’d pick a grain- wheat!

    I do now this….(althought I do not know what exactly it is but simply some type of freshwater crustacean) I located and finally found the name to a mystery organism
    I ran across about 2 months prior. It looked like a tiny, flesh colored shrimp from the bottom view but it had genetic changes to its back. It looked like it had some type of shell-bright red with a tail and symetrical
    black dots running along the entire back. It was inside one of the fiber balls I found on my countertop in bathroom.
    *******************************

    Sarah B Dunn-
    Just wanted to clarify- I did not say I thought that the HIV virus was the same as a worm; Leishmaniasis, but simply said that I had came across an article this summer that said most people that do have the worm parasite will be HIV positive as well. It was really strange. I hope this clarifies my statement better.
    ********************************

    Sarah C.,
    I hear what you are saying about the festival. For one thing, I would have never known there was one until Michael announced it a couple of weeks back. And the people that I really wanted to see and meet supposedly will not be in attendance. You know the ones, the ones you were on the air with before, un-hum.

    But, I bet it will be fun and hope everyone has a great time.

    Jace, where did you go? Hey, after you check out the vet dept, I’d go next to the chemical Dept, ag Dept, then the physics dept.>maybe one that specializes in aeronautics. Hey, that reminds me, are you faniliar with that lil ultra light firefly aircraft they have made at the university? Okay, last but not least, I’d def. go to the computer dept.too.

    I know my post seems like I’m being a smart-ass, but I’m dead serious.

    Have a great day everyone. God, I hate waking up to this miserable new life.

    I’m still waiting for some answers…..Lucent you gonna keep a tight lip, eh? Hey, is it true you guys old name was Lucifer? If so, you should change it back to that- it fit perfectly.

  365. oops, Hello, I kind of left off my organism find up above. The name of it is
    Hyalella azteca. This is def. what I came across, and it was so tiny, no larger than this letter “i”. Bright red w/ black dots on one side and flesh colored and meaty on the other, just like a brine shrimp would be.

    Yeah, toxins here, toxins there, here is a snip from some of my notes on ground/water pollution:

    Toxicity
    Parker et al. (2000) analyzed the sediment found in urban stormwater runoff in the Phoenix, Arizona, metropolitan area.
    They found that the inorganic content of the sediments was similar to that in soils that were not impacted by urban runoff.
    The metals concentrations (Cd, Cu, Pb, and Zn) were higher, but below levels that would recommend remediation.
    Arsenic concentrations were above recommended levels; however, this contribution likely was geologic not
    anthropogenic. Chlordane, DDT (and DDE and DDD), dieldrin, toxaphene, and PCBs were found in the sediments at all
    sampling locations. Sediment toxicity was seen, but could not be explained based on their chemical results. Vollertsen
    and Hvitved-Jacobsen (2000) investigated the resuspension of sewer solids in combined sewers. They found that sewer
    solids that were undisturbed for up to two weeks were more easily resuspended and their oxygen uptake rate was
    significantly greater than fresh solids, indicating that the flushing of these solids into receiving waters may cause oxygen
    depletion problems.
    Love and Woolley (1999) found that stormwater was alarmingly more toxic than treated sewage. The Concord project,
    funded by EPA, examined the possibility of needed treatment for reuse of residential area stormwater before source area.
    Runoff from sawmills in British Columbia was monitored for toxicity by Bailey et al. (1999) and found that 42 of the 58
    samples were toxic to juvenile rainbow trout. Divalent cations, especially zinc, were the most common source of the
    toxicity. Tannins and lignins, associated with bulk log handling, were responsible for the remaining toxicity.
    A stormwater toxicity study for Santa Monica Bay, Calif. included analysis of surface water and sediment samples
    following four significantly-sized storms. Toxicity was present in water samples offshore and was proportional to the
    concentration of runoff in the plume and changes in sediment characteristics, such as grain size and total organic carbon
    (TOC), were also evident (Bay et al., 1998).

  366. oh yeah, the easier word they call this thing I found is Mayfly….check out this lil hip 30 second video of it…when it opens, click the second one on top right (I think it says The day in the life of the Mayfly) and this video was produced by a phone Co…vodafone> go figure….
    http://www.vodafonemayfly.co.uk/

  367. Sorry for another post, but I just have to ask….Sara asked about Wymore and clinical studies….TC answered with “He’s supposed to, maybe he is waiting on approval”. I ask, “approval from who?”
    Lucifer Technologies, Nasa or the OK State Regents? Cause they sure as hell are all involved w/ that college!

    And Hey look, don’t be getting pissy with me if you’re a follower. They gave me the GD illness. I’ve waited patiently since June 3rd when my research proved to be valid. Let’s see, let me add up all that I have found, saved and proved from my home…..

    the ameobas>the slimemolds, the Daphnea, parasitoid wasp (verified by Texas AM Ag Dept.), the lil scab-worm-just add water thing….V.pinke I believe it is called, now the new one, the mayfly, oh yeah, and I removed 3 parasitoid wasp eggs and maybe even more, from my body! Now that is just what is on the outside of body. Oh, hell, throw in some chitan to go with this mess too. Dammit, it’s just got to be in the water system….AND ….NAH, I was going to tell you all of another big find I had that has to do with cotton but, nah, I ‘ll stop here. MORAL? SOMETHING IS GOING ON….AND DO HAVE PHOTOS AND SOME OF THOSE NORMAL PHOTOS EVEN HAVE THIS PHOTOSYNTHETIC BACTERIA IN THEM SHOWING UP AS WELL. STRANGE INDEED!

  368. sk said…

    “Tall Cotton’s right, now that I’m coming to my senses about it, too. Yes, MAFer sees us threatening his business. He’s not a morgie, I hadn’t understood when I’d clicked onto his name when he’d first showed up here. That explains it. If you haven’t checked, here’s his URL. He’s in the business of making money off morgies.

    http://www.thefiberdisease.net/

    i do have morgellons disease and morgellons is not my business per say, but you can believe what you want… my intentions are really none of your business… but it has much less to do with making money than it does with doing what is right…

    more importantly, i see you ass clowns here as a threat to the truth… my options are wide open… yours are not… you fuckers keep digging your little hole, and we’ll keep throwing the dirt back in on top of you…

  369. London – just reading past posts sorry I’m rather tired, but also restless you know what I’m like.

    That Mayfly thing – christ lady that spun me out, I’ve just had a couple of codeine/paracetomal and I am rather drowsy – THANKS for THAT!!!

  370. London you there? I read those links on Starlink Cry9c what would you say could happen if that “Bacteria” was to thrive in the human body?

    What symptoms (given what you know about biology and all that doda) do you think it could produce which would be similar to our crazy symptoms??

  371. Why are you know talking about a Mayfly by the way?

    Is the wasp involved, the GM one, I don’t wish to have your scientific knowledge, I try to read it puts me to sleep!!!!!

  372. b/c I found one….there is more than one creature in polluted waters! Hey, did not forget to write you last night but could not access my mailbox (still), but will get a post to you via another means today.!

    Yes, found that scab creature, daphnea, the ameobas, and this mayfly, fairy shrimp (all just nicknames for it) Here’s a photo too.

    PS: Smiley, just now seeing your find on our etiquette poster MAfer…. :) good one, is that true? MAfer if it is, then you should be called shitykins.

    Here lil Sarah:

    http://www.visualsunlimited.com/browse/vu319/vu319106.html

  373. London – you asked me about some symptoms in your email.

    With regards to the weight? My weight fluctuated many times to extemes of near 10 kilogram (LOSSS) in at the most a month it was less, but I can’t remember at the moment, I just remember that my mum nearly fell over in the driveway when I got out of my car.

    The Seroquel (antipsych) made it grow in me. I think it was because the antidepressasnt with the antipsych slowed down my metabolism, throw in the other ailments and bingo it went insane. I gained 20 kilo. I am not built to carry this weight. I am now back to normal BUT not if you understand. I am roughly 58 to 60 kilo but I know too well majority is infection still or whatever the fuzzy fluff is.

    My breats are terribly sore also, I have never in my life had boobs like it. Numb horrible full of fluff too and big and yukky, normally 12B but I am not sure what I am now coz I cant even wear a bra normally because the infection and swelling around my shoulders and underarms, chest doesn’t allow the bra to sit normally. And also the fact that my boobs started to have a very close relationship with my abdomen maybe 3 years ago could have something to do with it. What I mean by that statement is that this little bugger in my skin screwed up my skin so much my sternum kinda disappeared and so did the outline of my ribs, and then my stomach would resemble one of those poor kids in africa with the swollen tummy. I would nearly fall over walking from the weight of my tummy pulling my forward. Given what day of the week or what this thing had in my mind I would spend most of my time swaying and walking and leaning to the right, head also, quite interesting to witness, new personality, new look, different sized head, body – each day. Oh joy!

    Yes Michael I know what you are thinking I could write a 50 billion word essay and put into a blog, not in this life – thanks anyway.

  374. London – I meant my breasts – that was funny even I thought SO!!

  375. Good Morning Everybody – Wow been gone for 5 days and nobody missed me – weep weep LOL

    Smileykins – Sevin Dust is a Texan’s best friend if you go to rodeo’s or work in a hay field or any open fields. 25 years ago when I was going to texas rodeos, working in hay fields or even working in horse stables I NEVER left the house without a dusting of sevin dust around my ankles, it works wonders on keeping chiggers off ya. Chiggers can be a pain in the tail!!

    Yes More Jamm was moved to October – which will be better on everybody because Oklahoma has been one hot puppy this summer – so it should be alot cooler by October.

    No Cliff will not make it since he is working in Mexico for the next few months. But the rest of everybody will be there from NMO. But haven’t heard if the MRF folks will be there.

    Since we now have a TexasStar and I’m TexasRose should I change my name so people don’t get us confused?

  376. yeah, but that is nothing new…Starlink has had that out since 2001. But yes, I think it is true. There is more virulent pesticides,insecticides than that though…

    oh, yeah, I agree….I even think it is in the foods, which means that we were given it w/out consenting to it…

    and….the wheat that I spoke of is a perfect example…the stored grains….the USDA even has it on a web page what they used in it, the wheat. I did not say used on it, but IN IT!!!

    and lovely OKState Univ had a person write their dissertaion on this very same thing….yep, the beetle was the pest and the parasitoid wasp with fibers was the pathenogen used to control them.. then they just added a lil pesticide to F. us all up even further…..I’ll go see if I can get the article for you.

  377. MAFer,

    You’re not throwing a damned thing on us, and your insanity is only helping to reveal the truth about Morgellons. I know you can’t see that. You wouldn’t know truth, if it bit you on the ass.

    Tall Cotton

  378. Does the fairy shrimp have a relative called the springtail collombola? I can see a likeness. Only because that is really the only bug I could stomach looking at whilst doing my research. Creepy crawlys and me do not mix, don’t want to look at too many of them. We have very very big legged things here you know (spiders) I hate even typing the word, some even resemble fuzzy toys especially when you find one on the doona cover cuddled up near the pillow.

    Its okay! not in my house – this was a few years back – remember I said on radio I used to go to the lake and water ski, well it was that place and my hubby at the time and friends stayed in a lovely house with other people, the house was spotless, but it was the perfect environment (bush etc, heat) for them to come in.

    Enough about that I feel ill.

  379. I could do with a Wallaby come visit me though, then I could maybe ask him to donate some of his milk to the OSU since I don’t have the money to help Dr Wymore etc etc.

  380. thanks Sara! Not too many would share that on a public post. But oh hell, I forgot, you shared other like things on biology-online before, LOL>>>>
    My tummy is swollen too. I eat like a bird and get full fast. Now granted, I have not exercised in a year, I still should not have gained 20 lbs with only eating 6-800 calories a day. and it’s not just water weight either….clothes do not fit. Not going to buy anything new b/c, well, long story, just not…..might just go get some more PJ”S and cool house shoes and just live in them….

    Rose, Hi, no, I do not think you should change your name….not at all! I like your name. About sevin dust….what is the safety range of it if we eat the crap? that’s what I’m talking here.

  381. sarah’s breats….hehe Yeah, Rose, we did too miss you. Where did you go? On holiday somewhere fun? I’m going to the Florida Panhandle in 2 weeks for a weeks stay….never been there…I hope it’s nice. The photos look nice anyway. Man, I went to CoCo beach before (east coast) and hell, hated it….I have to have the blue water…..

  382. “Sarah B Dunn-
    Just wanted to clarify- I did not say I thought that the HIV virus was the same as a worm; Leishmaniasis, but simply said that I had came across an article this summer that said most people that do have the worm parasite will be HIV positive as well. It was really strange. I hope this clarifies my statement better.”

    I would be interested in seeing that article, if you have a link. My Googling powers are weak.

  383. Smiley and TC, are there mountains in Oklahoma? Wherever the festival is being held? Dallas has got to be the ugliest (SP? spelling is finished for me) city and the hottest. All cement, flat, built on a flood plane. Nothing green here, just cement everywhere. But if you like to shop and be pretentious and have big hair, then you will like Dallas.

  384. okay Sarah B-Dunn, will try to fetch it for ya.

  385. Sarah B. here you go:

    Leishmania/HIV co-infection

    Leishmania/HIV co-infection is emerging as an extremely serious, new disease and it is increasingly frequent. There are important clinical, diagnostic, chemotherapeutic, epidemiological and economic implications of this trend.

    Although people are often bitten by sandflies infected with Leishmania protozoa, most do not develop the disease. However, among persons who are immunosuppressed (e.g. as a result of advanced HIV infections, immunosuppressive treatment for organ transplants, haematological malignancy, auto-immune diseases), cases quickly evolve to a full clinical presentation of severe leishmaniasis.
    AIDS and VL are locked in a vicious circle of mutual reinforcement. On the one hand, VL quickly accelerates the onset of AIDS (with opportunistic diseases such as tuberculosis or pneumonia) and shortens the life expectancy of HIV-infected people. On the other hand, HIV spurs the spread of VL. AIDS increases the risk of VL by 100-1000 times in endemic areas.
    This duo of diseases produces cumulative deficiency of the immune response since Leishmania parasites and HIV destroy the same cells, exponentially increasing disease severity and consequences. VL is considered a major contributor to a fatal outcome in co-infected patients. Lately, however, use of tritherapy, where it is available, has improved the prognosis for Leishmania/HIV cases.
    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs116/en/

  386. MAFer has shown us at least 3 of his websites. Not only does he sell a lot of products that are worthless for “Morgellons” sufferers, but he’s also trying to sell the websites. He’s a typical low-life, con-artist, trying to make money off of people that have already paid a lot of money for nothing. He’s a true parasite.

  387. methbreath… yeah you tc… my sanity or insanity is hardly bearing on morgellons disease… you tweakers are just so paranoid aren’t you?… maybe you just need a 4 or 5 day nap to calm down a bit… you know, rest up for your next binge… don’t forget to brush your teeth before bed… if you still have any that is… nighty, nighty…

    london… the name shittykins is already taken… you know that… but you can call me whatever you want… it doesn’t really matter…

  388. 3 websites tc?… are you sure you are counting correctly?… low-life con-artist you say?… not hardly… you must have me confused with the current medical establishment…

  389. You guys, now stop it…you two are cracking my arse up!

    okay, here is a link that will open up to 20 titles on Pesticede testing on Humans…but guess what? Only one of the 20 even have available abstracts…..and that is No.4…all the rest? Nope, not gonna let you open them? Can you say coverup?????

    and this is just how that paper on Cat-scratch disease that Ms. Savely wrote at the end of June did! It would not open.

    Now why is this???No abstract available….

    I think it is b/c they can’t decide on what name to use for this real, painful illness. They should just call it,
    “We F. you up, okay Illness” then, the truth will set them free.

    Hey, idea here, MAfer…..I will pay you 25 $ to call the CDC and have one of your casual conversations (you know, the ones with all those names….) But it must be a three way call, I would have to hear it…that would be the hilight of my year.

    Prob. illegal though….so, they don’t have any ethics, why should we? haha

    You game MAfer?

  390. i do not think the cdc would give a crap what i think…

    i think you should call them and let them know the entire problem can be solved with a case or two of raid’s wasp and hornet killer…

    http://www.killsbugsdead.com/fop_eo_wh_k.asp

  391. I said 3, and I meant 3. I could name them if I chose to. The CDC already knows that there is no Morgellons. They’ve known that since its inception. How to deal with it is their problem. And that involves dealing with people like you. You’re right, they don’t care what you think, but they care about the lies that you represent and the false ideas you reinforce.

  392. sounds like you have it all figured out there tc… but which lies and false ideas are you referring to?… are we talking about what i think or what i represent or what i reinforce?… or all of the above?… if i represent and reinforce, then i must think… but you say the cdc does not care what i think… yet by way of association, they must if they care about what i represent and reinforce… clearly i am confused… just what was it again that i represent and reinforce?… for that matter, what am i thinking?…

    help me out here tc… you big goofy genius you…

  393. SBD: your googling muscle must need exercising:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Leishmaniasis+HIV

    Mind you, London probably needs a few exercises here and there as well. :)

  394. Hello gentlepeople,

    I see you are all still at it. TC you seem a little upset today. What’s wrong? Someone closing in on you?

    Hey guys. It it your full-time job to be here as I can see, but you still need to take a break sometimes. What happened to the person that had a da? Did he have a thiamin od – or did you guys fire her for being so blatently obvious. Ha haahaaaaaaaa.

    Well, my lunch break is over. Have a good afternoon. PS. GET A LIFE. I am beginning to think you are the CDC. The way you sit around and do nothing all day.

  395. MAFer,

    The CDC doesn’t care what you think. What they do care about is the fact that you are helping to reinforce the delusions of vulnerable people. Of course, you aren’t the only one that is guilty of that. You are also using the Morgellons Myth to bilk the Morgies out of their money. Now, that should be pretty clear, and if you don’t understand that, you’re more confused than I thought.

    Tall Cotton

  396. And are you speaking for the CDC now?

  397. Sarah I think I have this disease Give me a call.

  398. Goodness, NoLoc, you’re here more than I am. How much are you being paid?

  399. MAfer,

    You made me laugh! That’s a good thing, that really was hilarious.
    I had to get off line and take care of some things. I just finished call SBC to drop them as my ISP at the end of this month (thank God, contract is up) Anyway, I got to talk to 3 different representatives and I just kept asking each one of them if I could please speak to their supervisor.
    Yeah, I was trying to convince them that they knew TamTam and that they had seen the movie “Silent Superbug” HAHA…guess you had to be here but it was hilarious. Off to call the CDC next. Hell, they don’t know Jack. I’m going to ask them today about sexually transmitted diseases thru insects. They won’t even have a clue…hell, it’s on thier website though.

    Michael, I think I do mighty fine at googling….I too could have sent her a whole page…but here, I will show you some of the things I google.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=+magnetic+properties+of+multilayer+thin-film+sandwiches+of+copper/nickel/+copper+epitaxially+grown+on+silicon&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

    and here is another:
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&q=Electromagnetic+waves+in+a+homogeneously+plasma-filled++waveguide&btnG=Search

  400. Well, look what our local scientist are up to these days, I’m sure you all are familiar with the sweeping spread of MSRA right? And, I hope you realize that this Staph and Strep too are involved in our mental disorder (delusions of biotech idiots…that one) Seriously, I read an article not too far back that said that the Strep infections could even cause OCD’s…hell, least we have an excuse now, LOL

    MRSA Use Amoeba To Spread, New Research Shows

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060228085706.htm

  401. You know, I just thought of something. My grandmother used to have blue hair. NoLoc, I can speak for the surgeon general, if anybody would like for me to, after I get done hookin’ for the afternoon.

  402. London:

    Protozoans are single-celled organisms. They are not worms. Leishmania are protozoa.

    People already have HIV have lowered immune systems. Because of this, they are more likely to get other diseases, like the flu, pneumonia, a cold, and leishmania. Even though a lot of people are bitten by sandflies, people with HIV are more likely to get infected because of their compromised immune system.

    That is all the article is saying. Leishmania are not causing HIV or are even correlated with HIV.

  403. Does anyone else feel like they are constantly having to read things for people with “Morgellons”? They’ll find some science article that has a hot word, like “worm” or “fiber” or “insect” or “genetically modified” and suddenly the article has a hidden meaning about “Morgellons.”

    I feel that if folks with “Morgellons” would take a moment to read the articles, it would save everyone else a lot of time.

  404. I’m not referring to anyone in specific, but it has been a general morgies observation. Some, do just refuse to read, too. Maybe others try. It’supposed to be due to brain fog, and, I am guessing, what Dr. Wymore thinks is neurotoxicity, in some of the cases he’s dealing with, Sarach. I’m sure some of the neurotoxicity is from pesticides. Of course, though, Dr. Wymore says it’s the most dangerous effect that this “morgellons disease” has. Um-hmm, he do say dat.

  405. Sarah B.D.

    oh no it was not at all saying that…due to the lowered immune system, I made sure of that before I posted it. In fact, it I will quote a line for you:

    Leishmania/HIV co-infection is emerging as an extremely serious, new disease and it is increasingly frequent.
    _______________________________

    Can’t get that one by me….but Sarah, I read one yesterday that said Gingivitis has now got HIV viruses increasingly in them….

    then, 6 months ago it waS hard to find many articles at all on folliculitis and now it is Eosonaphilic Folliculitis due to HIV…

    then, my favorite: NO, not that you immuniity might be down if you are a drug user thus lowering your immune sytem and opting chances for HIV to invade, no mam, it clearly said Methamphetimine use can cause HIV virus!!

    I have one too that says a cat-scratch is SYNONYMOUS with HIV infection….and yes, that was verbatim……

    then my favorite….the insects (the fleas,, the mites, the louse is HIV infection.

    I caN PRODUCE AND PROVE EVERYONE OF THESE COMMENTS I JUST MADE. JUST ASK.

  406. Excuse me!! “Sarah.” (I knew I was gonna do that).

  407. sARAH,

    yOU COULD NOT GET A SIMPLE NAME RIGHT LAST WEEKEND. AND IT HAPPENED MORE THAN ONCE.

    AND YOU WERE RUDE AND WRONG, JUST LIKE YOUR ASS IS NOW.

  408. noW KEEP ON F-ING WITH ME; YOU WONT WIN; YOU WONT EVEN COME CLOSE SARAH!

  409. I DO HAVE TO GET OFF LINE AT SUCH AN UNFORTUNATE TIME; JUST WHEN THINGS WERE GOING TO GET FUN. bUT SARAH, JUST LEAVE ME A LINE IF YOU WISH AND i WILL JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOU LATER. REMEMBER, MY NAME IS LONDON AND IT STARTS WITH AN L…..I AM NOT TEXAS STAR….

    i WON’T JUST SPEW OUT PROFANITIES SARAH, I WILL SPEW OUT FACTS AND PROVE EVERY GD ONE OF THEM. SO, READY WHEN YOU ARE MISSY…..

  410. Well, I got off line and grabbed a coke and just had to get back on to give Sarah some important articles…If I had more time (which I dont) I’d pull up my Lucent files for her….but lets just start with some glass fibers….

    Biological glass fibers: Correlation between optical and structural properties
    http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/10/3358

    oh, what do you know, I found one that quick, althought this is not the one I wanted, it will do. And my, it has BELL LABS NAME ALL OVER IT…..

    http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060325/bob8.asp

  411. I meant to tell Sarah that my coke had a lot of BUBBLES IN IT…..NOW THINK WOMEN, THINK!

  412. London Says:
    “Sorry for another post, but I just have to ask….Sara asked about Wymore and clinical studies….TC answered with “He’s supposed to, maybe he is waiting on approval”. I ask, “approval from who?”Lucifer Technologies, Nasa or the OK State Regents? Cause they sure as hell are all involved w/ that college!”

    Actually, clinical research has to undergo sever inspection and review before being allowed. Surely you would not want any researcher to be able to go and research whatever they like with no ethical standard or anyone to answer to?

    In most places it’s called the Internal Review Board, which oversees the stipulations of research, including ethical considerations.

  413. My favorite quote (from the Big Lebowski): “I’m calmer than you are, dude.”

    London says :”And, Leishmaniasis (the real worm) is now said to cause HIV.”

    I replied, Leishmaniasis is not a worm, and it does not cause HIV.

    London quotes: “Leishmania/HIV co-infection is emerging as an extremely serious, new disease and it is increasingly frequent.”

    It’s a co-infection. It’s serious, it’s new, granted. But a leishmania is a protozoa, not a worm as you said, and it’s not causing HIV. Why does this upset you so?

    “then, my favorite: NO, not that you immuniity might be down if you are a drug user thus lowering your immune sytem and opting chances for HIV to invade, no mam, it clearly said Methamphetimine use can cause HIV virus!!”

    Your immune system may be down because you are taking sitmulants or other drugs that reduce your sleep and thus reduce your body’s opportunity to repair itself and your immune system. Any shared needle use for whatever reason, including methamphetamines, can lead to sharing HIV. I don’t see how this is particularly earth-shattering, could you explain?

    “noW KEEP ON F-ING WITH ME; YOU WONT WIN; YOU WONT EVEN COME CLOSE SARAH! ”

    With all this discussion of HIV and infections, I think I’ll stay away from the behaviors you just described, thanks ;) .

    And in case of anyone else’s curiosity, I definitely have better things to do than… eh… “mess” with anybody. Frankly, London, I don’t know you, nor do I particularly care, and especially not enough to “mess” with you.

    We’re back to these “biological glass fibers.” Dr. Wynemore would surely be able to assess if the fibers in the “Morgellons” patients were glass, do you not think?

    I even asked my dad, recently, who used to work in fiberoptics, if he was sneaking into anyone’s bedrooms at night and infecting their body with fiberoptics. Or, if he had known of any employees doing this for him. He said “Yes” and then maniacally laughed, before swishing his cape and returning to his evil lair.

    Just kidding. Dad’s a quiet guy– he just said “no” and went back to reading.

  414. Dear Lord London – your getting it too (MY NAME IS LONDON AND IT STARTS WITH AN L…..I AM NOT TEXAS STAR….) NOW why is it folks keep trying to pin us as other people – some folks think I’m Cindy Casey LOLOLOLOLOL That one had me rolling on the floor for hours.

    Ok London on eating Sevin Dust? hmmmmm Well with just one night at a rodeo I bet we did eat a bit of sevin dust. Never really thought about it back then – we had it in our boots, cloths, everything and I am sure it got on our hands.

    Thank you London for missing me around here – no I didn’t go on vactaion but on holiday for the week-end. Took time with family and friends. Lazy Lazy Lazy week-end with the US Open. We did swing by Plano, Texas friday night and Yes Dallas is HOT!!!!!!! It was 98 there and by the time we came back to the farm it was down to 81.

    Ya’ll have a great evening – check out the happenings on the More Jamm looks like it has grown since Friday too.

  415. Anyone who is so inclined…

    You can call the CDC National AIDS Hotline (1-800-342-AIDS) to get the address of places where you can get counseling and testing, if you think you need HIV testing. Do not go to a hospital emergency room to be counseled and tested. You should go to an emergency room only if you have a health problem that demands urgent attention. Also, do not give blood at a blood donation center as a way to get tested for HIV antibodies. Blood donation centers are not HIV-antibody counseling and testing centers and should not be used as such.

    http://www.thebody.com/testing.html

    Seroquel side effects

    http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/quetiap_ad.htm

    To check for specific side effects of birth control pills

    http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/rxlist.cgi?drug=birth+control+pills

    Texasrose, bragging about using Sevin, in hayfields, as well as on yourself, for keeping chiggers off of you, and even when just going to work in stalls, is utterly way beyond ignorance. Reckon y’all bailed that hay up and used it for feed, too. There’s no use trying to explain the toxicological effects, to anyone like you, same as anything else morgies can’t grasp.

    Y’all seem to can’t help liking to revel in what’s wrong with you, and from the looks of things today, unless I change my mind, I think I’m just about ready for another break from this, just like I did last fall. “If ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” games, ain’t always about fun things. NoLoc, take credit, if it gets you off, same as the morgies spread the word last fall, as to the reasons why I dropped out of this scene, back then. It ain’t you, babe, it ain’t you.

    This is an ironically long topic thread, isn’t it. That was rude. I apologize, because I probably did most of it with my OCD.

  416. They Think I am Mary!!!!!

    You would think the CDC would know exactly who anyone posting here is, Come on guys!!!!!

  417. Hey, I like the name Trevor Slocum now. It kind of fits. It fits me better than Mary, right Sarah and Tallcottoncdc?

  418. I was joking, Trevor, when I said that. My gosh, are you insane?

  419. Yeah, well I was addressin tallcottoncdc who speaks for the cdc in comment number 402. He is the CDC. If you want to clarify for the safety of your position there Smellyshins thats fine.

  420. sara “open your eyes and see” I just read your email to sonya/ Pretty eye opening!!!!

  421. Run for cover!!! My OCD’s kickin in.

    Carbaryl (Sevin®)

    Exposure Routes: inhalation, skin absorption, ingestion, skin and/or eye contact
    Symptoms: miosis, blurred vision, tear; rhinorrhea (discharge of thin mucus), salivation; sweating; abdominal cramps, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea; tremor; cyanosis; convulsions; irritation skin; possible reproductive effects
    Target Organs: respiratory system, central nervous system, cardiovascular system, skin, blood cholinesterase, reproductive system

    *If this chemical contacts the skin, flush the contaminated skin with water promptly. If irritation persists after washing, get medical attention.
    *If a person breathes large amounts of this chemical, move the exposed person to fresh air at once. Other measures are usually unnecessary.

    *Swallow: If this chemical has been swallowed, get medical attention immediately.

    Naphtha

    Exposure Routes: inhalation, ingestion, skin and/or eye contact
    Symptoms: irritation eyes, upper respiratory system; dermatitis; central nervous system depression; chemical pneumonitis (aspiration liquid)
    Target Organs: eyes, skin, respiratory system, central nervous system

    *first aid same as above

    Chlorine (bleach):

    Exposure Routes: inhalation, skin and/or eye contact
    Symptoms: burning of eyes, nose, mouth; lacrimation (discharge of tears), rhinorrhea (discharge of thin mucus); cough, choking, substernal (occurring beneath the sternum) pain; nausea, vomiting; headache, dizziness; syncope; pulmonary edema; pneumonitis; hypoxemia (reduced oxygen in the blood); dermatitis
    Target Organs: eyes, skin, respiratory system

    *same first-aid

    Long term effects? I don’t want to look it up. Just keep out of such practices. Anyone who wants some kind of bug repellent, use Off, or something safer.

    Furniture oil and toilet bowl cleaner is not meant for human consumption, either, along with other bad, bad things some morgies use..

  422. For those cognitively challenged men (and, some women) with the particular issues they feel they have to overcompensate for, through immature antics, I see that I need to clarify, for regular viewers, that I may have unwittingly been assistive in misleading them. I’m accustomed to average people, or those of a higher caliber, and this is more challenging, and tiresome, than handling a roomful of undisciplined children. Please note, when I’d said:

    Hang on Sloopy!! See? Jace tried acting like she had familiarized herself with our backgrounds when she’d unjustifyingly made her real strong accusations against the two of us a couple of times. Back then, TC was on meth and misinterpretting things, and I’d had an underlying health condition making me do it. We both acknowledge what happened back then. Zero denial, here, and we’d both searched our rear-ends off on the internet, just exactly like morgies do.

    The words, “back then”, were misunderstood by the cognitively-challenged, to mean the day I was referring to Jace’s on line communication with TC, on this blog. I was referring to two years ago. He has not touched any type of drug since then. We had both gone through a totally similar experience to each other, which is the same as some-morgie-people, which we both recovered from. His was from drug use, mine was from illness. When a mind is altered, from any number of things, the effects are quite similar. We got better, and after such harrowing experiences, try to let others know that it’s possible. Getting through such a state is not a temporary thing, for some people. We were both convinced, at the time, that we had been infected with a new type of pathogen too. That’s not normal. Who doesn’t know that? Step to the front of the class.

    I’m going to assume, as I previously had, that a whole lot of morgies are going through this type of thing. Ya wanna know why? Because, by and large, nobody seems to be able to talk about it. “Come and hug me for proof”, is about it. Now, Aherah has, and I commend her for it. Anyone else who has, I also do.

    Our stories:

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28116343&postID=114766669588146840

  423. Trevor, nobody has made any references to you as being Mary Leitao, other than me, jokingly, the first day you came here. Nobody has had something to protect as badly as you, and I see, now, that you are a morgie. Well, duh. we knew that already. MAFer isn’t though.

    Anyone who is so inclined…

    You can call the CDC National AIDS Hotline (1-800-342-AIDS) to get the address of places where you can get counseling and testing, if you think you need HIV testing. Do not go to a hospital emergency room to be counseled and tested. You should go to an emergency room only if you have a health problem that demands urgent attention. Also, do not give blood at a blood donation center as a way to get tested for HIV antibodies. Blood donation centers are not HIV-antibody counseling and testing centers and should not be used as such.

    http://www.thebody.com/testing.html

    Seroquel side effects

    http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/quetiap_ad.htm

    To check for specific side effects of birth control pills

    http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/rxlist.cgi?drug=birth+control+pills

    Texasrose, bragging about using Sevin, in hayfields, as well as on yourself, for keeping chiggers off of you, and even when just going to work in stalls, is ignorant. Reckon y’all bailed that hay up and used it for feed, too. There’s no use trying to explain the toxicological effects, to anyone like you, same as anything else morgies can’t grasp.

    Y’all seem to can’t help liking to revel in what’s wrong with you, and from the looks of things today, unless I change my mind, I think I’m just about ready for another break from this, just like last fall. “If ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” games, ain’t always about fun things. NoLoc, take credit, if it gets you off, same as the morgies spread the word last fall, as to the reasons why I dropped out of this scene, back then. It ain’t you, babe, it ain’t you. Seeing people losing it so bad, isn’t my cuppa tea.

  424. Oh, Jace’s accusations were that we could make people commit suicide, and she thought we could be held legally responsible for it. Also. she said that we were trying to make people think the sky was really green, instead of blue, or something that she used that analogy on us for, equating us with, and twisting the truth of, exactly what Mary Leitao is guilty of. So, I want to clear that up.

  425. Trevor, got short-term memory problems?

    # 422 Trevor Slocum Says:
    September 6th, 2006 at 3:49 pm

    They Think I am Mary!!!!!

    You would think the CDC would know exactly who anyone posting here is, Come on guys!!!!!

    You said you were addressing TC? Well, I’d addressed your yellow belly how many times the other day, and you can’t face me, like a man? I said I was joking. Nobody has said that to you, and when you’d said, the other day, that I’d accused other people on this blog of being her, you wouldn’t show us where. I’d replied under a post by Grammavicki, after she had asked Mary what she thought of her recommendations. I think she was confused. So, you are a morgie, huh? How long, Trev? What symptoms do you have? Do your wife & kids know yet? What about the shrink whose husband you golf with? Guess that guy knows huh. Did you tell him that day on the golf course?

  426. So I did mispeak when I said the “real one” referring
    to the worm but I was using in a cliche’ meaning

    (NO, nothing technical like a protozoa, ot ameoba, blah, blah, but simply said “real worm” to be facetius

    to the molecular ones that they (biotech/nanotech)guys and girls are making.

    I think (or thought) that anyone could have seen the pun there. I was the one that started posting about this synthetic stuff well over a month ago. Dunno, maybe you were not here then.

    Another thing Sarah, you asked me to get something for you, I did, you did not even have the decency to say thanks. You just started criticizing.

    I dunno, are you always a bitch or is this just your special day? I remember feeling kind of bad for you when I heard your name mentioned on the other boards and how everyone did not really care for you. I had only heard your name at that time, did not judge or
    take part in the bash sessions b/c I thought that was unfair and you might be okay.

    Now I see what they saw. Just being a rude bitch and a smart ass as well. It was very evident Sarah that this indeed was you in that mode today.

    And, for the second time. I said the article on HIV said that it was not due to lowered immunity nor risque’ unprotected sex or thru sharing needles shooting dope but thru a chemical reaction.

    Yeah, your probably thinking, yeah right London. And I swear this is what it said. I thought the same thing too. It’s carried and passed thru infected blood or body fluids…….but this said no, not the case.

    Read up and do some homework Sarah, it’s out there if you look. There has been cases where an indivual beats the HIV infection- surely you have heard of that happening some by now, eh? Well, there is a newer, rapid progressional AIDS out there now and there is no cure, nor any medicines that will work
    for it. One is multifocal leukoencephalopathy> which is an AIDS with dementia.

    The there is the new HIV III or some even call it the HIVe, yes, that was HIVe-spelled just like a bee-hive but all caps and small e.

    And Sarah, you were saying there is no such thing as Morgellons disease but, you still did not apply yourself to simply “think” before you started slamming people and, well, you called us: people with Morgellons….in fact, you used it in the sentence mocking me with the word fiber and worm….you know, when you had your “groove on” and just was being a hateful witch.

    And the audacity of your rudeness-specifically saying we could not read or had trouble comprehending things-simple things like fiber and worm…When you yourself
    could not tell the difference in two distinct names….one started with an L, (London) and the other a T (texas star)
    which is not big deal and frankly, quite boring which the “Norm” would have let slip by….but not sweet lil Sarah…..that’s okay though, your bright and cheery self with all yoour stimilulating, captive writing abilities make up for it.

    It’s all good in the hood Sarah. Last thing, if you did or do want to fuurther your career, might I suggest a simple course in maturity and manners 101?

    oops, about the fibers, once again, must I remind you to “think Sarah, think!” …..for one thing, I have removed more than one glass fiber from my skin before….

    and for another thing, I never onces said that this was the fiber that we all had. Try hard, think….
    Maybe, I posted it because my favorite lab in the world is the one that found it, yes, Bell Labs. And Sarah, that starts with a “B”.

    Bubbubbbb byyyyyeeee!

    *Suggestion : you should admit your mistakes, apologize and move on. We’ll see, it’s up to you.

  427. Michael Says:
    September 1st, 2006 at 9:14 am
    Some Morgellons believers (including some posting above) seem to feel they are being persecuted in some way. It’s educational to get some perspective on the workings of this mindset. Here’s a look into the mind of someone who has taken this kind of belief one step beyond:

    http://www.gangstalking.ca/

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I have to comment on this – incredible stuff. Is this for real? or just another cult within another cult and on and on. Remember I am confused, but watching it made my tummy tickle (not in a good way), I drank more water and calmed.

  428. I spoke to my lovely lady doc just before. I mentioned something to her that was reminded to me by a family member :

    My previous doc did my vit.D blood tests, said elevated, stay away from sun and light etc, live the dark, mushroom life style.

    She responded by saying that my levels were within normal range and what I had been told was utter crap (not her exact word) and basically there you have it, my head is a spinning, but not in a bad way. I will be catching up with her soon.

  429. My only reason for re reading all the posts under this topic was purely to clarify some things for myself. Especially after I was awoken from my rest this morn at 10.30am to the post lady I had to sign for a package, some plastic containers been to me via someone from far away, not a uni though. I was aware this could take place because I put my address foreward to help myself in finding out my own ailment I could not understand, but I must mention I found this contact via the morguellons door and the NMO and so on and so on.

    As I was saying to clarify some things for myself : nothing adds up when I read all this stuff (above posts and others), especially when some people are still looking for the pathogen. Throw the entire world into “ones” own equation and health, allergies on and on it can not be tracked down to one thing. That is my take on this. Michael I would be interested in some feedback on this, you have always been good in the post at grounding me into reality.

    Any sticky peak readers out their – GO BLOW (thought you would like that) this is about ME that is why I came to the internet in search, not to safe the world or others, but my health. So to my mates on this board if I am wrong please tell me so, I do like constructive criticism.

    Thank you.

  430. Tc – to add to your illusive pathogen theory I would add the internet. For me it has been the MAJOR part. BUT on a more positive note it has also helped me in my own personal journey of this, a place for me to feel safe and not worrie about others. These people will never meet me. I have never hurt anyone in my life, so why hurt me. I will die from natural causes like everyone else, when – I have no idea, just like all of us. Thinking like this relieves me sometimes from living within my symptoms, trying to move on.

    Each day I wake up I feel different, like a different person. I have no idea why but I feel it important to share. I believe this is part of chronic illness for me. I try to imagine what the feeling would be like without the involvement of the internet, but that is very hard because I can not change the past, I set my own denstiny in what I did and have done right up until this full stop…stop.

  431. SarahConnor
    The “gangstalking” thing, it seems to me that the lady is obviously delusional and paranoid. But you can imagine how other people, with similar mental problems, could visit her site, and believe it, hence magnifying their own problems. It’s quite a professional looking site (more so than the MRF), but that does not make it reliable.
    Your lady doc sounds like a keeper. You should stick with her, or someone she recommends. Sounds like your last doc was a quack.
    On your next point, I think you are saying there is so much conflicting information out there (regarding Morgellons, etc) that you can’t take it and apply it all to your situation. That’s very wise. If you have to shoehorn it so much, then it does not fit. Your own health is the issue here, not a bunch of random theories that seem only slightly related.
    And your fourth point – I agree, the internet causes its own problem, even health problems, by spreading inaccurate medical information. It’s great that you recognise this. Trust your lady doctor. Don’t trust some faceless “friends” on the internet.

  432. I just listened to one of my old time favourite songs by the Alan Parsons Project “The Silence and I”. It really is relaxing, I love the words also, so much meaning.

  433. Sarach-

    What is the name of your organization in Aussie? Is there a web site? Why do you discourage contributions to OSU and not encourage contributions to your cause. Sounds sort of odd, ehh?

  434. “Silence and I, We need a chance to talk things over”

    Reflective contemplation. Good medicine.

  435. Look HAHAHA I can not remember what exactly I said the post, I am unwell. What I will say is that I can not be in any position at all to say anything about the OSU because I do not know what is going on. I read through the internet and that is that.

    My organisation is me (my life, my health)

    I don’t have a website.

    Tell me what you mean about encourage contributions to my cause??

  436. I think I have full moon fever. Different to how it has felt in the past you know. Not scarey just very interesting, you know my delusions.

  437. Can I encourage contributions to my cause, HAHAHAHA? What do you mean, by asking Sarach that? She has no organization. I know you adamantly said to not ask questions about your mother, but how come? Do you not want to seek answers to her situation? I mean, we can help you. As long as you are under the illusion that there is a make-believe disease that OSU is going to find, and cure for her, you’re not doing anything of value to help her get better. Why do you even think she has “morgellons disease”? Yes, that is a question, but, technically, not about your mother, but about you. How come you believe this? Also, why do you encourage donations to OSU, on here? Thank you.

  438. Sarach,

    When I was looking for Mary Leitao’s non-existant pathogen, I also used the internet. I observed things in my environment, and I also looked at pictures of other people’s observations, but I used the internet to read and study, and search for pathogens that fit the bill, so to speak. I also used the internet to communicate with friends, and to associate with the people on the message boards. I’ve been on the internet almost every day for the past 5 years. It’s gonna take some getting used to if I ever change hobbies. I don’t look for Mary Leitao’s pathogen any more. I don’t believe it exists. There’s a lot of pathogens that cause a lot of things, and I do study them sometimes, but I don’t think there is a Morgellons Disease. And I never look for an organism that produces colored fibers. I know that the human body can produce a variety of fibers, and I believe that many of the morgies fibers are from the environment.

    Tall Cotton

  439. Sarach-

    Dr. Wymore at OSU university in Tulsa, Oklahoma USA is doing research on this subject at http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm. They need support. I am encouraging anyone that has this problem to contribute anything they can to the same web site at http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/donate.cfm. It is tax deductible in the US.

    If you have an organization that is researching this problem in your part of the world, please encourage their financial support.

  440. Sarach,

    Don’t send your money to anyone promising to do anything regarding Morgellons. You may as well flush it down the commode. That’s a fact!!

    Tall Cotton

  441. The fellows that suggest a new disease cannot possibly exist are the ones in denial. They do not have first hand knowledge of an individual with the symptoms.

  442. HAHAHAHA someone might be more inclined to want to donate to a cause if you could share some of your personal story. Does that sound unreasonable to you? I think telling people to throw their money into something that very few people are willing to even share their personal stories over, concerning it, is too much for a thinking person to consider doing. Do you not agree?

  443. Smiley, Tall

    I dont give a rats patoot about your opinion.

  444. Tc – to add to your illusive pathogen theory I would add the internet.

    Sarach, I’m glad you are continuing to improve and VERY glad that you recognize that the Internet contributed to your un-wellness.

    I have read many, many posts on other boards, where “Morhies” complain that their symptoms always seem much worse when they are at the computer. Unfortunately, they usually make illogical leaps from there – that “Morgellons” is somehow reacting to the electronics – rather than considering that perhaps they feel worse at their computers, because that’s when they are most intently focused on their symptoms and every sensation in their skin.

    Anyway, again, it’s really good to hear that you’re doing well, and I’m glad you stopped by to let us know :)

  445. Just another thing HAHAHA whoever you are – in ALL my communication with Mary Leitao she HAS NEVER under any circumstances tried to get money OUT OF ME OR MY FAMILY for herself or any university.

    The only thing she has said with regards to Dr Wymore was he spends so much timie reading emails and replying to emails from people. Which I thought was really nice. He has not got the time for this she said. Another comment was people keep bagging him on the internet and that man needs ALL the support HE CAN GET. At that very point in time I was ill like I am now BUT I believed it, and if for one second I took myself away from this internet, I would tell you without even looking back for a second THAT right now I say DR WYMORE NEEDS ALL THE SUPPORT HE CAN GET. You people fill in the gaps, sort the shit from the clay – see if we come up with the same thing hey.

    I was told very recently on the telephone that the MRF has not split up. The NMO are not with the MRF. OSU is still doing their stuff. And the CDC are doing what they do, no study takes place there etc. Told me about the record message phone number for the CDC if I would like to call. She new nothing of a morgellons festival. The internt is full of lies that hurt many many people. Basically that phone call was a one way phone, I needed to talk to someone I was very ill and desperate, I needed to cry, laugh, swear and listened to and believed that what has happened to ME has been terrible, painful and the fear in my voice was so obviously. She helped me live another day, and for that I thank her in more ways she will ever know. And one of the last things she told me was she is still the same person she was when she started this.

    Remember one thing Mary Leitao told me a lot of stuff in our conversations, if I stayed away from the internet from the first phone call we made up until now – I can tell you this she never said one thing on the phone to hurt me directly, she made me laugh, she helped, what I did in between her phone calls was my doing, and my destiny, just like everyone else. We are all on our own hidden agenda. That is why the internet is a web. I just don’t climb very far, I stay within a few websites to feel safe, funny I know, but it works for me. Information overload will blow your brain trust me, it tried it on me.

  446. I don’t mean to sound rude, HAHAHAHA, but is it not unusual, to you, to consider your suggestion? You’re behaving irrationally, telling people, as a total stranger, to throw thier money into something that you can’t even tell us about. Now, maybe you’re just used to dealing with idiots, or something, but state your cause when you’re serious about one. Put a face to this, tell people what is going on in your life, as someone who is dealing with a victim. If you refuse to, then, you’re being a shady character, by my standards.

  447. I would like to share what has stirred such openness in myself apart from the obvious of the full moon, and my ill health. (For any research psychs out there I still sometimes think this is really all in my head and what has happened is my fault, but I listen to ME when I lie alone in my bed before I sleep, I take myself away from all and be alone. My body hurts, my brain hurts, everything really really hurts, but I still carry that little bit of guilt when trying my alone time, I put this down to mixed, crossed messages, internet doctors morgellons crap everything). With this syndrome I have if I am not completely alone I can wax and wane into paranoid cycles, anything can trigger this in me now, tv, radio etc. It followed my hormone cycles and the full moon. All this has been experienced during my recovery of my ailment in the last 6 months. I have been off Seroquel and Lexapro for 6 months, and during that time was not on the pill (contracpetive))) Know back on the pill, much more grounded.)

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    To continue on with what motivated me: The recent death of Steve Irwin, killed by a sting ray barb whilst filming on location in Port Douglas Queensland Australia for his daughter Biddy.

    I have never met Steve personally but I grieve for this man and his family. His death has empowered my struggle, to give (mental) empathy to others in time of need.

    I think God and mother nature are as thick as thieves or maybe they are the same thing, I am confused remember – I went to sunday school, but I never graduted really (did not get confirmed) so I have never eaten that white round stuff, or taken a sip of the wine because I was told I must never do that because it was in Gods house and there were rules. I abided by those rules within his house. But I do know he forgives me for my mishape one time………. “New Zealand, Xmas day, I was about 7 yrs – I took one of chrissy presents with me (a little pair of binocculars) so I could watch the minister up close and hear him at the same time, whilst eating some wing gums my grandma had posted me from the uk”

  448. PLEASE CONTRIBUTE TO OSU-

    IT IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

    They are making an attempt.

  449. Topic: White Fibers Fluoresce Blue Under UV

    #92 Houston Says:
    August 2nd, 2006 at 11:19 pm

    tall cotton

    would you consider taking care of a morgellons patient? I can arrange to have them delivered to your home maybe 4 or 5 patients? You would’nt be afraid of them would you?

    HAHAHAHA (aka Houston), could you consider, please, telling us about these particular 4 or 5 patients that you know, if talking about your mother is off-limits? Thank you.

  450. One last thing Michael I thought you might appreciate the words to the song since you liked it.

    Sorry if it is a longish post. Thanks

    Silence and I Lyrics
    Album : Eye In The Sky
    Artist : The Alan Parson Project

    (Lead vocal – Eric Woolfson)

    If I cried out loud
    over sorrows I’ve Known
    And the secrets I’ve heard
    It would ease my mind
    Someone sharing the load
    But I won’t breathe a word

    We’re two of a kind
    Silence and I
    We need a chance to talk things over
    Two of a kind
    Silence and I
    We’ll find a way to work it out

    While the children laughed
    I was always afraid
    of the Smile of the clown
    So I close my eyes
    Till I can’t see the light
    And I hide from the sound

    We’re two of a kind
    Silence and I
    We need a chance to talk things over
    Two of a kind
    Silence and I
    We’ll find a way to work it out

    I can hear the cry
    Of the leaf on a tree
    As it Falls to the ground
    I can hear the call
    of an Echoing voice
    And there’s no one around

    We’re two of a kind
    Silence and I
    We need a chance to talk things over
    Two of a kind
    Silence and I
    We’ll find a way to work it out

  451. Now you want to discuss a post I made 4 weeks ago. no thanks

  452. Sarach, thank you. I can relate, too, being a cripple (hehe) with nothing but time, trapped inside this new body.

  453. HAHAHAHA, don’t expect anyone to believe you, then. It’s as simple as that.

  454. HAHAHAHA,

    We know a lot of Morgies, and some of them are very, very ill. We have communicated with them for a long time. I can honestly say that there is no Morgellons Disease. We have a lot of accurate information on a lot of real disorders and diseases. But we can’t even make suggestions to point you in the right direction on your Mother’s behalf without some information about her symptoms. All we can do is try to convince you of this one fact. There is no Morgellons Disease. We’ve put a lot of study into this, how the myth started, why it started, who started it, why people believe it, what is really wrong with their health, at least in some cases, and how this myth is being used by some opportunists as a money maker. I do with your Mother the best of health and a speedy recovery.

    Tall Cotton

  455. HAHAHA….If I knew that were even 1/2 true, I would even donate….I just want some answers and we have waited long enough. But then again, is this man not volunteering? I just know, someone somewhere in that college knows what is going on.

    I usually never would consider donating to an institution that I hold in suspect, but then again. We need organization.

    Hey, would love all of you guys opinions on a very short (4 sentences) email re: this subject.

    It is remarkable that people will not organize.
    What should be done is to bring money together to establish this organzation and for this this you need an inspired (retired) attorney or notary or at least a few trained people – with intellect!

    Goals could be formulated e.g bring money together to screen the micro organism by a blue chip company, run susceptibility tests, seek litigation etc.

    If a legal base would be brought into existence the matter can be assessed in about four months.

    If 5000 people could donate up to 10 dollar an initial survey can be established.

    Its no use to keep on speculating what the concept represents in detail, because for this you need to run multiple tests.

    The power is in the organization of things.

    And Sarah BD, I’m sorry I got so rough earlier. I just finished writing you a post but somehow lost it with the stroke of a key…..It basically said/ told of the building up of anger some of us are experiencing. Anyway, I only can and will take so much…..you’re prob. thinking that you did not do hardly anything at all to provoke my anger, but you must realize some of us have been thru a lot , lost a lot > then when we thought that our friends from organizations to message boards were here to help us but instead stabbed us- well, one can see the anger.

    okay, rambling here. Just wanted you to know where I was coming from. I can not and will not take much more pain from this, from all of this……

    London

  456. We are not going away. Thats a promise.

  457. I think you’re already pretty far gone.

  458. We aint even started yet.

  459. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Your job obviously depends on it.

  460. Well then, you had better get started. We’ve been waiting on you to show us some evidence. You havn’t produced anything yet. If Morgellons was a disease, and I had it, I might be afraid. But it ain’t, and I don’t. Neither does your Mother!! Goodnight, Houston.

  461. Part I

    Friends and family members of morgies, look at this list to register for “morgellons disease”, which they’re passing off as “a multi-symptom disease” (quite conveniently). People obviously know absolutely nothing about what they have been diagnosed with, since they’ve become infested with fibers, and thoroughly convinced they’re infected with a “new disease”, a “new organism”, a “new pathogen”

    http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/registration.cfm

    Diagnosis by a physician: (check all that apply)

    Autoimmune disease

    Autoimmune diseases arise from an overactive immune response of the body against substances and tissues normally present in the body. In other words, the body attacks its own cells. Today there are more than 40 human diseases classified as either definite or probable autoimmune diseases, and they affect 5% to 7% of the population. Almost all autoimmune diseases appear without warning or apparent cause, and most patients suffer from fatigue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autoimmune_diseases

    *Click onto the correct high-lighted disease from that article, read about IT, and research “IT”

    Chronic fatigue

    http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3392.htm

  462. Part II

    Delusions of parasitosis

    http://www.fpnotebook.com/DER258.htm

    Note what the the beginning of this abstract says

    Abstract:

    “Delusional parasitosis is the false belief that one’s body is infested with one or many different living organisms.”

    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/acli/2003/00000015/F0020003/00476718

    Eczema

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/eczema.html

    Fibromyalgia

    http://www.emedicine.com/pmr/topic47.htm

    Foliculitis

    http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic159.htm

    Lyme disease (Borreliosis)

    http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1346.htm

    Multiple Sclerosis

    http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic321.htm

  463. Part III

    Neuro-dermatitis

    http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic350.htm

    Psoriasis

    http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic489.htm

    Psychiatric condition

    http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medical/psychiatric_conditions.htm

    Search the appropriate condition

    Scabies

    http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic517.htm

    And last, an excerpt from that first link up above, on it…

    Differential diagnosis for DOP:

    1. Schizophrenia
    2. Major Depression with Psychosis
    3. Bipolar Disorder with manic Psychosis
    4. Vitamin B12 Deficiency
    5. Multiple Sclerosis
    6. Syphilis
    7. Cerebrovascular Accident
    8. Hallucination of insects crawling on skin (formication)

    1. Drug intoxication (e.g. Cocaine, Amphetamine)
    2. Drug Withdrawal (e.g. Alcohol Withdrawal)

    (I would be VERY AFRAID if I were in your mother’s position, if I had to depend on you for help, Houston.)

  464. I’m continously in awe of the delusion that, Michael, a retired computer programmer, and TC& I, who are both unable to work, are the CDC ar some other clandestine force. We’re just people who care about people, which is something that many of you seem to be obviously unaccustomed to in your lives.

  465. Thank you for clarifying that smellyshins, TCCDC has not yet addressed the issue. I do not suffer with this condition or do I personally know anyone who suffers with this. However, in reading your defensive plan, I was somewhat skeptic that you were actually trying to help people. These people need help. sara has been a big help for these people. where are you sara? Havent seen you post for awhile. Do you have anymore great articles? Sorry about my name change. I like this one way better.

  466. I wonder if a prescription of Sporonox or another anti-fungal medication (taken over a long course) would help.

  467. Trevor,

    I’m an ex-morgellons believer. I was sucked into the myth like everyone else. This began shortly after the MRF first began in 2002. I’ve probably made at least a couple of thousand posts on the message boards of the believers. I do not work for the CDC, or anyone else for that matter. I’m working on a disability retirement at the present time, through Social Security. It’s primarily because I have severe COPD. I do not represent any organization or foundation. You can find my story by clicking on my name. The first part of the story is about Smileykins. The second part is about me.

    Tall Cotton

  468. Trevor,

    I do not suffer with this condition or do I personally know anyone who suffers with this. However, in reading your defensive plan, I was somewhat skeptic that you were actually trying to help people.

    You’d said that you have it, and requested Sarah to call you. You do have some of the characteristics. “Help people?” You don’t know a thing about “morgellons disease”, that’s obvious. Yes, you’ve got it.

    Thanks C. I’m sure Sporonox, taken like that, could possibly work some people who only have a fungal infection, but morgie people have a few other things going on, too. I’m familiiar with having read that quite a few morgies take/use medicines, oral/topicals, improving some, but then, discontinuing them. Then, they claim that their morgie critters have returned, so they start back, again. Do they “understand” the correct way treat anything?

    No.

  469. “# Trevor Slocum sara biones friend Says:
    September 6th, 2006 at 6:16 pm

    sara “open your eyes and see” I just read your email to sonya/ Pretty eye opening!!!!”

    Who’s Sonya? Huh?

    Also, if it was really an email from me, it was signed with this, meaning, you’ve just violated the law.

    “This communication is for use by the intended recipient(s) only and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of this document or information contained in this document is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me by reply e-mail or fax, permanently delete this communication from your system, and destroy any hardcopies you may have printed. This communication is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521.”

    I’d avoid that, as a nice lawsuit or settlement would really help me with my student loans:

  470. London Says:

    “And Sarah BD, I’m sorry I got so rough earlier…..Anyway, I only can and will take so much…..you’re prob. thinking that you did not do hardly anything at all to provoke my anger, but you must realize some of us have been thru a lot , lost a lot > then when we thought that our friends from organizations to message boards were here to help us but instead stabbed us- well, one can see the anger.”

    London, your vicious post was so nonsensical that I didn’t bother trying to decipher what you were attempting to say after the first few lines.

    I know you think you’ve lost a lot. I’m empathize. But being vicious on blogs is rather counterintuitive to getting people to help you, wouldn’t you think? Surely I have better things to do with my money than donate it to OSU who wants to help “Morgellons”, when people with “Morgellons” call me names and make erroneous accusations about my person.

    You did make a major mistake about calling it a worm, and saying it was “causing” HIV. It’s neither of those things, and there is a huge difference between a protozoa and a worm. There is a huge difference between a person being more susceptible to a disease because of HIV than a sandfly causing HIV.

    I would never say “worm” meaning “protozoa.” It’s not a colloquialism. Using precise language gives what you say credit, and if you say one thing and mean something entirely different, then your ideas and comments are baseless.

  471. Oh, sara, I have friends in very, very high places. I do not think that you will be filing any lawsuit. However I know some great attorneys in your area. Please hire one. Oh, you don’t have the money do you????? Did I disclose anything?

    Smiley kins. That was a private message for sara. She knows what I am talking about.

    Sara my friend taught at your school. You should hear all the “wonderful” things people there say about you.

  472. London, having rheumatoid arthritis puts you in a very misfortunate group among our population. It is a pity that you aren’t treating for it, because it will continue it’s course of destruction, causing you irreversible damage. It is, completely, your own body’s immune system attacking itself. You’ll need to be treated, through whomever diagnosed it, and placed on immunosuppresive drugs and anti-inflammatory ones. That could help slow down the destruction that your body is doing to itself. Also, whatever you’d mention about your husband’s venous situation is treatable, also.

    I have the rheumatoid factor in my blood, too, and I sometimes also get small venous ulcers. I don’t have a non-existent disease, but it’s my own immune system eating me up, so to speak. Many people who think that they have “morgellons disease” have such things, otherwise, that list of conditions that they have been diagnosed with, would not be associated with this big farce. Farce? No, that isn’t the word for it. It’s so transparent to most people what is being done to others, in having snookered people who could be snookered. Had I heard of such a thing, at one time, I could have possibly been hoodwinked into it too.

    Look on some message boards for rheumatoid arthrits. Gee whiz, do some research on it. I inherited the rheumatoid factor, and you have too. It runs in families, like most things do. Sure, such diseases seem “mysterious”, and they “are”, but it’s genetics, not some “new disease” for pity sakes.

    Another thing, when some people start on medications, good grief, read the side effects listed for them. Those aren’t morgie creatures migrating around, that’s a person’s own body reacting to medication’s side effects.

  473. “Oh, sara, I have friends in very, very high places. I do not think that you will be filing any lawsuit. However I know some great attorneys in your area. Please hire one. Oh, you don’t have the money do you????? Did I disclose anything?”

    I’m just letting you know you’re breaking the law, in case you didn’t read thoroughly. I don’t really care, as I don’t say anything in private that I couldn’t say in public. I also am greatly amused at your delusions of grandeur– friends in high places.

    “Smiley kins. That was a private message for sara. She knows what I am talking about.”

    Sarah has no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t remember any Sonya, nor any email, nor do I care.

    “Sara my friend taught at your school. You should hear all the “wonderful” things people there say about you. ”

    Oh, really? In what department? What is their name? You can email me at sbdjunkmail@gmail.com if you want to tell me in private. From a school of 35,000, it’s nice to hear the world is small enough that we have a mutual friend. I also hear wonderful things about my work, I’m happy to hear your friend appreciates it. :)

  474. Trevor, if you think you’re not a morgie, examine:

    1. why you’re compelled to harrass anyone
    2. why you need to give any background on yourself, in hopes of showing, what you think of as, an elevated status in world, in some sort of an effort of bringing validation, of yourself, to others
    3. why you have delusions about other people
    4. why you are so defensive, when you’re posting on a public forum
    5. why you’re such a coward that you can’t address anyone after they have asked you to, after your harrassments

    What’s caused you to feel so inferior, anyway, Trevor? You’d better get an appointment with your golfing buddy’s wifey-poo, I think. Maybe she’ll give you a discount.

  475. Next in line, is for the little man to come back with a flippant remark of some sort. Keep us posted, Sarah, if Trevor can come through with the fortitude to email his problem to you. I wouldn’t hold my breath, because he couldn’t address me on my blog with his grievances against me, or face up to anything.

  476. Good morning All.

    Some interesting posts above.

    I have to say I feel for Dr Wymore. The continual push from certain people to donate funds to OSU is really strange. If this is exactly what Dr Wymore would want people to do I am more than sure the man would have said it himself on television. He has never asked this of myself or anyone else I know.

    I have to agree with others on “we need more proof”. I am sure there are lots of people out there who would be more than willing to donate money if they felt it was going to aid a course, but once again we need “proof”. Internet message boards, and blog sites showing links to OSU for donations is just not enough.

    Show People the proof first. So HAHAHA put ya money where ya mouth is!

  477. There is a page at OSU that says:
    http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm

    # It will be cured when enough research is done to find its cause.

    # You can help by:

    * Contributing time, money and resources.
    * Spreading accurate information and combatting ignorance about the disease.

    Who wrote that? If not Wymore, then who?

    I find the OSU web site quite ridiculously unprofessional. It actually encourages people to contact their state health department and ask them what they are doing to spread awareness of “the disease”.

  478. Michael – I could not agree more. I found that website to be completely confusing to me.

    I said in past posts I have contacted OSU many times. BUT was told in an email that they CAN NOT collect specimens from everyone (I understand that). I think we already have enough “awareness” to the point it is sending many of us around the bend, YES including ME. I did write an email to Dr Wymore asking him if and when I could phone him. I am aware the man is very busy and I still have no reply. So if he does reply to me, I will perhaps phone him.

    I left a telephone message the other week at the OSU – a young woman called me back. We spoke for a while. She said they are collecting data and information on people reporting to have this syndrome (morgellons). She offered me her email address to send her all my relevant medical info. to help with their data.

    Well I have not done this. WHY??? Because I think I have given more than enough PERSONAL details to too many people, and I feel thousands of us have done this also.

    If this is what is going to be required – It should have be done LONG LONG AGO.

  479. I have often thought to myself of late – If this really is an infectious agent – wouldn’t you have thought the authorities would have moved on this much much sooner??

    I am a victim and a patient. I have spent 4 years telling doctors of unusual symptoms, then from November 2004 I was then telling them my unusual symptoms could be explained as “Morgellons” – handed them the web info, please take a look, can you help me?? please. Just like thousands of other innocent people. It is so unfair for us all.

  480. And our little innocent pets (ie. my cat) suffer from us all being “victims of our health system” – because we are so depressed and unwell.

    Sally and I have become so much closer recently. When I was so very ill before any kind of treatment she would not come near me, she was scared but I do not understand why. I think because her mum was different, it wasn’t really me. The psych meds did not work for ME, I was bombed out – not with the world so to speak. She understand I am still very unwell, but she knows that we need each other.

    She is my little baby and gee whiz I love her.

  481. Michael – I wanted to tell you. I got some flack about the “tea tree oil” taking it orally episode on another message board. I got angry and posted a rather “aggressive” reply. Of course I received an aggressive response, naturally.

    The only way I could deal with it was to direct the person to this website. I told her it would take me far too long to explain who I am, and why I say the things I say. I said to her please go to that website, feel free to post and ask about me (SarahConnor), please ask away I said. These people will tell you who I am, what I stand for, my intent, my past involvement with the MRF etc etc.

    I got a reply, she did come here and have a read.

    Funny thing – I did send an email to Thursday Plantation asking them if tea tree could be taken orally. I also explained why, did not mention Morgellons, BUT pointed out that if someome did take tea tree orally and die, they could maybe face a law suit. I have not had a reply back yet, not trying to cause trouble, just trying to prevent people from hurting themselves, that is all.

  482. To Sarah BioD – I don’t know London personally, but have followed her posts for a very long time, and have also had email communication with her only recently.

    Being very unwell and caught up in the “Morgellons” research is really really hard for people like me and London. Please don’t be hard on the lady, and please try to understand, we are very intelligent young woman, who once upon a time had really normal lives, went to work, complained about it from time to time – just like everyone else.

    I would love nothing more than to go back to work and live the routine lifestyle – BUT I can not at list stage. I do hope you can see it from our point of view as the victim, the patient. Thank you.

  483. Many of us don’t know, and aren’t accustomed to, the ways people think, or the full, complete, reasons behind it. However, I think lots of people are clearly able to see things from the point of view that people who believe in “morgellons disease”, and think that they have it, have. The group consists of people with all those conditions that are listed on the morgellons’ registration page, as well as any other ones that patients listed in the blank space provided. All those conditions have been diagnosed by a physician.

    Mary Leitao needed mental health treatment. She didn’t get it. She did what she did, instead, and made a website. Other sick people joined up with her line of thinking, because they could relate to it. Even, a nurse who had patients with late-stage lyme presenting in the same fashion, which baffled and confused her, signed onto the same belief. There are a handful of doctors, and nurses, also convinced of this woman’s “new disease”.

    People thinking they are all experiencing the same things, are not. Fibers in, and on, cutaneous tissues was what Leitao started this as, with a young boy named Drew, who doctors found nothing wrong with, other than eczema. The mother, by her own admission, was said to be the sick one, not the child, and I wholeheartedly agree.

    After she got people to join her, knowing that a large number of them already had OCD, she threw gasoline, so to speak, onto the fire, and instructed her followers to buy the necessary equipment to set them on a neverending course to keep them caught up in her non-existing disease.

    Look at the propanda they’ve spread. Texastar, can you come forth concerning this, again?

    When you’d said to Michael:

    Several doctors have seen and reported in the media events as to seeing the fibers. quit reading off of last months menu and present some meat and potatoes instead of your unfounded spun, selfserving verbage.

    I’d commented:

    We know of Drs. Casey & Wymore, and Smith (”victim”, also) from televsion-land. Elsewhere, who, other than, Harvey, Stricker, Smith (again), all in on it, and Squirts (sorry, Schwartz), and Bev Drotter (”victim”, also).

    Do you mean “several doctors”, other than them? They hardly qualify.

    Now, how has this been so easy to do to people? Because all they’ve wanted was for somebody to believe them. Period. No questions asked. Just believe.

    PhD Randy Wymore’s involvement is very troubling, based on the things he has shown us of himself. Yes, he is very unprofessional in his manners of communicating. I only can see it as him wording things specifically for a set of confused people without the capacity to see through his deception, because he sounds like a kook. Excuse, me, a whole lot, but he does.

  484. Skooze the usual typos. Also, I forgot to mention the exhaustive letter writing campaigns this woman got her followers do to for her. For “her”, now, all because she is a mother with apparent MSBP and out to try to prove something. She got a good many followers to think along with her, and to neglect and misunderstand the conditions they’ve already had disagnoses for. Look at how her lie has expanded, and grown, on such a misfortunate section of society. They’re calling this a “multi-symptom disease”!!! It’s just what individuals have, not her made up crap. How many people have followed through on the CDC’s instructions to go to their local health care providers? I know I have read quite a few accounts of people saying that they didn’t want any more of the same treatment from doctors. Treat what you have….it’s way more than enough.

  485. http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html

    Common Mistakes in Applying the Scientific Method

    As stated earlier, the scientific method attempts to minimize the influence of the scientist’s bias on the outcome of an experiment. That is, when testing an hypothesis or a theory, the scientist may have a preference for one outcome or another, and it is important that this preference not bias the results or their interpretation. The most fundamental error is to mistake the hypothesis for an explanation of a phenomenon, without performing experimental tests. Sometimes “common sense” and “logic” tempt us into believing that no test is needed. There are numerous examples of this, dating from the Greek philosophers to the present day.

    Another common mistake is to ignore or rule out data which do not support the hypothesis. Ideally, the experimenter is open to the possibility that the hypothesis is correct or incorrect. Sometimes, however, a scientist may have a strong belief that the hypothesis is true (or false), or feels internal or external pressure to get a specific result. In that case, there may be a psychological tendency to find “something wrong”, such as systematic effects, with data which do not support the scientist’s expectations, while data which do agree with those expectations may not be checked as carefully. The lesson is that all data must be handled in the same way.

    Another common mistake arises from the failure to estimate quantitatively systematic errors (and all errors). There are many examples of discoveries which were missed by experimenters whose data contained a new phenomenon, but who explained it away as a systematic background. Conversely, there are many examples of alleged “new discoveries” which later proved to be due to systematic errors not accounted for by the “discoverers.”

    In a field where there is active experimentation and open communication among members of the scientific community, the biases of individuals or groups may cancel out, because experimental tests are repeated by different scientists who may have different biases. In addition, different types of experimental setups have different sources of systematic errors. Over a period spanning a variety of experimental tests (usually at least several years), a consensus develops in the community as to which experimental results have stood the test of time.

    Tall Cotton

  486. Well, very good, TC, however, my mind fails to see how scientific based minds got involved in this BS, and how they are ignorant of the fact that they are supporting a lie, as well as a crime, that was begun by a mentally ill mother, who, to this day, is pulling connetive tissue from her child’s sore on his lip that she won’t allow to heal.

  487. smileykins Says:
    September 7th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
    Well, very good, TC, however, my mind fails to see how scientific based minds got involved in this BS.

    Well I don’t have a scientific mind, BUT I am a thinker – only way I can see it is to make MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Whatelse????

    “Money makes the world go round, the world go round, the world go round” (It doesn’t really – BUT some seem to think so)

  488. Hi guys!

    I’m back. I’ve had to adjust my pysch meds – too much Prozac can cause mania – which

    I didn’t know. I did know that I was flying – so it wasn’t critical.

    Of course, I am still of the opinion that in my case, and my case only, that it has been

    a case of supra-infection of a case of Actinomycosis (which in itself is a mixed infection

    of several bacteria, as well as the actinomyces). I have been having success with treating

    topically with an anti-parasite. As well, I am treating my mind with an anti-psychotic

    that had been recommended over three years ago, but discontinued because of side effect

    (E.D) Now that my relationship has matured, I have found myself able to overcome these

    limitations. I’ve reapplied to Lymebusters, we’ll see??!? Quelle excitement with MRF, Big

    changes, eh? If I can get my act together, I’d like to go to OSU. No reply from them

    re:spectroscopic analysis of “fibres” or other samples for Calcium . I agree with you

    Tallcotton that this is not a new disease, that it has so many different forms in people

    however, it’s my hunch that it isn’t Munchausen’s.

    Love Pappa

  489. Nice to see you Pappasmurf and so glad you are doing well.

    Look I am not in any position to pass judgement on Mary Leitao or other members of the foundation and their reasons behind doing what they did. I have not met these people face to face.

    I think someone, somewhere needs to sit down with Mary and really listen to her. Ask her why she started this. IF for one moment she does have an illness of some description, she needs some help. If this is not the case, well then move onto something else and figure it out.

    Asking for donations for a disease that is not a real disease (so far) is just adding fuel to the already blazing fire.

    Don’t ya think it seems reasonable??

    I call it process of elimination.

  490. Wymore said that his reasons for becomming involved in this research was scientific curiosity and a desire to help the sufferers. But I think he has hastily chosen his hypothesis. It also appears to me one of his first experiments on “Morgellons fibers” failed to produce the predicted results. Fibers that withstand 1400 degrees farenheit are not likely part of an infectious disease. To answer your question, I think he started the project without first doing the needed preliminary research, and I think he chose his (wrong) hypothesis prematurely. It doesn’t appear to me that Wymore is demonstrating the qualities of a good scientist. He’s gonna have to get real lucky to come out of this on top. It’s not gonna happen.

    Tall Cotton

  491. Hey Sarach, tell Sally I said hi. Pappasmurf, where ya been keepin’ yourself? Nice to see ya back and doing well. I couldn’t agree more with you, that for a lot of people, this is not Munchausens. I do know of one person, with that specific diagnosis from LB, though. The list of conditions-already-previously-diagnosed-by-a-physician on the registration’s checklist, for this deceit, is enough proof, on its own merits, that the perpetrators of this, by saying it is a “multi-symptom disease”, are full of it.

  492. Well I am done with protecting other people. I am NOW thinking of ME and ME ALONE.

    Mary said the MRF has NOT broken up BUT I received an email from Dr Smith (today), and he says HE has split from the MRF.

    So SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE needs to get the media in SOMEONES face with a microphone and ask some bloody questions. Don’t ya think????!!!!

    For goodness sake – there are probably some poor folk (like I was) still over at Lymebusters looking for the illusive Pathogen, and then even contemplating suicide because nothing is making any sense to them.

    This is completely insane, and when someone does wrong – they should be punished.

    The LIES, INSANITY, HURT HAS TO STOP for the sake of INNOCENT VICTIMS!!!!

  493. The doctors that are still affiliated with the MRF need to be reminded of the “HYPOCRACTIC OATH” also.

    Because all I can say is that they have everything arse way up – HYPOCRITES!!!!

  494. You know something I handed that later from WYMORE TO MY doc who gave me the IV treatment. He read it and said “this is good – for your cause”.

    What sort of an answer was that???

    I see “my cause” as “lets just keep this poor sick woman on the merry go round and make lots of money from her” – “she is on a disability pension, so what, we are doctors, we work hard, we deserve the money”.

    Well I deserve the MONEY more than you two faced doctors and scientists.

    I will give ALL those docs and scientists involved with “Morgellons” a diagnosis – “You have a multi-system disease and it is called GREED”

  495. Hello Papasmurf,

    Glad to here you’re doing okay. I’m glad that you realize that the Morgies are suffering from many different medical problems. Most of the Morgies I’m familiar with seem to believe that Morgellons is a distinct disease and a large group is suffering from part of its broad set of symptoms. I don’t have any reason to think that most of these people are suffering from Munchhausen Syndrome, but it’s quite possible that some are. I do believe, however, that the founder of the MRF is suffering from Munchhausen Syndrome by Prozy, and that Dr. Wymore is having grandiose delusions.

    Sarach,

    As I understand it, doctors have already determined that M.L. is mentally ill. I could be wrong, but to me it looks very obvious. I strongly believe that she is hurting a lot of people.

    Tall Cotton

  496. Wymore said that his reasons for becomming involved in this research was scientific curiosity and a desire to help the sufferers.

    If Wymore had obtained any knowledge on the background of this, and had a geniune desire to help sufferers, he needed to drop out of the field he’s in, and go about trying to assist them in a believable way, rather than lying, and rather than obsessing over inconsequential fibers, and making himself look ridiculous. He obviously had no basis for his original involvement, other than sheer stupidity (unless, my original thoughts on the matter are accurate), in only falling for what he saw superficially, relating to “morgellons disease” and jumping into it, suffocated by his own obsession.

    Ooops, my opinion, only.

  497. Thanks TC – I like to keep an open mind. I will wait until I receive someting in writing somewhere, or whatever it takes to convince not only me BUT the entire world for that matter.

    Can’t comment on Wymore – he just needs to look at himself and really ask HIMSELF – “What, Where, When, How & Why”.

  498. As you already now I am a fan of The Alan Parsons Project and have been since 17 yrs of age.

    I think this particular song can ram it home for a few people visiting this blog. I suggest to you to listen to it, great music, instrumental, vocals etc. I find music very healing and always have. During my suffering of my ailments I could not listen to music, I lost the love for it, like I lost for everything, these things are slowly returning, oh yes it really is a “sore tooth curve”.

    Let’s Talk About Me
    (From the album “VULTURE CULTURE”)

    David Paton – Lead Vocal

    Let’s talk about me for a minute
    Well how do you think
    I feel about what’s been going on
    Let’s talk about me for a minute
    Well how do you think
    I feel about what’s gone wrong

    Let’s talk about dreams
    I never learned to read the signs
    Let’s think about what it all means
    I never seem to have the time

    Let’s talk about you and your problems
    All that I seem to do is spend the night
    Just talking ’bout you and your problems
    No matter what I say I can’t get it right

    Don’t think about dreams
    Is it all a waste of time
    Don’t think about what it all means
    If you are a friend of mine

    Talk about me, for a minute
    I’m the one who’s losing
    Talk about me, for a minute
    I’m the one who’s always losing out

    And how do you think
    I feel about what’s been going on
    Let’s talk about me for a minute
    Well how do you think
    I feel about what’s gone wrong

    Let’s think about dreams
    We never seem to have the time
    Let’s talk about what it all means
    If you are a friend of mine

    Let’s talk about me
    I’m the one who’s losing out
    I’m the one who’s losing out
    I’m the one who’s losing out, losing out

    Talk about me, for a minute
    I’m the one who’s losing
    Talk about me, for a minute
    I’m the one who’s always losing out

  499. Since a contribution to OSU-Morgellons is tax deductible, why send the same money to the IRS? They are not trying to find an answer to this problem.

    Please research Starlink, Cry9c and the other Cry.xxx bio-engineered foods and their possible long-term health affects. It is interesting the CDC did not report the findings of their survey of those folks. Starving third-world countries would not take a major contribution from the US of this franken-food, yet we are basically human guinea pigs in the US everyday. My bet is this problem lies in the food supply.

  500. No HAHAHAHA the problem for the American people is the Governing power over the CDC.

    I am only a lay person, never liked politics or get involved, BUT I will on this occasion YOUR Mr George W. Bush (you know “Walker Texas Ranger” aka Chuck Norris) is NOT very popular in my neck of the woods. Glad his term will be over soon.

    You people in the USA need all the help you can get. And remember I’m in Aussie and I don’t give a hoot about tallking the TRUTH, isn’t that what this site is albout folks debunking, etc for the TRUTH.

    Anyway gotta run HAHAHAHA can’t sit around all day talking to you about canned food gone wrong, gm food etc. Maybe you could start your own website about your Starlink project babble, you can’t solve ALL the problems of the world you know, especially by using OTHER PEOPLE. So on that note I gotta fly…..late already for lunch with my sis, byyeeee……

  501. And so what if the OSU website is not organized as well as this one, they have better things to worry about.

  502. Sarach-

    What does your rambling about Bush and Walker have to do with anything Mate?

  503. HAHAHAHA, people tend to behave in a particular fashion when they sincerely want others to believe them. You claim to not think that you’re afflicted with “morgellons disease”, but that you know of others who are, unfortunately, including your mother.

    Why do you refuse to give us the valid reasons, that you surely must have, to believe they are “morgellons disease victims”? That spells out “do not believe me”, where I come from, when you are that evasive.

  504. I am way past trying to convince anyone. I am trying to find its cause, and will.

  505. The OSU website is publishing a pack of lies!!

    Why would I donate money to a liar?

    There’s worthwhile, non-morgellons, organizations that are both tax exempt and worthy of contributions.

    It’s easy enough to find one without too much difficulty.

    GM foods has very little, if anything, to do with causing the symptoms that Morgellons believers are suffering.

  506. You are very defensive of GM Foods. Good for you. Why do you have that position?

  507. Morgellons is many separate and unrelated illnesses. There is no one cause, and there is no “it” for you to find. So, no, you aren’t going to find it. That’s another delusion.

  508. I’ll tell you what, even though I know better (I think?)….

    #508HAHAHAHA Says:
    September 7th, 2006 at 8:01 pm

    Since a contribution to OSU-Morgellons is tax deductible, why send the same money to the IRS? They are not trying to find an answer to this problem.

    …that this constant persistant of yours, HAHAHAHA, comes across, only, as a person involved in soliciting funds for OSU, and nothing more. You lack any substance in telling us about how this has affected you, and those in your life, so I can only draw the conclusions from what you do post, here.

  509. # HAHAHAHA Says:
    September 7th, 2006 at 8:39 pm

    I am way past trying to convince anyone. I am trying to find its cause, and will.

    Sounds like pure deceit, to me, and nothing more.

  510. BELIEVE ME & DONATE MONEY!!!!!!!

    Why? Oh, because I said to.

    Umm, HAHAHAHA, not everybody is that easy & gullible, whether you know this, or not.

  511. HAHAHAHAHA. Coun’t em, HAHAHAHA. That was laughter, and yes, I was laughing at you. You’re the joke of the day.

    Tall Cotton

  512. IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE HAS THIS PROBLEM, PLEASE SEND A DONATION TO DR. WYMORE AT OSU-MORGELLONS.

    You guys are suggesting we sit on our a## and do nothing but whistle. Dismissing it as just this disease or another proves nothing. Provide one single case study, please. I would be happy to read it. Clasifying everyone reporting the same symptoms as crazy is ludicrious. 6,000 walking, normal folks, doctors, police, ballplayers, successfull real estate folks just wolk up one day and all the sudden their crazy. Do you realize how unreal that sounds? Can you provide a single case study to back your position? Genetically engineered food makes sense, considering the geography of this situation.

  513. Smoke and mirrors boys, that is what this site is about.

  514. Since a contribution to OSU-Morgellons is tax deductible, why send the same money to the IRS?

    Why not send it to the IRS? At least I know where it’s going.

    They are not trying to find an answer to this problem.

    Define the problem, and tell me who is doing what about it. I’m not going to send anyone my money just because they are not the IRS.

  515. Is Tall Cotton the result of Genetically Modified Crops, Hmmm?

  516. Sarahconner Says:

    “I don’t know London personally, but have followed her posts for a very long time, and have also had email communication with her only recently.

    Being very unwell and caught up in the “Morgellons” research is really really hard for people like me and London. Please don’t be hard on the lady, and please try to understand, we are very intelligent young woman, who once upon a time had really normal lives, went to work, complained about it from time to time – just like everyone else.”

    Ms. Conner, I empathize with London’s suffering. I want to do what I can to make that stop for her, and for you.

    You can remind me that I don’t know her, but allow me to remind you that you, nor London, know me. It’s hard for her to be having physical ailments, surely. But take a moment and put yourself in the shoes of a person who receives vicious, hateful, spiteful messages on blogs, emails, and message boards, for studying something that allegedly has nothing to do with “Morgellons.” May I fly off the handle and call people names and say false things, and then apologize, will you be here to ask others to take it easy, that I’m having a hard time? I would not think so.

    London is having a hard time, and though that is a reason for her having a short fuse. However, it’s not an excuse for saying false, vicious things. People, including me, must be accountable for their actions and words.

  517. There was a campaign back in ’68, Nixon vs Johnson year , called VOTE FOR ME!

    It was kinda like our Rhinocerous Party a little later in Montreal. Anyway folks

    I will be dropping by from time 2 thyme

    TC – what doesn’t melt @ xxx degrees , made by the ‘normal’ human body-

    Calcium – bones. teeth and with Actinomyces – the so-called sulphur bodies

    and guess what ? when they rise to the surface of the skin – thru the hair

    follicles – you pull tweeze etc. the hair then grows entrapped under the skin

    creating pressure on the nerve that each follicle is equipped with.

    Then you get two hairs trying to come thru the scar tissue – you squeeze, tweeeze

    and the hair grows linearly under the epidermis – along with colonies of Actino( -ray)

    myces( – fungus) that’s an anaerobic bacteria actually along with several co- conspirators

    Staph, Strep. throw in some chromogenic ones for red or blue fibres(hair covered with A-

    a string of pearls) Toss it in a furnace – guess what? The calcium coat don’t fry!

    As well, the calcium protects the bacteria, hair and whatever f***n’ insects, mites from

    the bodies natural immunity, circulating antibodies, macrophages etc.

    I am going to re-read your earlier comments about sci- bias ; I appreciate an active,

    questioning mind, it’s so cool. All I’m asking for is spectro-analysis for calcium

    If positive, employ a standardized PCR for Actinomycosis and you may well see how

    these multisymptom diseases may be in fact related to one another.

    No new disease, just the internet bringing together sufferers for a new understanding -

    an overstanding! See you guys manana

    Love Pappa

  518. HAHAHAHA, these 6000 folk you speak of. How do you know they all have the same symptoms? I’ve not seen any evidence that these 6000 people even exist.

    The list of symtoms on the survey they supposedly all filled out was exactly the same as the symptoms of menopause. Because of this we should donate money?

  519. No homosapiens bleeding monthly should not be misconstrued with people with severe alergic reactions.

  520. Why not send it to the IRS? At least I know where it’s going.

    Wow- Thats a blind and deaf statement.

    The boys at OSU are doing an outstanding job, considering their resources. Why would you try to limit their funding?

  521. I’ll stop by and argue with you later. PLEASE DONATE TO OSU.

  522. The boys at OSU are doing an outstanding job, considering their resources. Why would you try to limit their funding?

    What sort of job are they doing on what? And who is trying to limit their funding?

  523. Can you back up anything that you say on here, at all, and give any reasons why, HAHAHAHA, or are you merely the type of person who has always swallowed everything, just because you know no better than to follow along, and believe in anything you’ve ever been told? Not everyone is like that, and you must not be accustomed to it. Forgive me, but can you not realize you’re not making any sense, or that you aren’t even attempting to?

  524. Dear Sarah Bionedunn – Thank you for your reply. I do appreciate and have to say agree also with what you said. I am still coming out of the fog (so to speak) as you have probably gathered, I apologise if my comments hurt you in anyway.

    My purpose for staying here and blogging is like therapy for me, I have had far too much negative “computer” and “internet” work during my illness and I want to turn that around.

    Thanks again for the reply.

  525. HAHAHAHA Says:

    September 7th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
    Sarach-What does your rambling about Bush and Walker have to do with anything Mate?

    Well HAHAHAHA – That was my Eng/Aussie humour coming out. You know the TV programme Texas Ranger – chuck norris? – well that is what I call Bushy boy because he is from Texas, and I think he fancies himself as a bit of a stud. That’s all.

    Oh by the way – I ain’t “your” mate, stick with your own lingo thanks.

    You want my opinion on donating funds to OSU? Well I will give you one – the MRF have been well aware from the moment I registered with them that I had extremely advanced symptoms which fitted the “Morgellons” picture. At that time I had no idea I actually had an infectious disease, I knew myself I had MCS (self diagnosis). You know I knew before I registered that the illusive pathogen produced cellulose because of what came out of my body on one particular occasion. This was scanned and emailed to MRF, I placed a US coin next to it a dime or quarter from memory so they could estimate length/width. Oh yes indeedy this stretched like a piece of elastic, I had 3 Engineers(personal friends/family) give it the once over, said …. never seen anything like it, incredile.

    Now do you think this is where the MRF got the catch phrase “we know that it produces very long and very large cellulose”??? I used to call it human bungy rope in my body.

    Following my registration with MRF I forwarded them every single piece of personal and relevant information immediately. Given my state of mind now – I would never ever do it again for anyone. Now then, Dr Wymore came on the scence EARLY, I had been fed so much talk about clinical setting study, findings, research, etc etc – I was ready to drop, all I wanted was for someone to do a clinical study on me via a Melbourne doc/hosp and send the findings to Dr Wymore. No no no, media was more important at that time!!! Mean while Morgellons victims are suffering and chafing at the bit just waiting for things to change!!!! Oh and still are!!

    Hope you are following so far HAHAHAHA – ok if MRF wanted to BLOW this new infectious disease wide open and gain the attention from the CDC they had their chance with ME in Australia. I was a walking nightmare. Dr Wymore obviously earns more money than I do, sad thing is that he gets paid to come out with crap about the fibers. I have known the entire time that alot of my fibers were environmental, or my jumper for that matter, even my wig hair made its way in my body, and came out from under my armpit from unbroken skin, whilst applying moisturiser.

    I don’t believe the fibers are the major issue at all, even I know that, my point being – How does the body/skin suck in and hold in environmental contaminants? Why? – I told myself ozone, global warming and MCS, stress etc.

    I have had the answer to my ailments the whole time this circus of Morgellons and MRF has been going on, BUT no one would give me the time of day to listen to my theories. I didn’t want them to read website crap, I wanted to tell someone “professional” what I felt, what my organs and brain told me – had they listened long ago I wouldn’t be here now repeating this rubbish to YOU. Even though I kinda new in my heart what was happening, SOMEONE else kept planting crap in my head about an illusive pathogen, so naturally I go looking because as a human I wanted answers.

    So HAHAHAHA – if you read between the lines – it basically says – they (MRF) ALL had their chance LONG LONG ago. I find it an utter disgrace that certain people have done this for no other reason than fame and money. Well come on down baby coz I will help ya get famous!!! If any of that lot think they really really know me just because they have my personal & medical info – hink again buddy!

    Oh I seriously believe there has been some “trading” of very personal information from my medical files across the waters – don’t know who is behind, or who did what – BUT one thing the MRF didn’t realise is that this girl got a very good memory, and it just gets better the more I flush out the MRF crap.

    That good enough for ya HAHAHAHA..

  526. One more thing HAAAAAAA – I don’t believe the MRF met one another by chance, or by fate, or whatever the hell you wanna call it. The whole thing to me looks like an entire set up.

    Whatelse could it possibly be? This is the 21st century, wake up. The pain I have suffered I can not put into words. I cried so hard one night from the severe pain in my lumbar spine that all the neighbours heard. I kept telling my family this is inhumane and cruel. Yes HAAAAAAAAA very cruel indeed when professional medical people were trying to pin the hydochrondria title on me. You know even the diagnosis of BDD had me and my family shaking our hands, I had to read the damn book “Broken Mirror” to try to convince myself this is what I had. BUT I had never had plastic surgery, or tried to reshape my nose with a pair of tweezers. Even my dad read it, told the shrink he was horrified reading it, but it just didn’t fit the picture of HIS daughter.

    That particular shrink diagnosed me with BDD after attending a conference in Melbourne (I think the author of the “Broken Mirror” was there), I hardly new him and he hardly new me, it was probably my third or fourth appointment!!!! Hilarious I know. Oh yes a great piece of advice he gave me in trying to assist my BDD was to only spend 15 minutes doing my shower and grooming, he said that was how long it took him including shaving in the shower and dressing. Well Bully for him, hope he slips on the soap and bangs his willy on the hot tap!!!

    Time to feed your ma another can of corn.

  527. Papasmurf,

    Crematoriums operate between 1500 and 1900 degrees farenheit. That means that 1500 is sufficient enough to do the job. At that temperature bones do turn to ash. Wymore supposedly heated the fibers he tested to 1400 degrees.

    Tall Cotton

  528. Sarach, you’re just a total riot, sometimes!! I think I’ll go have some corn, too, right now, and contemplate suing Monsanto. Got nothin’ better to do, and I’m gettin’ a lil bit hungry.

  529. The bones don’t entirely turn to ash. There are many fragments left which get put in the cremulator.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation

    But still – ceramic coated hairs? What would Occam say?

  530. You guys are still talking about this fake disease. Man, this shit is played out.

  531. I think occam has already rolled over in his grave.

  532. What would Occam say?

    I think he’d clear his throat, hock up a gooby, and say for people to treat *only* what they have been diagnosed with.

  533. (Oh, I left out that I think Occam would probably spit, and say, “Pa-tooey, and, phoney-baloney”.)

    People need to wake up to what they’ve got, and that’s all they need to do. My goodness, there are beaucoup support message boards for every one of the conditions listed in “association with morgellons disease” on the registration page. Can a morgie tell anybody about the thing(s) they really have, that were previously diagnosed? It sure seems to not be the case. Can a morgie tell anyone about what they think is “morgellons disease”? Well, it’s too often the case that the answer is no on that, too. Oh, they’ll quite often refer to other people, all around the world, but evade telling much on a personal level. It’s more about getting angered, and telling people to come give them hug. If people want to be understood, that isn’t the way to go about it. Now, if somebody is going along with you, no questions asked, all I have to say is, you’d better beware, because you’re going to be taken for a ride, anytime that happens. Regardless of what the circumstances are, or what all is involved, con artists all operate the same exact ways. They’re experts at making you think they care about you, no questions asked. Blind trust is a bad thing to have.

  534. …there are beaucoup support message boards for every one of the conditions listed in “association with morgellons disease” on the registration page.

    I’m sorry that is confusing. I knew what I meant, but I didn’t quite say it right. If you’re familiar with the registration process for “morgellons disease”, you know that there are no links to message boards for that list of conditions-previously-diagnosed-by-a-physician for people to check off, and/or to fill in the blank space for “other”, for ones not listed.

    I mean, that each person who has the condition(s) that they have been previously diagnosed with, need to study what those conditions are, and what to expect from their symptoms, and that there are plenty of support message boards for them to relate to others with those same conditions.

    That probably made it more confusing. Hehehe. Sorry. “Morgellons disease” is not a “multi-symptom disease”. Mary Leitao made her case definition up from that list of things that people registered. If anybody wants to help themselves, they HAVE to stick with what the heck they have, and not her concocted nonsense. If OCD is keeping anyone stuck in it, if a panic disorder is keeping anyone stuck in it, I hope you can try to find your way out. I hope everyone can, who’s stuck in it.

  535. Sarach-

    First of all Bushy aint my boy, dont like Walker and since you wanted to use Texas folks as an example, I thought it would be appropriate to reply with something from Aussie.

    Second, I have a member of my family with this crap. I would not wish it on anyone. She is not dilusional, and definately not stupid. Nuff said there.

    Third, if you dont have a problem w/ Monsanto and bio-engineered foods, you may have answered your own problem.

    Fourth- MRF is a basically single individual. OSU is a teaching medical school involved in research. The CDC recommends seeing such facilities when mysterious ailments are involved. I think you made a mistake in releasing all your personal information to MRF and should reconsider getting involved with OSU. I was in contact with Wymore well before his name hit the media.

    Fifth- Keep getting get nasty with the stupid can of corn remarks and I will suggest sticking a stingray barb up your A** to relieve your discomfort.

    Good night from Texas

  536. HAHAHAHA, if you don’t care what people think of your opinions, then why do you post them?

  537. Quoted from a web site

    Forty years ago, most scientists thought DDT a safe and
    promising addition to agriculture. Thalidomide was given
    to pregnant women by their doctors. Nuclear power was touted
    as the cleanest energy source on Earth. Marketed prematurely,
    each of these technological innovations brought unforeseen,
    unwanted and tragic consequences that could have been easily
    avoided through proper long-term safety testing. Haven’t
    we learned anything from our mistakes?

    >From soil to superviruses: In 1994, a genetically engineered
    bacterium developed to aid in the production of ethanol
    produced residues that rendered the land infertile. New crops
    planted on this soil grew three inches tall and fell over dead.

    The food chain: In 1996, scientists discovered that ladybugs
    that had eaten the aphids that had eaten genetically engineered
    potatoes died.

    The immune system: In 1998, research by Dr. Arpad Pusztai
    uncovered the potential for genetically altered DNA to weaken
    the immune system and stunt the growth of baby rats.

    Monarch butterflies: In May 1999, researchers at Cornell
    University discovered that monarch butterflies died unexpectedly
    from eating milkweed plants that had been dusted with the pollen
    of genetically engineered Bt corn.

    Pregnant mice: A 1998 study showed that DNA from the food fed
    to pregnant mice ended up in their intestinal lining, white
    blood cells, brain cells,and their fetuses. This suggests that
    the genetically engineered DNA in the food we eat can end up
    in our own cells.

    Honeybees: Last May, a leading European zoologist found the
    genes from genetically engineered canola jumped the species
    barrier and were picked up by the bacteria in the digestive
    tracts of bees. This indicates that antibiotic-resistant genes
    in genetically engineered foods can cause the bacteria in our
    own intestines to mutate into superbugs that cannot be killed
    by antibiotics.

    Superviruses: Viral promoters are invasive agents used by
    genetic engineers to trick a cell into accepting and integrating
    an alien gene into the cell’s own DNA. Some scientists predict
    that releasing viral promoters into the gene pool could lead
    to the creation of superviruses and novel infectious diseases
    for organisms at every level of life–from bacteria to humans.

    These are just some of the dangers that are discernible in the
    premature marketing of genetically engineered products. The
    biotech industry is eager to point to their so-called successes
    while keeping their failures under wraps.

    Next is the story of rBGH, recombinant bovine growth hormone
    (or the story of genetically engineered milk). A Monsanto
    lawyer drafted a letter to the FDA to get rBGH approved. He
    then stepped down from Monsanto and took an appointment as
    FDA deputy commissioner for policy. He then opened his own
    letter and helped draft the FDA’s 1992 policy on genetically
    engineered food and rBGH. The law that followed, in true
    violation of First Amendment rights, states that it’s illegal
    to say rBGH is in milk and it’s illegal to state that it’s not
    in milk. The lawyer returned to corporate life and became
    Monsanto’s vice president for public policy.

    Incidentally, rBGH is banned in Canada, Europe, Australia,
    and New Zealand–all major dairy producers. It is also banned
    in other countries. I quote Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president
    of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, from a
    magazine entitled Safe Food News (to get this magazine and to
    sign the national Genetically Engineered Food Alert petition,
    call 1-800-REAL-FOOD).

    “Monsanto’s rBGH increases milk production. It also increases
    udder infections (mastitis) and reproductive problems in cows
    and shortens their life span. To treat the mastitis, farmers
    have to give their cows antibiotics. Studies have shown that
    milk from rBGH cows often contains residues from those antibiotics.
    And because rBGH-induced mastitis leads to increased amounts of
    white blood cells–or pus–this is also secreted into rBGH milk.
    But the risks of rBGH go far beyond even this. More troublesome
    is the fact that rBGH has been linked to increased risk of
    breast, prostate and colon cancers.”

    >From pizza to chips, soda to infant formula, ice cream to
    cookies, vitamins to candies, genetically engineered organisms
    are in the foods we feed our kids every day. Virtually every
    food you can think of is in the genetically engineered pipeline.
    And coming soon . . . rat genes in your lettuce, cows that make
    human milk, and bananas with vaccines.

    “Who gave the biotech companies the right to threaten our
    food and environment? The Clinton-Gore administration and our
    ‘Republicrat’ Congress, awash in biotech money. We need mandatory
    labeling and safety testing of genetically engineered foods,
    plus a moratorium on the release of these experimental lifeforms
    into the environment until proven safe.”

  538. In the case of genetic engineering, even greater caution is
    called for: a nuclear disaster only lasts 10,000 years, whereas
    gene pollution is forever–self-perpetuating and irreversible.

  539. Thalidomide is making quite a comeback.

    Shit happens HAHAHAHA. Your problem is that you have yet to define your shit, and yet to demonstrate that your particular shit is actually happening.

  540. Get yourself a heaping dose of Cry9c, snort it or whatever you do, and get back to nature. I am doing what you do, questioning everything and believing nothing. And shit hits the fan.

  541. God Help Us.

    Please Google GM food dangers. It will scare the crap out of anyone.

  542. “Forty years ago, most scientists thought DDT a safe and
    promising addition to agriculture. ”

    DDT has yet to be shown to be harmful to humans. It was quite effective in reducing malaria in developing nations. It’s also “organic”, which I think was quite a positive point.

    It causes cancer. So does every other pesticide applied in the world around you. If you overexpose yourself to pesticides, you’ll get sick. It’s a poison (except, apparently, to treat barbituate problems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Impact_on_human_health).

    It also has residual effects on the environment, namely, weakening the shells of eggs, like of the bald eagle, contributing to its endangered status.

    DDT is safe and promising to agriculture. It’s just bad for eggshells.

  543. “Google GM foods. It will scare the crap out of anyone.”

    Google verifies that I can order a bonzai kitten, I can make $75 an hour doing online surveys, if I forward this email to twelve people a gift certificate to Applebee’s will pop up on my screen, and that a distant relative in Bosnia will make me a millionaire as soon as I email him my bank account information.

    It reminds me of a quote I like from a band I don’t like, Five Iron Frenzy: “It’s on the internet, so, then, it must be true!”

  544. HAHAHAHA. Okay.

    You…have a member of your family with “this crap”.

    *Tell us what “this crap” is, please?

    You…would not wish it on anyone.

    *Well, thanks, I’m sure that we all appreciate that, a whole lot.

    She is not delusional, and definitely not stupid. Nuff said there.

    *Okay, fine. You’d established, that when you came to this blog (if you’ll recall, all pissed off, attacking us, TC, in particular), that we had made fun of your mother. Can you slow down, stop, and think for just a minute? How in the world had you arrived at the conclusions that we had made fun of your mother, when you will not even discuss her situation, told us not to even ask anything about her, and you refuse to describe anything about what in the world is going on in your life, and why you’re……

    Heck, I don’t even know, anything other than:

    1. You have an extreme paranoia over GM foods, and hate Monsanto?
    2. It apparently stems from your mom’s allergy to corn?
    3. You could transport 4-5 morgie people to TC, for him to take care of?
    3. Randy Wymore must have told you to solicit money for OSU and he’d cure your mom?

    Can ya help us out? You’re not even trying to communicate, HAHAHAHA.

  545. Ok your reasoning is kittens are the same as the folks w/ severe alergic reactions. Get your kittens make $75 bucks and whistle dixie.

  546. I do not try to reason with unreasonable people.

  547. Please try to understand the anger the folks w/ morgellons are experiencing. What do you think is causing it? (Dumbass remarks are sure to follow)

  548. Don’t you think it would be a good idea to go to a doctor, with your mother, HAHAHAHA, and tell the doctor what has caused her severe allergic reactions, and that you need something to take to help you deal with it?

  549. Okay, note, please, that we posted at the same time. Now, you’re getting somewhere. Your mom is angry?

  550. Im out

  551. Well, it must be very stressful putting up with her anger, and that is absolutely not fair to you. She ought to realize what she is doing.

  552. HAHAHAHA,

    Are you angry because your mother doesn’t believe your theory, and won’t stop eating corn?

    Could it be that she has an allergy and that you are turning it into what is called Morgellons against her will?

    You seem to have the Morgellons mental issues by proxy.

    Tall Cotton

  553. HAHAHAHA – I have nothing against Texas folk, I really loved visiting Texas and the people. Austin TX actually reminded me a lot of Melbourne in some ways. As I said the attack was against Bush himself and was meant as a joke.

    I am not delusional or studip either. I have fibers coming out of my body at an alarming rate, BUT I don’t call it Morgellons Disease, because at this stage Morgellons has not been announced as a real disease by the CDC.

    I have made many attempts to contact Dr Wymore. I have emailed him also with personal information. I have not spoken to him personally so I can not pass judgement of him too much, apart from the fact that his behaviour to date with the MRF carry on, doesn’t look really good for a man in his position. I also registered with OSU not that long ago, just thought it was the right thing to do.

    If people want to donate money to OSU that is their choice. I am not in a financial position to do that. I would have thought that offerring myself and my relevant medical history to the MRF and some to Dr Wymore was enough for me to contribute to the “cause” for myself and others.

    Back in June 2006 I had phone conversation with Ken Cowles. I was allowed to phone him to discuss possible media in Australia. He did say that the OSU and Wymore would very much like to be connected with a University in Melbourne to carry out research also.
    At the time I thought it was a great idea. I wrote Wymore and my shrink and introduced them to each other via email addresses and links. The shrink I was seeing is affiliated with a uni so I thought this was a good place to start, and since he is well aware of the MRF and my health.

    An aussie radio station made email contact with me after I had forwarded them a copy of my resignation letter to MRF. This person said they would phone me that day, but I am still waiting. I forwarded this email to Dr Wymore, who did reply and asked if I would like him to liaise with Aussie media on my behalf. I wrote Wymore and said good idea, given my health etc. I did write that radio station again, but was told to be patient as they were busy. I do appreciate that. I do hope when the time is right they will contact me. I told this radio station that I would like to give my story of Morgellons, because I feared that so many young people like myself could go down the same path of destruction.

    I was also told in that conversation with Ken to send specimens to Wymore, and that they (Ken,Mary,Wymore) would phone me in 2 days for a conference call, did not happen. I have not sent specimens to anyone, and will not be doing that either. I was acting in the capacity of the MRF representative in Australia, but I was never involved in any conference calls. I have read recently that Cindy Casey has had conference calls with MRF in the past.

    Seems rather unfair to me looking back now. Yet another “control” contact on a very sick and vulnerable person. I am not stupid nor lacking intelligence. Chronic illness will cloud anyones judgement, so will medical treatment with medication.

    My family were really interested with all phone calls and contacts with MRF and many times got their hopes up with promises that were told to me. It is not fair to them either and they don’t even how to use the internet.

  554. After a recent radio interview with a USA based internet radio station – I was told that they had received hundreds of support emails. I was promised “on the air” that all of those well wishes and comments would be forwarded to my private email. Still waiting.

    This sort of ‘use’ and ‘abuse’ tactic is yet another example of the Morgellons circus.

  555. On the topic of MSBP – over lunch the other day my sis and I spoke about this. She could also see how this has impacted on her life in the past. Lucky for her she has been able to break that habit, her husband set down very strict ground rules which my ma can’t get past, plus she has her own kids and its great to see MSBP is not a problem for her. Years ago she woud always value my opinion on raising her chilren. Even though she is the eldest, I had had lots of counselling, well read etc.

    The piece of advice I always pressed upon with her and her kids was to be completely HONEST. I would say – white lies or avoiding to explain the truth, or admitting if mum and dad have been wrong about something – is not real healthy.

    Being an MSBP victim effects me every single day. Even a one hour telephone conversation last night was enough to send me crazy, ie. my low iron is apparently “my fault” because I have been guilty of not getting enough fruit & veg during this illness. I told her because I was too damn sick to prepare a meal. As she reminds me often on the phone – come and visit us please when you get the chance, you know where we are if you need us. It is great that she is loving and supportive, problem being it is only a 5 minute drive to visit her, but I have to do the visiting. No one visits me, NO ONE.

  556. In the year 2000 I set down my ground rules to my ma in writing, after not speaking to her for 3 months. A lady counsellor advised me on this. It was the best thing I did – but I feel its validaty has worn off.

    I am trying my heart out to break the cycle again, as well as regaining my quality of life, recovery, living with a chronic illness and god knows whatelse in there.

    I feel like I am in a no win situation – If I live my life, I will no doubt be blamed again for the worsening of my dads health (cancer), and if I keep things as they currently are my physical and mental heatlh will continue to be a struggle forever.

    I have folked out the time and money for years of counselling which has been very empowering, but I am still pushed into a corner when trying all techniques I have been taught.

  557. Sarach-

    Thanks for you heart-felt comments. I really appreciate that. Now we are on the same page.

  558. The only thing that makes sense about all of this is a reaction to the food supply in one form or another. Think about it, air, water, earth, food. Food is the only thing that make sense. Hang in there.

  559. I am hanging in there HAHAHAHA.

    “Think about it, air,water,earth,food. Food is the only thing that makes sense.”

    Not really HAHAHAHA food and everything involved makes better sense to me, as well as MCS and allergies.

    Try getting your allergies looked into, alternative medicine has helped me greatly.

    Hence to say, there still is no such thing as Morgellons Disease.

  560. Michael – Do you know if there are such things as an MSBP support group, forum etc internet or other?

  561. “Not really HAHAHAHA food and everything involved makes better sense to me, as well as MCS and allergies”

    please explain what MCS is.

  562. Trying to prove a disease exisits called “morgellons” is not my objective.

  563. MCS – this is Mutiple chemical sensitivity.

    What is your objective then if you are not talking about Morgellons or canned food?

    I am very well aware as many others that “the fibers” in and on our bodies is the major player here. I haven’t really found a medical document that describes my fiber symptoms.

  564. I am trying to find a lab that will test DNA for the Cry.xxx proteins.

  565. My objective is to find the cause of your symptoms.

  566. A lab that will test for DNA for the Cry.xxx – well couldn’t you ask Dr Wymore since he is interested in this, is he not??

    Someone in the USA asked me to send some specimens to this person, they do all that stuff. I have not done this, can’t afford it, and anyway I have a treatment regime currently which I am sticking to. Hope this helps.

    Dr. Burch Stewart
    Applied Consumer Services, Inc.
    11840 N.W. 87th Court Unit # 8
    Hiahleah Gardens, FL 33018
    Phone: 305-821-1677
    Fax: 305-821-0155

  567. Thanks. I will follow throught w/ that contact.

  568. And yes I asked OSU, but i will dual track this idea.

  569. Alternative cellular energy pigments mistaken for
    parasitic skin infestations
    W. John Martin
    Center for Complex Infectious Diseases, 3328 Stevens Avenue, Rosemead, CA 91770 USA
    Received 5 January 2005
    Abstract
    Dermatologists and psychiatrists occasionally encounter patients who believe they are infested with skin parasites. They may report seeing
    threads, fibers and more solid appearing particles attached to their skin and hair, or appearing on clean bed sheets after sleeping. Some of the
    particles move spontaneously suggesting a life form. Similar structures develop in long-term cultures of stealth-adapted viruses. They are
    termed alternative cellular energy pigments (ACE pigments) since they appear to provide a non-mitochondria source of cellular energy that
    can assist in cellular repair from the virus cytopathic effect (CPE). Particles obtained from the skin of stealth virus culture-positive patients
    can also display auto-fluorescence and electrostatic properties. Some of the particles are magnetic and can generate gas in an aqueous
    solution. They also lead to the production of lipid-like crystals similar to those produced in long-term cultures of stealth-adapted viruses. It is
    proposed that skin-derived particles that form in some of the patients assumed to be experiencing a delusional parasitosis are, in reality, a
    reflection of the body’s production of ACE pigments.
    D 2005 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
    Keywords: Alternative cellular energy pigments; ACE-pigments; Delusional parasitosis; Stealth-adapted viruses
    Introduction
    Over the last several years, I have encountered several
    patients who have described unusual solid and thread-like
    particles arising from their skin and which occasionally
    appeared to move spontaneously, as if alive. The patients
    were concerned that they may be infected with some form of
    skin parasite. Other patients have noted unusual particles in
    their bed sheets, and in bath water that has been undisturbed
    for several hours following bathing. One patient who slept on
    a magnetic mattress noted that some of the particles were
    attaching to the mattress as if they were magnetic. Several of
    these patients were also being seen by psychiatrists and were
    given a clinical diagnosis of delusional parasitosis (Bhatia et
    al. 2000; Goddard, 1995; Zomer et al., 1998).
    The particles collected by these patients were morpho-logically
    similar to structures that form in long-term
    cultures of a grouping of viruses that cause persistent
    infections in humans and animals (Martin, 2003a). These
    viruses have been termed stealth-adapted because they lack
    the relatively few virus components that are normally
    targeted by an anti-virus cellular immune response (Martin,
    1994, 1999; Martin et al., 1994). The viruses do not
    propagate well in tissue cultures because of a cellular repair
    process that coincides with the formation of pigmented
    materials that can take various forms including solid
    conglomerates of minute particles, long threads and shorter
    ribbon-like structures. Most of the solid structures are black,
    whereas the ribbons and threads can show a wide diversity
    of colors including blue, yellow, green, brown, red or are
    translucent. While their compositions are still unknown,
    they do contain various types of minerals that vary
    considerably between different particles even when col-lected
    from a single culture (Martin, 2003a). Individual
    threads and ribbons can occasionally be seen forming
    instantaneously as if by a very rapid self-assembly process.
    Fibrous threads have also been observed emerging from
    Experimental and Molecular Pathology
    more solid particles present in long-term virus cultures
    (Martin, 2003a).
    The particles are typically auto-fluorescent with both red
    and green emissions evoked by ultraviolet light. Isolated
    particles can exhibit electrostatic attractions and repulsions
    and can also occasionally display ferromagnetism. They can
    vibrate in response to certain sound frequencies and can also
    donate electrons to tetrazolium salts. The replacement of
    virus culture supernatants containing these structures with
    fresh medium leads to a rapid reactivation of the virus CPE,
    whereas inclusion of particles in the fresh re-feeding virus
    culture medium suppresses the reactivation (Martin, 2003a).
    Cultures of cells infected with stealth-adapted viruses
    commonly contain numerous needle-shaped crystals of
    apparent lipid composition (Martin, 2003a). Needle pro-duction
    continues even in the absence of viable cells and is
    attributed to a synthetic process presumably related to the
    presence of ACE pigments. It appears that ACE-pigments
    may be providing an energy source for simple hydrocarbon
    synthesis that is somewhat comparable to the role of
    chlorophyll in carbohydrate synthesis.
    Complex intracellular structures have also been observed
    within cells seen on brain biopsies of stealth-adapted virus
    infected individuals (Martin, 2003b). Many of the cells
    show very extensive disruption of their mitochondria, the
    major normal source of cellular energy. This observation
    provides further support for the role of these structures as an
    alternative (non-mitochondria) source of cellular energy.
    Results
    A series of studies have been performed on pigmented
    materials collected from both dried perspiration and skin
    lesions of patients shown by cultures to be infected with
    stealth-adapted viruses. These studies have confirmed the
    overall similarities of these particles with those obtained
    from long-term cultures of stealth-adapted viruses. Specif-ically,
    the patient-derived particles are auto-fluorescent,
    electrostatic, occasionally magnetic, and have electron
    donating and electron accepting capacities. Readily visible
    particles are conglomerates of microscopic elements,
    yielding a very fine speckled pattern on fluorescent
    microscopy. The ferromagnetism of some of the particles
    can be easily demonstrated by their rotation in a liquid
    medium using a hand-held magnet (Fig. 1). Gas bubble
    formation has also been observed even in distilled water
    with patient’s skin-derived particles (Fig. 2). Even more
    striking has been the formation of needle shaped structures
    similar to those seen in long-term cultures of stealth-adapted
    viruses (Fig. 3). Colorful auto-fluorescent fibers
    and thread-like structures can commonly be seen emerging
    from the more solid particles. Fibers and threads embedded
    in skin flakes from several patients can be viewed on
    internet at http://www.morgellons.org and related patients’
    directed sites.
    Discussion
    Several patients have felt a sense of itchiness in their skin
    that they have attributed to these particles. Some have been
    told they have delusional parasitosis (Bhatia et al. 2000;
    Goddard, 1995; Zomer et al., 1998). Other patients have
    been told they have head lice because of particles attached
    to their scalp hair. They can be readily observed on patients
    using an ultraviolet light and their fluorescence visualization
    can be further enhanced using dyes such as neutral red
    (Martin and Stoneburner, 2005). Several conscientious
    patients have photographed and even video recorded some
    of the skin-derived structures. Video recordings can reveal
    both rapid jerky displacements of the particles as well as
    slow coiling and uncoiling of colored fibers. Fibers and
    threads have also been observed emerging from the more
    solid particles and intertwining into arrays suggestive of
    functional electronic devices. As shown in this paper, some
    particles can induce gas formation from water and can also
    lead to the synthesis of fine needle-shaped crystals. These
    observations are consistent with the suggestion that ACE
    pigments reflect a pre-chlorophyll form of physical to
    chemical energy transduction. They may help explain the
    paradox that if chlorophyll were to be the only mechanism
    of converting physical to biological energy, then where did
    Nature get the energy to produce chlorophyll?
    The forces acting on ACE pigments may well extend
    beyond conventional static electricity and electromagnetism.
    Mineral analyses of particles attached to a single hair shaft
    have shown distinctly different compositions, possibly
    implying that some type of mineral specific affinity force
    is operative in the self-assembly process. The particles may
    also emit novel forms of chemical and cellular energies for
    which detection methods have yet to be developed. ACE
    pigment particles should be of interest to those engaged in
    the emerging science of nanotechnology.
    Ultraviolet light exposure of patients’ hair and skin can
    provide a useful screening test for the presence of ACE
    pigments. Such demonstrations can also help reassure the
    patient that he or she is not delusional, but rather has
    uncovered a process that may have originally reflected the
    body’s attempt to acquire an additional source of cellular
    energy.
    References
    Bhatia, M.S., Jagawat, T., Choudhary, S., 2000. Delusional parasitosis: a
    clinical profile. Int. J. Psychiatry Med., 30, 83–91.
    Goddard, J., 1995. Analysis of 11 cases of delusions of parasitosis reported
    to the Mississippi Department of Health. South Med. J., 88, 837–839.
    Martin, W.J., 1994. Stealth viruses as neuropathogens. CAP Today, 8,
    67– 70.
    Martin, W.J., 1999. Stealth adaptation of an African green monkey simian
    cytomegalovirus. Exp. Mol. Pathol., 66, 3– 7.
    Martin, W.J., 2003. Stealth virus culture pigments: a potential source of
    cellular energy. Exp. Mol. Pathol., 74, 210–223.
    Martin, W.J., 2003. Complex intracellular inclusions in the brain of a child
    with a stealth virus encephalopathy. Exp. Mol. Pathol., 74, 179–209.
    Martin, W.J., Stoneburner, J., 2005. Symptomatic relief of herpetic skin
    lesions utilizing an energy based approach to healing. Exp. Mol.
    Pathol., 78, 131– 134.
    Martin, W.J., Zeng, L.C., Ahmed, K., Roy, M., 1994. Cytomegalovirus-related
    sequence in an atypical cytopathic virus repeatedly isolated
    from a patient with chronic fatigue syndrome. Am. J. Pathol., 145,
    440– 451.
    Zomer, S.F., De Wit, R.F., Van Bronswijk, J.E., Nabarro, G., Van Vloten,
    W.A., 1998. Delusions of parasitosis. A psychiatric disorder to be
    treated by dermatologists? an analysis of 33 patients. Br. J. Dermatol.,
    138, 1030– 1032.

  570. *wonders how cold it\’s going to get today*

  571. Dr. Martin, again? How many times do we have to go through the “argument from authority” logical fallacy?

  572. When people can’t think for themselves to start with, and what they’re wanting answers to is so far-fetched, they’ll believe almost anyone they consider as being in an authoritative position. They can’t know that they’re being played, and preyed upon. The real authorities were the many doctors who diagnosed them. So, rather than treating what has their perceptions so out of kilter, their quest into the realm of the unknown is guaranteed, for a large percent of them, I think, to go on until time is no more. Outside-of-the-box, the place where no solutions exist, is such a magnificent force to them. As long as they’re there, everything is all right, somehow, even though it isn’t, and they all know it isn’t.

  573. Hi there!

    Guys i’m presenting the russian-speaking community of “mystery illness”!

    Detail info You could find here(in russian):

    “Букет непонятных проявлений…”

    Part(1): http://forum.nedug.ru/showthread.php?t=341905

    Part(2): http://forum.nedug.ru/showthread.php?t=441208

    Part(3): http://forum.nedug.ru/showthread.php?t=447136

    Part(4-ACTIVE!): http://forum.nedug.ru/showthread.php?t=448884&page=1

    If someone want to contact us – you simply need to leave the message with your contacts(for ex. e-mail) at forum here:

    http://forum.nedug.ru/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=5340991
    and you will be contacted. ;)

    P.S. By the way after 2 years of research i have found the same truth as pappasmurf

  574. Dant, in the fourth link you gave the symptoms are listed as (with Google translation):

    1. Температура около 37, или колебания от 36 до 38
    The temperature of about 37, or variations of 36 to 38
    2. Наличие экзантемы (сыпь мелкоточечная и др.)
    The exanthema (melkotochechnaya rashes, etc.)
    3. Слабость по всему телу (все время хочется прилечь, трудно подниматься по лестнице и др.)
    The weakness all over the body (like prilech time, it is difficult to climb the ladder, etc.)
    4. Постоянная сонливость
    Standing sleepiness
    5. Периодические поносы (могут быть редкие).
    Recurring diarrhea (may be rare).
    6. Боли в области ЖКТ
    Pain in the stomach
    7. Зуд и/или жжение кожи
    Itching of the skin and / or skin burns
    8. Краснота слизистой горла (тонзиллит и/или фарингит)
    Redness mucous throat (tonsillitis and / or pharyngitis)
    9. Боли и/или хруст в суставах.
    Pain and / or dude in the joints.
    10. Может быть кашель.
    Maybe cough.
    11. Ночная потливость.
    Nightlife sweating.
    12. По ночам чувство онемение конечностей.
    At night feeling numbness of limbs.
    13. Иногда ладошки рук становятся красными с белыми крупными “зернышками”.
    Sometimes Elladent hands are red with a large white “pips.”
    14. Высыпания в виде отдельных прыщей на различных участках тела(ноги, руки, пальцы, ребра)
    Filling in the form of aging in various parts of the body (legs, arms, fingers, ribs)
    15. Чувство давления на сердце снизу.
    Feeling pressure to reduce heart.
    16. Увеличение размеров и болезненность лимфоузлов лимфоглоточного кольца (шея и подчелюстные) и/или паховых
    Increased size and painful lymph limfoglotochnogo ring (neck and podchelyustnye) and / or groin

    I don’t see anything about fibers in the skin. I would be very interested if you could give a little history of your Russian disease, and how you feel it is connected to Morgellons.

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