Aug 31 2006
Factitious Disorders
Psychological Implications in Morgellons Disease, Part II: Factitious Disorders
Sarah Bione-Dunn
In Sickened, a memoir of Münchhausen syndrome by proxy by Julie Gregory, Dr. Marc Feldman writes: “Münchhausen by proxy may be the single most complex– and lethal– form of maltreatment known today. It is formally defined as the falsification or induction of physical and/or emotional illness by a caretaker of a dependent person. In most cases, the perpetrator is a mother and the victim is her own child.”
Factitious disorders such as Münchhausen syndrome (MS) and Münchhausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP) may be factors for some cases of Morgellons disease. Symptoms of factitious disorders include intentional production or feigning of physical signs or symptoms, and physical symptoms motivated by a desire to assume the sick role (DSM-IV-TR). Depression, need for a sense of community, and unsupportive parental relationships are suggested causes of MS/MSBP, though the precise cause of factitious disorders are not understood (Ozden & Canat, 1999).
Many Morgellons sufferers and MS/MSBP sufferers have behaviors in common. MS/MSBP sufferers research their supposed ailments and are knowledgeable about medicine (Miner & Feldman, 1998). People with MS/MSBP eagerly undergo or offer to partake in painful testing or treatment (Stern & Cremens, 1998), as do Morgellons sufferers. Both conditions continually reject known explanations for their health; Morgellons sufferers notably reject diagnoses such as eczema, environmental factors, poor nutrition, side effects from medication, side effects from illegal substances, etc. as the agents of their illness. The two conditions also share negative attitudes toward the medical community, strong aversion to mental health, and doctor-shopping behaviors for someone to find something– anything– wrong with them.
Communication on an internet message board is indirect and impersonal. Lymebuster’s policy of banning anyone who questions another’s health, symptoms, or motivations, makes it a dangerous breeding ground for the few who suffer from MS/MSBP. Having MS/MSBP may not have been why they began to seek Morgellons as a new disease to fabricate, but because of the isolated, “no one allowed who doesn’t agree” attitude, it is a safe haven for people to continue in their deviance. MS/MSBP sufferers and perpetrators can then join the media pressure and participate in a “mysterious, emerging disease” to satisfy their psychological issues, as they already feel on the fringe from their continual rejection by physicians.
References:
- Gregory, J. 2003. Sickened: A memoir of a Munchausen by proxy childhood. Bantam.
- Miner, I., & Feldman, M. 1998. Factitious deafblindness: An imperceptible variant of factitious disorder. Gen. Hosp. Psychiat. 20(1) 48-51.
- Ozden, A., & Canat, S. 1999. Factitious hemoptysis. J. Amer. Child Adol. Psychiat. 38(4), 356-357.
- Stern, T., & Cremens, M.C. 1998. Factitious Pheochromocytoma, Psychosomatics, 39(3):283-287.
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Wow look ma -
Mrs. Texas Rose, DOP, DSM-IV-TR, MS, MSBP
I got a degree from the University of Morgellons Watch!!
WOOHOO WILL BE ROLLING IN THE MONEY NOW - NOT
sarahbionedunn,
Excellent post. I read the excert from the book entitled, “Sickened”, buy Julie Gregory. Excellent reading! I also checked out some of the links concerning MS and MSBP. Thank you for the this post, and your prior, Part 1 post.
Tall Cotton
Although some mental disorders are glaringly obvious, and can be accurately diagnosed solely by reading what an individual writes, it’s harder with Factitious Disorders. Who is really sick? Who just thinks they are sick? And who is deliberately faking it? Hard to tell. I imagine there are some in each catagory.
Tall Cotton
Sarah,
I’m sorry, although I just love TC and admire his sagacious mental acumen, he seems to either be a lil dense today or perhaps experiencing on OCD titled Obsessive Inclination to Ban the word “Morgellons.” (kidding w/ ya TC)
But your article really makes me sick. I have to get off the computer (sharing it) but I will nevertheless come back on later this evening to prove you wrong.
Who paid you to write that, The USDA or Lucent Technologies?
London
I’m so glad you’re here, and part of the team, Sarah. I’m going to anger people, but I feel compelled to pose something for morgie people (and for people in their lives), to consider, but only if anyone is able to. If you haven’t already, think back to before being stricken, with whatever caused you to think that what you have is some devastatingly mysterious new disease. Think back to whether you knew yourselves, fully, before that time, or whether you were someone who never had the chance to, always doing what you thought was right, for others, rather than yourselves.
Were you a free-thinking person, making your own decisions, come what may, or did you have to put things on a shelf, and try to go with the flow, careful not to make waves? Were you your own best friend, or did you feel you had to deny yourself, just to try fitting in where you really didn’t even want to be, most of the time, in the first place? Maybe you have always been dependent on somebody else. That seems to be an excellent way of not knowing who you are, also.
It seems as though maybe too many people haven’t known themselves, but, it may only come across that way to me, and just really be something that’s only come about for people “since” becoming ill. I don’t know. Like I said, this is only something for self-reflection. I don’t know anybody, and I haven’t a clue what everybody’s symptoms look like, or how much, or how little, they limit them. All that I know about anyone claiming to have this, is based solely from on line communication. Some emails, that I used to be surprised to get, were about other things besides “morgellons disease”, and they were all so much alike, it was uncanny. Latching onto this “morgellons” thing, so readily, and so easily, without question, makes me wonder how it came about for everyone.
I know that feeling, firsthand, of seeing, and experiencing, rare things, and I know that it throws a lot of people into a state of alarm. Bonding with other people in the same state, just defies all matter of reason, to me. Anyone that’s begging and pleading for help shouldm’t surround themselves with the same type. When you want help, you get it, and you don’t defend the cause of your sufferings and want to stay there. I know a common thing I’ve seen is, “I want my life back”. I’m sorry, but anybody that’s crying that out to the world needs counselling.
Let’s not let anyone know how much we are being paid by Lucent and Monsanto. We have to “debunk” this story.
You see, the fibres are evidence of an agent, an organism which was the original inhabitant of this planet. It is a worm, very advanced and heavily engineered. At one time, it only lived in necrotic (dead) tissue, but now infects the living.
It was never supposed to be released. You see, the organism is hideous and almost impossible to iradicate, but it isn’t finished yet. The perfected specimen is a much more aggressive and faster replicating organism. When perfected, it’s military application was to be “dust and clear”. Urban, rural or any terrain can be sprayed with this specimen. The resultant plague evidences populations of raving, worm infested and violent persons. This is Dawn of the Dead stuff, people.
CDC is calling the outbreaks from the lesser variants DOP because of DOD and NSA pressure.
The codename of the true Morgellons to come: Wormwood…the scourge before the Apocalypse.
Thank you, Smokingman. So that’s what the whole is, then, and it didn’t all start with Mary Leitao and her son, Drew? What else have the voices told you, that we all need to know?
Ya got me so shook up, Smokingman, that I left out the word, “thing”. That’s what the whole thing is?
Dr. Morgellonstein, you jest, yet sadly you might be believed by people who have difficultly understanding exactly what you are saying.
Even sadder, people who DO understand it, also might believe.
I believe sumfin, for shore.
WHO PAID YOU TO WRITE THAT, THE USDA OR LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES?
LONDON asked.
how about the american pesticide applicators’ association?
meet sarah bione the expert authority
http://www.psichi.org/pubs/articles/article_539.asp
[Edited by Michael: replaced copy of article with link to original]
London,
I wouldn’t dare attempt to ban the word, Morgellons. That word is going down in history, just not the way that Morgies think it will. The word, Morgellons, is already strongly associated with mental disorders, and by them it will always be known.
Tall Cotton
Will I not get paid anymore, if I stop saying what I believe on this forum?
I think morgie people need to come over to this side, and join up, if they’re not being paid to believe in “morgellons disease”.
Here’s quite long account of MBP by the author of sickened
http://www.mbpeducate.com/mystory/index.html
Morgellons is a crime. But the crime is not the loosing of a pathogen from a bio-containment meltdown. Nor is it the deliberate release of a transgenetic organism from the basement laboratory of some mad scientist. It’s not a crime perpretrated by the USDA or one of the many pharmacheutical companies. The crime is a mother’s delusions, now shared by many others. They’ve all been told, and shown with great patience, that Morgellons, the disease, does not exist, and has never existed. Yet they continue to spread hysteria among vulnerable people. It could have begun as a mistake, but it has been carried beyond all reason, and its inventor can surely see her error. Her pride, and her madness, has kept the lie alive, until it has developed a life of it own. Morgellons is a lie, and a crime against us all.
Here is the thing that gets me, more than anything, and just irks me to no end!!! So many people fell into this “myth of morgellons disease”, not looking into the woman behind the lie, whatsoever. It was completely immaterial to them, and not only the LAST thing on their minds, but they STILL don’t see it, or even CARE. As consumed as the people who think they have “morgellons disease” are, and were, just to have someone say that they believed them, was, and is, all that matters. They’re upholding a SICKO, too sick themselves, to know any better, and many of the mothers on LB message board are doing the same to their precious children!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BamzgMCrMaU&mode=related&search=
looks like motion from the air…
if this is “proof” I’ll just keep believing this is just crap
Gee, thanks. I went to that link and I couldn’t stomach viewing that self-inflicted arm & hand damage through the entirety of that particular video. Damn. The pictures I have seen of some morgie people’s skin (and I have a very strong stomach, too), it is no wonder mostly all we see are their “specimens”. That’s a cutter, apparently, as well as a caustic fluid user, and an excoriator. Dear Lord.
The song, “I Did A Bad, Bad, Thing” is playing in the background on that video!!! That person is in such serious need of such really serious help.
Smokingman,
You know what? I do indeed believe 1/2 of what you said! But a lot of these worms are from photonic fussion!
Damn, the Gov’t has already given me and everyone else who has ever used a cell phone, second-hand microwave radiation burns.
But your part saying you are here to debunk Morgellons- hell, I don’t care. I don’t care what the hell they call it. But I do know that we have something in us that is not natural.
Could you please, please, please put more acid in this second batch? If not the real stuff, go heavy handed in pouring the Jasmonic acid, okay?
You’re the man that wrote on biology-online one time not too long ago, are you not? Talking about Jet Fuel mixtures. Well, I know you were not lying b/c I found the article for it. Yep, I did.
Man, from the traffic signal lighting to sonar to Nasa…Oh, yes, you indeed are right about that. Hey, just remember the ACID! ( I will take some now if you have any to spare..)
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Texas Star,
You are right! But there is a helluva lot more to it than that….but instead of us saying it all started out w/ a boy name Drew, you and I could say “It all started out w/ a GM plant with Bt…..
Then, of course that led to other things, the worst being the synthetic insects they have made and released that they say was done to wipe out the big ones- i,e., Malaria, Dengue, West Nile, etc., While that may true,
Duh…would’nt you know that the A-holes first have to
put the disease back out there.
Have people not noticed the rise in west nile, Dengue, etc.,? Now I wonder why? HUH????
Now how are the biotech A-hole getting away with this? Simple, the language and it’s loopholes. Vernacular Rapist…I hate you biotech idiots. You have screwed up the friggin world. Now, I would love to know why you have released the transgenic insects that are insectiside resistant?
Yeah, You stupid USDA, I have chemical poisioning because of the shit in your stupid gm plants. Your brocoli has more chemicals than 5 gallons of paint!
Whats Bush gonna do when Janna gets this?
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Morgellons,
Yesterday you told me to read twice and post once., and I do read quite a bit, in fact, I re-read that article I posted the hyperlink to yesterday and am even more convinced since subsquently reading a few others as well.
Now, this was from that hyperlink that you posted above:
Today she waits in a cardiologist’s office for someone to unpeel the electrical contraption she’s worn stuck to her chest for the last 24 hours.
********************Let me be frank here, I will quote Neil Young, “It’s A Free World” and if our disease has a god-damn thing to do with barcodes being placed in us, then this is a F-up world. Hell, Id rather have Leishmaniasis. I KNOW ALL ABOUT YOUR LIL CRAPPY-ARSE WAFER…YOU ARE NOT GETTING A BAR CODE IN ME, GOT IT?
And hell no I don’t think Mary and her foundation did what all the (few) internet stories said she did. Now this I dunno, but just putting the word out there. I will find out though, just like I found out the vector in our disease (the physical part of it)
And Texas Star, Sean, MAFer, the reason they say were delusional is because if we do not kick this, it will turn into dementia…..
(take note Sara “Bio-sphere” Dunn)aLL THESE INSECTS AND THEIR DISEASES IS CALLED: POLYDNA VIRUS it’s called multifocal Leukencephalopathy! It’s like a mad-cow disease….and some of us will get Borna Disease Virus or
(BVD).
Now, we can’t really blame it on people who make fun of our Bell Lab Made Plague, but we sure the hell can file some Law-Suits!
For the hundreth time, look at the American Gov’ts Science organization, titled the National Science Foundations website….there you will find it…Dammit
THEY CALL IT THE FIBR PROJECTS (NOTICE THE SPELLING?)
GO AND CHECK IT OUT, PLEASE….
So let’s see…..that’s Bell Labs, the USDA. the DOE and
the NSF. whew, some big-boys huh? Well you suck rocks and can kiss my arse!
You think this is a bad post? Haha, this is the tip of an iceburg that eventually will melt in Stillwater Oklahoma. Now, I’m gonna shut- up but I am in need of some type of Panacea…and well, you know my web-address and hell, prpbably everything else about me since you put those friggin fibers in me.
Hey, ya’ll usually measure the chemical contents of food with that, right?
Listen, I said I can shut up but you all have to meet me 1/2 way. do something on the dark side and well, it will stay dark.
Remember Neil….It’s a Free World……and hey, when is the new spanish bird flue gonna hit the streets? HUH?
Sincerely,
Your lil cinnamin girl…..
oh, meant to tell you up there, that I was not being “Facetious”!
Now look here…..and PS: And Sorry KC, I am but i HAVE LOST FAITH IN HIM AND REALLY THINK HE IS A CRIMINAL!
LOOK WHAT’S GOING ON IN OKLAHOMA…..
More OSU students being vaccinated for meningitis
http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=5343258
[Edited by Michael: Replaced copied text with link to original]
Michael,
Sorry about the ads in the above Oklahoma post.
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Dear Mystery Man that’s working on getting me some hallucinagens,
I know about the fuel you spoke of and the pentane extraction of diesel oil…..and the chlamydias too.
Do you want me to tell everyone about the ibuprofran from the wastewater or shall I.??? Please reply if you’re not in the lab w/Tam Tam or Cliff.
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Dear Texas Star, could you please write to skytroll or Michael and ask for my email? That would be great.
Dear Texas Rose,
A couple of weeks ago you posted a photo ( I think it was you) of a guy riding a carousel I believe? Can you explain? Was this the “Pete”? hahahahahaha don’t even think I don;t know dammit, don;t even. I just can’t figure out if you’re in it w/ them or they have the
wool pulled over your eyes. I’m not being pissy w/you either- I care.
To anyone else that wants to debunk me, I’d think twice before going there. I’m volatile! (sp?), very.
Cinnamin Girl….
PS: Where’s my buddy Hugh R. Delusional, Hugh are…?
Great, now this has turned into a government conspiracy. Let me guess, it is all Bush’s fault. Now I will drop some acid, smoke some dust, drink some absineth, and read again. I am looking at one hell of a good time. Thanks there Mr. Marlboro man.
It is not specifically a government operation. The worm itself is the first successful animal/plant hybrid. Long-term infestation turns the human subject into a walking compost heap. The fibers are an end product of sloughing, the black specks are waste matter from the adult stage of the worm. Transmission is through touch, or contact with infected surfaces.
It is not Nosema Locustae but produces similar structures. There is no cure. Infection with Lyme Disease produces an ideal environment for this organism to reproduce. Similar to retroviruses, it seems to be able to morph and/or hide itself while releasing protiens which confuse t-cells.
Keep searching for the origin of this bug. First hint: the “silent superbug site” is a distraction.
The truth is out there.
Hey London
No it wasn’t me about a guy riding a carousel, sorry. Just who am I suppose to be “in it w/them”? Sorry, you lost me here. But I will tell you that “morgellons” is real. Is it something new? who knows yet. Is it something that has mutated? who knows. But something is going on with these people and I am for people trying to come together and find a cure. But on the flip side - I am blasting the MRF and MaryL for the injustice of the donation funds to the MRF. So you can say I’m not with them
Am I with Michael - don’t think so because heck I don’t know if it’s a guy or gal? I need to at least know if I should say Mr. or Mrs. to show respect to my elders 
Now just to make a statement here - Texan’s can talk all we want about a “fellow” texan - it’s just a texas rule that we have OK. Mr. Bush is an idiot!!!! He was our governor before he was ya’ll president. So I wouldn’t put it past the jerk to know of what morgellons really is. End of statement
Now before I go - I hope EVERYBODY HAS A GREAT WEEK-END. Take some down TIME and I will see everybody Monday.
Dr. Michael can I add MBP to my degree or do I already have take those courses? LOLOLOL
Cheers Ya’ll
tallrotton,
basement labs? well i guess you would know about such.
loonydon:
The guy on the horse had on a tin foil hat. who is pete? i thought it was cliff. Yes, I know and know and know. But you can’t tell people everything. They have to find some of this out for themselves or they will not believe. it seems like mrs.rosie has her own personal agenda but the score is forty luv and she ain’t serving.
I don’t need your email address. i already got my own.
I find this statement quite amusing from the above referenced paper:
“A condition called Delusory Parasitosis (DP) is a false, unshakable belief that tiny organisms are living in or on the skin or inside the body (Hinkle, 2000)”
Guess what? There are tiny organisms living on AND in every person, animal and plant on this planet. So are you delusional because you believe they are NOT there? They’re all over everyone’s skin, GI tract, etc. As a person with biology classes, don’t you know that?
Oh and I was a member of psi chi also. University of Tulsa class of 1998.
TexasRose,
Michael is a Mr. 2nd, you have too much texaspete in your bloody mary this morning to say that morgellons is real. Symptoms of Morgellons are real, the disease itself is not. I am not saying you have DOP, I am saying you must look to other diagnosis. Everyone on this blog should come to the one conclusion, Mary L gave a name to number of circumstances, she did not discover a new disease. The sooner people come to this conclusion, the better. Morgies are going to keep being treated like crazy’s, if they keep telling doctors they have Morgellons. Please, let the doctors do the diagnosing. Listen to them for advice. There are some people on this blog that have taken that approach with success. For those of you that believe that some doctors have diagnosed people with morgellons, wake up. How can you be diagnosed with a disease that is not recgnized.
Hi Jace, I’m glad to see you are still around.
But there’s no need to be pedantic here. That kind of abuse of language contributes to the problem. It was not an academic paper, it was an entertaining and educational article about an interesting career choice. You know the meaning that was intended, so why twist it?
Suppose it said:
“A condition called Delusions of Persecution (DP) is a false, unshakable belief that people are following you and observing your movements”
Guess what? People are followed every day. On your way to work, the driver in the car behind you follows you, and observes your movements.
That’s literally true, but obviously not what was intended.
Normally I don’t reciprocate pedantry, but your argument is supplying ammunition for those who say that Delusional Parasitosis does not exist. I do not think that was your intent.
Actually I didn’t make that statement to be pedantic, and of course I didn’t mean to imply that delusional parasitosis does not exist. Actually my thinking is that there is a possibility that by making people (DOP, morgellons, or whatever) realize that there ARE germs in, on and around you every day no matter what you do to get rid of them, they might not get so worked up. There are many people who just don’t know the beneficial and even necessary processes that bacteria accomplish within our body (gut especially). I have a friend who can’t look at any SEM’s of dust mites, but they’re everywhere, and they’re harmless. I just thought that maybe if some of the people knew that it’s completely normal for things to be on you at all time, they might not be so panicked about the creepy crawly feelings. I realize it wasn’t written in the tone I meant for it to have, and I’m sorry about that. I just thought it was an educational opportunity that shouldn’t be passed up.
Ah, well in that case I retract my frowny tone.
Education about the skin’s fauna is probably a good thing, although some people might get a bit too much of it. Just looking at the following link makes me itch:
http://images.google.com/images?q=scabies+mite
Texas tar,
You’ve been guessing all along, and guessing wrong, I might add.
Jace,
Yes, that’s rather amusing, but I think you know that she wasn’t referring to our natural flora.
Texas Rose,
Yes, something is going on, but Morgellons is nothing new, and it’s not a disease.
Tall Cotton
Some Morgellons believers (including some posting above) seem to feel they are being persecuted in some way. It’s educational to get some perspective on the workings of this mindset. Here’s a look into the mind of someone who has taken this kind of belief one step beyond:
http://www.gangstalking.ca/
London,
If I was getting paid by someone, I reckon they’d at least give me health benefits, don’t you think? Or, I wouldn’t be living in a glorified closet with a bathroom here, at least.
SBD
Smoking man says:
“You see, the fibres are evidence of an agent, an organism which was the original inhabitant of this planet…..It was never supposed to be released.”
If it was the original inhabitant of our planet, how could it NOT be released? It was always here… did people run around and scoop every single one up into a test tube? That just doesn’t make sense.
” It is a worm, very advanced and heavily engineered. At one time, it only lived in necrotic (dead) tissue, but now infects the living.”
Then it should be easily found as a pathogen and identified as the causative agent, and “Morgellons” will be a case closed. To whom have you taken this worm?
“CDC is calling the outbreaks from the lesser variants DOP because of DOD and NSA pressure.”
That’s a heavy accusation. What evidence do you have of this?
Texas says:
“how about the american pesticide applicators’ association? ”
What is the website of the american pesticide applicator’s association?
” (take note Sara “Bio-sphere” Dunn)aLL THESE INSECTS AND THEIR DISEASES IS CALLED: POLYDNA VIRUS it’s called multifocal Leukencephalopathy! It’s like a mad-cow disease….and some of us will get Borna Disease Virus or
(BVD). Now, we can’t really blame it on people who make fun of our Bell Lab Made Plague, but we sure the hell can file some Law-Suits! ”
Most of the children I volunteer with call me Sarah “Baloney” (the correct pronunciation of my last name rhymes with Baloney,” Bee-YO-knee, get it?). You’re welcome to call me that too if you wish.
Since you have the causative agent, and the answer to what is plaguing you, I’m sure it will be no time at all for a doctor to see that too and to verify it, so you can begin a lawsuit.
Smokingman,
“It is not specifically a government operation. The worm itself is the first successful animal/plant hybrid.”
How is the first successful animal/plant hybrid the very first organism that lived on earth? Who made the hybrid before there were any humans?
Tall says: I read the excert from the book entitled, “Sickened”, buy Julie Gregory. Excellent reading! I also checked out some of the links concerning MS and MSBP. Thank you for the this post, and your prior, Part 1 post.
Actually, I didn’t really care for the book. I really wanted more details about her experiences. I wouldn’t recommend it, but as far as memoirs about mental health go, it was pretty good. I didn’t read more about it on that webpage Michael linked, so I’ll go do that now.
London says: “But your article really makes me sick. I have to get off the computer (sharing it) but I will nevertheless come back on later this evening to prove you wrong.”
I am always baffled by this. SOME people have MS/MSBP. Some don’t. If you’re not one of these people, this article has no application to you.
I think the inability to see the variegated nature of “this” is an ironically common characteristic of believers.
SeanOw2 stating the Michael is a Mr. Well that hear say - Michael need to post that “Me Mr.” sorry I don’t do hear say.
Also please read my post again - I didn’t say “disease” did I? Nope just Morgellons which is the symptoms I was talking about.
And to also set the Record straight - It would depend on who you ask if I have DOP. If you ask my dad - he would tell you “she wakes up to a new world everyday”. If you ask my friends, they would say “she is goofier than a road lizard”. If you ask my kids they would say “She’s a nut house”. If you ask my husband he would say “don’t even ask”. Sorry don’t have a doctor statement here because I don’t have morgellons a friend of mine does.
Tallcotton - I said Morgellons not disease.
TexasStar who is Mrs. Rosie? did I miss something here? But if you are talking about me - what’s my “own personal agenda” so I can be more up to speed on what I’m doing. Plus Yes I do love tennis - watching the US Open this week. Sorry, I can’t serve anymore do to a bad spine but hey got a son that love the game - hoping to join a team to the UK next summer will know if he makes the team in Janurary.
Ok see ya’ll monday and hope ya’ll have a relaxing week-end.
“If it was the original inhabitant of our planet, how could it NOT be released? It was always here… did people run around and scoop every single one up into a test tube? That just doesn’t make sense.”
Until a few years ago, it was not on the surface. The primitive form was discovered during oil drilling operations in Kuwait.
“Then it should be easily found as a pathogen and identified as the causative agent, and “Morgellons” will be a case closed. To whom have you taken this worm?”
The primitive form was taken and modified. In the majority of cases, the introduction of new DNA killed the organism. However, plant DNA was successfully incorporated into the worm at Monsanto. Military applications were NOT the first option for this new bug. One of the variants produced a phenomenal insect control organism. It was tested outside Round Rock, TX (a hotspot of Morgellons) where it decimated insect populations within controlled spray areas. The organism had destroyed locusts, roaches, crickets, even mosquitos. The control areas were treated afterwards with Diazenon which did not kill off the organisms completely. Some animals were infected as well and were destroyed.
So far, this “Wormwood” is still considered an agricultural product, but people near controlled spraying areas have been infected. Keep in mind that this is not the most aggressive specimen from Monsanto. There are up to 7 variants, of which about 4 are incredibly dangerous to humans.
The interesting find is that DDT kills this bug. However, DDT is illegal in the US and is banned in many countries. It is still used in the Congo and a few other African nations. Repealing the ban on DDT will stop this bug in it’s tracks. Remember, DDT was used on refugees in WWII and on our own troops for delousing. It is really the only hope.
For those of you who come here to help debunk Morgellons, think for a moment..why would anyone waste a moment of time trying to debunk something that is real? Why would they insist Morgellons is delusional when even the CDC has lots of physical samples?
You’re crazy!
But I’m itching and have physical scars…
You’re crazy!
But my doctor says something is wrong…
You’re crazy!
But my health is deteriorating…
You’re crazy!
But there are more and more people with this every day…
The truth is out there.
Smokingman said:
That’s an excellent point Smokingman. That’s why I always try to debunk things for which I see no evidence. If it’s real, I’d let it be.
The symptoms are real, people really do itch, and are fatigued, and have excoriations. The fibers are real as well - real fibers from the environment, or regular body fibers (hair, veins, nerves, etc).
However, there is no real evidence that there is a single new pathogen behind this. In fact the evidence indicates a mixed variety of physical and/or mental causes.
Smokingman, your posts are just science fiction, unless you can indicate the evidence on which they are based. Start by backing up “But there are more and more people with this every day.” What makes you think that is true?
After viewing some more videos at youtube.com, I, personally, feel closer, now, to a much worse understanding than I had previously. The former opinion that I’d had already, for so long, was not good to begin with. I see why it is defended now, and why so much is blamed on it, by some people. Well, no, it’s defended by all of those who think they have it, just for different reasons. No wonder those such types of people haven’t followed the instructions in their letters from the CDC to go to their local health care providers.
#170 Smileykins Says:
August 25th, 2006 at 9:43 am
In the meantime, Jace…
For the third time:
Do you have any idea what the picture in this link is, with the caption, “Microscopic view of a dry, membranous-like material formed over an open skin lesion of the type associated with what a small group of people call Morgellons disease.”?
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06204/707970-85.stm
Do you know what this same thing is, that’s pictured and described at other developmental stages of interference?
http://www.rense.com/general72/callus.htm
You are incredible, Jace.
Round Rock, Texas is a “Morgellons” hot spot because that town is the location of Republic Broadcasting Network. This network aired a broadcast about Morgellons and has spoken about it since then also. People in that area with symptoms of other known diseases then jumped onto the Morgellons bandwagon. There’s no other reason that Round Rock is a “hot spot”.
Tall Cotton
The sad truth of the matter is, as far as I can see it, is…
LET ‘EM GO.
Bottom line, with people like that, ya gotta just LET ‘EM GO.
We had mental health care reform, way back when.
This is a result of it, for quite a few morgies.
It’s sad, and nothing can be done.
The internet, and Mary Leitao, has brought it out of the woodwork for us to have a bird’s eye view.
It’s hard to handle.
Smoking man says: Until a few years ago, it was not on the surface. The primitive form was discovered during oil drilling operations in Kuwait.
What evidence do you have of this?
“The primitive form was taken and modified.”
By whom? And what evidence do you have of this?
“The interesting find is that DDT kills this bug.”
I thought you said it was a worm? And what evidence do you have of this?
“For those of you who come here to help debunk Morgellons, think for a moment..why would anyone waste a moment of time trying to debunk something that is real? Why would they insist Morgellons is delusional when even the CDC has lots of physical samples?”
We’re not sitting around thinking critically on, say, the common cold, for which there is a clear pathogen, symptoms, are treatment. We’re talking about something that has no found pathogen, no common symtoms, and no known treatment, but is still supposed to be “real” because someone tells me so. Evidence is necessary.
“But I’m itching and have physical scars…”
The process of skin healing is often very itchy. I have a very itchy (and very big and painful!) paper cut on my thumb right now, and it’s certainly not “Morgellons.” I do have some fibers in it, but they’re from my fuzzy blanket here on the chair with me.
“But my doctor says something is wrong…”
Something IS wrong. That doesn’t mean it’s “Morgellons.”
Smiley- Am I incredible in a good way, or a bad way? Please let it be a good incredible, I’ve had a nasty week, and I really do like you and the intelligent conversations on this board. Smiley. I didn’t respond to you the last couple of times because I was gently asked to back off this site. So from now on anything that comes from me is my OPINION only. I think that’s the only way I can continue to post here. My opinion is that I don’t know. (now see, that really wasn’t worth waiting for) The ones I’ve seen in the lab are on the bottom of what the morgies call “calluses”, which to me look mostly like typical scars except for those projections on the bottom. I’m not sure what they are, but they’re not a typical scab formation. My scabs don’t anchor themselves down into deeper layers of the skin. We’ve seen these more than once, but I truly don’t know what they are.
Jace,
Smileykins knows exactly what is taking place with these atypical, excoriated wounds. She was just seeing whether or not you know what is taking place. I think you need to go back to school.
Tall Cotton
Smoking Man,
Hey, it’s London here, I believe you and I have found out much more than I have said and I have reasons for that I guess like you do. Thanks for the heads-up on the distractor. But what he does not know is the riddles that begab nearly a year ago, actually did help me find some articles that I never would have found. Now although this led me in the wrong direction, it still wheted (sp?) my appetite to read more about stuff that I only thought could be possible in a sci-fi jetsons world.
Conspiracy theories? Hell yeah, 75% are true. But this one beats them all.
Lot’s of new faces in 2002, no doubt. You know, come to think of it, that’s when I////nevermind, nevermind.
I’m thankful that the bloggers have not publically tried to trash me and so I will stop here.
But smoking man, can we do anything to “spin this” the other way, i.e., can it be altered back or just stopped here? Is it true, the calm before the storm….if so, how long (years, months?) will this calm last?
is it true, they hate blacks and women? Well, I know that it is, but is this why we were chosen? You know the lab then florida fiasco just blew me away? How could they not take the humidity into consideration. Hello? What dumb arse caused that and did they kill him?
You know, when I go, I will be autopsied. They are not getting my corpse, hell no! I’m not gonna be their slave-submissive robot. F. them!
Jace, I care, enjoy your life, get away from where you are now. Change states, go live and breath….I know that sounds weird and I’m sorry but wanted to put that out there to you.
Texas Rose,
Sorry, that was not you, but thanks to Texas Star saying he had a tin-hat on, I now know what He looks like.
Some dissertation. Texas rose, they know.
and lastly, Sarah, well I just had to w/ the name…I was just being silly and glad you did not become too upset. The surface he speaks of is proteins.
This will be all from me since at least some of you had a heart and refrained….and Texas Star, thanks for the label, I appreciated it. I thought you’d be someone to work with to form some sort of an >nevermind, you know what I mean.
Smokingman, don’t go away!
Cinnamin Girl
Off topic ….
HOLY COW!!
When I got up this morning, my dad was sitting on the porch READING THE NEWSPAPER!! I haven’t seen him pick up the paper in the three months he’s been living with me. Later on, he came in and we chatted about current events for awhile, he really has no memory of recent stuff, so he’s catching up
OMG he is lucid, interesting, intelligent and fun to talk with … I have my dad back!!
Wahooooooo!!
and Michael, If I have you right, well, damn you are one smart man….
Wow, Jeezelouise. That has to be such a happy, happy experience getting your dad back again.
Jace, I’m sorry you’ve had a rough week. I’d suggested a while back thatyou & Wymore needed to think back to the basics on what you’d learned, and forgotten, about skin anatomy and functions, and wound repair processes. I’m also sorry you’ve returned, after stating you had to leave due to a conflict of interest. I really feel as though it’s in your best interest to not view anything on this blog, but, delusional states do things to the conscience. Do I think you’re purposely deluding yourself? I have no idea.
You may have thought I’d asked you about the excoriation scab photos to get your professional opinion. I just needed to see if you had the audacity to defend people who self-mutilate, and mutilate their kids, physically, and, mentally. You did.
Like some of the crap PhD Randy Wymore said in his letter to physicians:
This population of patients frequently exhibit the following symptoms:
• Distinct and poorly healing skin lesions with unusually thick, membranous scarring upon eventual healing.
The Phd also said:
• Moderate to extreme pruritis at sites of lesions as well as un-erupted skin.
Below, is a very sad account of a man who dug at one spot. I know of an on line morgie person who walks with a limp, because of this, and blames it on “morgellons disease”. Seeing Mary Leitao still pulling from the sore, that she won’t allow to heal, on the bottom lip of her little boy, on national television, was digustingly despicable to bear witness to. If her child’s lip is not already paralyzed, it will be. He’ll have problems eating, and speaking, along with God only knows what else, for the rest of his life, thanks to his mother.
Morgies do spread the word that their “morgellons disease” makes them end up losing everything. It’s so much easier to look for a pretend pathogen than it is to stop what they’re doing. Maybe not everyone is an excoriator. Maybe not everyone is buggy. Everyone is using “morgellons disease” for a reason, though, but what that reason is, only they know. Well, actually, no, I suppose there are plenty who may not really know. How great to have “morgellons” to blame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatric_hospital
Jace, I apologize for incorrectly employing the word, “defend” up above. I don’t even know the right word to use. I honestly don’t, and I’m sorry. I just knew you were going to be in denial of what those pictures are.
View, “My Hand” and listen to the background music. Also watch the disturbing, up close, “Can A Delusion Be Photographed?” (I haven’t viewed Part II). There are some deep, deep, holes in some still photos of morgie people. I have trouble viewing self-injury, but it’s a pleasurable experience for those doing it, from all I’ve ever heard, and read about it. Their psychological pain is relieved through inducing physical pain, which, in turn releases endorphins.
Most people claim they want help, but they so clearly don’t want help…but yet, they want us to know they’re suffering…and then, when we show that we care, and offer advice, it makes them mad. I don’t know who’s playing who, with “morgellons disease”. I suppose if they have money to burn on the doctors who are exploiting them, treating them for the non-existent “morgellons disease”, and not treating their mental illnesses, to them, that truly is a great thing.
I think maybe I’m in need of a shrink, now. Am I thinking normal, at all, anymore? Oh, heck!! I took my padded helmet off to wash my hair yesterday morning, and forgot to put it back on!! That’s what’s happened to me over the past 24 hours. (Strappin’ back in, now.)
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=morgellons+disease&search=Search
Wow- so saying that I don’t know something means that I’m defending self-mutilators and child abusers? Where do you even come up with that? *I’m* delusional? About what, may I ask? I don’t know why you keep trying to keep me off this blog, but I’m here because your little anti-morgellons cult should not be allowed to run unchecked. Your fearless leader Michael consistantly says he likes intelligent discussions, but if you do manage to run off everyone who doesn’t agree with you, the debates and intelligent discussions will stop and there will be nothing worth reading on this blog anymore.
And why exactly should I go back to school? I’m not a derm, I don’t intend to become a derm, and I’m not a pathologist either. The stuff that I do does not require me to identify such things. It’s absolutely ludicrous to expect someone to know everything about a topic that is only peripherally related to the exact work they do. If I were a microbiologist or anatomist than you would be justified in expecting me to be able to identify those scabs, scars, calluses, whatever they are. But hey continue your insults, it doesn’t bother me one bit. You want people to come here and side with you? Then you might want to quit being so rabid with anyone who won’t follow your advice.
Sarah bee
try the pest world site
remember nashville, opryland and the 100+ pesticide vendors putting on the show
2004 Attendee Promo
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Gaylord Opryland Resort. Nashville, Tennessee. PEST. WORLD … Bione, University of. Georgia, Athens, GA. Dr. Hinkle will discuss …
https://www.npmapestworld.org/pdfs/PW05%20attendee%20promo.pdf
i think you and dr. hinkle were on monday of the program.
scroll down at look at the vendors; pesticide companies world wide.
Jace. Grow up little girl.
jace,
c.p. marginata only comes out of his carapace when he feels he can dominate or spin a discussion. Like a playground bully he picks on those that appear weak. he doesn’t want to end up plastron up in the bright light of truth.
People with any God given sense know that anything I say is only what “I” think, and not what “my fearless leader” feels. Now, I don’t give in to child’s play when the playing field is uneven, so I’ll leave it at that.
Jace,
You did say that you think Morgellons is a disease. Although that belief is unfounded and illogical, you are in a position of leadership an influence as a part of the OSU team. Your viewpoints, or opinions, help to reinforce those of the Morgellons believers, as long as you are in agreement with them. By sharing that viewpoint, both you and Wymore are harming the Morgellons believers. You are doing it by reinforcing their delusions. As long as they remain in their delusional state they will continue to harm themselves, and you are indirectly condoning it by agreeing with their unwarranted beliefs. You have been presented with enough of the facts that, yes, you are delusional if you continue to believe in the lie of Morgellons. That also applies to Wymore. No one has tried to keep you from participating in this blog, but as long as we are here, we will counter every hint that Morgellons is a disease with the facts. If you had read Smileykins posts you would know that she apologized for using the word, “defend”, but isn’t that what you’re really doing. I think so, at least indirectly. We are not a cult. We don’t have a leader, and Michael doesn’t have a following. He has his opinions and each of us have ours. We are free here, to speak our minds. That wouldn’t be possible if this were a cult. By the same token, you wouldn’t be able to speak yours. Why should you go back to school. Well, Jace, you are a member of a team that has set out to prove that Morgellons is a distinct disease, whether you know it or not, and you don’t seem to know what a scab is. You are a Morgie, and you think like a Morgie. Don’t expect your opinions to be shared by everyone that uses this blog.
Tall Cotton
Do we have Monday off? And is it a paid holiday?
Absolutely, yes.
The correlation between my Da’s situation and Morgellons, is that Da’s thought processes were so scrambled up that he simply could NOT effectively make decisions regarding his own health. In such cases, when the people who love you are observing your symptoms and seeing it differently than you see it, it can be a very good idea to trust those people and let them help you.
Morgies readily claim “brain fog” yet still insist that anyone who fails to see what they see, is abandoning them - or even conspiring against them.
Yeah, I was part of a conspiracy. I had many discussions about my father, outside of his hearing. I conspired with my sisters, my husband and my son. We compared our surveillance notes and plotted courses of action. We deliberately and quietly solicited the assistance of outside agencies. We enlisted the support of many uninvolved third parties.
Yup, it was a conspiracy, all right.
And it worked.
regards
Tc said:
“WE ARE FREE HERE, TO SPEAK OUR MINDS.”
thank you
Texas tar,
I saw a lot of things while I was on drugs, things that either weren’t there, or else what I was seeing was distorted. But that was then. I see clearly now, and Morgellons is not a disease. You don’t have to believe it, and you don’t have to like it. But those are the facts.
Tall Cotton
Look to the big picture. The folks who own the USA, the big corporations, the ones who control the social institutions; they started feminism to get women into the workplace. The schools and daycares now have educational control over children.
Taxes are high, everything is regulated to produce greater and greater conformity.
There are two international trends that are going to be dominant; Islam and socialism. The only uncompromising enemy of these two movements is a Christian. One of the uses of Wormwood is to thin the herds in the “Red States”. Watch for controlled exposures in southern states. With the conservatives and Christians infected and dying en masse - and with a hideous parasitic wasting disease, the last block to the advance of socialism and islam will be broken.
This is the beginning of the Age of Morgellons. We are only seeing the very beginnings of the horror.
Smokingman, the problem is that you are simply spinning yarns here. Since you don’t have any evidence, your posts come across as high school regurgitations. Could you perhaps explain WHY you think these things? Pick one, and try to keep it at least slightly connected to fibers and sores.
Smokingman, until just now, I have been enjoying my life, fully, feeling completely as free as a bird. You have just ripped it away, and yanked all of my happiness, right out from underneath me, and I am terrified to leave my house. I want to go see a doctor but you’ve made me too scared to move all of a sudden. What should I do Smokingman? You have to help me, because you did this to me through your comments here. What should I do, right now, Smokingmna???? Tell me, with all the infinite wisdom you possess, what I can do right now over this paralyzing fear you have awakened me to?
What do you think, there boss? (Hehehehe, two seconds. Ya beat me.) Well, whomever’s in charge of payroll now, just make a note to have it out of my current pay.
I can barely pay bills, due to all my grammatical errors, anyway. Oh well. I do paint my monitor with white-out, but they still show up. I’m gonna quit being so rabid when people don’t take my advice, and go on out there, and hit the streets and pass out those flyers now, to do my new job of getting people to come here and side with me.
“Sarah bee…try the pest world site”
Heck, I wasn’t paid for that. I was only compensated for mileage and my hotel room. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to say that room full of homegrown Southern men are out to get you?
You see, what you say things like the “american pesticide applicators association” and mean the “national pest management association”, that’s a very particular distinction. the american pesticide applicators assocation, well, doesn’t exist. And when a person can’t get a major detail like that correct in an accusation, it doesn’t reflect well on their research skills.
The National Pest Management Assocation is sort a group that aids pest management professionals (like person who comes to apply pesticides in your house to prevent termites, or the person who finds the hole in your house where mice are coming in). The assocation aids these professionals in continuing education credits. It’s hard to become a pest management professional, especially as it requires no more than a high school diploma, but it does require extensive skills training. It requires the kind of detail-oriented training where one would not be admitted if they tried to say “american pesticide applicators association” when they meant “National Pest Management Association.”
“The folks who own the USA, the big corporations…they started feminism to get women into the workplace…. We are only seeing the very beginnings of the horror. ”
Smokingman, how many times have I asked you, what evidence do you have of any of this? Or is your method just to spout off half-baked conspiracy theories, and hope you find a gullible person who will believe you without any evidence? I’m happy to believe you, but all I need is for you to throw me a bone here any tell me from what resources you are devising these theories.
But, of course, I’m a woman in the age of feminism– why don’t I just go back to the kitchen? Wait, why am I wearing shoes? Where’s my apron? I’m am excrutiatingly insulted that you would suggest that a corporation would “invent” feminism to get women out of the home. That is a ridiculous, sexist, patriarchal notion.
What is the next thing you’re going to say, that these corporations “invented” the equal rights movement, to get blacks into the workforce and out of your servant’s quarters?
I’ve spoken of a lobster cage in the past, but I’d like to mention it again. A lobster cage has an open hole on top through which the lobsters are tossed. Nothing prevents the lobsters from crawling out the top, but none escape. Why is that? That’s because the lobsters that try to crawl out are pulled back into the cage by other lobsters. I think that this is a good example of the situation with the Morgellons believers. Some individuals begin to see the light, and head for the opening, into freedom, but others try to drag them back into a churn of false ideas. I’ve seen it happen.
I am a lobster that made it out. How did I do it? I’ll tell you. Smileykins made it out first. Fortunately she made it out before finding the forums of the Morgellons believers. Otherwise, she might have remained in the cage. But she was in it alone, and she came out without being dragged back in by others. When I began to see the light, I headed toward that opening, toward freedom. I received emails from people trying to drag me back into the delusion I was escaping. People made comments on the forum, trying to hold me in my former beliefs. But as I reached that opening, and others grabbed at me, Smileykins took hold of me and helped escape. Now we are on the outside, trying to help others. If you want a hand, reach and take it. But please, don’t pull others back into the cage who are trying to escape.
Thank God for the helping hand.
Tall Cotton
I went into that lobster cage, years later, when I heard about this thing on CoastTo Coast radio, and it sounded like what I had survived. To this day, I haven’t a trace of doubt, that many morgies think I am “morgellons disease” stricken and doomed. Many told me that I was, when I was on LB message board. Some said that the fibers just all went inward, and that someone like that is even worse off than someone who is aware of their fibers. I swear, they did!!!
Speaking of lobsters:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/040816/16lobster.htm
That’s kind of like the Morgellons trap. Millions of people saw the program on TV, only a few of them entered the trap (visited the web sites) and of those, 94 percent walked right out. The Morgellons trap, it turns out, is a pretty inefficient tool.
But lobstersmen still make a living, and Morgellons claims more victims. That small percentage adds up to a whole bunch of people after a while. Like lobsters, the healthy ignore the trap, or swim in and right out again. It’s the vulnerable that get stuck.
I cannot reveal my sources, but the epidemic is coming soon. I’m going to the Bahamas which will be spared this mass spraying.
I’m not asking anyone to believe me, just to be open to the possibilities. I understand that these things are too fantastic to believe. You may not believe it until it comes down on you.
A last hint: There is a reason why nurses and schoolteachers are most highly represented in the “morgellons” infected groups.
Yes, the reason is that nurses and schoolteachers are popular jobs for middle aged women.
“A last hint: There is a reason why nurses and schoolteachers are most highly represented in the “morgellons” infected groups. ”
I can guess the reason too, Michael: because nurses and schoolteachers get purposefully infected by the government for being out in the work force and ignoring poor Smokingman, who apparently needs a woman to make him dinner and iron his shirts.
And also, there’s a lot of them.
Teachers: 8 Million
Healthcare workers: 6.5 Million
(Nurses being 2.4 Million of that)
Why not so many farmers with Morgellons? Because there’s only 0.4 Million of them.
It’s just another example of the MRF’s nonsense statistics, like this:
http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/07/27/and-statistics/
Smokingman, since you need to alert us, for our own good, don’t we have a right to know if the voices are the ones revealing all of this to you, “for us”? Thank you.
I want to go to the Bahamas whether I have jasmonic acid or not!
Man, I think smoking man may be onto some info here, huh, Smokes?
Oh, I know about Dell/Roundrock,Tx and the new Japanese- Encephalitis…..it’s true…..And SmokingMan, I went to school down there and I distinctly remember where IBM has there big new buiding out on Mopac -right across the road from the Balcones C.Club…..gimme more hints…..
Cinnaimin Girl
Michael,
Are you implementing avatars?
TC
Hey Smokes,
Can you please tell me if I’m on the right path..as far as
touch, I’m seeing light and smell as well playing a part in some kind of osmosis.?…light energy perhaps?
some colors must be triggering or stimiulating this transduction eh?
I meant to also ask Smokingman if this could possibly lead to
aminoacidic proteins? I do not understand this very well but I can damn sure guarrantee I’m trying…..I think this is gonna be,
oh, Jeeze this is hard….something to do w/messing up the vegetables. Did you know that now they are not just recycling wastewater for enery but also RAIN!!!!!
As far as teachers and nurses contracting this made-up illness (not
so) well, I think/thought it was b/c of the water systems and the
chilled water towers that sits upon top of every hopital and everyauditorium but, lets look at it for a moment in the aspect that wer were targeted for this….b/c I know I was followed for a while and also know the flashing, sometimes strobes of light coming from accross my street, directly aimed at my condo. (go ahead and laugh here, really couldn’t give a shit) but so, let’s just say that okay, yeah, we were hand picked for this awful Bell Lab Plague….
So why I asked myself and then it hit me,if a shortage develops in essential professions such as teachers and nurses, insurance becomes insolvent: the amount of capital owned by insurance companies will ???????? so this is why, eh Smokes?
Oh, The Who, London? (Ahem…me-me-me-me) “See me….feel me-e-e……touch me, feel me-e-e.” Osmosis? No way, Ozzy is here, too? London, Morgfest is just a week away. I hope you have your skills fine-tuned. You know, I went to the Saturday Morgie Matinee today. Had a great time. Amino acids? Oh, I never leave home without ‘em. Now, I thought wastewater became rain. Wait a minute, rain is always recycled.
One week away, London…..yee-haw!!!
Hahahahaha
oh good, I made 911 laugh! Well here is some more 911:
Texas Star: Ever hear of the pesticide Sevin? Look what it’s soing to my lil wasp and bees……
If ground-nesting bees and wasps can be ignored and their tunnels tolerated, do so since they are valuable in agricultural production and helpful by controlling pests in nature. If nests are in locations undesirable and stinging is a great possibility, control is justified. During the day, carefully watch where the nest entrances are located. After dark, tunnels and the surrounding area can be treated with dusts of carbaryl (Sevin), bendiocarb (Ficam D) or diazinon when the nest is in the ground. Use pyrethrins, permethrin, resmethrin or propoxur (Baygon) when the nest is in the side of a building. Other lawn and garden insecticide sprays can also be used, but dusts have the advantage of not soaking into the soil. Those who are allergic to bee stings, should contact a licensed, professional pest control operator to perform the control job. Always read the label and follow directions and safety precautions.
This now, Is some type of Dust Pesticide but the name is SEVIN
I’m not, but apparently wordpress is. Users get a picture, which is showing up as a question mark if you don’t have one. So I just uploaded a picture for myself. Spot the rodent!
To get one, you just need to sign up for a wordpress account, at
http://wordpress.com
details:
http://wordpress.com/blog/2006/08/30/new-feature-avatars/
London, do you ever feel like you are being duped by a purposefully mysterious person who watches too many x-files reruns?
” But your article really makes me sick. I have to get off the computer (sharing it) but I will nevertheless come back on later this evening to prove you wrong.”
London, you never got back to me about how I could be wrong that some people who say they have “Morgellons” may not actually have MS/MSBP?
Thanks, Michael.
One of the first shockers I’d had on LB, when I was new to this whole thing, was of some people discussing using Sevin dust on themselves. I didn’t believe what I was reading, but that was only the beginning.
Just a simple question. Who sponsors this website? My bet is on Monsanto.
sarah hymenoptera said:
“HECK, I WASN’T PAID FOR THAT. I WAS ONLY COMPENSATED FOR MILEAGE AND MY HOTEL ROOM. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT ROOM FULL OF HOMEGROWN SOUTHERN MEN ARE OUT TO GET YOU?”
Oops, forgot you only had four freshman level science courses. Hymenoptera is the insect order that contains the wasps, bees and other stinging insects.
So if you and nancy did not get paid except for travel, room and don’t forget food, why did you go speak to a bunch of bug spray guys?
That vendor/sponsor list of over 100 companies had $omething to gain or they would not have been there.
I wonder how many industry grants nancy and the entomology department has gotten in the past few years? you were probably paid with grant (soft) money yourself. maybe a one year grant to study/con these people who thought they had bugs. you and nancy write the paper, present it, grant runs out and you go back to school.
its all about money, big money.
will have to research university of georgia entomology department grant proposals. i’m sure michael keeps all that stuff.
Texastar, what have pest guys got to gain from a person who convinces people that their pests are not real?
That simple question has been asked and answered a number of times. If you’re not going to believe the answer, why ask?
Because I dont believe you.
Why would this site need a sponsor to exist? All it took was a bored retired guy, and it costs me nothing, as the hosting is free via wordpress.com.
You know, we are just wasting time here with the stupid conspiracy theories. But the reason for this is that there is nothing else to discuss. Morgellons has gone away in the public consciousness. The press have done their stories, so why would they do more stories on the same subject? The flood of recruits will slow back to the pre-publicity level, the quacks will continue as normal. The only thing of interest in the near future is the CDC report.
Thats interesting. You are registered with godaddy.com out of Scottsdale, AZ. on 5/14/06 w/ a domains by proxy.
And this indicates …. what? That you know how to do a domain whois?
And this site is way too organized to be operated by a bored retired guy.
You do realize that 15.2 million sites are registered through godaddy? Are they all part of the conspiracy?
Oh yes, I forgot I paid $15 for an anonymous domain registration. Obviously I must be backrolled by a huge multinational corporation.
As for the site being “too organized”, I really have no defense. Andreas Viklund should get some credit though.
No just this site.
Jeezelouise, I realize you are supposed to be undercover, but that question mark is just too enigmatic. Can’t you upload a symbolic picture?
Why did you go anonymous with registration? Hmm. Why not tell everyone who you are and why you chose your postition?
OH, HAHAHAHAHA!!! Helmet time for me!!!
Because I don’t want harassing or otherwise annoying phone calls and mail.
Sorry, Michael. I was printing up the photos from last night’s Suri Cruise surveillance mission and had to wait for that to finish before I could upload anything. I really need to requisition more RAM.
Then he made us register the rest of those 15.2 million GoDaddy domains just to confuse things even further.
Michael is gooooood.
MONSANTO, lets say it again kids, M-O-N-S-A-N-T-O
Monsanto, easy enough to say.
And the point of this exercise is ….?
OMG, Monsanto built Suri Cruise??!!??
M-O-N-S-A-N-T-O I would hate to think of where the world would be without M-O-N-S-A-N-T-O
This avatar thing seems to be a bit dicey?
please do your own research about bio-enginereed food and get off my nuts
Monsanto is good.
Why would I want to research bioengineered food?
Yeah, Weezie has a good paying job doing what she’s doing.
Monsanto is good? They must be paying you to say that.. Monsanto is evil for playing god with nature and changing things that are natural.
You know, I realize that I’m new to this planet and all, and perhaps miss the more subtle stuff, but I don’t see where anyone on this thread has voiced an opinion about Monsanto, good or bad, except you?
I like Monsnto. I wouldn’t be where I am today, without Monsanto.
I used to love the Monsanto ride at Disneyland.
HAHAHAHA said…
You’d better throw away you mother’s calamine lotion. It ain’t natural either.
Tall Cotton
I used to love the plant tours in the Springtime, too, especially the walks around the waste treatment pond. Yes, those live bacteria were fascinating. Gobbelty-goop. Union Carbide, and I can’t forget Dupont. There’s so many. Monsanto is the best.
yes that makes as much sense as anything you have said.
But, really, Lucent has way better buffets.
MONSANTO GM-food folks good-night
Do you suppose one day you’ll tell us what relevance this has to anything?
I think such things have all the fun and mystery taken out of them if they have to be relevant to anything. The morgie scene I know of is that way. Many start out one way, and end up way the heck out there in never-never-land.
For Pete’s sake, should I be scared of Monsanto, or Lucent, or chemtrails, or Tom Cruise, or doctors or shrinks?!?! I guess I should be scared of everything!
Oh, nevermind, too much trouble. I’ll stick to being scared of FenBen and bleach.
Fear. I can’t even begin to imagine being so terrified of the world we live in, and saying that nothing is necessary, or needed, to help cope with it. Being fear stricken, and angry, enough, at the world, as well as so terribly upset because the rest of us aren’t, won’t make things just go “presto-chango”. We’re being told there is something wrong to not have fear and discontent. It has to be a miserable existence to not even know that this isn’t the way the majority of people think. Anytime fear gets a foothold on a person, there is a major power loss. I don’t like people to be afraid, of anything, and whatever made them get that way, pisses me off. Houston, you’re fun to play with, but you’re not playing. You believe you have “morgellons disease”. You’ll correct me if I’m wrong. Thank you.
They want us to take notice, and be afraid with them, and for their sakes. But, like a shadow, Morgellons has no substance.
Hey, Hey, Where do black ticks get Borrelia burgdorferi from?
Does anyone know????
How about from the parasitoid wasp! Oh yeah!
and…did you know….
Mutant Algae Is Hydrogen Factory
Researchers at the University of California at Berkeley have engineered
a strain of pond scum that could, with further refinements, produce
vast amounts of hydrogen through photosynthesis.
The new strain of algae, known as C. reinhardtii, has truncated
chlorophyll antennae within the chloroplasts of the cells, which serves
to increase the organism’s energy efficiency. In addition, it makes the
algae a lighter shade of green, which in turn allows more sunlight
deeper into an algal culture and therefore allows more cells to
photosynthesize.
For the Full Story, see:
http://www.gatago.com/sci/environment/3936469.html
maybe I got that wrong on Lyme disease and wasp, but the wasp parsitizes the tick:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/esa/jme/2003/00000040/00000005/art00007
well here, you be the judge:
Absence of spirochaetes (Borrelia burgdorferi) and piroplasms (Babesia microti) in deer ticks (Ixodes dammini) parasitized by chalcid wasps (Hunterellus hookeri).
Mather TN, Piesman J, Spielman A.
Department of Tropical Public Health, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts 02115.
An entomophagous wasp (Hunterellus hookeri Howard) parasitizes about a third of the host-seeking nymphal Ixodes dammini Spielman et al. ticks on Naushon Island in Massachusetts (U.S.A.) where the agents of Lyme disease (Borrelia burgdorferi Johnson et al.) and human babesiosis (Babesia microti Franca) are enzootic. Following blood-feeding, wasp-parasitized ticks are destroyed by the developing wasp. The prevalence of either human pathogen in host-seeking ticks collected in wasp-infested sites is nearly 40% lower than that found in other sites. Nymphal ticks, collected early in their season of activity, are more frequently parasitized by the wasp and less frequently by the Lyme disease spirochaete than those collected later in the summer. Spirochaetes never infected wasp-infected ticks, and few wasp-infected ticks were concurrently infected by the Babesia piroplasm. Taken together, these correlations indicate that the wasp may render the tick inhospitable to both pathogens. The presence of the wasp may have reduced risk of human infection on the island by either pathogen by as much as a third.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2979518&dopt=Abstract
London,
That means that the wasp parasitizes tne ticks and this renders the ticks inhospitable to Borrelia burgdorferi and Babesia microti Franca. The developing wasp also kills the ticks.
Tall Cotton
P.S. The main reservoir for Borrelia burgdorferi is the White Footed Mouse.