May 302006

Here’s a fascinating article from India:

A study of skin disorders in patients with primary psychiatric conditions.

Which neatly goes over a “mixed variety of physical and mental illnesses”.

Only 2% were diagnosed with DOP, and less than 5% of the skin disorders were psychogenic.

Now, I don’t think this group is at all representative of the people who claim to have Morgellons, since it’s a sample of people who have a primary psychiatric condition. But the varied nature of the study group is probably representative of the mixed variety of Morgellons sufferers.

Here’s a nice quote:

“The skin occupies a powerful position as an organ of communication and plays an important role in socialization throughout life. The interface between dermatology and psychiatry is complex and of clinical importance”

23 Responses to “India”

  1. Hmmmm…let’s see. Indian doctors trained in Western style medicine come up with Western style conclusions. Oh yea, that was brilliant. Five-star. I wonder what the Ayurvedic doctor might say about the same thing. Now that would be interesting; you’d think in seven thousand years they might have figured-out a thing or two.

  2. That’s an excellent article. It makes it very clear that many cutaneous disorders are accompanied by psychiatric conditions. The skin problems and the psychiatric conditions should serve as warning flags, each for the other.

    What came first? The chicken or the egg.

    A serious skin condition can effect a person emotionally, and an emotional problem can affect a person’s skin. Which should you treat? In my opinion, it would be wise to treat both, if both are present, but if either of those conditions are of a serious nature, treatment should be left to professionals.

    The mind and the body are members of a system of checks and balances, but many people refuse to nuture another key figure in the system, the central figure or interface between the two, and that is the spirit.

    What came first, the chicken or the egg? Does it really matter? Let any member go and the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

  3. Or…the same culprit affecting the skin, such as a spirocyte, is also affecting the brain; in which case, one needs to better understand how to identify and kill the little bugger in order to treat the skin and the mind. It is true, the two are linked, linked by a common infectious agent.

  4. “In my opinion, it would be wise to treat both, if both are present”

    Bingo – therein lies the answer. Any long term medical complaint has a psychological aspect to it – if nothing else, constantly feeling cruddy makes you feel depressed, and you end up in a cycle of not coping and so on. Those with skin conditions are particularly susceptible because of the shame and dirtiness connotations, even subconsciously, people hold regarding skin lesions.

    Treat the whole person, not just part of them.

  5. abac68 said…
    My mental state is fine thanks. My purpose for being here is to show everyone that this blog site is a pack of crap, and basically to SHUT it down, just try and stop me.
    8:04 PM
    abac68 said…
    You Sick, twisted, individual. How dare this blog site allow material to be written about “a little boy named Drew” and the late “Tavis Wilson” and his mom. LEAVE THESE PEOPLE ALONE

  6. I agree about treating the whole person, and I tend to think that anyone with skin conditions other than “morgellons disease victims” can tell whether their emotions create an exacerbation in their skin conditions, and vice versa, and that they seek the right methods of assistance for it, if necessary.

    I’ve been in remission from eczema for about 20 years now, and stress definitely caused it to flare, although I didn’t seek help over it. The stress, I mean. I just treated the eczema.

    I got the heck teased out of me at work over my big raw patches, but that honestly didn’t bother me. Hehe, I’d just chase after whomever was teasing me, and threaten to rub my sores on them. It was really pretty fun, actually.

    Morgies, however, have such a distinctly different set of circumstances. I know, from when I’d been ill, and recovered, from a unique set of explainable things, several years ago, with what has since been labeled as a “disease called morgellons”. There is no such “disease”, but there is a condition that can be brought about through many states of ill health.

    The misconceptions that have been instigated and instilled in peoples’ minds, though, due to the “creation of morgellons disease”, which is causing them to disbelieve, and disregard, their other medical concerns, thinking it is all a result of morgellons, is
    a very seriously unique matter of concern for us all.

  7. Keep spinning your crap, I’m loving it. Oh and by the way – KISS MY BOTTOM!

  8. 1111 West 17th Street
    Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
    918-582-1972
    May 15, 2006
    Re: Morgellons Disease
    From: Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D., Department of Pharmacology & Physiology
    Rhonda Casey, D.O., Department of Pediatrics
    Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Dear Practitioner,
    This letter concerns a patient population that manifests a particular set of symptoms we have encountered
    with increasing frequency, and that OSU-CHS is actively researching. The condition has been labeled as
    Morgellons Disease and it is unclear if this is a single disease or a multi-faceted syndrome. Until recently, most of
    these patients have been grouped as a subset of the diagnosis of Delusions of Parasites (delusional parasitosis;
    DOP). After obtaining careful patient histories and thorough physical exam, we have determined that Morgellons
    patients have several important distinctions ruling out the diagnosis of DOP.
    This population of patients frequently exhibit the following symptoms:
    • Distinct and poorly healing skin lesions with unusually thick, membranous scarring upon eventual healing.
    • Moderate to extreme pruritis at sites of lesions as well as un-erupted skin.
    • Microscopic examination of these lesions will most often reveal the presence of unusual fibers, which may be
    black, blue or red. These fibers, which many healthcare providers initially thought to be textile
    contaminants, are often present in the deep tissue of biopsies obtained from unbroken skin of individuals
    with this condition. Careful examination of these fibers further reveals that they are frequently associated
    with hair follicles, and are definitely not textile in origin.
    • Most of these patients suffer from a host of neurological symptoms which can vary in severity from mild to
    severe. These neurological symptoms include peripheral tingling, paresthesias and varying degrees of motor
    involvement which appear to progress.
    • Intermittent cognitive and behavioral status changes are often observed and also seem to progress with the
    severity of disease. This is often referred to as “brain fog” by the patient as they experience a waxing and
    waning of this symptom.
    • Laboratory findings in these patients are variable, but often reveal eosinophilia and elevated levels of
    Immunoglobin E.
    • Other symptoms of varying severity and frequency have been described, and are included in the attached
    case definition.
    Continued…
    Morgellons patients differ from classical, delusional parasitosis patients in several areas. They do not respond to
    antipsychotics, and new lesions continue to appear upon complete cessation of manual excoriation.
    Due to the sensation of foreign material in their tissue, that has been described as sharp, stinging and/or splinterlike,
    the patient may have discovered the fibers prior to seeking medical care, and may bring them to your office for
    examination. Please do not assume that the patient’s problem is purely psychological based on this propensity.
    Many of these patients may appear skeptical of traditional medical care due to frequent dismissal of their
    symptoms in the past. The combination of suffering from a chronic disease with distressful symptoms and no known
    cause or cure can cause some patients to appear anxious or agitated.
    We encourage you to take the time to carefully interview any patient who may fall into this category, perform
    any testing you may deem appropriate, and most importantly treat the patient with compassion and dignity.
    Sincerely,
    Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D. Rhonda Casey, D.O.
    Director of Research, Associate Professor of Pediatrics
    Morgellons Research Foundation
    Assistant Professor of Pharmacology
    Oklahoma State University
    Center for Health Sciences
    1111 West 17th Steet
    Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
    email: morgellons@okstate.edu
    Morgellons Information Line: (877) 599-7999
    http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm

  9. Stupidity isn’t really considered to be a physical condition or a psychiatric condition, but for the Morgies it seems to be a real common characteristic. The following quote was copied from a post on lymebusters morgellons forum.

    Re: hypothetical question….what if you found out
    « Reply #14 on Jun 5, 2006, 1:13am »

    “Only thing that did work somewhat well was the 3 ozs of malathion every other day in 1 gal of water.I have since switched to the granular form which I spread throghout the house….feels like your walking on sparow seeds under your feet…”

    Of course, anyone with 2 brain cells ought to know better than attempt such a thing.

    Tall Cotton

  10. I appreciate abac68 sharing Doctor Wymore’s statement to physicians, which otherwise, I had only read once and missed the importance of what he says near the end.

    “The combination of suffering from a chronic disease with distressful symptoms and no known cause or cure can cause some patients to appear anxious or agitated.
    We encourage you to take the time to carefully interview any patient who may fall into this category, perform any testing you may deem appropriate, and most importantly treat the patient with compassion and dignity.”

    Imagine the levels of toxicity, and what role they help play in “appearing anxious or agitated”. That cautionary statement that he made is so sad.

  11. Yep, I know all about lindane toxicity

    And have had several doctors divorce me

  12. If you are interested in Morgellons Disease or experience Morgellons symptoms, I would like to invite you to participate in the Morgellons Disease Information Community and Message Board at morgellonsite.com

  13. Lindane Toxicity
    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3225/is_n5_v51/ai_16950656

    I had to look into Lindane toxicity, interesting. What I did find interesting in that article was the symptoms the woman suffered from. I do not know what skin cream my mum used on her skin or my skin, but my mum would faint so much, and tremble and wobble, awful memories, very hard when you are little and your mum keeps collapsing on the floor in front of you.

    My sister still recalls my mum fainting in front of her when she was 3 years old and she had to run for the neighbour. I never did ask my sister if I had been born yet, maths is not my thing! She said she was trying to give my mum water to drink to help bring her around.

    I wonder if it was my sister who shoved that red icy pole down my neck when I was one week old??? That’s what my parents say anyway and so does Jane apparently. I wish I could remember, christ I will be back in the “womb” if I am not careful!!

    Strange strange journey.

  14. I’m not interested in anything other than what people are benefiting from by believing in “morgellons disease”.

  15. Prichard,

    Morgellons Disease is a delusion. If you are promoting that belief, you are doing people great harm.

    Tall Cotton

  16. Prichard – Interesting link, I was only interested in what the CDC had to say. I am not interested in newspaper stories. I put my faith in the CDC and I know they will come through for me. Mr Rutz told me I could do this, and I will.

    If this entire website and the whole circus involved was a hoax the CDC would never have phoned me at home and Mr Rutz would never have sent me such a lovely letter. A man in his position of authority, and respected by so many would not in his wildest dreams go out on a limb and take the time to write such a lovely supporting letter.

    The truth here is the letter from Mr Rutz got me to where I am. No help from my family, which is why I kept doing this, Morgellons internet stuff, I new all along my life and whatever happened was not my fault.

    But this blog site is not the place for me to discuss this personal information, it is not something I wish to share with anyone. It would be my own personal therapist, a person I know I can trust, someone I really really respect.

  17. I meant to say;

    The only person I know I can talk to about this is my Psychiatrist, I know he would understand, that is, if he thinks and I think the same thing.

    Think think think.

    I trust him in other words.

  18. I just remembered something.

    You know the Lymebusters site NOT the message board oh NO. I mean where you read about Kerry and I think Patty, their stories.

    I printed those up whilst I was researching Lyme Disease. My sister said straight away to my Mum my god that sounds just like Gillian, especially the back herniation at 16 yrs of age.

    My back never got the treatment it should have done at the time of my injury, I was really made to feel it was ALL my fault.

    I have an anterolateral herniation at L3/4 of my spine. This herniation will actually show on a plain x-ray, this is in fact unusual I was told by a couple of doctors. So in other words the inherniation pops inwards rather than out.

    My right leg first gave way when I was 16 yrs old walking home from school. My butt would go numb when I sat on the loo. The pain was awful. I had to take pain killers at about 16 or 17, right after my mum told me to quit school, she even chose my job for me.

    You see, that is probably why she (my mum) has the youthful face of a 25 year old woman and I have the face of a 120 year old woman. My Gran well, she is just a controlling selfish old cow and looks great, and Tony is slamming doors right now because I don’t want to listen to his pissed talk about his f&^$%( mate who did not want to know me anymore when I became ill (his mate that is). Only interested in me when my legs came up to my armpits. and that includes Tony too.(only wanting to know me when I looked good).

    And the quack wanted to fix Tony’s alcohol addiction. Give me one minute alone in room with that quack. I won’t hit him or hurt him physically. I will talk very calmly and point out what life is about, the good, the bad and the very ugly. He will learn not to use and abuse the word of the “Lord” as a tool for selling his snake oil treatments.

    The abuse is immense.

  19. The sad part I see in reference to the Felux Vu Voodo term (you now 3 people delusional, I’m tired!) if we join DOP and MSBP, it is a fine line…

    Two parents and then a child

    One is guilty.

    Was not me.

    And it was not my Dad.

  20. I meant to say DOP and MSBP and Morgellons it is a fine line between the THREE…

  21. Are we there yet, are we there yet.

  22. This is my story take it or leave it. In 1994 while I was working as a medical record clerk at Austin Regional Clinic South a sore appeared on my forehead. It hurt like hell until I removed the scab and found egg like things that appeared to be made from hard rubber. Dr. Abraham Delgado examined it and said it did not look like cancer but my family made me get a second opinion and I went to Dr. Randal Grimshaw. I thought the egg shaped things were the most interesting thing but he decided to biopsy the edge which came up as chronically inflamed tissue. I had this lesion for over 4 years. Years later I was working at Austin Heart PA and began to have them on my face and arms. When I went to work at Renaissance Womens Group in Austin in 1999 all hell broke loose. I ended up with more lesions than I could possibly bandaged and made an excuse to quit two weeks before 9/11. I had hundreds of high quality pictures of various plastic or rubber like thing I had removed from my flesh and doctors looked at them and had no explanation. During the time I worked at these clinics I was the only one who had this and it was not till much later that I found out it was common in nurses around Austin. This is how I describe it. I feel like I have slivers of glass in my skin and when I remove the scab it has what looks like stalagmites made from molded superglue. Under this there are egg shaped things that seem to be made of tire like hard rubber. After I remove a scab a thin liquid seeps in that is clear/slightly pink that quickly hardens into a mold of the stalagmite looking things that came off with the scab and the process starts over.

  23. Thank you for sharing, Allenvestal.

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