I was looking at this KTUV video, and one thing that struck me was the similarity of the lesions on the afflicted people. They were very similar to the ones on WKRG Alabama. What do these people have in common?
Here’s a picture of the lesions.
Actually, I fib. The above picture is of lesions from someone suffering from what is termed Neurotic Excoriation, related to Dermiatitis artefacta.
The picture comes from the web site Dermnet, which has a fascinating (and sometimes disturbing) comprehensive photographic overview of what might go wrong with your skin. The eczema collection alone is quite amazing, and that’s where we find Neurotic Excoriations.
The above photo is taken from the WKRG Alabama video.
So, my actual point here is that Morgellons is not Delusions of Parasitosis, at least not always. Based on the what I’ve seen, I think it often can be one of any number of skin conditions, compounded with simply mistaking environmental fibers as being fibers emerging from the skin. Delusions are not necessary, just a mistake.
Sure, delusions may be present in some people. But I think a lot of people are quite reasonably minded, and simply found a few ordinary fibers, and then were fooled by the web and media reports into thinking that this was a genuine symptom of their problem.
The sad thing is, this hurts them two ways. Firstly, hurried doctors diagnose them as delusional, and secondly they diagnose themselves as having “Morgellons”, in both ways depriving them of appropriate medical care.
If you think you have Morgellons, perhaps you should browse though Dermnet first, just to get an idea of the range of possibilities.
Morgies claim, at least all the ones I know of, that they’ve looked at all the possibilities.
You know, that sure covers a lot of ground, as many skin conditions as there are.
Here’s the thing, though. If you read their message boards, you’ll find actual dermatological diagnoses that have been received by quite a few of them. Go figure. Of course, lots of other health conditions too. It’s “all” morgellons disease, to them.
But sure, there are plenty, I agree, that may be given a hasty DOP diagnosis. What doctor wouldn’t assume, as any of us, that people know that environmental fibers adhere to skin? Doctors are hard pressed for time, and they’re trained what to do when the matchbox sign is presented, as well as to base diagnoses on their trained skills in observing the patient’s behavior. Who could blame them for following their training? Normal thinking people should know better.
But okay, let’s say they were normal thinking, minus any delusions. That’s where MRF has led them astray. For the life of me, I cannot even let my imagination run wild, and think for a split second, that this “expert team” of reseachers don’t know a @#!%&@#! thing about the epidermal layer of our skin!!!
It was previously accepted that the stratum corneum was a collection of dead cells, with no ongoing activity beyond barrier function. But it’s known that many functions do take place and may originate in this layer. The stratum corneum is “alive”.
Morgies keep their skin messed up, in lots of ways, even if they were in good health otherwise. As much oil saturation that most of the morgie people have in their skin, it isn’t having any oxygen/carbon dioxide exchange. Do you think they know that anemia, even if they have no other health problems, could be a large contributing factor? Dehydration? Look at how many of them have intestinal problems. Do you think they know those toxins are going to create skin problems? Do you think they really care? The answer is a definite NO.
NO, to everything, except absurdity.
If the previously normal thinking morgies only wanted to get better, they would. They really would, but they’ve joined up to a false doctrine, with great rewards eventually coming their way.
I’ve spoken with many people that claim to be suffering from what they call “Morgellons” and it’s quite obvious that some of them are suffering from illnesses that have been diagnosed by their doctors but the patients have refused their doctor’s diagnoses and treatment protocol. Others have followed their doctor’s advice, but gave up when they didn’t get immediate results. Some of the sufferers have lyme disease, and some have undiagnosed skin conditions that I believe to be common skin problems.
Many of their scabs have been knocked off, scratched off, or pulled off. I believe that this, and the fact that the lesions contain fibers, are two of the reasons that these lesions are slow healing. Most of the fibers appear to be common industrial fibers, and it appears that the sufferer has simply failed to keep the lesions clean.
No, I do not think Morgellons will qualify as a disease or syndrome. In my opinion there is no Morgellons pathogen. I do sincerely believe that this “condition” is spread by the hysteria of the sufferers. The do seem to me to have delusional personalities, more often than not. These people seem to be extremely gullible, and not very bright. I hate to say that, but that’s the way I see it.
If you’ve read the recent reports, these fibers have been examined by the best in the business and they are neither environmental (nothing known as yet, anyway) or of a textile nature. And believe me, there are more than just a few. You have absolutely no idea or concept of the suffering involved here. I pray that this disease does not come to you, doubter that you are, though karma sure is a strange thing. I’d keep a magnifying glass handy, just in case.
Actually, the fibers have been examined by Prof. Wymore and friends. He actually found a lot of environmental fibers, but there were some he was unable to identify.
So, even if there were some genuine novel fibers emerging from the body due to some unknown pathogen – you are still going to get large numbers of people with skin conditions who simply find environmental fibers on their skin and lesions, and mistakenly think they have something called Morgellons.
My doctor prescribed Hydroxyzine HCL 10MG. and Clobetasol Propionate ointment 0.05% The itching, burning and parasites disappeared after 10 days.
You say you “fib”. As Jesus said, “you spoke rightly”. (Meaning you have spoken correctly about yourself.)
Jesus also said “love your neighbor as yourself”. Please love yourself more so you can, indeed, love your neighbor more.
In the 10 Commandents, God said, “Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Jesus also said, “judge not that thou be judged.” In obedience, I judge you not. Instead, I promise to get up from the computer and say a prayer for you. Jesus said, “pray for them which despitefully use you.”
Anonymous, my gosh, why are you saying those fibers have been examined by the best in the business? You should come to your senses, unless you can’t, and in that case, seek treatment for that.
“I pray that this disease does not come to you, doubter that you are, though karma sure is a strange thing.”
Listen, to you! Some morgies don’t like to be lumped together by the things they say, but heck, I’ll be a freakin’ monkey’s uncle if every one of you morgie people doesn’t say that one. I had it, and I didn’t have a magnifying glass, and I sure didn’t blow good money on a microscope.
You take your atitude, and read my and Tall Cotton’s experiences with it, and before you finished, if you want to think that we didn’t have what you call “morgellons”, but that we had something worse, as I’ve been accused of by one of “your people” on Digg….
…like I told him, “if” I wanted to bring the symptoms onto myself, “I could” produce them and carry around a “chronic” case of it. There would be something terribly amiss with me, if I did that. I’ve learned what it is and how to make the symptoms in my skin show up. I would never have gone through such a thing with out wanting to learn as much as I could about it. I used my brain to learn, because that’s what they’re for.
Our acounts are lenngthy, and for that, we’re sorry, but don’t just look at the introduction, and think Smileykins, here, had eczema, and run off.
That kind of talk you just employed, along with some other recognizable commonalities, speaks volumes in revealing suspicions as to the root causes of morgie peoples’ problems.
Get Well. People who are really “suffering” want to end the cause of their suffering. They don’t defend it.
That’s another major commonality.
Yeah, you’d better pray, for yourself, and act like you mean it, for a change, if you’re a true believer in Jesus Christ, who’s just become lost. Go on and do it for the ones that despitefully use you, if you feel that will help you too, but you should be more concerned with your own healing. If you’re really suffering, you’ll do the right thing.
God will reveal who your “users” are.
Didn’t you ever learn to look before you leap. Your comments about those with Morgellons, are without any knowing. So how can you sit back and maintain this isn’t happening – I know, that’s typical of what people with no sense do. Always too!
Nobody denies that folks with “Morgellons” suffer. Most of us here are just convinced that what morgies suffer from is mostly psychological.
What makes a lot of folks mad is not how much money conventional doctors are losing. It is how much money morgies are losing to ineffective treatments, and how much time they are losing.
All those months slathering potions on yourself are months you haven’t spent in the sunshine looking at the flowers! If the delusions of parasitosis are just the leading edge of deeper psychological problems, all those hours ticking away looking at fibers under a microscope are hours you are not spending stopping whatever’s wrong before you end up with all the psychological care you can ever hope for.
Don’t be so dense as to attack me, Anonymous. Read my story and THEN talk to me. What are YOU so afraid of? I am bold, because I know what I’m talking about. Do it. Let’s get it on.
You came to the wrong place. Posting your comments here will only serve to accent your stupidity. You can’t match wits with anyone here. We’re way above your league.
Michael, tall cotton, smileykins.
I like this article you posted from emedicine about excoriations.
It seems you wanted to highlight the fact that excoriations are due to pshycological problems.
The very article you posted contradicts itself.
After reading the article one can gather that excoriations are caused by:
1. Pshycological problems. True for some.
2. Actual skin irritants from a variety of sources listed in the “differentials”. True for most.
When reveiwing the most popular dermatological image databases one can easily see there are at least a thousand skin diseases that produce a lesion in the skin as a result and many times a secondary infection.
To say that a person does this out of pshycological reasons is absurd. And if you are a:
1. A Dermatologist
2. A Medical Doctor
3. A Biologist
Your an idiot with a title for saying such a thing and it shows you didnt learn a god damn thing in biology 101.
This emedicine article is disturbing in itself when it recommends issuing the patient pshycotropic drugs especially if they havent completed the differentials.
I can assure you this list of differentials is more extensive than what is listed. Non of this even includes all of the zoophilic diseases passed from animal to man that cause pruritus upon entry infection of the organism.
Any more, its the same thing. You go see a derm or a doc and in five minutes they say, “This will all go away if you stop picking at it”.
No lab work. ever. How do they know your not infected with strongyloides or any one of hundreds of protozoa, bacteria, or viral diseases known to cause pruritus.
Which then leads to excoriations. The condition will now cycle itself within the body.
Your information is biased especially when I can pull a hundred articles off the web of things that cause pruritus which leads to excoriations. Just keeping ones hands off of the condition does not make the condition disappear magically as if that is the solution to all these diseases.
This article seems to be the same “peer reveiwed” shit that all are trained by.
If you dont know whats causing the problem in the patient. Blame it one the patient. Fine blame it on the patient after YOU have done YOUR diagnostics and completed the differentials. Thats treatment, not issuing a pshycotropic mind drug before the fact.
This is for you Mr. know-it-all.
Name the University responsible for embedding bio engineered bacteria into clothing that people wear and have sold that technology to textile manufacturers. What type of bacteria was spliced in this bioengineered bacteria?
Is this modified bacteria known on the books in Medical or Dermatological referrences?
Tell me the name of the Institution responsible for testing biomodified bacteria on cotton crops using nematode vectors. How were these bacteria manipulated? With what were they crossed with? Do these modified bacteria have an affinity for the human body by chance because of nutrients available in the human body. Were these bacteria spliced with other mammalian cells?
What types of chemicals, mammalian cells, plant DNA, nematode DNA etc were used? Does this new organism fit anything in the books?
Is it possible that a scientist can express certain genes to promote certain effects in bacteria to control other bacteria and or insects without relying on chemical pesticides?
Is it a known bacteria on the books? Are these bioengineered bacteria capable of producing fibers by genetically expressed DNA from other living things in that bacteria to harm the host insect which destroys cotton plants?
Why do these fibers autoflouresce?
Were these fibers bioengineered with flourescent bio markers taken from spliced nematode genes and other animals with flourescent abilities?
I guess once the genome projects began splicing many things for the purpose of controlling other things, such as destructive pests, we opened up new problems because nature doesnt like to be “fixed” by man’s thinking of how things should be in this world.
Now if scientists are crossing bacteria, plant, chemical, and anmimal genes as they admit and which I have read, then why would it surprise anyone that we can now create things which we have never seen before.
You want to be able to quote dermatological refferences when there are things out there being created and experimented with that will not fit any textbook referrence.
“If its not in the book, its in your head” Most dont even care if its in the book.
That is your shallow-minded mentality.
I want you to explain to us why these Universities have developed embeddeding bio modified, bio active fibers technology in clothing using spliced e-coli bacteria and other mammalian cells crossed with genes of other living things. They clearly state using these bioactive fibers to utlize nutrients from the human body.
They openly admit to engineering these e-coli bacteria to be lysine deficient and embedded into clothing to control odors, degrade oils etc. etc. The reason they say they engineer the bacteria this way is to control their growth in the clothing articles.
Well what happens when abrasion from the clothing article innoculates them into the skin where there is now an available source of the amino acid lysine that is abundant in the human body? Seems that there is now a source of nutrients for this bio modified bacetria.
And what about the nematodes used in crops? Well most stay in the soil for years and years and alot end up in cotton products, from the field all the way to hanging up in the department store.
All testing of these bio experiments have absolutly no EPA mandate controls. That means they can dispose of failed experiments how ever they choose. They also spray these test nematodes on large areas. If they fail well you just cant take back the genetically modified organism as it is already unleashed into the environment.
The internal stitching threads of cotton shirts and levis etc, that ragged edge is full of eggs and parasites and the rope edge acts like a file against the body in motion innoculating bacteria into the skin. NO SCATCHING, PICKING, (EXCORIATION) is done.
It is caused by cotton based clothing abrasion and biomodified bacteria.
Sitting back in a chair is all that is needed to grind sharp fibers into the skin of the back which harbor bacteria and parasites and their eggs.
Some of these bacteria were genetically altered to incorporate continuous duty bacteria in clothing that degrade oils and odor. Seems like a good way for this bacteria to degrade skin oils and penetrate the protective layers of the skin also.
So Mr. “way above your league”
self-rightous fuck. whos the one with an ego that needs a ladder to reach his higher self. “not very bright” “cant match wits with anyone”
And for you smilykins congratulations on the new found knowledge of the epidermal layer of the skin. Seems there is alot you dont know that you are finding out. But your inablility to listen with an open mind defeats your abilty to learn more. And while your talking about internal toxins as I think you are referring to impacted colon. Autointoximia.
YOur brilliant. No Doctor or Dermatologist ever talks about diet or impacted colons and the skin problems that originate in the gut.
Its much more profitable for the mainstream medical community to wait until you get colon cancer then put you under a radiation machine for a 100,000 dollars before they will tell you to regularly keep your colon flushed.
Your just constraind to your ineffective treatments of choice by law and NO doctor OR derm will ever tell you to use a colon cleaner program.
Sorry, I use colonix on a regular basis and have for years. That requires 8 glasses of water each day. Im not dehydrated and Im not impacted.
“if they, (morgellons) wanted to get better they would”
YOur an idiot. You may be educated but your still an idiot. Mainstream docs and derms arent even familiar with any of these modified bacteria.
Here this should help you and Tall insecure guy.
University of Dartmouth.
let me know when your done reading so I can give you some more. Alot more before you claim to understand all there is to be understood about disease.
Repost web address.
“Devolopement of Bio active fibers”
For your own good you need to quit obcessing over your recurrent and persistent thoughts about Morgellons. I’m sure it causes you anxiety and distress. These impulses are not imposed from without. They are a product of your own mind. You need to quit fretting over the genetic manipulation of the cotton genome and spend a little time studying obcessive/compulsive disorder.
Anonymous, if you really think you’re helping yourself, by all means, keep displaying your obsessions here, but witnessing your coming unravelled is not a real pleasant thing to keep seeing. It’s entertaining, yes, but it’s not funny for you, I’m sure.
Let me assure you that Smileykins has only a twelfth grade education, so don’t follow any more delusions, anybody, in thinking that I’m an educated person. If you need to know, for the record, I just have a higher than average intelligence quotient, and a ton of common sense. Not enough common sense to avoid responding to you, but more than the average amount.
You’re really in a bad way, Anonymous, and you can’t understand what you read, looking at things that you shouldn’t be, as well as misinterpretting my words, and the words of others. You’re of a very incorrect thinking to assume that I argue with the likes of that. I don’t waste my time, and yes, that comes off as disrespectful, but gee whiz, I’d rather talk to a rock.
We aren’t interested in “expanding our minds” into the direction of making ourselves part of your obsessive notions, contained within the links you’ve provided, any more than you’re open to sound reason.
Chew on that, and swallow it down. We aren’t cold, hard-hearted people. Perhaps we’re frustrated in seeing fellow humans going through this entire mess you’ve found yourselves in, and how it’s destroying you, and your loved ones, but that’s about it. That’s a lot, too, if you only realized it.
You’re a strange and unusual person. I assumed we were all taught the basics of human skin anatomy and functions, in elementary school, right up through high school. You’re very odd, to say the least, referring to my “new found knowledge of the epidermal layer”. That’s a complete and total hoot! You need to get your poor mind over into something that can benefit you, but we all realize that’s a component of your illness and that you can’t help yourself.
But you know, that’s the most undeniably strange thing about you, and other morgie people. You have such a fear and hatred of doctors, and look at all the bizarre directions that your minds take you off running in. What does that do towards helping you with any of your immediate complaints? Answer me that. Can you? Of course you can’t.
Something’s not right there. But I’m not trained and qualified to try to break it down real simple for you to understand.
If you could understand, anything, you and “your people” could be receptive to, and bear in mind, the fact that I used to be among the few who had a highly unusual thing occur to me, as well as did Tall Cotton. We’ve “been there, done that”, if your level of comphrehension can understand that phrase.
We, as well as anyone else that doesn’t support your misunderstandings, have been accused of so many things coming from such an unusual group of misled and misinformed people. I’d thought “help me” really meant “help me”, but no, it doesn’t, I have come to learn.
When there is nothing to hide, one doesn’t behave with such various forms of displayed attacks to protect the truth. Truth is forthcoming, and not part of a negative energy. People who are not lost recognize that.
We’re not stupid enough to think we can break through that mental barrier you all have, and early on, when I began posting on this blog, that was discussed with Michael, under one of the topic headings. All of us know that morgies are a “lost cause” so to speak, and that isn’t the purpose of writing here, for me, nor of anyone else that participates on this blog.
I’m sorry you can’t give it up, but you need to “get real”. If that means treating your mental health, first and foremost, you need to. If you can’t, and you won’t, and none of you can help it, don’t blow off at us, and get mad at anyone that knows that, and say that we all sound like your doctors.
Look to the cause of your problems. You can’t “think right”, to say it as simple as it can be said. Heck, do some reading on mental health.
Now see, my common sense has completely left the building!!! Hahaha.
I think it is fair, though, that if you insist there’s nothing wrong with you mentally, and you choose to attack me with your pathetic display of words, that you should expect something in return. You do want me to look at it that way, I’m sure. So there, I’m taking it from your perspective and not mine.
That’s not fair, is it? I know, but there’s little in life that is fair, and we just grow up and deal with it.
Well if that isnt a maudlin line of crap.
You totally ignored the refference document and once again made your online diagnosis and started yapping about irrelevant things.
Do you want me to plaster more of these documents on your website?
YOu fucking find one word where I said fibers are growing in the body bitch.
Yeah start putting words in my mouth and making assumptions.
Once again jumping the gun with your delusional online diagnosis bullshit that you hand out to everyone here that has a different opinion than you.
I want you to respond to the document I posted.
New rules. Post that simply contain threats in will be deleted.
Okay, so I read Development of Bio-Active Fabrics. It discusses adding bacteria to fabrics to do things like absorb oders, and maintain better waterproofing. They talk about the shape of the fibers that would best support the bacteria. The fibers simply carry useful bacteria around, the bacteria do not create fibers.
You know there are lots of good bacteria
Anonymous, I thank you for making two of my points for me yet again, albeit unknowingly. The points being:
1) There are hundreds of diseases that could account for the symptoms of “Morgellons”.
2) A diagnosis of delusions should not be automatic with Morgellons, the sufferer may have a physical disease with some mistaken beliefs regarding fibers.
Well thank you, Michael. That turns out then, being something I didn’t need to concern myself with in reading anyway, just for your information, Anonymous, because I had already read all about that way back-in-the-day, on the morgie message board. Geesh!
I’ve tried telling some that a lot of clothing contains formaldehyde, and that could very well be a contributing factor to skin problems, as well as chronic fatigue, and chemical sensitivities.
There are some clothing manufacturers that are formaldehyde-free, such as Old Navy, for example, among others. They might want to put forth some of their research looking into that direction, since clothing is in direct contact with their skin.
I seriously doubt they could, though, unfortunately.
I must admit, I looked for a Morgellons pathogen for 3 long years, and I turned every stone I could find. I’ve been down every branch on the tree of life, and I’ve had some pretty wild notions myself. I was going to build a gallows on the white house lawn and hang Mr. Wiggleworm. But I finally realized that the data was flawed, and what a deflating experience it was. But the truth won the battle when the curse felt the Sword. Praise the Lord!
yeah praise the lord.
The BTK serial killer used to say the same thing.
I think you’re more capable of that than me.
Michael, you respectfully stated, “Sure, delusions may be present in some people.”.
Of course, I know none of these people in real life, but can only base what I know of them solely upon the writings of the morgie people who participate in message board discussions.
I see an unmistakable delusive thought process in everyone there, some far worse than others, but it’s present in all victims’ postings that I’ve read.
Everything I wrote when I participated there, was told in hindsight, three years after recovering from my incident, and I tried giving suggestions to their recovery. I was not welcomed, as has been indicated here, lately, and was censored on their message boards. I was much more gentle in my manner of tone, there, and didn’t realize that I needed to continue to watch my step here. But anyway…
Just one, delusive thought for instance, that’s present in quite a few, is in thinking that whatever they have is worse than cancer, worse than AIDS, and in their beliefs that it’s anything rare, at all, to have an illness for which there is no known cause, and no known cure.
That’s certainly not anything unique, but having such a widespread belief that it is, I conclude, is very representative of delusional thinking at play.
Of course, there are many other things to cite, but I think all “morgellons victims” show that they are clearly delusional within the content of their own written words.
I’ve spoken openly with my thoughts on the matter, and have appreciated your providing a place readers of your informative blog can comment.
What I hadn’t anticipated was that morgies were going to come here to try and censor me, due to their outrage, and resistance, in accepting that there are such people in existence that can openly admit to having been ill with delusions in the past.
Now, I have been labeled as a “fraud”, by one, here, and more recently, another says that I “have morgellons”!!!
They can’t be blamed, though. It’s just all a part of what their perception of reality is.
Michael – your comment “You know there are lots of good bacteria”. You wouldn’t be on this earth if it weren’t for bacteria.
Bacteria is smarter than you Michael. Think about IT.
What a terrible descent to witness.
I just can’t stop laughing at you lot!!
You Sick, twisted, individual. How dare this blog site allow material to be written about “a little boy named Drew” and the late “Tavis Wilson” and his mom. LEAVE THESE PEOPLE ALONE!
1111 West 17th Street
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
May 15, 2006
Re: Morgellons Disease
From: Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D., Department of Pharmacology & Physiology
Rhonda Casey, D.O., Department of Pediatrics
Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences
This letter concerns a patient population that manifests a particular set of symptoms we have encountered
with increasing frequency, and that OSU-CHS is actively researching. The condition has been labeled as
Morgellons Disease and it is unclear if this is a single disease or a multi-faceted syndrome. Until recently, most of
these patients have been grouped as a subset of the diagnosis of Delusions of Parasites (delusional parasitosis;
DOP). After obtaining careful patient histories and thorough physical exam, we have determined that Morgellons
patients have several important distinctions ruling out the diagnosis of DOP.
This population of patients frequently exhibit the following symptoms:
• Distinct and poorly healing skin lesions with unusually thick, membranous scarring upon eventual healing.
• Moderate to extreme pruritis at sites of lesions as well as un-erupted skin.
• Microscopic examination of these lesions will most often reveal the presence of unusual fibers, which may be
black, blue or red. These fibers, which many healthcare providers initially thought to be textile
contaminants, are often present in the deep tissue of biopsies obtained from unbroken skin of individuals
with this condition. Careful examination of these fibers further reveals that they are frequently associated
with hair follicles, and are definitely not textile in origin.
• Most of these patients suffer from a host of neurological symptoms which can vary in severity from mild to
severe. These neurological symptoms include peripheral tingling, paresthesias and varying degrees of motor
involvement which appear to progress.
• Intermittent cognitive and behavioral status changes are often observed and also seem to progress with the
severity of disease. This is often referred to as “brain fog” by the patient as they experience a waxing and
waning of this symptom.
• Laboratory findings in these patients are variable, but often reveal eosinophilia and elevated levels of
• Other symptoms of varying severity and frequency have been described, and are included in the attached
Morgellons patients differ from classical, delusional parasitosis patients in several areas. They do not respond to
antipsychotics, and new lesions continue to appear upon complete cessation of manual excoriation.
Due to the sensation of foreign material in their tissue, that has been described as sharp, stinging and/or splinterlike,
the patient may have discovered the fibers prior to seeking medical care, and may bring them to your office for
examination. Please do not assume that the patient’s problem is purely psychological based on this propensity.
Many of these patients may appear skeptical of traditional medical care due to frequent dismissal of their
symptoms in the past. The combination of suffering from a chronic disease with distressful symptoms and no known
cause or cure can cause some patients to appear anxious or agitated.
We encourage you to take the time to carefully interview any patient who may fall into this category, perform
any testing you may deem appropriate, and most importantly treat the patient with compassion and dignity.
Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D. Rhonda Casey, D.O.
Director of Research, Associate Professor of Pediatrics
Morgellons Research Foundation
Assistant Professor of Pharmacology
Oklahoma State University
Center for Health Sciences
1111 West 17th Steet
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
Morgellons Information Line: (877) 599-7999
Personality disorders are patterns of deviant or abnormal behavior that the person doesn’t change even though it causes disruptions with other people in their lives.
It’s not limited to episodes of mental illness, and it’s not caused by drug or alcohol use, head injury, or illness.
There are about a dozen different behavior patterns classified as personality disorders by DSM-IV.
All the personality disorders show up as deviations from normal in one or more of the following:
1. cognition — i.e., perception, thinking, and interpretation of oneself, other people, and events
2. affectivity — i.e., emotional responses (range, intensity, lability, appropriateness)
3. interpersonal functions
Concerning the perverse misunderstandings that morgie people have in the actual of the role of physicians, and of patient responsibility in our own health care, this is a former comment by Anonymous, from May 27th, 2006 at 6:01 pm…
“Its much more profitable for the mainstream medical community to wait until you get colon cancer then put you under a radiation machine for a 100,000 dollars before they will tell you to regularly keep your colon flushed.”
The correct answer is, if you have any unusual symptoms in your bowel movements, tell your doctor. Otherwise, follow the nationally recommended guidelines for colon cancer screenings.
about 20 yrs ago I was living in Arz.A few people plus myself started experencing problems with the feeling of insects crawling thru our bodies,not so much lesions,butsores that looked like little burrows on our skin & itching.There was construction work going on in my neighborhood(freeway was going in)& one of the other girls had just moved into a trailer out in the desert.We were never quite sure what they were or where they came from, but after MANY trips to docs & hosp. lookin up insects in books (we did find a beetle in her car, which bit her)nearly killing ourselves with kwell baths; we tried rubbing menthol on our skin & to our amazement small fly like insects with white wings rolled out of our skin…… specially our feet.we never knew exactly what they were and we never had that problem again.It was a very unexplained,but annoying problem.If it wasn’t for the other people who also had the problem I would’ve thought I was going NUTS!!!! Hopefully those people suffering from Morgellons will find out the source of the problem.It can be a very mind nerving problem.
As Michael is the only one of you who has consistently shown a fairly high level of intelligence, I submit this for his consideration. I do not wish to hear anything more from cotton, nor smiley, as they have nothing more to add to this discussion.
Michael, the following information concerning the genetic manipulations underway has already become “yesterdays technology” as advances in these sciences are progressing so fast one cannot keep up with it all. I offer this paper simply to prove the point that the ability for new and novel type pathogens are already present in the environment at this time, and with a complete lack of oversight and no readily available tests or testing programs in place to detect such events…. Well, add it all up and you will see that not only is morgellons(or whatever the hell you want to call it) a likely reality, (a fact for those whom have it), with other new and never been seen before pathogens emerging in the near future.
Cotton and smiley, if you must reply, please read the entire article first.
“review the relevant findings and, in particular, to point out the
implications, which the researchers themselves are unwilling or unable to
draw. The findings that transgenic DNA has the tendency to break and join in
several places imply that parts or all of it may be more likely than the
plant’s own DNA to jump out of the genome and successfully transfer
horizontally to unrelated species. Horizontal gene transfer, in this
context, means the transfer of the genetic material directly by infection to
the genetic material of unrelated species, in principle to all species
interacting with the GMO: bacteria, fungi, earthworms, nematodes, protozoa,
insects, small mammals and human beings. This process is uncontrollable and
cannot be recalled. The damages done are hence irreversible. Transgenic DNA
has been designed to be invasive and to overcome species barriers; once
released, it will invade different organisms, especially bacteria which are
in all environments, where it will multiply, mutate and recombine.
There are additional findings which suggest an increased potential for the
horizontal spread of transgenic DNA. For example, enzymes that insert the
transgenic DNA into the genome can also help them to jump out again; DNA
released from both dead or live cells can survive without being degraded in
all environments, including the mouth and gut of mammals”
To drive this point home, I would like to add that there isnt a day that goes by with out hearing the term “antibiotic resistance”. Even old, and well known pathogens are emerging as antibiotic resistant. How did this happen? Nature is not that fast with change, and yet these new antibiotic resistent pathogens are being discovered daily it seems.
“The major consequences of the horizontal transfer of transgenic DNA are the
spread of antibiotic resistance marker genes among bacteria and the
generation of new bacteria and new viruses that cause diseases from the many
bacterial and viral genes used. The generation of new viruses could occur by
recombination with live or dormant viruses that we now know to be present in
all genomes, plants and animals included.”
In my opinion, this isn’t a matter of what is possible, or what is likely to happen in the future. It’s a matter of “this” disease not being a real occurrence at “this” time. One can study how and why this so-called disease was invented, and how its nature evolved and one can see that it’s not true. Also, most of the Morgellons believers, who do have other physical ailments, are flaunting their mental disorders for everyone to study.
South. You miss the point. Regardless of exactly how possible it is for something like a new disease to emerge from horizontal gene transfer triggered by introducing genetic mechanisms, the only thing we need to demonstrate that Morgellons is a real disease is some statistical analysis.
Even if we agreed that it were highly likely that new cross-phylum organisms will arise in droves, the problem is to actually show that people are sick in the same way, and that their sickness is not explainable by known illnesses.
Regardless of how possible it is for a novel pathogen to produce fire-proof fibers, you need to demonstrate that these fibers are being produced in the first place.
The task is NOT to show that something is possible, it is to demonstrate that something particular is happening, and to demonstrate it with a degree of statistical confidence.
Southcity, when I first saw you posting on Lymebusters, did you not think you were being followed in your car? You are a man consumed in fear, and it is not a happy thing to witness. You’d gotten over what you’d said you’d contracted from that hotel, or motel, room, right? You never have mentioned who’s idea it was that your girlfriend “caught it” from you, after you took it upon yourself to think that whatever “it” was, had been lying in a state of dormancy. Did she say that you gave it to her, or is that your opinion? No matter where the opinion originated, South, it is not your fault. You’re so very misinformed, and it seems that you take delight in it, although I really doubt that you do. Is it correct, that you’re both doing all right, now, except for living in fear that you’re both carrying something that is dormant for the time being? I wish you could just give in and get treated for anxiety, if nothing else. There is no need for anyone to live like that.
I think that is a big part of all of this: fear. I had a patient a few months back who had spent the night with a local bad girl. He came in seething with anger thinking he had contracted HSV (herpes). So, the doc takes a look and notices one large knot at the base of his member.
He was very angry and afraid until the doctor told him it wasn’t herpes. A spider had gotten into his pants and bit him while he was asleep. He still didn’t believe it and was raging at this woman.
Needless to say, he never came back so the sore went away on it’s own. The moral of the story is not to panic. Think through the options and don’t be afraid to accept good news. It may not be the worst possible diagnosis.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to give the wrong impression. Southcity’s situation had nothing to do anything like that. Here is a link to his site. Tam-Tam is somebody you would have done way better without ever having encountered, South. I know that you, and his followers, don’t see it that way, though.
Smiley As I had said, you are not qualified to pass any diagnosis concerning me or anyone else for that matter, smiley and I did not ask for it. Same applies to you tall cotton.
Michael, Whether or not this originated with CAmV is not the point, what I am stating is that this type of situation that has happened, and a novel synthetic organism has become commensal, albeit with a large amount of discomfort. This is not a simple or average or everyday claim, and thus warrants investigation. And smiley, after making such a claim with obviously huge ramifications if proven true, honestly, i wouldnt be able to sleep very well if in fact, I have not been investigated to one extreme or another.
So with the recent emergence of illnesses such as sars, which came out of nowhere, it seems likely this type of random recombination is actively occuring. With this in mind, how can you remain so steadfast in your opinion? There is some things that should not be played with and for man to fool with the balance of nature and all `its wisdom, is a very foolish thing to do, yet this is what appears to be the case with this novel pathogen expressing such bizzare type symptoms.
Oh now, for crying out loud. I don’t have any delusions that I’m a doctor and I never have diagnosed people, South. All that I wish you were able to do, for your sake, is to turn off worrying about things on such a large scale and gear down to simpler things to be able to enjoy your life better.
South, so, you claim ” a novel synthetic organism has become commensal, albeit with a large amount of discomfort.”, and that since this is an unusual claim, it deserves investigation?
Sure, in the meta-universe this is possible, albeit unlikely. However, LOTS of things are possible, should we investigate all of them?
I claim that certain brands of blue LEDs operate on a near-visual frequency that interferes with the optical neural pathway and increases the possibility of the development of autism in infants.
This is not a simple or average or everyday claim, and thus warrants investigation.
Have you noticed the recent rise in levels of autism over the past decade has coincided with the rise in use of blue LEDs? Also autism is highest in the tech-happy silicon valley, home of many early-adopters, who are more likely to have blue LEDs on their high tech equipment.
Perhaps we should demand the CDC investigate?
Hmm. I see that someone knows to use the right bait.
But you know, that’s the most undeniably strange thing about you, and other morgie people. You have such a fear and hatred of doctors, and look at all the bizarre directions that your minds take you off running in. What does that do towards helping you with any of your immediate complaints? Answer me that. Can you? Of course you can’t.Something’s not right there. But I’m not trained and qualified to try to break it down real simple for you to understand. Smileykins
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What a self righteous, caustic little prick you are, Smallykins. I bet you love to hear yourself talk, too, but you’re also short on friends, right? Your posts reek of misery and pain, so in my opinion, and in the spirit of your ongoing, spiteful suggestions to fellow posters, I highly recommend you seek professional help dealing with your own chronic pain and disabling health problems. Could be that under all that nastiness and bitter criticism, resides a kind, sensitive, non-agressive man who remembers what it feels like to be a friend–to be a man who is dearly loved and respected.
You stupid shit, I’m a petite blonde female, tired of what this insanity is doing to people, like you.
You’re really a dumbass. Do you know that? After you’ve helped one tenth of the Morgies that Smileykins has helped, come back and tell us what you just said, if you can. If you want to appear that you have at least 2 brain cells firing across your dead synapse, you might first learn whether Smileykins is a male of female. What an ignoramus you are.
You might first learn whether Smileykins is a male of female. Tallcotton.
Male, female, trans, bi, straight, whatever. Makes not one bit of difference to me. I couldn’t care less, and my opinion remains unchanged. He/She needs help, period. To be honest, though, you and Smileykins are very entertaining–good for a laugh, you know?
October 14th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
I’m a petite blonde female
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Of course you are, dear. Congratulations.
You couldn’t care less? Try to get real, and be genuine, June. Among your other mistakes, you called me a prick, and then you pondered about whether I’m a man who’s ever reminisced about some other man I used to be. What’s really on your mind, June?
Smileykins is dearly loved and respected, but she didn’t come here to this cuckoo’s nest looking for love.
Morgies never care whether or not they have their facts straight before they open their mouths. JuneP, you’re a prime example.
TC: Smileykins is dearly loved and respected, but she didn’t come here to this cuckoo’s nest looking for love.
Me: So where did she/he find it?
Me: Cuckoo’s nest, huh? Well, that explains everything,TC. It’s a well known fact,that one cuckoo can always sniff out another cuckoo. Cuckoos don’t have noses, of course, but you know what I mean.
PS: TC, you and Smileybins will be pleased to hear that I’ll not be back til I need another good laugh.
Until then, you two take care, y’hear?
You’re the laugh, silly!!
How come you’re the only one laughing TC because I don’t find any of this funny.
So the TC what do say now, Smiley admits she has Morgellons and has had this since birth, where do you stand?
Tallcotton – Do YOU have Morgellons?
Yes or No would be fine thanks.
I want answers, I have given everything on this blog, now step forward wise guy
Whoever wrote this garbage has my permission to eat crow..
Ok then TC – don’t worry about it. Come on sing with me…. “its my life”
Sorry TC here are the words so you can sing with me!
It’s my life take it or leave it
Set me free what’s that crap papa-knew-it-all
I got my own life you got your own life
Live your life and set me free
Mind your business and leave my business
You know everything papa-knew-it-all
Very little knowledge is dangerous
Stop bugging me stop bothering me
Stop bugging me stop forcing me
Stop fighting me stop yelling me
It’s my life
It’s my life it’s my life my worries
It’s my life it’s my life my problems
It’s my life it’s my life my worries
It’s my life it’s my life my problems
It’s my life do you understand
I live the way I want to live
I make decisions day and night
Show me signs and good examples
Stop telling me how to run your business
Take a trip to east and west
You find that you don’t know anything
Every’s getting tired of you
Sometimes you have to look and listen
You can even learn from me
Little knowledge is dangerous
It’s my life
It’s my life set me free
So you bed so you lie
What you see is what you get
Listen to people and sort things out
Things I do I do them no more
Things I say I say them no more
Changes come once in life
Stop bugging me stop bothering me
Stop bugging me stop forcing me
Stop fighting me stop yelling me
Stop telling me stop seeing me
It’s my life.
It’s my life(x4)
It’s my life…Stop bugging me stop bothering me
It’s my life…Stop forcing me stop yelling at me
It’s my life…it’s my life(x2)
It’s my life…Stop bugging me stop bothering me
It’s my life…Stop
If you have already been bombarded with both of these copy and paste video reports, my apologies.
Seen it thanks June. Top link doesn’t work.
The picture at the tope of the page, I started with little white lumps on the tops of my arms when I was kid, and other places too. I used to call them soap spots.
A girl in primary school started picking at my arm one day in class. I was so upset with her. She kept showing me saying “look what is coming out of your arm all white stuff”. I had not noticed these white lumps ever.
I wish she never showed me.
I can recall picking those lumps whenever I got upset as a kid, it flaired up and down like that my entire life, and here I am now.
Please don’t think I am making a joke here but that girl in school was French I think, or her family was, I used to go play there, and we sat in French class together in Form 1 at high school.
Hey guys, it is strange that all the rhetoric exists about delusional and yet the same symptoms keep occurring.
When many people across the country have the same symptoms, white specks, spots that may or may not itch, the feeling that something is hoping in the dark, the fact that those (this one is key) who do not have time to wash clothes, due to heavy work or clothing loss, have extensive outbreaks,, another common symptom is brittle hair folicules, as this infestation also seems to find hair origins more delictable,,, is not a matter of the mind. Some patients even exhibit reduction in skin as pockets of deep consumption by the infestation…
It would seem that an intense study would occur of the patients to really find out what is going on and how the fiber like items occur…
Walmart is up 68% in Lice type prevention products in the last decade, this is “prima facie” in total.
Truth can only be assaulted. It cannot be altered, it is an atomic axiom!
Come on now, let’s try and steer it back up onto the freeway of life, and get it up out of the ditch. The rest of us, living in the real world, of which all you patients are outnumbered by, deals in facts. There is “no rhetoric in existance about delusions” having been repeatedly diagnosed in this matter of “morgellons disease” patients. Believing in it is proof enough. It’s no secret that patients don’t want to treat that illness too. Now, if you like playing a game at the expense of others, that’s one matter. If you’re stricken ill by poor physical health and it’s screwed with your mind, it’s criminal that this mess has further influenced you. If you’re mentally ill to begin with, and this lie has caused you to worsen, that is beyond criminal. I’ve already used the word criminal twice, golly, sorry about that.
A lot of the Morgies share “some” of the same symptoms. They DO NOT have the same symptoms. A whole lot of different health problems can cause all of these symptoms. And the Morgies do have a wide variety of different health problems. The most common symptom among them is delusions. In many cases, a real physical disorder led to these delusions. Morgies need to treat the conditions they were diagnosed with.
Itching and crawling sensations can be caused by several different things. Anyone that doesn’t wash their clothes, regardless of their reason, is going to have a problem with their skin. Fibers are everywhere. They’re usually no big deal. Prima facie is evidence considered to prove a particular point, “only” if it is not rebutted. There’s nothing about Morgellons being an emerging infectious disease that cannot be rebutted with evidence that is much more logical.
Morgies are being exploited by a lot of “so-called” professionals. Each of these researchers/doctors are “proving” that Morgellons is caused by something different. It just depends on what their agenda is. On will claim that the cause is S. maltophilia, another will say that it’s dental sealants, stealth viruses, Borrelia burgdorferi, Agrobacterium, or nano machines. They each have their own agenda, and they are exploiting a very vulnerable group of people.
They’ve all got agendas and are exploiting vulnerable people, all right. But, for those with factitious disorders, what a dream come true Mary Leitao gave to all of them. I feel so sorry for the ones with nervous disorders who feel they can use this to blame it on, deluding themselves into thinking that non-delusional people, even doctors, could ever fall for it. I’ve read that when people like that really are in need of medical attention, due to their reputation of doctor and hospital hopping, they put themselves at risk of not receiving it. Some even inject themselves with insulin to make themselves sick. Since there are patients like that who have latched onto “morgellons disease”, imagine them going into doctors and saying that they think they have it, and it results in their getting diagnosed as DOP. I bet they hit the ceiling sometimes.
I feel that the researchers, and the quacks who advertise for patients who have diagnosed themselves with this fake disease, who’ll then, test, and treat them for it, are the scum of the earth. The poor patients with actual DOP, so deluded from their serious physical conditions that have caused it, risking having their lives being shortened due to heart attacks, strokes, organ failure, cancer, etc., are so very sad to know about. So are the ones, well, you know, the most helpless ones of all, in and out of institutions, as well as homeless ones, plus alcoholics, and drug addicts. I sure hope the CDC can do something, but we can’t take a step backwards, plus, our states already have laws.