The deeper Morgellonites are pushing this story

(http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2006/04/21/eline/links/20060421elin004.html)

The implication being that many doctors and psychiatrist are in league with the pharmacutical industry – and have a vested interest in diagnosing things as psyciatric disorders so that Big Pharma can sell more psychopharmalogical drugs.

This is about as likely as the clothing manufacturers being in cahoots with the dry-cleaning cartels by labeling their garments “dry-clean only”, when you know perfectly well they’ll do just fine in the laundry.

The question to ask (and I’m borrowing here, Seinfelt I believe) is “how would that even work?”

When your doctor suggests perhaps a component of your disorder is mental, then does he get some kind of kickback from Big P? How much might that be? How does that money get to him?

Doctors get paid a lot already. What portion of their income comes from these psych-referral kickbacks?

How does the accounting work? Follow the money. In all the decades of auditing of various health industries – has there been one shred of evidence of such a kickback scheme?

It must be more subtle – the Doctors get paid by insurance companies that get paid by the consumers, who get high premiums because the price of psych drugs is so high. Doctors keep over-prescribing them, so everyone makes money.

Consider though, how would that even work? The individual doctor will get paid regardless. If he writes needless prescriptions, he does not get paid more. He’s taking a risk of getting caught. So it’s better for the individual doctor to get paid as normal, and let others take the risk.

So there HAS to be a kickback scheme involved.

But nobody has ever produced one shred of evidence of any financial irregularities.

And don’t point at that Reuters story above – read it first, it explains why they have “links”. Their links are most tenuous, and quite innocent looking. Heck, I have links just because I own share in SPY, which includes some pharma companies. Most of you dear readers, if you have a 401K, or other retirement account, will have some shares in a mutual fund that also invest in Pharma. Are you involved?

How would that even work?

36 Responses to “The Mental Health Pharma-conspiracy”

  1. Never worked for a physician before? Doctors getting kickbacks for pushing those little “sample” packs of drugs, for example, is the norm.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/01/25/new_curbs_urged_on_doctor_perks/

  2. Sorry, here’s that same article:

    http://tinyurl.com/rhsse

  3. Hope you are happy,

    pinging us off one by one.

    your reward is certainly in heaven.

  4. Kickbacks for free samples? I see only vague intimations of such things in the article – no convictions mentioned.

    Sure you’ll find a minor degree of corruption in any industry – but people seem to be suggesting that it’s so prevelant that a Doctor will be VERY LIKELY to diagnose you incorrectly as he’ll get more money because of this incorrect diagnosis. Specifically they get more moeny by diagnosing mental illness than diagnosing physical illness.

    What degree of accusation are you making here? Can you be specific?

  5. “Pinging you off”? What are you talking about? What’s heaven got to do with anything?

  6. And – with kickbacks for free samples – how would that even work? If you “worked for a physician”, then give a few examples of what went on.

  7. Morgellons, in the minds of most morgellonites posting on message boards they are paranoid about everything, including the food and clothing industry.

    They actually think they’re some sort of sacrificial guinea pigs being used in the ultimate conspiracy to
    depopulate the human race.

    They’re not paranoid, obsessive, or delusional. You can really tell they’re
    more evolved than the rest of the populace. If there’s any doubt of that, they’re always repeating how highly intelligent they are, so pay no attention to your discernment when reading.

    Oh, about that doctor/pharmaceutical business of kickbacks and bribes, Dunno how legit this “Corruption Online Research & Information System” site is

    http://tinyurl.com/l7p4p

    In the meantime, keep educating, and beware Chinese cotton.

  8. Ah,,,,,,

    the silkworm……..

    NWO is great isn’t it?

    Know anything about the 4th dimension?

  9. I wonder what would happen if you combined Chinese cotton with French bottled water.

    My, the possible avenues of research are endless. Thanks for the pointer.

  10. Which fourth dimension?

  11. Chinese Cotton and French Bottle Water? I fank that gitcha Dr. Schwartz Walking Q-tips.

  12. come on, i mean really, if readers 0f this site can not see through this sites obvious industry ties and efforts made to “cover their ass”, then stick a fork in us, because we are well done. Case in point. Michael states:

    “The implication being that many doctors and psychiatrist are in league with the pharmacutical industry – and have a vested interest in diagnosing things as psyciatric disorders so that Big Pharma can sell more psychopharmalogical drugs.

    This is about as likely as the clothing manufacturers being in cahoots with the dry-cleaning cartels by labeling their garments “dry-clean only”, when you know perfectly well they’ll do just fine in the laundry.

    The question to ask (and I’m borrowing here, Seinfelt I believe) is “how would that even work?”

    I must admit, this sites main posters’ levels of conviction are impressive, but, I personally believe that conviction is a shortcut to ignorance. It is nice to have ones beliefs verified, so, forf this, I thank you.

    Well Michael, here is your answer. Unless of course medical news today is not up to your standards of journalism. You guys really are quite entertaining.

    Many Authors Of Mental Health Diagnosis Guidelines Have Financial Ties To Drug Makers, Study Says.

    “The majority of psychiatrists who worked on the most recent edition of the American Psychiatric Association’s widely influential diagnostic manual had financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry before, during or after the manual was published, according to a study published Thursday in Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics, the New York Times reports. Researchers from Tufts University and the University of Massachusetts studied financial records and conflict-of-interest statements in medical journals from 1989 to 2004. They found that 95 of 170 psychiatrists who worked on the 1994 edition — the most recent — of APA’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual had financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry during that period (Carey, New York Times, 4/20).”

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=42010

    Southcity

  13. South,

    I guess you are saying that doctors misdiagnosing Morgies because of their special interests. Have you not observed any of thes people? Can you honestly not see their insanity? Let’s get real. The people are nuts.

    Tall Cotton

  14. Why’d ya fall for Tam-Tam, South?

  15. TC- your complete and utter lack of empathy speaks volumes as to the sort of person you are. Remember that the next time someone call you an asshole.

    Smiley,
    Michael can explain to you exactly what meta data is. All images and hd video contained in the source DVD he initially provided me of his presentation, contains meta data concerning exactly what equipment was used to make it, as well much more detailed info about said equipment.

    Do I seem to be the type of person that would just jump on a bandwagon without any verification as to the reality of their findings? Yes i said they, and yes this issue is a whole hell of a lot bigger then most imagine. In time the names of these institutions will become known, but as i have stated, this is a military issue and existing agreements as such prevents the direct disclosure of said institutes and the names of those working there.

    Public reactions, as witnessed by sites like this one, remain largely unpredictable concerning this type of disclosure. This is the reasoning for the methods used to inform the public about this agent. Whether or not this is the best way to accomplish this task remains to be seen, however because this is spreading fairly quickly now, it will only continue to gain priority in the public consciousness.

    Ok, i have answered your question, perhaps you can answer one of mine. Can you explain to me the reasons behind yours, as well TC’s complete and total obsession displayed by your efforts on this website and the entire issue in general?

    The shear amount of efforts witnessed on all three of your parts is epic, and in truth has become somewhat frightening to witness, at least it is without logical reasons as to why.

    You guys truly are spending 24/7, eating, breathing, dreaming, and/or otherwise thinking about this issue. Have you considered that perhaps it is in fact the three of you that is in obvious need of some mental help? Pending your reply, it currently appears that all three of you are suffering from a serious case of obsessive compulsive disorder among other things. In what, or how do you find the motivation behind your drive and efforts concerning this issue?

  16. Southcity, here’s a nice simple scientific test you can do:

    Come back here in a year, and see if you have any more evidence.

    You know you’ve been harping the same conspiracy nonsense for years. Nothing has happened. Nothing will happen. You just misinterpret facts to fit your world view.

    Facts should form your world view, not the other way around.

    You come back, one year, nothing will have changed.

    Alternatively, compare your evidence now to your evidence a year ago. What’s new?

  17. TC- your complete and utter lack of empathy speaks volumes as to the sort of person you are. Remember that the next time someone call you an asshole.

    One thing is going to help the Morgies, and that is the “truth”. Do I know the truth. Yes, I do. You think that I lack empathy because you can’t grasp my reason for being here, and that is, to help ungrateful morons like you. The sooner you get help for your schizophrenia, the sooner you will be able to grasp the truth. You need mental help. If you think that I am hard hearted for steering you in the right direction, then so be it. What you think I am, and who you think I am, has no bearing whatsoever on reality. No matter how many times you come back, I’m going to tell you that you are mentally ill, until you take it serious, and get the help that you need. I don’t care what you think of me. I know who I am.

    Tall Cotton

  18. South,

    Although I do try to help the hardcore Morgies, and I do it despite their ingratitude, my main objective is to help people that are yet undecided about Morgellons. I hope to counter some of the lies that are being spread by Morgellons Believers. I know that there isn’t much chance of changing the mind of anyone that is suffering from DOP. In cases where there is an underlying physical illness, it can be done. That is, if the illness is treated. In other cases there are imbalances in the chemistry in the brain, or other neuropsychiatric problems. Morgies need to listen to their doctors and follow their instructions.

    Tall Cotton

  19. South, I am sure that you really believe you’re justifying something to me, but all I have asked are simple things from you. They’ve been very basic, very easy to answer, questions, that I’ve asked numerous times, throughout your visits here. Communication is a two-way street that fosters understanding, and your inability to respond, after opening the door, numerous times, helps illustrate your suffering. That is just the way it is for most believers in “morgellons disease”.

    We’re not offended by name calling and labels, South. We don’t interfere with trying to talk morgie people out of their delusions. You’re here, on a debunking blog, though. I appreciate it, and I choose to believe that you, and other believers in “morgellons disease” wouldn’t be if you weren’t trying hard to understand what has happened to you. I know better, but, regardless, you’re not my intended audience.

    I don’t believe you could handle the truth of why I seem obsessed with this matter, and driven to want people to get a grip on reality, but, rest assured, that when someone brings falsehoods here, Smileykins is going to repeat herself, and repeat herself. People who dart in and out of here, obviously unfamiliar with this blog, apparently don’t look around enough to see how much things have already been said.

    I’m sorry you don’t like it. I don’t like the fear and the lies you promote, either, and I despise “morgellons disease” all the way to hell.

  20. 1 year perhaps you are right. 5 yrs from now, this will be highly unlikely.

    and, you did not answer my questions.

  21. “Do I seem to be the type of person that would just jump on a bandwagon without any verification as to the reality of their findings?”

    Is this from the person who tried to describe bacterial with the prefix “myco-”, and then refused to admit they were making “science word soup” to try to sound informed?

    “Can you explain to me the reasons behind yours…total obsession displayed by your efforts on this website and the entire issue in general?”

    It’s an interesting hobby. It’s also the hobby of the New England Skeptical Society. Have you considered calling them? http://www.ness.org.

    “You guys truly are spending 24/7, eating, breathing, dreaming, and/or otherwise thinking about this issue.”

    Your comment is a gross overgeneralization to tease people off topic to avoid the true issues at hand.

  22. Upon review, this evening, I realized I need to practice what I preach, but I think I may have covered all your questions, South. You’re probably not familiar with TC and me, because we’d left lymebusters around the time you arrived there, or so it seemed, to me, in the fall of ’05. You haven’t understood us, after misinterpreting our blog summaries. You haven’t understood our comments here. You’ve made things up about us.

    There are only so many ways to say something, but I’ll try to make it simple. We’d both had DOP, due to two different underlying organic causes. We’d both almost died. Neither of us are fond of illness rendering people unable to think, independently, and reason things out, for themselves. Neither of us are fond of people taking advantage of that. There is nothing good about having an illness that causes people to think they’re smarter than doctors. There is no reason to fear us, and if you could apply logic, you would know that.

    South, depression happens to be a mental illness that I was diagnosed with, about fifteen years ago, and I treated it, successfully. After I became physically disabled, it progressed into, what went into my medical records as, being a vegetative state of clinical depression. I was resistant to medication, and it was a grueling effort for me to drive to appointments every couple of weeks, for years, to keep on trying different adjustments in a variety of antidepressants. Do I still have depression? Well, of course I do. I can’t take medication for it, but I am lucky, no, I am blessed, that I understand myself, I have faith in a power higher than me, my Heavenly Father, and we handle it, same as everything, every day. I don’t have obsessive-compulsive disorder. I do have attention deficit disorder, and I don’t take anything for it, either. Good mental health is something all people need. It is not a mark of weakness when our brains get ill, and only a fool would dare to think that. When bad thoughts dominate a person to the point of interfering with their capacity to enjoy life, that is a serious problem that needs the help of a professional.

    South, if you could only try to entertain something, as well as anyone else who might be reading this and thinking that they have “morgellons disease”. Can you acknowledge how what MG, TC and I, say is so far out of the scope of your ability to grasp and identify with? Everything we say is simple, and Michael has painstakingly demonstrated and broken “morgellons disease” completely down for everyone. Having said that, what I’d like for you all to “attempt” considering is:

    If you felt ignored, discounted, or invalidated, in any way, by general practitioners or dermatologists, and thought that they were too abrupt, and far too cut & dry, with their diagnosis of DOP, it was because they knew that you have a serious disorder that has to be treated in a straightforward manner. If they’d tried to explain anything to you, they would be there until the end of time, and you would not change your mind and understand anything they were saying. Hence the prescription and/or referral to a mental health expert. They would help you work through it, if any of you would open up and be honest with what you’re witnessing. Many of you probably have various underlying physical health problems that you cannot attend to until your incorrect thinking is cleared up. I know that any ache or pain makes you think it is linked to “morgellons disease”. Well, it isn’t. What do you think makes your hands ache, South?

    Be Brave Enough To Read This

    Morgie people think we dislike them, and you take our speaking out against a dangerous false belief as though it is a personal attack on you. Each one of you is an individual, but you are the ones who are unaware of it. This thing is harming you, and you geniunely can’t realize how much. We care about you all. We hate “morgellons disease”. Don’t you?

    (I know, shut up, Smellycan.)

  23. There’s more to being a scientist than putting on a white smock and repeating some big words that don’t even make a sentence.

    Tall Cotton

  24. Again, you have all avoided my questions. and SBD, you have me confused with someone else.

  25. Tall,

    You’re absolutely right. There’s also getting big fat paychecks from “the government”!

  26. South asked…

    Do I seem to be the type of person that would just jump on a bandwagon without any verification as to the reality of their findings?

    South, it’s impossible for you to have “verification” of the lies you and Tam-Tam are spreading. So, yes, you are that type of person.

    Tall Cotton

  27. again, ask Michael to explain what meta data is, and the types of information it can contain.

  28. Kath.., I mean smiley, do you really consider that an answer?

  29. So the metadata says TamTam’s videos were produced on expensive equipment? This is evidence of what? That TamTam knows a film student who goes to a college that has expensive equipment? That he’s a janitor at said college? South, what we need here is details of physical evidence, not intimations of prosperity or professionalism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metadata

    What exactly is the verifiable evidence that supports your conspiracy theory?

  30. All right, I’m sorry for not knowing what I overlooked answering for you, South. As odd as this is, point it out, and I’ll gladly answer you, again, to the best of my ability. Some of the past, simple, questions I’ve asked of you, after you’d come here and opened the door for discussion, were things along the lines of….

    1. Do you know that psoriasis patients go to bed in clean sheets, and often wake up to a bed full of shed skin cells the next morning?
    2. Who’d thought that you’d given what you call “a dormant infection” to your girl friend, you or her?
    3. Did you consider that she could have developed a reaction to a contact allergen and try detecting, and eliminating, the source?
    4. Why have you both believed that after she improved, same as you had, that you both continue to carry around something lying in a state of dormancy?
    5. What do you have that causes pain and difficulty in your fingers/hands?
    6. Last, but not least, why have you gone to such extremes as to produce crossinglines.net, and going on to lymebusters’ message board, reporting that you were being followed, and direct everyone to your site, introducing them to Tam-tam?

    I know what meta data is, but, like Michael said, that didn’t explain anything to me, as to why ya fell for Tam-tam. I’d like to know the simple things I have previously asked, and…..

    The Not So Great News

    A person affiliated with a university and hospital staff laboratory in Europe contacted me last October after they had viewed my old website, Here is what they said. For all communications with them follow this link

    I want to understand, South. That’s all. Re-ask me whatever I missed, too.

  31. Oh, maybe this was it?

    Do I seem to be the type of person that would just jump on a bandwagon without any verification as to the reality of their findings?

    My answer: No, South. I see you as much more of a leader, than a follower.

  32. I don’t want to get involved in this particular discussion, but I would like to say that “conspiracy theories” are extremely dangerous to anyone who is ill, particularly reading about them on the internet.

    Southcity I do not know you, or do I know Tam Tam. I found the superbug video very bizarre, and since I do not have a “medical degree” it really makes no sense to me. And I think that alone is the great concern. The superbug video is very frightening to a lay person like myself.

    Some real proof Southcity and Tam Tam would be good, I’m sorry but a website and a video alone is not proof enough for me.

  33. Southcity, you’re acting like a spoiled child who is not getting their way. Instead of holding up and participating in a legitimate debate, and use critical thinking skills, you stoop to threatening the revelation of a person’s identity. How dare you? Do you have no respect for anyone, much less yourself? You not only threaten to jeopardize a person’s privacy and compromise their safety, but to expose yourself as a person who would engage in such a behavior. It’s just spineless, pathetic, and creepy.

  34. 6. Last, but not least, why have you gone to such extremes as to produce crossinglines.net, and going on to lymebusters’ message board, reporting that you were being followed, and direct everyone to your site, introducing them to Tam-tam?

    Good question. From my experience both roads lead to no where.

  35. call me what you like,but i am on to all of you, things are not always as they appear, hmmm. But the fact that none of you have answered, in any way which could be considered a credible reason or reasons, why all of you obsess as you do. If you are all healthy, then by all means, get a life and enjoy it, but to hope people believe that you do this as a “hobby” is completely ludicrous. This is either a lie, or is proof positive that you are in need of some serious mental help as that reason would be considered by most to be pathetic in every meaning of the word. But between us, I would like to add that this is a fairly crappy task you were given, and for that, i almost feel sorry for you.

  36. Thank you. This liar who calls himself South City is not revealing my name. I’m not Kathy, Kathryn, or anything close to that. Bear in mind, he was on here several months back saying he was tracing our identities. When he showed back up, he lied, as usual, and said that he not only knew who TC & I are, but that he had gotten a history of all of our past, as well as our present, employers. We don’t work, and we are both disabled. I’ve only had ONE employer in my entire life. You’re on the highway to hell, man. The highway to hell, and lovin’ every minute of it. How much are they paying you to round people up for them, anyway?

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