Sep 142006
 

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
- George Santayana, The Life of Reason

Have you seen it before? Or have you seen the same problem in a slightly different form?
- G. Pólya, How to Solve It.

 

Is Morgellons a real disease? Are over 5000 people affected by a common causative agent that causes fibers to appear in the skin, along with itching, lesions and symptoms that match those of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Fibromyalgia?

That seems like a difficult problem to answer. If you can’t immediately answer it, then take the advice of Polya, and ask “have you seen the same problem in a slightly different form?”.

And yes, we have. Right in the question actually, we have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and Fibromyalgia. Two syndromes with a long list of symptoms, nothing detectably wrong with the patient, and contested causation. Is Morgellons simply CFS with itching and scratching?

But let’s take Polya’s advice and then add in some Santayana. Has the same problem arisen in the past? It sounds like we would need to look at the history of medicine. Have there been cases where thousands of people though they had a specific novel illness, but that illness turned out to be nothing new?

First let me pause for a second to say, again, that I think people are really sick. They have real symptoms, they may have a variety of problems, they need treatments. What is under debate here is if people all have the same illness, and if “Morgellons” is a new disease.

Back to the past. Morgellons is a complex subject, but the prevailing theory is that there is a degree of psychosomatic illnesses mixed in with real illnesses, and greatly compounded by mass hysteria, fed mostly by the media coverage during 2006.

To understand how this might be the case, we need to look at similar events in history. There are a lot of them, and I cannot do justice to them all, but others have done the work for me, so I shall give you pointers, if you are interested.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=110940&ran=130308

“People don’t need the Internet as long as they’ve got the media,” said Edward Shorter, a professor of psychiatry and the history of medicine at the University of Toronto. Once the media reports come out about a new possible disease, even if it’s not real, some people see it, “and they say, ‘That’s what I’ve got. That’s my disease,’” Shorter said.

According to Shorter, mass hysteria has taken many forms:

UTERUS AILMENT: The word hysteria is derived from Greek, meaning “wandering of the uterus.” In the 19th century, many people thought a malfunctioning uterus led to any number of symptoms, including pain, paralysis or amnesia. Sigmund Freud and other early psychologists considered these symptoms psychological.

TEETH: At the beginning of the 20th century, there was a vogue for pulling out all of one’s teeth, “on the grounds that you could be suffering from autointoxication, from infected root canals.”

COLON: Around the time of the first World War, there was a trend of removing much of the large colon “on the grounds that your feces were leaking out of your colon and poisoning the rest of your body.”

http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/21/edward_shorter.html

In the early 1800s, for example, doctors talked about “spinal irritation,” believing that when a certain point along the spine was pressed or hurt, it created peripheral pains and other motor (muscular) system problems. Consequently, doctors increasingly began seeing patients whose problems conveniently fitted the diagnosis. These patients–usually women–complained of temporary blindness, paralysis, and other ills. Some couldn’t walk, others couldn’t move their arms, many remained paralyzed for months in bed. Doctors would come across patients so catatonic that it was impossible to tell whether they were alive. Unable to detect pulses or respiration, doctors found that the only sure sign of death was when the body emitted a “cadaverous smell.”

Some of these patients no doubt had undiagnosed organic diseases. But Shorter convincingly argues that the majority of cases were psychosomatic.

It’s a funny thing: by the early 1900s, these symptoms had virtually disappeared. Medicine had started to shift away from the spine to the brain. Also, the social position of women improved. Whereas Victorian era mores had rendered women immobile–unable to have careers or lives of their own–psychogenic paralyses were, Shorter contends, “a metaphorical way for women to convey their dysphoria.” Once women won greater freedom, these kinds of symptoms became obsolete.

Psychosomatic symptoms didn’t disappear, however — they simply changed with the times. In case after case, from somnabulism to neurasthenia to “Yuppie flu,” we see how medical and cultural trends alternately reinforce and erode particular psychosomatic symptoms. Shorter argues that this is because patients don’t want to be seen as crazy and they therefore unconsciously or semiconsciously exhibit the “right” symptoms.

Hystories, by Elaine Showalter, Columbia University Press, is a good book on the subject:

Mass Hysteria has been around for centuries. In Extraordinary Popular delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841), Charles Mackay, a London journalist, described what he called “moral epidemics,” including tulipomania and witchcraft. One hundred fifty years later, Mackay’s book still has relevance. As Simon Wessely, a senior lecturer in pyschological medicine at Kings College School of Medicine in London, explains, “All that has changed is the precise nature for false explanation. In previous times mass hysteria would be blamed on demons, spiritism and diabolic possessions. Nowadays we are oppressed by equally invisible gases, viruses and toxins

A quote within the above mentioned Extraordinary Popular delusions and the Madness of Crowds is of twisted relevance. Back in the late 1700s, the use of microscopes was causing problems:

Oh that I had remained in that happy state of ignorance wherein you first found me! Yet will I confess that, as my knowledge increased, so did my pleasure, until I beheld the last wonders of the microscope; from that moment I have been tormented by doubt and perplexed by mystery: my mind, overwhelmed by chaotic confusion, knows not where to rest, nor how to extricate itself from such a maze. I am miserable, and must continue to be so, until I enter on another stage of existence.

Does that remind you of anyone?

Morgellons is nothing new. Similar diseases, plagues and demonic possessions have sprung up and spread through the populace since the start of human history. If it follows the path of history, Morgellons will fade away (like Epstein-Barr flavored CFS), and be replaced by something new. You can’t stop it, but we can at least be aware that these things happen, and we can try to mitigate their ill effects by providing some perspective.

  610 Responses to “Hystorical Context”

  1. Interested parties also need to be familiar with Neurasthenia

    http://www.amazon.com/American-Nervousness-1903-Anecdotal-History/dp/0801425816

    Hysteria, insomnia, hypochondria, asthma, skin rashes, hay fever, premature baldness, inebriety, nervous exhaustion, brain-collapse–all were symptoms of neurasthenia, the bizarre psychophysiological illness that plagued America’s intellectual and economic elite around the turn of the century.

    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/179/6/550

    The term neurasthenia was introduced by George Beard in 1869 (Beard, 1869). Although it was recognised from its inception that neurasthenia was associated with a heterogeneous symptom cluster, the core features were held to be excessive physical and mental fatigue and muscle weakness. Common mental symptoms were insomnia, lack of concentration, depression, fears and irritability (Gosling, 1987). It spread rapidly and by the turn of the century was being described as “the fashionable disease” (Chricton Miller, 1920).

  2. Bravo!! I applaud your excellence, as always, and that you’ve prefaced the above comment. A lot of the people I am familiar with, who believe that they have “morgellons disease” quite sadly, are delusional. I, myself, had been for that two month span, during a period of illness, a few years back. I wasn’t part of a group, though, and I needed to find real, meaningful, answers “for myself”, and, so, I recovered quickly. If they all only could, how wonderful it would be.

  3. Thanks, so much, too, MG, for always providing such great further reading resources, as part of your good work. Upon looking into more on neurasthenia, I came across the prescribed recommended treatment they’d had for it. It’s just as relevant now, of course, as it was back then. Look at this excerpt, concerning skin.

    Next it is in order to secure free elimination by the skin, by the kidneys, and by the bowels. The skin can be stimulated very readily, of course, by a liberal use of baths and by simple rubbing. Baths, however, if used too freely, may exaggerate the general weakness and relaxation from which the patient already suffers. As a rule, the use of a simple warm sponge-bath daily, followed by gentle friction, is all that is required. A brief immersion bath will, of course, answer the same purpose. As the circulation in neurasthenics is already somewhat enfeebled, as evidenced by the coldness and lividity of the extremities, they do not react, as a rule, to cold baths, and, as a matter of actual experience, it is found that warm baths are not only well tolerated, but are productive of the best results. Finally, the time of day at which the bath is taken is of importance. Usually, in cases treated by the partial rest method, the bath should be taken in the evening, shortly before retiring. At this time it aids in relieving the fatigue of the day and also quiets the patient and prepares him for sleep. In mild cases of neurasthenia or in convalescent cases cold water is well borne, and is followed by a healthy reaction, but this is not the case when the neurasthenia is at all marked or the vasomotor tone is at all deficient. However, the patient who has been using the warm bath for a time may gradually reduce the temperature of the bath from day to day, and finally take a bath of from 600 to 500 F., which in proper cases is followed by a prompt and healthy reaction. The arterial tension, which is especially low in neurasthenics in the early hours of the day, is by this means raised, and many of the fatigue symptoms either disappear or are lessened for the time being. Tissue metabolism is also actively promoted, for observation has shown that the stimulus of the cold bath increases the consumption of oxygen and the elimination of carbon dioxide. Elaborate hydrotberapeutic apparatus to secure such results is unnecessary. The latter is usually not at the command of the patient, and only infrequently at the command of the physician, but excellent results can be achieved by very simple means.

    If people were able to let it go, and they wanted to get over what they think is “morgellons disease”, they could, I’m sure, one way, or another, just as Sarach is courageously doing, for herself. People have got to treat what they have, and only they know what those conditions, that they’ve previously been diagnosed with, are.

    Psychotherapy, unless combined with the physiologic and other remedial methods detailed above, is of little or no service. That the suggestion of returning health is of real value in neurasthenia there can be no doubt, and that an air of cheerfulness and brightness should pervade the sick-room goes without saying. Direct and indirect suggestion may both be employed with advantage in the control of special symptoms as they arise, but hypnotic or complex psychoanalytic procedures are but rarely indicated or of value.

    “The Relation of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Neurasthenia”

    http://www.meridianinstitute.com/neurasth.htm

  4. It would be interesting to read the online registrations of the MRF and see just how many people reported which symptoms and received which diagnoses from their doctors in the past.

    As we know, one of the core symptoms is supposed to be the fibers. We also know that everyone has fibers on their skin, and if they have lesions, they also have fibers in the lesions. But how many have lesions, and how many of them have already been diagnosed with something that causes lesions.

    We know that some of the Morgies have already been diagnosed with eczema, sarcoidosis, lyme disease, and various other ailments, and some of these people have forgone treatment and opted for a self-diagnosis of Morgellons. Most have also been diagnosed with DOP, and that, too, with some individuals, remains untreated.

    But getting accurate information out of a Morgellons sufferer is like pulling teeth. When we do succeed in getting a bit of information, so that we can help to point the sufferer in the right direction, they come along later and change their stories.

    It’s hard to help people that are working so hard to stay sick, and with an organization like the MRF doing it’s level best to keep them right where their at.

    Tall Cotton

  5. Hi Guys

    I’m based in the UK and have had this condition for around 5 years.
    Much as you would like to say that I’m delusional and dismiss what
    I have to say because of that, I have seen two psychiatrists
    voluntarily and their diagnosis to me and my dermatologist was that
    I am not delusional. My psychiatrist has also seen the fibres appearing
    from underneath my skin on serveral occasions and was amazed.

    Now, I DO NOT GET LESIONS OK? My skin appears clear but itches tremendously
    in the areas where the fibres reside UNDER the skin. Now let’s go over that
    again. The fibres cannot be seen on or ‘just’ under the top layer of skin
    in my case. When applying numerous substances such as tea tree oil, TCP,
    or anti-bacterial hand wash to the skin in areas where it is itching, small
    (1mm-3mm long) specks appear on the skin. They’re not present in any of the
    substances I mentioned which are obviously clear. My skin is perfectly clear
    before the specks appear. The specks when viewed under a microscope are
    very definitely fibres. Now unless my skin has the ability to ingest fibres
    from my clothing and bury it beneath the epidermis then it would seem that
    something is producing the fibres inside the body.

    I now have this confirmed by a psychiatrist AND now my dermatologist.
    BOTH confirm that the fibres are being produced from inside my body.

    So just who is delusional now?

  6. Looking around this site it seems that you are being paid to create this site.
    Why would you be so interested in a bunch of ‘delusional’ people. Most of us have
    lives to lead and much as we’d ‘LOVE’ to help the delusional people of the world
    we’re just too busy getting on with our lives.

    So Michael, Smileyshins and Talltales….are your lives that empty that this
    place takes pride of place in your diary every day?

    And hey, just to let you know:

    I’m succesfull, have a loving family, I’m very, very happy.
    I’m not yearning to be a patient but I have fought to prove what I knew was correct.
    I saw a psychiatrist to appease the dermatologist who after seeing the fibres needed the
    support of a non-DOP diagnosis more than I did.

    Now are you saying that you know better than my dermatologist, a psychiatrist and myself?

    Surely Michael, while not actually suffering from this condition, your every sentence
    is based on guesswork?

  7. Hi James, thanks for adding your story.

    Fibers under the skin is actually only #6 on the list of Morgellons symptoms, whereas “lesions” is #1, and you did not mention any other symptoms besides fibers and itching.  That’s only two out of six primary symptoms. So do you think you have Morgellons, or just fibers under the skin with itching?

    Can you give a pointer to a photo that looks most like the things you find after applying tea-tree oil? Or your fibers?

    If your doctor and your psychiatrist have seen these fibers, then obviously they are not a product of delusion. What do your doctors think they are?

  8. Answer: You, and them, apparently, if they believe in “morgellons disease”, too? I don’t mean to sound rude, though. I’ve stated, in numerous comments that I’ve posted on this blog, how environmental fibers, and other small particles, get entrapped inside unbroken skin. Some people take their skin for granted, and are totally unaware of the protective properties our skin has, and what its acid mantle is for. If the soughing off of dead epidermal skin cells, plus, all of that entrapped debris, is not accomplished, then, yeah, you’re going to have it there, until it is removed, and you, then, become aware of it. Learn about it. I’l find some more material on it, and post it when I have time to.

  9. Typo: “sloughing”. Look even these “doctors” don’t know this (they want us all to think)….

    Dr. Rhonda Casey and Dr. W. Stephen Eddy, examine the Leitao children’s skin. Both doctors, within 45 seconds, encounter fibers lurking beneath unbroken skin. It is Feb. 23, 2006, the day Dr. Wymore and the doctors he’s working with become certain of Morgellons’ existence.

    He plans the next steps, knowing he must gather funding and allies. One person will not figure this out, he decides.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06204/707970-85.stm

  10. When applying numerous substances such as tea tree oil, TCP,
    or anti-bacterial hand wash to the skin in areas where it is itching, small
    (1mm-3mm long) specks appear on the skin. They’re not present in any of the
    substances I mentioned which are obviously clear. My skin is perfectly clear
    before the specks appear. The specks when viewed under a microscope are
    very definitely fibres.

    I’m curious as to why you describe them as “specks”, and then say that they only appear as fibers when viewed under the microscope. A 1-3mm long fiber, if visible, is quite easily identifiable as a “fiber”, rather than a speck. Try cutting a bit of hair or cotton fiber to 1mm. Can you see it?

    Did you see my tea-tree experiments:

    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/04/11/tea-tree-objects-identified/

    How does this compare to the fibers your doctors have seen?

  11. This is cool, huh? People who believe in a non-existent disease, refer to themselves as not being delusional. Oh yeah, they say the jury’s still out on “morgellons disease”, and whether it’s real. Mustn’t neglect reminding myself of the importance of that.

  12. Michael:

    They are baffled. They are running tests on the fibres.
    It’s certainly not usual, and I’m sure you’ll agree, that clothing
    or other textile fibres become lodged under the skin. My dermatologist
    said he would expect to be able to see the fibres since due to their
    size they are clearly visible with the naked eye.

    I get fibres from my scalp, arms, the back of my neck. I have found the
    same fibres on many occasions on the outside surface of my eye.

    They are nearly always accompanied by a feeling of irritation deep under
    the skin and right now predominantly black. I don’t own any black clothing.
    Not my colour.

    Recently, most of the fibres have come from my hands: the underside of my wrists
    quite alot of the time. I do not suffer from dry skin or eczema. After having this
    condition quite some time now I really do not believe the fibres are caused by
    dry skin trapping ‘debris’ or textile fibres. The skin on the underneath of my
    wrists is never dry.

    The fibres are often flat or ribbon-shaped. They are sometimes covered in a
    mucous-like mass. I have often wondered if this is my body coating the fibre
    in cells before ejecting it from the skin.

    I gave up taking pictures of these long ago since I figured I’d just have
    to live with it until more was known about it. All my current samples are
    with the docs.

  13. Hi Michael

    Time for bed here. Thank you for your reply and
    I will look through your post when I get time tomorrow
    evening.

  14. Elastosis Perforans Serpiginosa

    S12C20P10-1: The epidermis shows a localized area of pseudoepitheliomatous hyperplasia. In a claw-like pattern, the hyperplastic epithelium encloses a collection of necrotic debris (pale green arrows); the debris consists in large part of the break-down product of inflammatory cells. The claw extends into the upper portion of the reticular dermis; it extends beyond the stroma supporting the epidermis (i.e., the papillary dermis). The depth to which the cytologically benign epithelium has extended is a morphologic feature qualifying the pattern as pseudoepitheliomatous hyperplasia; epithelium has extended beyond its stroma. At the extremity of the claw-like extension, the debris contains bright red fibers (yellow arrows); these are altered elastic fibers of the reticular dermis. Some of the fibers, particularly on the right side of the claw, extend from the reticular dermis into the defect. Histiocytes have collected in loose, granulomatous patterns at the interface between the debris and the underlying, intact reticular dermis ( elastosis perforans serpiginosa).

    S12C20P10-2: The hyperplastic epithelium in claw-like fashion partially encloses necrotic debris. The zone of necrotic debris extends in the upper portion of the dermis to the left. Markers for a basal layer and basement membrane are not apparent in the area in which epithelium presses upon the debris. The inflammatory focus may promote the invasive growth of the epithelium (immunostimulation).

    S12C20P10-3: Several collections of debris are in transit through the epidermis to the surface of the skin. Some of the material has collected in the keratin layer. The movement of cellular debris upward through the epidermis is dependent on cellular kinetics (“transepidermal elimination”).

    S12C20P10-4: The bright red elastic fibers in the area of perforation have a fibrinoid quality. Histiocytes have collected at the interface between the dermis and the defect.

    S12C20P10-5: In this areas of perforation, there are numerous, brightly acidophilic, elastic fibers in the inflammatory debris. There also scattered collections of acantholytic cells.

    S12C20P10-6: Thin collagen bundles of the dermis to the left are widely spaced; the dermis is edematous. Vessels are tortuous and ectatic. The column of epithelium that extends into the dermis on the right contains basophilic, inflammatory debris. Bright red, elastic fibers are free in the lumen, along with inflammatory debris; elastic fibers have “perforated” the epithelium. Actually, the epithelium has invaded the dermis to entrap the elastic fibers. The entrapped elastic fibers, and cellular debris are in transit to the surface in the process of “transepithelial elimination.”

    S12C20P10-7: The area of perforation is to the right at the margin of the field. To the left of this area, arrows identify zones of loosely cellular, delicate fibrous tissue; the patterns are compatible with reactive fibroplasia. These zones of fibroplasia represent the trail of the perforating process. The damaged dermis undergoes repair, but is recognizable, as the trail, by an absence of elastic tissue. The process of perforation is migrating to the righ (elastosis perforans serpiginosum).

    Corresponding photos at the following URL:

    http://www.som.tulane.edu/classware/pathology/medical_pathology/InflamDermato/S12C10Granuloma/S12C20P10-ElastosisPerforans_S/s12c20p10-elastosisperforans_s.html

  15. Interesting stuff James. Let me know when you get the results of the tests on the fibers.

  16. The info I posted is not for james, necessarily, but for whoever might need it. It may apply to “some” individuals.

  17. James,

    It sounds like shaved off whisker stubbles that were not rinsed away properly.

    P.S. What the heck does the measurement of one’s success and happiness have to do with delusions.

    Delusions are not necessarily what you see, but what you think about what you see. You need to brush up on your DOP studies.

    I might not have been so blunt had you not come here spitting out a mouthful of insults. You sound like the typical delusional Morgie to me.

    Tall Cotton

  18. Elastosis Perforans Serpiginosa – I had a read through this, and tried to understand what I could. After I was diagnosed with folliculitis – the fibers started to emerge, I found something out about perforated skin disorder. I spoke to the doctor about it and he just looked at me like I was an idiot. I said to him apparently the body can produce stuff that looks like hair, or pieces of wood even, he still just looked at me. That doctor back then explained that the symptoms of the palms and soles of my feet were just purely dirt,ignore it and don’t worry – I thought that was rather funny – blue and green dirt!!

    I saw my folks yesterday afternoon my mum gave me a book to read – “heal your soul” by clare wilde. I said to her have you read this – she said no I haven’t I don’t need to. She told me she found the book the book shelf and the restort she stayed at -(I don’t think so some how).

    I have read the majority of the book so far. I spoke to my sis and said to her, why the hell did mum not just write me a death certificate because it sure feels that way. I read a few quotes from the book to my sis and she said – please read that again in English!! and then advised me to use it as toilet paper.

    Can anyone please give me their opinion on this book? Thanks

  19. I saw the lady doc today. My iron is low at 7. My blood showed some inflammation – but we contributed this to maybe the cold/shingles I had at the time the blood was taken. I am now taking iron replacement. Will be reducing the Prednisolone, so will be weaned off within 6 months. Will have futher bloods in 6 weeks.

    So either I am not getting enough iron or I have internal bleeding.

  20. I havn’t read the book, but here’s a review on it.

    Review
    Synopsis
    In this work, the author offers a positive and practical guide to contented well-being, teaching the individual to begin self-healing from within the real constraints of his or her situation. The book explains how a vital relationship with the world can signal health and wellness, urging us to harness our senses as a means of self-healing. A firm believer in the power of positive thinking, the author also sets out to teach us to recognize our strengths and learn from experience. The book starts by leading the reader to discover his or her soul and its agenda. An appraisal of ones current situation and how one has come to be there is the next step, followed by an awareness of the healing process and what happens when the body’s energy system is out of kilter. An awakening to the many therapies that can help follows, with instructions on how to harness the power of “colour therapy”, “dowsing”, “colour healing”, “crystal energy”, “flower remedies” and “healing with oils”. There is also advice on how to use dreams, self-observation, and simple forgiveness to carry on what you have learned through the rest of your life.

  21. I’m unclear as to whether James has scratched his skin when the itching begins, or if he just applies something to his skin where it itches, and then, the fibers appear. Regardless, either way, there is a logical explanation for it, and it does sound, the way he is describing it, like it is posssibly an acquired reactive perforating collagenosis. A dermatologist shouldn’t be baffled, though. James, just try and relax, and, I suppose, see what the tests on your fibers reveal. It sounds quite peculiar, to me, how you’ve said…

    They are baffled. They are running tests on the fibres.
    It’s certainly not usual, and I’m sure you’ll agree, that clothing
    or other textile fibres become lodged under the skin. My dermatologist
    said he would expect to be able to see the fibres since due to their
    size they are clearly visible with the naked eye.

    If you think you have “morgellons disease” that is a very misfortunate thing, and it appears that you are of that mindset, indeed. You were childish, referring to TC and me with your little smart aleck names. So, you’ve come to a “morgellons disease debunking blog”, why? To try proving that you aren’t delusional?

    If I were in your position, and it was a source of extreme annoyance for me, I would want to determine the cause of my itching, through going to my general practitioner and explaining that I’d like her/him to order a few tests. I’d ask for a CBC, a urinalysis, a thyroid test, a test of my blood glucose level, a liver enzymes test, and take it from there, after the results came back.

  22. Smiley

    You appear to be holding yourself out as a medical professional, which is illegal in all US States.

  23. AWESOME!!!!! Hey, so sue me. What a funny person you are.

  24. CDC my ass!!!!!!!!!!

  25. It’s sad. Really, really, sad.

  26. CDC-RESEARCH is ThisSiteIsHidingThings, aka ThisSiteSUX, aka HAHAHAHA, aka Frustrated, aka Houston.

    It’s not illegal to give people advice about their health. I say if you are sick, then talk to a doctor! If you have a scratch, use a band-aid. There, that’s some medical advice.

    However, impersonating a federal official (like the CDC) is, as you might imagine, a federal offence, punishable by up to three years in prison under 18 U.S.C. § 912 (1994).

    Which I’ll save you looking up:

    Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C43.txt

  27. CDC-RESEARCH is ThisSiteIsHidingThings, aka ThisSiteSUX, aka HAHAHAHA, aka Frustrated, aka Houston.

    So, there are no “investigators”, then? I set out the tea and crumpets for nothing?

  28. Giving medical advise is not a good idea, unless you are a Doctor of medicine.

  29. I agree w/ concerned. What do you have to gain?

  30. What a couple of freaks! You mean to tell me, that it’s better to be ignorant?

  31. My God, get a grip folks. She recommended he see his doctor. Silly people!!!!!!1

  32. You boyz ever heard of HidemyIp. HAHAHAHA Jokes on you. Sue me, bite me, whatever, get off my nuts and GET A PURPOSE TO HELP PEOPLE.

  33. Now, do we all see how incredibly shot the minds are that believe in “morgellons disease”? This reminds me of my days on LB, making posts of sound, logical, advice, and being yelled at that they needed to be left alone, and that they knew what they were doing. What they were, and still are, doing, was self-inflicting injury to themselves. Look at this, everyone. Just l-o-o-k, and behold what shape they’re in. One, accusing me of impersonating a medical professional, assuming that I am as gulllible a person as they are. Then, here two more come along and say that giving out medical advice is not a good idea, unless one is a doctor, and the other agreed. How many such people took THEIR doctors’ advice?

  34. Michael – What the hell has gone on here!!??

    Who is impersonating who??

  35. You boyz ever heard of HidemyIp. HAHAHAHA Jokes on you. Sue me, bite me, whatever, get off my nuts and GET A PURPOSE TO HELP PEOPLE. DUDE YOU HAZ A UTERIOUS AILMENT

  36. Why, if you all enjoy your delusions, are you even on this blog to begin with?

  37. Concerned, Tall Crops and Tall Wheat are all the same person, probably HAHAHAHA.

    If people have their name in bold, and an icon over on the left (Like Smileykin’s smiley, then that means they are logged into WordPress, and so they are who they say they are. Other than that, people can type what they want for a name. But I can see their IP address.

    They have been put in the moderation queue for now, which delays their posts, since they were just posting repeats of the same nonesense.

  38. Michael

    Are you there to give us all a reply on what has just transpired here please??

    It appears to be some in house fighting (like they know each other)???

  39. I apologize. That wasn’t necessary for me to say that.

  40. Houston, I honestly thought you were a female. You may not be, but that’s what I had though. Whatever you are, you’re definitely retarded.

  41. TC doesn’t mean that in the literal sense of the word, I’m sure, but Houston, you’re mother is not the real one who is ill. That is so apparent.

  42. 4 + 1 = 5… hahahahahahahahahaha… hilarious…

    why is it you run off everyone who peeks in?… too bad you coudn’t keep even 1% or 2% of those 100,000 huh margarette… why is it so many who stop by, instantly get the feeling this site is a paid front?… hmmm… i do wonder…

    if you think you have morgellons disease, then this is not the place for you… unless of course you enjoy being ridiculed and diagnosed delusional after only a couple of posts…

    giving out medical advice is probably not illegal, but in your situation here, it is highly un-ethical… and if someone takes your advise and is damaged by it, i suppose you could be sued…

    like my new name?… i do… oh, don’t worry… i am not impersonating the cdc… i just think it has a nice ring to it…

    don’t bother with the tea and crumpets jl… no one is staying here long enough to enjoy them… they probably taste like shit anyway…

  43. Typo: “your” was what I’d meant. Sarach, this is ridiculous. Houston pretended to be the CDC and cited me for impersonated a medical professional, and two others came along and, well, you saw.

  44. Sarach,

    It’s Houston, AKA many other names, acting like a child, criticizing Smileykins for trying to help people.
    How you doing today?

    Tall Cotton

  45. People like this DEBUNK “morgellons disease”, like I’ve said since they came along, back in April. Now, explain…

    “giving out medical advice is probably not illegal, but in your situation here, it is highly un-ethical… and if someone takes your advise and is damaged by it, i suppose you could be sued…”

    DAMN.

  46. sk… post #36… you are a bitch… plain and simple…

    we are not delusional… you know exactly why we are here…

  47. add #45 to that too… bitch…

  48. Why are you here? To warn all of us about GM food allergies…AND???

  49. I’d apologized, since I’m not sociopathic, for my comment #36, Houston.

    #39 smileykins Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 10:34 pm

    I apologize. That wasn’t necessary for me to say that.

  50. You’re here because you are a worthless piece of shit.

  51. we do not believe what you do here is ethical or moral… we believe that it should be illegal… you dis-inform, ridicule, and label to your own gain… you will lose…

  52. #50… nice one tc… wanna go a round or two?… think you can make it two rounds?… i don’t… it’s easy to hide here isn’t it?…

    5 – 1 = 4… hahahahah….

  53. You’d refused, last night, to explain who “WE” are. Please tell us who you mean, by “we”.

  54. nice way to handle it margarette… just a little piece of tape on my mouth… it will come off… you’ll see…

  55. We havn’t nothing to gain except the satisfaction of helping to steer people straight. We have alread won! That was a foregone conclusion. I apologize for my foul mouth, but what you think isn’t going to change the truth, and isn’t going to stop us from doing what we’re doing. You have a problem. You don’t know the facts.

  56. cdcdude, you can post if you address what you see as the issues – just try to be reasonably polite, and lay off the direct personal attacks unless it’s strictly relevent.

  57. What is the MRF doing anyway? Seems like the NMO has taken over. Was Chas the power behind the throne?

  58. Okay, I think this explains it?

    if you think you have morgellons disease, then this is not the place for you

    I know I brought this point up to Houston, quite a while back. Read the top of the page!!! You ARE in the wrong place.

  59. my posts thus far are relevant… and polite?… your crew here isn’t very polite… if i disagree with any of you, i will automatically be called delusional… even those posting with heartfelt comments are labled here almost immediately…

    tc… you say you have already won… in detail, explain that… using the facts you presume to know… careful… facts are facts… facts are not opinion, presumption, or guess-work… just facts… bold statement you made… back it up… lest i will be calling you delusional…

  60. sk… so what disease or diseases should i think i have in order to be here?… the right place…

    or, should i be here only to support the your dis-info campaign?…

    you say you want to help morgies… but then you say they shouldn’t be here… are you delusional?… or just confused…

  61. we do not believe what you do here is ethical or moral… we believe that it should be illegal… you dis-inform, ridicule, and label to your own gain… you will lose…

    I don’t think someone who is hoping to profit by convincing people that Morgellons is real has any moral or ethical ground to stand on.

  62. margarette… you keep putting tape on my mouth… i keep pulling it off… bad game to play… no fun…

  63. Houston. Is it that you don’t know the definition of the word, DEBUNKING?

  64. Oh, no I did NOT say that I wanted to help morgies. It is impossible to penetrate the mind of someone with thoughts like that. T-totally, i-m-p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e.

  65. Up yours buddy. Try to help

  66. Whoops. See how excited that accusation made me?

  67. Cdcdude/Houston,

    Where have I ever said that Morgellons is a delusion? Where have I ever said I though you were delusional? Where have I ever said anyone was delusional?

    I think you missed some of my posts:

    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/05/24/morgellons-is-not-delusions-of-parasitosis/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-problem-with-dop/
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/06/07/physical-andor-mental/

  68. go cdcdude. srew these guys

  69. The sub-title of this blogsite is Resources for Morgellons Analysis, Skeptical analysis and Debunking.
    This site endeavors to present the truth, and it does a very good job of doing just that. The fact indicate that Morgellons fibers are not related to any disease, that Morgellons is not a distinct disease, and that the Morgies have a variety of real health problems. Throught this blog, the evidence has been presented by Michael to whoever cares to read the blog. The rest of us have our opinions, and of course, we believe they are true or wouldn’t present them. Those opinions are not necessarily those of the blogmeister. You came here to discredit and disrupt. You didn’t come here for help, and you are too hard-headed to accept the truth. If you want the facts, read what Michael has posted. If you want my opinions, read them. If not, don’t read them. I could care less.

    Tall Cotton

  70. or, should i be here only to support the your dis-info campaign?…

    You should be here to provide counterpoint. You should identify flaws in my arguments and point them out. You should present evidence I have overlooked. You should quote extracts from my posts that you think are misleading. You should provide links to stories that bolster your assertions and weaken mine.

  71. Based on all the contents within the posts from this person, all along, I truly don’t think they understand.

    debunk: expose — expose while ridiculing; especially of pretentious or false claims and ideas; “The physicist debunked the psychic’s claims”

  72. Smoke and mirrors boys, let get some sense about this deal. Telling people w/ symptom that they have no symptoms shows your dumb ass.

  73. Smoke and mirrors boys, let get some sense about this deal. Telling people w/ symptom that they have no symptoms shows your dumb ass.

  74. #71… then ace ass clowns 2, 3, and 4 Michael… they are not what you would call good help… they are running off the customers… surely you can see that can’t you?…

    sk has said many times she wants to help morgies… back her into a corner tonight, now she doesn’t want to/can’t help… backpeddler…

    tc said he has facts… but alas… he only has opinion and he doesn’t care if anyone listens or not…

    clue… i said i have a new name, but i am not houston…

  75. I BELIEVE THAT SOME MORGIES HAVE THE SYMPTOMS THEY SAY THEY HAVE. I’ve told you over and over that you can have all the symptoms and still be delusional if you misinterpret those symptoms and in spite of all logic hang onto the belief that you are infested with Morgellons disease organisms.

  76. #72… ok… so ridicule is part of the definition… and de-bunking has more than one side… ok… but in your example, the physicist… being a physicist… was qualified… yes, qualified… therein lies the problem sk… prove you are qualified… prove i am not…

  77. Smoke and mirrors boys, let get some sense about this deal. Telling people w/ symptom that they have no symptoms shows your dumb ass.

    The symptoms are real. They have those symptoms. They have real fibers in their real lesions. They really itch, and they really have CFS type symptoms.

    It’s what the symptoms mean that is the issue.

  78. Most normal folks do not have time to monitor a website 24/7. The only ones that have such time are mental.

  79. I challenge you to search anywhere on this blog, and print where I have ever said that I want to help morgies. You’d better be able to deliver it too, because I have never made that ignorant claim. I am not a fool who was born yesterday. I’d had a delusional state myself one time, for a couple of months, when I was severely dehydrated and came close to death. So, I know, all-too-well, that whatever you see, and whatever you think, is as real as your hand when you hold it up in front of your face. There is no talking a morgie out of thinking that they have “morgellons disease”. Thank God I never stumbled into it back then, on line.

  80. You are not our worry. You have your proof but you either can’t understand it, or else you, for some reason can’t accept it. Believe whatever you want to believe. I said that my words are my “opinions” because they are not the official words of the owner of this blog. I did not say that my opinions are not facts.

  81. One thing I wasn’t back then, though, was a dumbass. I didn’t fuck around and cause any damage to my skin.

  82. blah, blah blah whatever, your opinion means NOTHING.

  83. #76… what’s the real deal tc?… why so much anger towards the mrf and ml?… why so hard to believe that morgellons is not a new and distinct disease unto itself?… what is so hard about that for you?… i think your judgement is being clouded by a grudge… simple as that… if you do not have morgellons, great… but non-morgs can be just as belligerent as morgs… morgs keep searching for an answer because they can see and therefore know that there is a parasite in their skin… non-human anatomy… period…

  84. why so hard to believe that morgellons is not a new and distinct disease unto itself?

    Because there is no evidence?

    morgs keep searching for an answer because they can see and therefore know that there is a parasite in their skin

    Why can’t the doctors see it?

  85. Yeah, how normal are any of us, staying on line with the likes of this, without our heavy-duty safety helmets? I just got mad enough to say the “f” word. I’m sorry. I just don’t get people wanting to be the ways they are when there’s a better way. It’s really sickening that they’re like that. It’s really sickening that they fight so hard to protect being like that. It’s so sick that they’re exploited and don’t even know it. It’s so sick that they all seem to enjoy it. It’s enough to make a preacher curse, it’s so utterly useless to do anything about. I juist don’t want anyone making the mistake of thinking I want them to not enjoy it.

  86. tc said,

    “We havn’t nothing to gain except the satisfaction of helping to steer people straight. We have alread won! That was a foregone conclusion. I apologize for my foul mouth, but what you think isn’t going to change the truth, and isn’t going to stop us from doing what we’re doing. You have a problem. You don’t know the facts.”

    you say you have won and that i don’t know the facts, which implies that you do… well… what are the goddamn facts then?…

  87. Houston. Why all the redundant questions? Do you not know how to navigate this blog and read all the answers that are plentiful?

  88. There’s a FAQ at the top of the page.

    It’s it bit untempered, feel free to critique.

  89. CdcDude, why don’t you start by reading the post on this page? Tell us what you dislike about the comparison of Morgellons to older Hysterias.

  90. see Michael… this is where the bullshit starts… this is why your census is down…

    because there is no evidence?… there is no evidence it does not exist…

    why can’t doctors see it?… some can and some can’t… most don’t…

    it is just a matter of which side you are on… obviously… war (we are right)…

    c ya…

  91. Michael – Could you please take a look at these links. I did a google search on “roundup” – the dickhead I live with decided he was going to spray all the weeds in the garden TODAY. Not a good idea I don’t think, me and Sal are NOT WELL remember……..

    MONSANTO COROPORATION.

    http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm#roundup
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biotechnology

  92. And another link on Roundup and Monsanto

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup

  93. #89… and you have deduced your victory from that?… a self declared victory isn’t necessarily a win… probably pre-mature at this time too…

    that is why i say you will lose… not that you have lost… in time…

  94. sarah… spray away… monsanto is a wholesome company… like kraft and philip morris…

  95. Roundup kills plants. It’s practically non-toxic to animals and humans. Just don’t get it in your eyes, or eat the plants you spray it with.

  96. sarah… spray away… monsanto is a wholesome company… like kraft and philip morris…

    They are NOT a wholesome company – I am only a little fish in this big world BUT dat Monsanto spell big big trouble….

  97. Michael – Oh gee thanks, from what I have read about Monsanto and Roundup it will damn well kill me and my cat. Go read those links please and then come back and tell me what you think……umm maybe you just did…..just testing..

  98. I read them. You can find links like that on practically everything.

    Roundup is not a poison. It targets plants only. It’s no more harmful to you than your shampoo. So take the same precautions as you would with shampoo.

  99. Time for “Rent A Bubble” I think..

  100. You know, Monsanto would actually prefer it if their products were non-toxic. That’s actually what they try to do. The way some people talk makes it sound like Monsanto is trying to kill everyone. They are just trying to make money. They will make more if they don’t poison people.

  101. I read them. You can find links like that on practically everything.

    Oh really???? ….. well let me see some please..

  102. tall crop?? interesting. sounds like crops that grows on trees like apples and oranges; fruits. and clusters of fruit trees growing close together bearing the same fruit are called groves. interesting. but i do believe the best is yet to come. winter makes investing in groves, ricky business.

    better to take a trip to paris an have a malt-o in a little cyber cafe with your man. but don’t drink the bottled water in france smellykerns.

  103. no seriously… monsanto does not make any products that are harmful to humans when used according to the package label… their products are well tested and i am sure that monsanto corporate would tell you that all of their products are safe for humans and human environments… furthermore, monsanto prototypes are tested in such a way to never cause concerns to the public health in any way… they are very thorough and they always consider every possibility and outcome… american as apple pie…

  104. You know, Monsanto would actually prefer it if their products were non-toxic. That’s actually what they try to do. The way some people talk makes it sound like Monsanto is trying to kill everyone. They are just trying to make money. They will make more if they don’t poison people.

    Which products of Monsanto’s are you referring to, which they would prefer to be non-toxic???

    Well call me dumb but I think Monsanto could have made a little bit of a mistake – this stuff can kill people.

  105. FACT No. 1 A lot of people got diagnosed with DOP and didn’t treat for it
    FACT No. 2 A mentally ill woman that has MSBP (and DOP, she saw manifested in her son?) started a website
    FACT No. 3 A nurse got run outta Texas for her unethical practices and she saw Lyme patients who were…?
    FACT No. 4 That nurse found the web site and signed up with the mother
    FACT No. 5 Other doctors and nurses signed on, with a few other believers
    FACT No. 6 Lots of others came along, signed up to the belief, and registered all their symptoms/conditions
    Fact No. 7 A bogus case definition was concocted from that list
    FACT No. 8 All our nation’s legislators have been contacted, state & federal
    FACT No. 9 The Center for Disease Control was harrassed repeatedly
    FACT No. 10 A Unitarian OSU PhD came along and decided to do “research”

    I may have skipped a few facts, so excsue me.

    Up for grabs….

    The so-called professional people did this because they’re all mentally ill

    or

    They did it for the easy money

  106. Well with the amount of crap and links that have been posted here Michael – you can not see past the end of your nose that WE DO HAVE A GLOBAL PROBLEM

  107. We have lots of global problems. Is your illness part of a global problem? Sure, you are sick, but is it really part of some big conspiracy? Why do you think that?

  108. I guess on that note – I’ll go help in the garden then – byeeee!!!

  109. #106… i am not impressed… these may be facts as they have ocurred, but only circumstantial at best when applied to the morgellons truth or fiction debate…

    i am still not going to say you have lost… but if that is all you have, i will say you are going to lose… c ya later loser…

  110. Cdcdude said…

    there is no evidence it does not exist…

    Tell that to the CDC. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

  111. one more… speaking of money… how much would a company like monsanto stand to lose if they did create something that was toxic to humans?… something that created a global disease… and could be proven…

    well, right… of course they would not want to create products that are toxic to humans… making money would be the least of their worries… keeping it would be paramount…

  112. Excuse me for saying what an utter dipshit you are Houston. Texastar, if I didn’t know better, you seem like TC must have done you at one time, or another, and left you on your ass, out in the cold. He’s not like that, so get over him, already.

  113. Milk is bad for you:
    http://www.notmilk.com/

    Grains are bad for you
    http://home.earthlink.net/~loveguru/grainbad.htm

    Soy is bad for you
    http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/articles/soynorris

    You know what’s really bad for you, what has proven time and again to be really bad for you? Worry. It’s the worry that’s making you sick, not milk, bread, soy or Roundup.

  114. Michael – I never said a damn conspiracy, Global problem meaning – lots of different factors coming into play – Monsanto- yes I mentioned that, pollution, global warming, chemicals in the environment, water, lyme disease appears to be out of control,everyone has different ailments and diseases, but for some strange reason lots of people are popping fibers, bit strange don’t ya think!

  115. WORRY!!!!! That is so funny…Michael…oh dear dear me

  116. hey sk… fightin’ fire with fire?… or just revealing those true love monkey tweakin’ colors of yours?… i honestly can’t tell…

  117. http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=4773

    Here is a link on worry Michael.

  118. poor sarah… a couple posts… and she is confused (and worried) again… are you drinking the roundup?… you’re not supposed to drink it…

  119. Laying around with chronic fatigue, and expecting one’s skin to expell toxic build-up is impossible. Poor circulation, low oxygen from anemia, inadequate hydration, sluggish systems, in general….the skin is sluggish and holding everything in, rather than being able to perform its elimination functions. All it’s doing is performing in its protective capacity, and protecting, and protecting, getting more and more build-up entrapped inside of it. That furthers to render it unable to receive oxygen, or to elimnate carbon dioxide, as well as to keep on holding everything in.

  120. I’m off now to drink that roundup!!!

  121. “Roundup” . Houston, I thought that you’d demanded facts. Did I disatisfy you with the ones I provided?

  122. sarah, it looks like you hit monsantomarge right in the crotch with a gallon of roundup. He is posting sites about anything to spin off of roundup. most of the studies on the effects of roundup and its active and inactive ingreds have been done not in the good ole usa. here is one to start with then google glyphosate endocrine blocker. this is very bad stuff and Michael relates it to shampoo.

    i don’t think you really want to debate this one do you monssy.

    “New Study Links World’s Biggest Selling Pesticides to Cancer: Swedish Study Finds Exposure to Glyphosate and MCPA Increases Risk for Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma”

    http://www.biotech-info.net/glyphosate_cancer2.html

  123. I missed this..

    there is no evidence it does not exist

    Just like Santa, The Easter Bunny, and The Tooth Fairy.

  124. This poor couple decided to back down from threats from Monsanto…read on

    http://www.percyschmeiser.com/profile.htm

  125. Why would there be any fear among morgie people concerning pestcides, though? It’s the “best friend” of some of them, as they have professed. Is it that some want to poison themselves with it slowly, and sue Monsanto? What good do they hope to accomplish, regardless of their reasoning?

  126. See for yourself Monsanto – a real concern in Australia.

    http://www.ofa.org.au/newsletters/May05.html

  127. Gee whiz Michael are you hitting that send button to keep sending me more and more and more astrology emails, give it up already.

  128. well it looks like sarah has smoggykins on the ropes with a punch to the monsanto.

    monssyMichael, roundup kills from the root up and you used it as a shampoo. that explains a lot.

  129. You are so weird, Texastar. Are you high, right now? This blog is not about Monsanto. Did TC break your widdle heart, sweetie?

  130. smellcan said:

    “this site is not about mansanto”

    it may be more about maonsanto the you know. but then again you don’t seem to know or remember very much.

    want to take a trip down memory lane? haven’t revisited niagra falls yet or any nearby marshes for that matter.

  131. It appears that the title of this topic thread, “Hystorical Context”, was mistaken as being the proper place to post “Hysterical Content”, tonight.

  132. Come on guys, we are not getting very far with the personal comments back and forth.

  133. You need to move on, and find somebody your type, Texastar. I had asked you if we knew you from posting as Bugs Alive & Adapted, and you’d lied about it, did you? Okay, let’s talk.

  134. And this better be worth it.

  135. I agree, Sarach. Click onto the name “Smileykins” and let’s go.

  136. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
    - George Santayana,

    sounds like a very appropriate place to stroll down memory lane and reread the writings in the micrographs, planning at the malt-o-philia shop and building protective barriers between marshes and groves. you certainly don’t want a marsh to invade your grove again.

  137. do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

  138. I clicked on it, server error, still waiting..

  139. Nothin much there, never mind.

  140. Sorry – the internet just crashed, you know it always does that when I am lookin and readin some really good stuff.

    My delusions are kicking in – my email inbox has had a little fairy come in and arrange everything really nicely from top to bottom, I wonder how I did that without even doing it??

  141. Texastar – marshes and groves, how interesting? What the?

    Look folks, I don’t know who the hell is who, but what I do know is that we all have FIBERSSSSS , what we going do about it??

  142. I’m sorry, Sarach. I didn’t mean for you to click onto our blog. When I’d said,

    # 136 I agree, Sarach. Click onto the name “Smileykins” and let’s go.

    It was in reference to Texastar’s past problem, that she has with Bugs Alive (TC) & Adapted (me), that explains what she has been so menacing about on here. We have some things to iron out with her. I was lied to (big surprise!), when I had asked her if she used to communicate with us and had a problem.

    You had just said, (and I agreed),

    # 133 Come on guys, we are not getting very far with the personal comments back and forth.

    Take it there, NOW, Texastar, and we’ll straighten out everything.

  143. http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/14/stories/2006071406220400.htm

    Would you look at this we have Monsanto and National Instruments all in the one document, isnt’ that just so funny.

  144. p.s. NO IT ISN’T FUNNY

  145. http://www.informationweek.com/667/67iuerp.htm

    Another one Michael – Look it has Monsanto and National Instruments again, is that a coincidence or what??? No it is just my delusions I guess.

  146. http://pgi05.events.pennnet.com/exhibitor_list.cfm?Language=&Navid=2952

    Lookies here – we have Monsanto, National Instruments AND Weed Instruments all in the same list.

  147. Don’t you think this kinda needs some sort of explanation.

    You know I have talked NI in the past, and Jeezelouise you did say a while ago they were just a small town software company, there are not a small town company.

    Read the links, that is just the small of it I think.

  148. Well I do hope SOMEONE comes by and READS these LINKS.

    You all seem to have fallen on the face of the earth so conveniently. I am not talking to anyone in paticular because I don’t know who any of you are, BUT what I DO KNOW, IS THAT YOU BASTARDS HAVE DONE WRONG SOMEWHERE. We all have FIBERS god damnit.

  149. http://www7.nationalacademies.org/ocga/testimony/Assessment_of_Natl_Nanotechnology_Initiative.asp

    I found this, dunno if any good – I can’t be bothered reading it, and I don’t follow it either, just has some key words of Congress, Science, Technology, Nanotechnology blah blah blah

    Michael – you can delete if you don’t think relevant to the topic, thanks.

  150. Sarach I looked at that link and it’s for some type of business convention that all those companies were in attendance of in Las Vegas, Nevada.

    I think TC and I are the ones deserving of some sort of explanation, other than taking off out of here on the last note of The Golden Rule…….again.

    Now, you came clean and explained that Mary Leitao directed and led you to get on here, and do what you had done, but Texastar lied when I asked what the deal was with her. She’s made it clear, now, that she indeed has some unfinished business we need to resolve for her. If she runs and hides, after letting it out, she isn’t wanting to work her way through it, and to make her way out of it. Figure me that.

    You’re my kind of gal, Sarach. You’ve got guts, and you know you’re going to make it for yourself. That’s rare, among this crowd, and that’s an understatement. You know it is, too!

  151. That second link is a Congressional session on Nanotechnology.

  152. Oh, it isn’t relative to “morgellons disease” at all.

  153. Texstar – So you have been the one wandering through my groves hey?? wondered what had happened to over 50 names out of my family tree, if it ain’t you then who the f… is it?

  154. Texastar – you are not Cindy Casey are you?

  155. Hey, has Sally still got her bandana on, Sarach? Does she think she looks charming in it? You are going to be able to resist taking any pets home with you, once you begin volunteering at the shelter, right?

  156. No I took the bandana off – I was scared she was going to catch it on somethimg in the garden, I have kept it though.

    I won’t be taking any pets home with me from the shelter, I ain’t even started yet!! I have to go see them on the weekend for a look around.

  157. Funny you know – she really didn’t mind that bandanna on, but the anaethetic has really effected her, made her a little silly. She keeps thanking me though for making her better, and helping her.

  158. Texastar – Where did you go? If you our here to fight for the truth of the FIBERS In the body, well come on. We don’t call it friggin morgies. I just got FIBERS, FIBERS, all in ME.

  159. I have trouble resisting animals. Hehe, I have a bit too many, but they do keep me going, when I don’t much feel up to it. It’s so wonderful that you’re going to lend them your assistance at the shelter.

  160. Why is it that some people just seem to turn up at the right time?????

    This is friggin stupid, actually no words to describe it – oh yes, I am a walking compost heap, whatelse??? Who the hell carries all this fluff around in their bodies.

    You see I want to help all these people suffering the fiber disease (not morgies, morgellons) Its the FIBERS STUPID. Texastar or Houston or whoever you people are. I ain’t no government. I work for the Government, YES I am on the Disability Pension because I am sick, very friggin sick with crap in me that I know should not be. So lets talk shop.

  161. I have trouble resisting animals. Hehe, I have a bit too many, but they do keep me going, when I don’t much feel up to it. It’s so wonderful that you’re going to lend them your assistance at the shelter.

    Yes I will help out if I can. That is why I am taking my sis with me, she will give me the final word on whether she thinks it is appropriate for me given my state of health, she is an RN.

  162. So any comments on the above links: you know monsanto,NI,bell labs, lucent whoever else there is, I have no friggin idea, they just all seem to link up in a horrible way.

    I wanna cough up a fur ball

  163. Sarach, one of my all time favorite shows that I’ve seen on television’s Animal Planet network, was of a home, that a lady over there runs, for orphaned kangaroo babies whose mothers have gotten hit by cars. She has a houseful of those sweet little things, in all sizes, at all times! She has little beds with blankies for them to cover up with, and I just never saw anything quite so precious as all those little kangaroo babies. Some were extremely tiny, you know, and required very special care.

  164. Because some friggin idiots seem to have me and my cat on remote, well they have for a long time. Is the fellow next to me on remote also, or is he pressing the buttons as well??

  165. SK – I actually missed that show, my mum told me about it. I did look it up on the internet and have a read about it, lovely sorry. BUT no doubt of course everyone seems to know what I have read, or done, or visited or whatever?? No friggin privacy anymore these days.

  166. Now, Sarach. You aren’t on remote. You need a remote for the fellow next to ya. Hehehe. Wouldn’t that be fun!

  167. We ought to move to Alaska, where we could get some privacy. Mighty cold up there, though, and some places aren’t as private there as they used to be.

  168. You flippin bet it would. Christ all mighty I must have “shit head” written across my forehead. I know he has “vodka” written across his, but does that give him the right to treat me like shit and has done the whole time I have shared with him.

    I would swear he is on remote control you know, the timing of things under this roof is just horrible. Who suffers?? I Do,

    Why?? I have NO IDEA??

  169. Well, he is just a downright poopy-head, no doubt about it!

  170. Never been to Alaska, don’t know anything about the place, is it nice?

    Do they allow privacy in Alaska?? not many places seem to have much privacy these days.

  171. And you know because he is an alcoholic, it is really hard to tell if he is effected by this, the fibers etc.

  172. It’s brrrrrrrrrrrrr cold in Alaska. Rather remote up there. I think I’d like it, if I could tolerate the cold, but I never have enjoyed snow. Michael is probably not going to be too thrilled at all the space we’re taking up, so I’d better get my hiney off to bed. Take care, there lady, and catch ya later, sweet tater!

  173. sarah,

    i was not the one in your stuff. many others have experienced computer irregularities when investigating morgellons, monsanto and other related topics. this is especially true when you are dealing with old computer geeks’ boards/blogs. they seechange in their comuter stuff.

    like forrest says, life is like a box of chocolates. you never know what or who you are going to get.

  174. Hey, do you have support groups for people who have an alcoholic in their lives, over there, Sarach, like the Al-Anon program we have here, in the states? If so, that would be a good thing for you to look into.

  175. Yes we have Al-Anon – I looked it it and I WILL NOT do it, why the hell should I, he ain’t my husband, he can go blow.

  176. http://www.cdc.gov/eis/about/about.htm

    Is this the department looking into to Morgellons Syndrome?

  177. Kick his sorry ass out of there, then. How’s that sound? Nah, I was just kiddin’. If you’re under the same roof, and it’s a royal pain in the arse to put up with his drinking, though, I would think some support couldn’t hurt ya any. But, I don’t know what’s it like. I only thought of it as a suggestion. I think it would be way too hard to handle living with an alcoholic.

  178. It surrreee is.

    I told him I’m ready to BEAT the truth out of him about THIS!! He tried to close the lid on the computer, but I told him to get back in his friggin box and I will deal with him in a minute. He has had many opportunities to help me with my research, but no he did not, why is that??

  179. Oh I can’t kick him out, this is his house.

  180. No, that CDC link wasn’t who’s looking into “morgellons disease”. I really gotta go to bed. Here is a link where you can scroll down through their task force list, and go through all the pages on it, to see if “morgellons disease” is on any of them, if ya wanna. Catch ya later.

    http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?action=search&queryText=+morgellons%27+task+force&x=0&y=0

  181. Yes I am really trapped aren’t I.

    I could go home to my folks, but that is hard for a grown woman like myself. They need their lifes, you know what I mean. They don’t know half of this shit, they would sure lock me away, second thoughts no they wouldn’t – they would lock him away.

  182. Michael comment:
    What is the MRF doing anyway? Seems like the NMO has taken over. Was Chas the power behind the throne?
    WOW DID YOU LIGHT BULB FINALLY COME ON????

    SarachConnor comment: Texastar – you are not Cindy Casey are you?
    NO THIS IS NOT CINDY CASEY AT ALL!!!!

  183. Why so many secrets happening here?

    Show me the figures of people with the fibers. I feel kinda pushed in a corner here.

  184. Michael comment:
    What is the MRF doing anyway? Seems like the NMO has taken over. Was Chas the power behind the throne?
    WOW DID YOU LIGHT BULB FINALLY COME ON????

    Chas & Mary L are you saying?

  185. You lot SUCK!! Come out when you friggin feel like it hey, just for yourselves, how long has this shit gone on – Too friggin long!!

    I have had enough, enough, alright.

    I’m on to you idiots – I will figure this damn thing out you know.

  186. http://www.abc.net.au/health/features/birdflu/
    http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1737677.htm?health

    I know I get angry, maybe I have bird flu, I have been saying that for 3 years, I am full of feathers.

  187. I didn’t have animal pets to enjoy. but here is my favorite doll.

    http://www.dollcorner.com/ashton_drake/mrs_beasley_b_ad.jpg

    nice to see you back texasrose. did you enjoy the tennis matches? no one killed any snakes did they?

    be sure the seat is down on your throne.

  188. Texastar – what an ulgy looking doll!! Is she married to Mr Kim Beasley here in Aussie.

  189. You are ALL crazy – good night!!

  190. I have one small comment to contribute to this discussion. It has been said over and over again, ad nauseum that people should not self-diagnose. I agree with that 100%. What I do NOT understand is why there are so many people here that are “other” diagnosing. How is it that other people putting symptoms together to suggest a “cause” to someone is worse than those same people diagnosing themselves? To me it’s the same. Why does no one see this as an issue? It seems quite hypocritical to me.

  191. Michael, Tall-Cotton, Jeeze-Louize and Smileykins are all the same person. There is no way four different individuals monitor this site all of the time. It is likely a Bill Gates wannabe or else a bald fat guy getting paid to do this. Better luck on your next job fella.

  192. Good morning SarahC – About the light bulb to Michael – MaryL and the MRF would be a small website in the huge world of the internet if it hadn’t been Mr. Holman joining the MRF. He was the push behind trying to get someone to stop and research “morgellons” – Mary is a nobody that people have made into a “saint”. Just as a test run – email anybody at the MRF and see how fast you get a reply. The MRF will fade away – but the NMO will fight until they get answers to “whatever” this is.

    Also it sounds like you are having a bit of computer problem – do you have a Adware/Spyware program? If not here is a great free one that I use from Lavasoft:

    http://www.download.com/3405-8022-5153545.html?part=dl-ad-aware&subj=dl&tag=top5

    Also this is just wonderful to run a quick scan for stuff too – been using this for years:

    http://www.spywareguide.com/onlinescan.php

    Plus it looks like you are having problems with your email box – Add the following person to your Address book – it helps stop nut heads from reading your address book:

    First name: Go
    Last name: Stopit
    Email address: !go@stopit.com

    The ” ! ” keeps as the first contact in your address book so if someone trys and reads you list that first one stops them from doing it.

    JACE – AMEN TO YA !!!! Now Michael is digging stuff up over a 100 years ago, geeeee ML did the same thing :-)

  193. Michael, Tall-Cotton, Jeeze-Louize and Smileykins are all the same person. There is no way four different individuals monitor this site all of the time. It is likely a Bill Gates wannabe or else a bald fat guy getting paid to do this. Better luck on your next job fella.

  194. jace,

    ref#194

    that’s it in a nut shell or should i say fuzzball. you said it very well. black pr and not even good black pr at that.

    there are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

  195. Hey Texastar – looks like you have a beef with me. If you do please take it to emails so the professional people here can continue with the topic of this tread. my email address is: grandmaflight@yahoo.com – email any beef you have with me – will respond if I need too.

    Yes I enjoyed the US Open very much. No we haven’t killed any snakes but do have one running around the yard somewhere.

    Are you a fan of the old TV show “Family Afair”? I really liked watching that growing up. If your not then I really don’t understand your link.

    Everybody have a Great Day – see ya soon

  196. Michael – what do you think of this? hmmmmm stuff

    GAO Report Admits ‘Chaff’
    Lab Report Reveals
    Much More
    The Idaho Observer
    8-28-6

    Last May a family in Iowa contacted the office of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-
    IA) to
    report the constant criss-crossing of “chemtrails” in the sky above
    their
    neighborhood. They received back from the senator’s office a General
    Accounting
    Office (GAO) report on “military chaff” and the material safety data
    sheet for
    aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread-seven days a week for
    several
    hours each day-in the skies above their home.

    The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send
    false radar
    images. It was reported that the military also has lead-based chaff,
    but that it
    is not being used at this time. Chaff was used by the military in
    Europe in WWII
    and, according to the GAO, had been used in training here at home
    since the 50s.

    Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small
    enough to
    inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not
    harmful, the GAO
    report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies
    are needed.

    Regardless, some members of this family are very sick. On May 23,
    after a hard
    rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a
    pinkish-colored
    powder substance on the roof of their house. They then noticed the
    glittering
    substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car.
    Both
    substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.

    Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that
    should simply
    not be there:

    6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

    9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

    26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver,
    uranium and zinc

    4 molds and fungi

    7 viruses

    2 cancers

    2 vaccines

    2 sedatives

    Over the last several months, The IO has received a significant
    increase in
    chemtrail-related calls and letters. Most report a dramatic increase
    in
    chemtrail “spraying” activity in their areas; some are reporting the
    development
    of chronic flu-like symptoms, chronic fatigue and body aches that
    they have
    never before experienced.

    We intend to expound upon this subject in greater detail-hopefully
    next month.

    If you are seeing the relationship between accelerated chemtrail
    spraying in
    your area and symptoms among friends, family and members of your
    community,
    begin writing it down and send the information to us by mail or
    email. Note
    times, dates and specific symptoms. If you live near a military
    installation,
    expect that you are being “sprayed.” You may want to contact your
    senator or rep
    and, politely (that is how you get the information you are seeking)
    request the
    forwarding of any information that may be available on the military
    chaff being
    used in your area. After obtaining relevant documents from your rep
    or senator,
    consider using it to obtain epidemiological data from your local
    health
    department.

    The Idaho Observer
    P.O. Box 457
    Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869
    Phone: 208-255-2307
    observer@…

    http://idaho- observer. com
    http://proliberty. com/observer/

    http://www.rense. com/general73/ chaff.htm

  197. Jace, where are people diagnosing? People are just pointing out there are other conditions that fit the symptoms. As far as I can tell, the advice that has been given is to discuss your condition with your doctor, and keep an open mind. How is that a diagnosis?

  198. Chemtrails? I think they are nonsense.

    Read what you wrote, 26 heavy metals? 2 Cancers? It’s pseudo-scientific nonsense. How can ANYTHING have 26 heavy metals and 2 cancers?

    I know you want to believe. But exactly what is the evidence you are basing your belief on? Clouds?

    I’d normally say this has nothing to do with Morgellons, but given the topic at hand, it does. You want to attribute your illness on SOMETHING, and chemtrails are a handy thing to pick. Just look at that long list of things, (9 chemicals!), they MUST be responsible for something.

    What next? Carpet glue?

  199. And, you took what was actually the MOST sensible bit from this thread:

    http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread11285.html

    Now at least what I was fortold of by my reptilian contact has a NAME at least.It’s now called Morgellan’s disease and has links to chem-trail exposure… ah ha! Bioengineered RNA cell transcessionthrough direct lung tissue contact (breathing) wins out after all. We were right – “Thank you, oh scaly one. I never doubt your vision or warnings.” She’s not only real, but real accurate! Those who administer the chem-trails are DESPERATE and if they cannot stop the Indigo children from being born, then they’ll make sure our DNA is faulty and flooded with the human variety of “prion disease” (Mad cow) or whatever they are creating. It seems Morgellen’s has become what AIDS was in the first year of discovery – only this time it didn’t start from tainted Hep B vacinations for the gay community in NYC.

    Just because people don’t believe you, does not make you right.

  200. Okay, maybe the word “diagnose” was incorrect, I’ll give you that. But, you’re bothered that people think they have morgellons, so you try and debunk it by mentioning the many other things it could be. How is this helpful? I think that it’s possible that instead of helping you are confusing those same people by giving them numerous other things to look up. These people are sick, on that we all agree. But why give them “new” things to look up and then believe that is their problem? My goodness, these people need help and you’re sending them on a wild goose chase in your “debunking”. It’s sad.

  201. Michael – I just found that at a yahoo group – was not wanting to believe anything about it but since you seem to know more about this from your research – I was just wanting a more “advanced” oppinion on this. I have not done any research into chemtrails so I have nothing to base what this articule is really saying.

    Sorry if I upset you. Will try and find advance oppinions else were.

  202. How is it helpful to point out that there are other causes of these symptoms?

    Jace, I encourage people to talk to their doctors about causes other than Morgellons. If they don’t think there is any possibility that anything other than Morgellons is causing their symptoms, then they will not talk to their doctors.

    The facts are, as you know, that there are a lot of things that could cause these symptoms. Most of them will remain ideopathic. Do you actually think it’s healthier for people to think they have been infected with a novel pathogen that is making fibers grow inside their bodies?

    You think me pointing out to middle-aged ladies that their formication might be a menopause symptom is “sending them on a wild goose chase”?

  203. And to the people who keep posting that Smiley, TC and Michael are all the same person- they’re NOT. Look at their syntax and diction, unless they are professional writers they would not be able to change their “voice” that much. Besides, for the most part Michael has always been respectful of me, whereas Smiley and TC have not. If you guys really want to come here to discuss morgellons with them (although you won’t change their minds), stop attacking them, calling them names, saying they’re all the same person and being generally antagonistic. They don’t respond to that, and if I were in their position and people were talking to me like that, I wouldn’t be all that friendly either. Michael has said over and over that he would be very interested in a new disease, there just hasn’t been enough evidence to convince him yet. I come here because I generally respect Michael and any good discussion always has two sides. It would be nice to have someone on the pro-morgellons side that could do something other than name calling.

  204. CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

    JACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You go girl!!!!!!!!!!

    Keep up the Great work!!!

  205. Michael, I don’t think the majority of people who come here as pro-morgellons are middle aged women, do you? Most middle aged women don’t curse and call names and play these games. I think the majority of the name callers (and those that are so antagonistic) are younger and mostly men- based solely on what I’ve read. I understand your point, always have- but you’re not the only one finding other disorders and posting them here.

  206. TexasRose,

    I’m not in the least upset. The culture that believes in UFOs, Chemtrails, Sylphs, etc., is an important part of the picture. In some ways these fringe beliefs are a driving force in more mainstream erroneous beliefs.

    A big part of your culture is that anyone who expresses some skepticism is automatically labeled as being part of the problem. I could explain chemtrails until I am blue in the face, but this would simply reinforce your belief in them.

    The same thing applies to Morgellons. Some people are resistant to the scientific process. Resistant to reason and evidence. I can’t do much about that. I’m not countering your arguments to try to sway your opinion – I’m countering your arguments to sway other people who are as yet undecided. You are lost to reason, but you help frame the discussion.

  207. Jace, I think the angry young men will understand my Menopause comments are not aimed at them. But statistics show that most Mogellons sufferers are middle aged white women. The same demographics as Neurasthenia.

    Perhaps you could be a bit more specific with your problem here, give an example.

  208. First – I don’t have any idea or why chemtrails happen. I see them in the sky all my life – so here is what I do know about them: they come out of the tail pipe of a plane, end of knowledge for me.

    But is there a chemical that makes the chemtrails? Some planes make them – some don’t. Is chemtrails made by the structure of the sky when a plane goes through it, like a cold front, etc?

    I am not saying the Chemtails is were “morgellons” came from – I was wondering and asking for an opinion on:

    1. how are chemtails made?
    2. can it be used in a military exercise fashion?
    3. why does some area’s see more chemtails then others?

    Sorry – I was hoping to maybe get a short cut here in doing my own research into this subject. It’s friday so was trying to “skip class’s” this afternoon :-)

    Ok will go and see what I can find on this subject that everybody keeps talking about.

  209. I guess the example that prompted me to post today is Sarah Connor. This lady has it rough. Yesterday she and Smiley and TC were the best of buddies, today she feels like no one is helping her. She reads all these different comments and links to other diseases and I think it’s probably confusing to her (heck, it’s confusing to me at times). Sarah, I hope you don’t take offense, and if you do Michael will erase this comment (I think) She’s really the only one who has truly stuck around and come to believe she does not have morgellons, so I can’t really think of further examples. The others launch an attack and leave. And, of course we have no idea what the people who read this but never comment think. And, BTW where do you get these statistics that they are mostly middle aged women? I seem to recall you telling me not too long ago that there are no statistics for morgellons. What changed your mind?

  210. The correct term is “contrail”, it’s a cloud formation that is created by the turbulance and exhaust from a plane, usually a jet.

    Depending on the weather conditions, (temperature and humidity), contrails can dissipate rapidly, or hang around for a while, or they can seed much larger clouds.

    The amount of contrails you see in a year depends on where you live, as the proximity to airports and airways varies a lot across the country. You will see more in Medford OR, than Los Angeles, CA, due to the climate and the flight paths.

    Someone got the idea that the more persistent contrails were actually the government spraying chemicals on the population for some reason (genetic experiments, population control, fixing elections, etc). They promoted this belief, called them “chemtrails” and it got popular.

    Science:
    http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/history.html
    http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php?wfo=fgz
    http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/SCOOL/contrails.html
    http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail
    http://www.contrails.nl/
    http://www.borderlands.com/contrails/contrail.htm

  211. Hey Michael

    If it was not talked about in this tread – please more to the tread that talked about MONSANTO – hmmmmm research:

    http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm

    OK OK Professor Michael going back to chemtrail research sorry to get side tracker on another subject course :-)

  212. Jace, see the link under

    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/25/occams-menopause/

    it’s:

    http://home.comcast.net/~usp-db/results/ResultsPage01.htm
    (Username: results, Password: survey)

    This only had 305 respondents, but of those, 76% are women, and 80% are in the age range 35-60 (the age range of menopause onset), with the highest number in the 50-54 range – the average age of menopause onset)

    It’s a self-reported survey, so not incredibly useful, but it’s the best we’ve got.

  213. Hey, I don’t like Monsanto either. They are overly litigious, and I’m against patents in general. I just don’t see that you have shown any hint of connection to Morgellons.

  214. GEEEE I wasn’t trying to make a connection to morgellons – someone was talking about Monsanto and I just found that link in my research notes so I thought I would post for the ones that were talking about Monsanto.

    Ok since it seems I am getting a ” F ” grade today in my post from Professor Michael I will say: Good bye

    Hope everybody HAS A GREAT WEEK-END.

  215. Jace, if you feel I’ve violated you, I’m sorry. Respect means something to you that it apparently doesn’t to me. You’ve never shown anything of yourself, here, that is deserving of my respect.

  216. Smileykins, chillax. I think Jace has made a number of very reasonable points, which is in itself worthy of respect. Maybe you don’t think she’s too bright, but what’s with the constant harassment?

  217. You’re right, Michael. I assume that she can help it, and that she is playing into the same mindset as “morgellons victims” on purpose. I’ll lay off of her. She’d ludicrously accused us of possible legal ramifications over suicides, when she came here the first night. Later, she accused TC & me of brainwashing people. Now, we’re accused of diagnosing. I’ll let her slide, from now on, with her respectable scab/”callus” research. I’m sorry.

  218. Read what you wrote, 26 heavy metals? 2 Cancers? It’s pseudo-scientific nonsense. How can ANYTHING have 26 heavy metals and 2 cancers?

    I quit reading at “2 cancers”. How do you spray “cancers” and what would the point of that be, given that cancers are not infectious and likely would not even survive whatever the process used to make them “sprayable”?

    I may have been born yesterday, but it was early in the morning!

  219. “Morgellons Disease Registration”

    Diagnosis by a physician: (check all that apply)

    Autoimmune disease __
    Chronic fatigue __
    Delusions of parasitosis __
    Eczema __
    Fibromyalgia __
    Foliculitis __
    Lyme disease (Borreliosis) __
    Multiple Sclerosis __
    Neuro-dermatitis __
    Psoriasis __
    Psychiatric condition __
    Scabies __

    other diagnosis ____________

    I know I don’t want to throw anybody, because they’re confused enough as it is.

    Therefore, I believe it’s correct for all the proclaimed, above average intelligence, “victims” to ignore those conditions that cause the symptoms they’have, and to focus that they’re all caused by the, yet, undiscovered pathogen of “morgellons disease”. Their doctors have obviously been dumb and just didn’t feel like doing their jobs. With enough research, like he says, Randy Wymore will find the cure for them, and the end to all their suffering.

    I hope it continues working out for everyone.

  220. Michael – I wanted to post you a link, the document was called “The Plague of Plague” by Dr Shoemaker. The link won’t work anymore. This doctor had written about being very angry that a fellow had written in the newspaper that Fibromyalgia was woman with Neurasthenia who could not cope with modern day living.

    RUBBISH!! I am still here. I have had many male friends tell me they would have topped themselves long ago, if they had to put up with all these horrible skin/fiber symptoms.

  221. I don’t know a great deal about chemtrails, but I will say that I have and many others noticed recently a lot of activity in our skies. To many small aircraft. They are already out this morning. I can not tell if these are just practice flights, hard to see the “L” plates (learner) stuck on their bumber!!

    If they are practice flights I wish they would go elsewhere, it really is annoying.

  222. People in my community are obviously well aware of problems to our crops. I was at my local shops the other day, I saw a car drive by with a big sign on the roof saying “why must drug companies have input into our crops” (not sure if that was the exact wording, but something to that effect). All I know is that my head did a full spin to read it, I was so shocked.

  223. Anyway folks I will check ya later. I’m doing good, so hang in there good people. I may not say Morgellons disease much these days, BUT I still got lots of FIBERS.

    Bye for now.

  224. Jace said…

    Okay, maybe the word “diagnose” was incorrect, I’ll give you that. But, you’re bothered that people think they have morgellons, so you try and debunk it by mentioning the many other things it could be. How is this helpful? I think that it’s possible that instead of helping you are confusing those same people by giving them numerous other things to look up. These people are sick, on that we all agree. But why give them “new” things to look up and then believe that is their problem? My goodness, these people need help and you’re sending them on a wild goose chase in your “debunking”. It’s sad.

    People believe they have Morgellons “because” they think it could be nothing else. It’s important that they recognize the fact that it could be several other things. We have pointed that out to them because it needed to be done.

    We give them new things to be concerned about, Jace, but they are “real” things, not made up bullshit like Morgellons Disease. Sure, they’re sick, but also confused… “already” confused, and You and Dr. Wymore are helping to keep them confused.

    You stated in one of your posts that the others launch attacks. But you came here in attack mode yourself. We have every right to be angry with M.L. because of the harm she is causing vulnerable people. But You and Dr. Wymore are doing the same damn thing. You’re no better than she is.

    Tall Cotton

  225. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory story (though “the smoking man” was definitely a bigger Xfiles fan than I!). I clicked on the “Sylphs” link from Michael’s post. The second link on the google search list was this: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sylphandchemtrailindex.shtml

    Sylphs and Chemtrails– two in one, I couldn’t help myself and read it. What do you know, there were some “Sylphs” sitings in the town right next door.

    I can understand a phenomenon being odd, scary, or new, but when a n unknown phenomenon is exaggerated or put into the context of the ridiculous, like chemtrails or UFOs, it loses any validity it might have had with me.

  226. SHINEYSHINS said:

    You were childish, referring to TC and me with your little smart aleck names. So, you’ve come to a “morgellons disease debunking blog”, why? To try proving that you aren’t delusional?

    JAMES SAYS:I was childish Smileykins?

    SMILEYKINS? When you sat smug-faced and self-assured, your delusional fibre-producing
    itchy-scratch persona behind you, thinking of a name that would sign your compassionate,
    factual and enlightening body of work to come, you chose SMILEYKINS?

    Were you OVER your delusional phase at this point? You seem to be quite the authority
    on this subject. Were you not told during your period of edification that you should
    not take the views of people on the internet as GOSPEL TRUTH. You realised that yeah?
    That being true, why did you choose to then become a preacher?

    Surely anyone actually taking notice of anything you have to say is taking a huge risk.

    I mean, you’re trying to convince sane people that you were once delusional and
    experiencing the same symptoms as them. You found salvation and then decided to
    devote the rest of your life to guiding people down the RIGHTEOUS path to what?

    Please remember that I have a clean bill of mental health from two doctors :)
    I did not come here to prove that. I already knew.

    You have serious issues there. I must ask, are you still seeking help for your
    mental state? I AM concerned about you.

    You call me childish. You call yourself SMILEYKINS.
    Think about that.

    Think about it some more.

    But please look at it this way: you’re in a business meeting and someone enters the room
    dressed as a clown. Hmmm… you cannot help but laugh. You cannot expect to be taken seriously.

    I mean go to a KKK rally dressed as Boy George. You didn’t get respect?
    Well I wonder why SMILEYKINS?

    Do you see what I mean?

    I’m guessing the name didn’t quite have the effect you were hoping for.
    Please read the above line once more and ponder.

    Am I getting warm? :)

    SMILEYKINS SAID:
    James, just try and relax

    SMILEYKINS THEN SAID (Not To JAMES)

    You’re here because you are a worthless piece of shit.

    JAMES: Smileykins, just try and relax.

    SMILEYKINS…I’m sorry but when I see that name I just see a sad clown face.
    A Ronald McDonald face…maybe you should change your name to
    EX-MORGIE McNOCLUE???

    That’s better I think.

    I wish you luck in your recovery.

    Anyway, Michael..please excuse me for dropping to the level of
    your two henchmen here. You at least appear the voice of reason.
    I will look through the links you posted and get back to you -
    very interesting indeed. Than you for your support Michael.

    Best regards
    JAMES

  227. James,

    I think you need to go back and reread the posts. This time try to keep it straight. Those words were mine. I’ll quote them below. I was speaking to cdcdude.

    “tallcotton Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 10:49 pm

    You’re here because you are a worthless piece of shit.”

    While your at it, go ahead and kiss my ass.

    Tall Cotton

  228. TSIHT, Maybe you could start by explaining what this site is hiding

    In fact, why don’t you just post what this site is hiding?

    Or post it somewhere else, and just post a link, so I can’t delete it.

    I’d appreciate it if you could reduce the profanity as well. Thanks.

  229. Hi Talltales

    And I haven’t even started with with you ;)

    Talltales said:

    While your at it, go ahead and kiss my ass.

    James: Well I’m just not sure where to begin after that statement.
    I know you’re not infected but does it still itch?
    Ummmmm…..no thanks Talltales..:)

    OMG…cannot believe how easy you two are ;)
    I was expecting a battle after reading your posts ….:) :) :)

    Michael…you have some work ahead of you. Their next appraisal
    should start to reveal an ankling of reality :)

    Ex-morgie McNoclue and Talltales were doing ok for a while.
    But just push a little and it all falls apart….like a deck
    of cards. Like one of your tricks Ex-Morgie McNoclue :)

    Marg, I’m just listening to you from now on.
    Talltales and Ex-morgie McNoclue seem to have lost their way.

    To both you guys/gals: I’m not interested in the cut and paste
    ‘here you go this is the answer’ approach. You cannot afer all
    believe all you read on that t’InterNet. :) ;) :)

    Michael, you DO make some sense. I do not know what your agenda is
    but compared to the two stooges you are a breath of fresh air.

    See ya
    James

  230. Michael, since I created such a disturbance among these people with…

    Comment #21: If it was a source of extreme annoyance for me, I would want to determine the cause of my itching, through going to my general practitioner and explaining that I’d like her/him to order a few tests. I’d ask for a CBC, a urinalysis, a thyroid test, a test of my blood glucose level, a liver enzymes test, and take it from there, after the results came back.

    Delete it, because there’s been fear expressed by too many (although it defies reason, especially, considering nobody has paid any attention, before, to advice), that those routine tests are going to be possibly carried out by any morgies(?), and that they’ll be injured in the process. Man, I’m sorry I freaked everybody out so badly.

  231. :)

    ankling : inkling :)

  232. I don’t think anyone railed against you suggesting tests. I’m not going to delete a post just because you think Houston/TSIHT is upset by it. He gets upset at everything.

  233. I though you wanted me to show an anklet, like in Double Indemnity. That would be wrong.

  234. #223, I did say:

    I know I don’t want to throw anybody, because they’re confused enough as it is.

    Therefore, I believe it’s correct for all the proclaimed, above average intelligence, “victims” to ignore those conditions that cause the symptoms they have, and to focus that they’re all caused by the, yet, undiscovered pathogen of “morgellons disease”. Their doctors have obviously been dumb and just didn’t feel like doing their jobs. With enough research, like he says, Randy Wymore will find the cure for them, and the end to all their suffering.

    I hope it continues working out for everyone.

    This henchman’s not up to playing warden.

  235. I only wish I were the same person as Michael. Then I would be retired, too!

  236. dude your the guy telling your visitors “You’re here because you are a worthless piece of shit. While your at it, go ahead and kiss my ass” aAnd other foul mouthed stupid responses. Now you want to play nice?

    And yes I am very upset that you find humor in others suffering.

    I know you are the same person. Marg AKA.,Smiley,Tall,Jeeze.

  237. JAMES, TSHIT,

    HAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!

  238. Post 6000 more posts between you and and yourself and laugh in the mirror.

  239. You know what folks – there are just too many things adding up for me on this side of the world and ya can all stick up ya ….!!

    Business people that say they have Morgellons – Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, & I will added Technology people, Marketing, Vets.

    No they don’t have it they just keep the fuckin sick getting sicker and make lots of money. Lets have a major gang bang money spinner

  240. THIS SITE IS A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME, DONT EVEN HOPE FOR A REASONABLE RESPONSE FROM THIS GUY. HE IS OBVIOUSLY WORKING FOR SOMEONE.

  241. You people working in the USA & Aussie who are behind hurting the victims of Morgellons – you thought you could pull the wool over the eyes of intelligent women and make them sicker, appear to be insane and crazy. Well think again.

    You think you got it all in place hey…lets just stick some fabricated names in google shall we and make a family history about them. This is a friggin crime, you are criminals and you know who you are. I don’t care if you’re catholic, C Of E Jewish whatever, you suck.

    Oh yes I forgot to mention teachers are involved in this as well.

    I don’t think some people seem to like the English, just my take on that

  242. Why is it hey that the person I share with has done nothing other than hurt me, make my illness worse, run me into the ground, all his family know about what is going on with me, but they don’t know that I am friggin dying because you arseholes are trying to make money.

    CRIME that is what it is. You will be punished.

    Did you hear me I am dying….this is not funny….but the person I live with seems to think it is, he just keeps drinkin and drinkin and makes out he doesn’t understand, why is that????

    Why did he phone MRF the first time, Why did he always tell ME to ring MARY. Don’t ya think that is strange, but then he would not come to the doctors and say get ya act together this woman in really ill and loosing fibers….no he just let me rot more and more

    You are all a pack of friggin liars.

  243. He also had to go and see my shrink, and yes he did. why is that???? He is a friggin alcoholic. I have been a healthy beautiful woman all my life, he should be the one admitted to the psych ward – not me. But oh yes I had to go in the psych ward to prove I was sick, now isn’t that friggin cruel.

    I also had this sick feeling in my stomach you know when Morgellons was connected to Texas oh yes fond memories.

    And why is it that all his friends stayed away during my suffering you know, and they felt sorry for him because he was kept at home because I was sick. He was friggin drunk, yes I was sick, but he made me the prisoner.

    So can we quit this crap before I put my boxing gloves on and bet the crap out of him, because he doesn’t know what to say…he is shitting his knickers and so he should be.

    Michael I had told Tony long long ago that I had CO poisoning from a heater, but no one would listen, he even got is damn friend to tell me that it only started in the body 28 days. I aint stupid chronic CO exposure 2 years worth, you thought you would have a party on me, fuck you.

  244. He also had to go and see my shrink, and yes he did. why is that???? He is a friggin alcoholic. I have been a healthy beautiful woman all my life, he should be the one admitted to the psych ward – not me. But oh yes I had to go in the psych ward to prove I was sick, now isn’t that friggin cruel.

    I also had this sick feeling in my stomach you know when Morgellons was connected to Texas oh yes fond memories.

    And why is it that all his friends stayed away during my suffering you know, and they felt sorry for him because he was kept at home because I was sick. He was friggin drunk, yes I was sick, but he made me the prisoner.

    So can we quit this crap before I put my boxing gloves on and beat the crap out of him, because he doesn’t know what to say…he is shitting his knickers and so he should be.

    Michael I had told Tony long long ago that I had CO poisoning from a heater, but no one would listen, he even got is damn friend to tell me that it only started in the body 28 days. I aint stupid chronic CO exposure 2 years worth, you thought you would have a party on me, fuck you.

  245. Well come on out people, time to play, time to talk because I know who you all are, would you like me to start typing your full names and addresses on the internet, I WILL DON’T YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT.

    Morgellons is a crime, you have tried to hurt our families, tried to make our families look insane, crazy, female hormones whatever, well get a friggin life and maybe give up the vodka.

  246. A direct quote from the greenpeace website

    While scientific progress on molecular biology has a great potential to increase our understanding of nature and provide new medical tools, it should not be used as justification to turn the environment into a giant genetic experiment by commercial interests. The biodiversity and environmental integrity of the world’s food supply is too important to our survival to be put at risk.

    Genetic engineering enables scientists to create plants, animals and micro-organisms by manipulating genes in a way that does not occur naturally.

    These genetically modified organisms (GMO) can spread through nature and interbreed with natural organisms, thereby contaminating non ‘GE’ environments and future generations in an unforeseeable and uncontrollable way.

    Their release is ‘genetic pollution’ and is a major threat because GMOs cannot be recalled once released into the environment.

    Because of commercial interests, the public is being denied the right to know about GE ingredients in the food chain, and therefore losing the right to avoid them despite the presence of labelling laws in certain countries.

    Biological diversity must be protected and respected as the global heritage of humankind, and one of our world’s fundamental keys to survival. Governments are attempting to address the threat of GE with international regulations such as the Biosafety Protocol.

    We believe:

    GMOs should not be released into the environment as there is not adequate scientific understanding of their impact on the environment and human health.

    We advocate immediate interim measures such as labelling of GE ingredients, and the segregation of genetically engineered crops and seeds from conventional ones.

    We also oppose all patents on plants, animals and humans, as well as patents on their genes. Life is not an industrial commodity. When we force life forms and our world’s food supply to conform to human economic models rather than their natural ones, we do so at our own peril.

  247. I’m with you Sarach. I am pissed and ready for a fight.

  248. Hi SarahC,

    I’m sorry, I was busy doing something else on another site that has nothing whatever to do with Morgellons :)

    I’m not sure what you mean by this:

    Well come on out people, time to play, time to talk because I know who you all are, would you like me to start typing your full names and addresses on the internet, I WILL DON’T YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT.

    Who did you mean to direct that to? Sometimes I’m not sure if you are referring to the regulars on this blog, or to the world in general?

    Is it today that you are going down to the animal shelter? I’m not big on cats, but I love giant breed dogs and have always rescued from the shelters rather than shopping the puppy mills. I guess 90% of the puppies that come out of the mills end up at the shelters eventually anyway. So sad.

    I certainly applaud anyone who volunteers at a shelter!

  249. Hey jeez-whatever dumbass, lets stick to the subject. Air, water earth, food “genetics”. This crap is being caused by something.

  250. The little pictures of Alice, rats and smileys are a clue about whats up.

  251. I do not mind repeating myself, as the admin of this site doesnt.

    Michael, Tall-Cotton, Jeeze-Louize and Smiley-Kins are the same sick individual. Either a Bill Gates Wannabe or more likely someone who is getting paid to do this. Likely a fat bald guy.

    Good luck on your next job fella

  252. Michael, Tall-Cotton, Jeeze-Louize and Smiley-Kins are the same sick individual.

    Pretty funny, considering that IP addresses say this:

    CDC-RESEARCH is ThisSiteIsHidingThings, aka ThisSiteSUX, aka HAHAHAHA, aka Frustrated, aka Houston.

    How’s the cybersquatting business going these days? Not so good, I guess, if you have to prey on vulnerable people to boost the price of your domain names. Hmmm, who here has a financial interest in Morgellons being real?

  253. OK that makes no sense. What causes Morgellons?

  254. OK that makes no sense. What causes Morgellons?

    Define “Morgellons”.

  255. What causes CFS? One step at a time.

    What IS Morgellons? How do you define it? Anyone with fibers under unbroken skin has Morgellons? Or do you need extra symptoms? Itching? Fatigue? Brain Fog?

  256. Smiley-Michael,Tall and Jeeze are obviously the same person. Very Sad- Who are you working for?

  257. Why obviously? Is it our common writing style?

    Really TSIHT, that’s just silly. But if you want to think that, then go ahead, it really makes no difference to the arguments. I’ll not contest the point if that makes you happy.

    Now, can we talk about morgellons? What is it? What are the symptoms?

    How do you know if you have Morgellons?

  258. CDC-RESEARCH is ThisSiteIsHidingThings, aka ThisSiteSUX, aka HAHAHAHA, aka Frustrated, aka Houston.

    Very sad, working for himself, trying to sell domain names for tens of thousands of dollars, and preying on vulnerable people to do so.

  259. go away, no one believes you. There is a physical influence at work.

  260. Michael, Tall-Cotton, Jeeze-Louize and Smiley-Kins are the same sick individual. Either a Bill Gates Wannabe or more likely someone who is getting paid to do this. Likely a fat bald guy.

    Better luck on your next job fella

    (and we are not selling anything, unlike your sales pitch)

  261. We are out. See ya tomorrow

  262. Debunker, et al, you don’t need to keep changing your user name and IP (220.124.189.36
    Korea, 211.176.9.105 Seoul-t’ukpyolsi, 221.162.156.71 Korea, 58.73.17.70 Seoul-t’ukpyolsi, 203.113.13.3 Chiang Mai, etc. etc. ), I’m not blocking any of them at the moment.

    All you have to do is be reasonably polite. Maybe make a coherent point once in a while. I WANT you to post on here. So please, don’t waste your time with slow proxies, just use your own ISP (68.201.245.223, The Woodlands, Texas), as it will work much faster for you.

  263. (and we are not selling anything, unlike your sales pitch)

    Who is “we”, besides the multiple screen names you choose to use on this site?

  264. I haven’t even bothered reading the other posts. All WE want to say from AUSTRALIA, me, the person I live with, my family and friends, we are all sick to death of this shit.

    There is something seriously wrong going on. You know I have had a lot of contact with Mary Leitoa in the past, but not of recent. I have no contact with anyone.

    I am friggin dying and you don’t give a shit. Well you know who I am, you know everything about me, well if you want to solve this friggin issue of Morgellons get your arse on the telephone or come and knock on my f….. door because WE have had it.

    PROVE ME WRONG, I dare you all, WHY am I still doing this shit on the internet – BECAUSE I CARE I am a human being, I love my family, my friends and the world we live in.

    Get with the programme people, is that what we will allow our governments to do to us. I would be far better off in Prison – at least I would be fed 3 times a day, taken for exercise, treated with maybe a bit of respect.

    I ain’t no criminal. Come and knock on my front door and give me the 20 questions. Why just let me die to save the arses of the lying doctors or whoever did this. I don’t care who is the blame, I just want this shit to stop got it?

    Why the hell am I the one to look like the prey and feel the prey yet again. I wish I was friggin crazy. Well my friends and family are shit scared for me, and you know they don’t put the tears on easy, especially the men.

    Come and ask me, stick a microphone in my face and ask me if I think there is something very wrong going on.

    The CDC tell me that this is DEFINITELY NOT BIOTERRISOM OR RESEARCH. BINGO – keys words – well thank you very much. Do you not see this NOT JUST ABOUT ME!!!!! I said that in my letter to the CDC. It was a rather strange phone call to say the least. I try to recall sometimes but I get stressed and forget will come to me. If someone kills me in the next few days well I have absolutely said the wrong thing. Oh I remember, cdc phone call – there is a lot of terrible stuff being said on the internet it is so hurtful and some people must get very scared. I told her I had fallen victim to it and still am. Is this not enough proof for you people. What do I have to do, stick my bum down the broadband cable!!

    If I am a complete crazy nut – stick me in straight jacket now…and while your at it tell that dick head in his little aeroplane to quit from his practice flights over this house and area!!!!!

    If my name was Kylie Minogue you would run for it (she is gorgeous and I am glad the lady is better), but she had cancer and that makes money. Actually I was told many times my arse was better than hers.

    BUT anyway back on the topic of Morgellons – Pull your finger out please. Do we need to keep reading about sheep with cotton furr balls in there throat.

    As you can see I have had a bit of therapy today with crying and yelling, and yes fighting for my life. This is what innocent, law abiding citizens, tax payers do, So if you think I have done something wrong come ask me. If you think my family or friends have done something wrong ASK ME.

    BUT the bottom line dickheads is that no one is this world deserves to suffer such indignity, ridicule and cruelity.

    Get with programme oh impotent ones, at least YOU have Viagra for that. Women get pinned for everything absolutely everything oh yes in deed.

    Well I have phoned the entire world practically during my recent paranoia and who should I phone now THE QUEEN because I really think that is our last hope. So if someone is gonna come blow my head off, would someone let me know so I can at least pop some pills first.

    Now do you think this is fair – Do you think I’m delusional. Quit reading those medical notes and come and ask me.

    Don’t pin Mary Leitao for this that and the other and don’t even try it on ME. We know who we are and what we stand for. We are human beings we love our families. I do not know any details about Mary Leitao apart from what I have already told you, and I have told you the TRUTH. Do I have to die to the save the arse of someones mistake, I don’t want to sue I want my life, and so do my family. This isn’t just about me.

    Maybe other people are delusional coz we have an obesity crisis theres your answer!!! pick any BUT pick one just hurry up. If you get your noses pushed out of joint I am sorry, but so would you if you knew that you have some sort of poison in your body, oh yes I have, and whoever or whatever is trying to push me and all the people around me into a corner, including my doctor, and all the medical people I have seen in the past. Now why would those descent people in society do that to me, well they wouldn’t. Neither would my friends.

    So take your little stealth plane, or whatever it is you use to press those buttons you press. It ain’t a conspiracy – its the TRUTH and that is what is so funny about this. You know the paranoia/truth doesn’t scare me anymore no fear anymore, I am in survival mode and do not care for the bad people who allow this CRIMINAL ACT to continue. I will spit the truth left, right, centre and front ways just come and ask me please.

    Oh please go ahead and google my name and surname for the ones who know me, I have already done that today – LIES you are all LIARS – just come and ask US ALL.

    Anyway gotta go hang my new space suit on the washing line – I got no choice I need some protection.

  265. Could someone please pass on a message to:

    Jane Perry
    Georgia State Health Department

    Tell her I am now at HOME and available to take her phone call. I did phone and leave a message and Jane Perry did call me back, I have it on my answer machine, So I then returned the phone call and left another message. Then I spoke to the lady from the CDC and then I HAVE HEARD NOTHING from Jane Perry. So what are we going to do????

    I got it “Occams Viagra”!!

  266. SarachConnor, I’m sorry you are not feeling so well, I wish I could help you.

    But all I’m doing here is telling people there is no evidence of a distinct disease that the same for everyone, and that people need to work with good doctors to find what works for them.

    I don’t see any evidence of crimes being committed, or people being harassed. I know you feel otherwise, and you are very angry, which is understandable, with all the stress you are going through.

    I want you to get well. I really think the best thing would be for you to simply listen to what your lady doctor is saying, and forget about all the internet stuff. Just focus on your immediate health. Anything else is like the weather, not a lot you can do about it, so why worry? Focus on getting your body into shape, not tracking down shadowy criminals.

    Goodnight.

  267. I keep going back into the past trying to figure out what the hell I did so wrong.

    You know I even said to my friend I wonder if it has anything to do with the time I was cross examined at Atlanta International Airport by Customs.

    Well I will tell you what happened – I had got on a flight from UK to USA (1992) and qantas forgeot to print on the ticket or maybe not (doesn’t matter anyway) that my plane was making a quick change over at Atlanta. I was going through customes. The lady said:

    Why do you have a German passport, I said I DON’T it is Bristish. Why are you in Atlanta when it is NOT printed on this AIR TICKET. I said I don’t know ask qantas or maybe the pilot.

    She said why do you have an Australian and British Passport, I said because 1. I am an English resident and I am also an Australian Citizen. The Australian Government will not let me back in the coutry if I do not have an Aussie Passport and the reason I have a British one is because I CAN BY LAW, and then I don’t have to worry about visas whilst travelling in Europe.

    I was cross examined to the point of humaniliation. If you want the dates/times I will give to you, I think I still have a copy of the air ticket.

    Now is this normal that this woman in customs asked me all my personal information including the person I was going to meet in Hawaii who became my future husband, but is now my exhusband. She took down all of his personal details. She even asked me if I knew how much money he (my boyfriend) would have on him. I said I have no idea he is flying from Melbourne, I am meeting him there, I have been in UK for months. She asked me the same questions backwards, forwards, all over the place. I nearly wet my pants.

    I was so upset they did that to me and made me stand in one particular spot in customs, waiting to be called into a room by another woman. I felt like I was on display.

    So Mr Government Man (cabbage head) Do you wanna dare come DEBUNK fibers with me??? Why should the CDC have the final say when they are pen pushes. That is not an insult either. They work in Administration. That is all that building is, and smoke screens and mirros.

    You think you are a law unto yourselves, well the power of the internet has brought us together. I guess I will need the Morgies Protection Programme. I will not shut up I have told you that many many times.

    I don’t care what you call it but if you keep stringing us along I think people are going to start growing another arm or leg soon!!!

    There is that damn plane again – shit he is lost!!!

  268. I was also told that the MorgellonsWatch Website was set up to look like CIA propoganda, but it is actually Government run. This was after the owner of this blog site turned down a radio interview on the X-ZONE RADIO SHOW!!!!!!

    He told them he preferred to stay anonymous and his name was Michael.

    Well my name buddy is tinker bell so go google that one… shame on you.

  269. You know Michael why is it that I can not post some links on this blog site which is EVIDENCE for Elliot’s Disease alone without even talking about Morgellons.

    Christ almighty – I even phoned the Victorian Health Department two years ago and said I think I have Elliot’s disease or Morgellons.

    Well now I am in the too hard basket because I ain’t crazy FACT, but I am sick FACT, but we can’t find it in my blood, why is that??

    So I know have to drag my arse around because my iron is 7. Wait till it gets to 5 I will blow your ears off, I don’t care about money hungrey people in our Governments. I care about innocent people being ingnored and controlled by their governments.

    Stop blaming the doctors, quit chewing on your pen and scratching your bum, do some work for a change.

    Hello that plane is back, this is so funny!!!!

  270. I ain’t hiding anything, I just got very sick and forgot a lot of things. I just hope I’m not going to die. But what I do know is that I would never in my right mind put on such a display as what you have read – if I didn’t think we had a major problem.

    Some one is sure doing a fine job of trying to screw over the USA, Mary L told me this long ago. She said to me – I think it is too late for America, well listen up, because I think it is a bit late here.

    Read on line the other day through nine MSN that Melbourne is in the next line of you know what, for the next you know what, and you think I did not near on shit myself. I don’t wear tea towels on my head. I ain’t one of them.

  271. So how are we going with this Debunk section.

    We don’t care what the name is, who invented it, or why, BUT it was done for the right reason I know that much, we have a very serious problem on our hands here.

    This topic is meant to be about Hystorical Content, NOT Hysterical as I had read before. This is NOT funny.

    So lets make history and solve this thing.

    We have an obesity crisis, diabetic epidemic, more and more cancer, lyme disease out of control, CFS which still really isn’t recognised. My mum has had fatigue alone for 20 years but she looks great, she says she just has to keep moving during the day, doing housework etc because if she sits down she will fall asleep.

    Al Gore was interviewed by Andrew Denton on Channel 2 ABC and said that America is in the shit, well we are trying to help, but no one is listening or even attempting to do anything.

    You know when I did a google on my family name I was really quite amused to discover that there are now people with identical names to my father who work in Aeronautical space and Engineering and god knows whatelse. No wonder I flipped my lid. I can’t tell my folks this, my father would fall over and die, he is dying of cancer you know.

    BUT I guess the man behind the curtain pulling his dick, sorry pressing those buttons would already know that.

  272. Hi SarahC

    I understand that you are upset and angry, until now I did not realize that you were angry with Michael and the other regular contributors to this site.

    I’m very sorry that you’re out there, alone, trying to make sense of things out of all the conflicting information you’ve gotten. It must be very difficult to trust anyone to be honest with you, or even to be who and what they say they are.

    In this case, Michael is in fact a retired programmer named Michael who lives in Los Angeles. I am an accountant (not retired) living in the Inland Empire region of California. I love dogs, love old cemeteries, hate math (haha says the accountant!)

    This is not a government website, it’s actually pretty low-rent, as Michael has said a number of times.

    Also, what is mid-day to you is middle of the night for us, so when you get no replies it’s not that we are ignoring your honest concerns, it is that we are sleeping ;)

    Today you go to the animal shelter, yes?

  273. As I said before I am spitting out the truth because it is called fighting for my life.

    The powers that be just created a little diversion, they pressed some buttons on my friend and got him to phone (not his fault), but the set of conincidences are ridiculous and it ain’t just me saying it.

    The conincidencies are even down to the timing of TV shows, where you look at the person next you and say, this is way TOO CRAZY – and then we have to laugh, because you know that WORRY is enough to make one have a heart attack.

    So stop hurting us both under this roof, we know who we are. When you have been friends with someone nearly your whole life, you look at each other and say WHY?? It doesn’t make sense.

    This affliction seems to be made to turn men against women and families against families??? I don’t know it just sure feels that way. We are living proof of this. We hurt every single hour of the day in this house because we can not figure out what the hell has happened to this world and the pack of lies we are fed by the media and the government.

    I wouldn’t bother with this blog shit if I didn’t think it mattered. The government over sees the medical profession, go talk to them.

    So if someone is using my name and my details somewhere, some how which is stopping the Government from taking this as a serious world wide matter please tell me and please send a police officer to my home and cross examine me. I have nothing on this earth to hide. All I have to live for is my life and the love for the people around me.

    If I am in training for some space station project, do you think you could have at least asked me or even told me???

    Don’t laugh – whatelse do I grasp onto when I have researched absolutely everything. I have choices yes I do – live my life – I am trying, I could die because I am very ill – I DON;T WANT TO DIE!! I refuse. So I prefer to dream about a space station.

    Sally get that helmet on girl, we’re going upppp!!!

  274. P.S. If you decide to phone please ask for Gillian. Just do a google on the X-Zone radio show, you will see my name, I am the aussie girl. Good bye. Sorry Michael I posted this firstly in the wrong spot.

  275. SarahC,

    I’m not sure I understand, who you think is doing these things to you? Here on this blog, I think everyone wants you to be well. If you feel that I am among the enemy, you are mistaken but I will not press you and argue the point because I believe doing so would be harmful to you, and I don’t want that.

    I do hope your P.S. was not your home phone number. It is a mistake to post such things anywhere on public sites. If that is a phone number, please ask Michael to remove it.

    regards

  276. Okay remove it then please. I have had enough with crack pot idiots trying to get in this computer okay – sick to death of it.

    This is no act lady okay, fed up to the back teeth. Can you not read between the lines, I am dying! I Don’t give a shit who has my information, come blow my head off then – I have done nothing wrong, but I can tell you we all got FIBERS and we are up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe. Sort it out please, I will stay away if you want. I guess I will be told to stay away now since I am spilling my heart out about the truth and just woken up to the fact that you lot were enjoying your RESESARCH on me on this blog. Well that is a crime.

    The doc from the CDC said to me you can not be part of research unless you have signed something.

    I read those 25 rules of hiding the truth – I ain’t hiding it, but someone on this blog site damn well is.

    If you can’t make a decision about “Morgellons” through what I have put forward on this blog site, well then at least I know I will have died trying.

    So for the last time this BLOG SITE IS OBVIOUSLY THE GOVERNMENT whoelse in their right mind would DEBUNK a real new disease. I told ya I came here once upon a time to shut it down, not to hurt smilykins or tallcotton, not to hurt people, but to tell the person behind this blog site to get a grip on himself and quit scratching ya balls idiot.

  277. Mr Dan Rutz did you know that you can go to your doctor and ask him to prescribe you some medication to treat your “Bipolar Disorder”.

    I can not get a pill to stop me from dying, neither can anyone else in this world.

    Is your little agreement with the Pharmaceuticals companies more important to you than human lives.

    Well we need to call on the likes of MAFer to sort you out and to finish off DEBUNKING this WEBSITE.

    **********************************************************************************************************

    Michael – you know that this website has to come to an end, and you know that the Morgellons stuff on the internet has to come to an end because you already had it planned out.

    Well think again – you can close the website, BUT you will NEVER shut up the MORGELLONS VICTIMS IN AUSTRALIA, USA, CANADA and the rest of the world.

    Have you heard enough yet?? or would you like me to say some more truth, I got lots up my sleeve, all in the name of innocent people.

    P.S. You can get a pill also I think for your penis shrinking problem, that one for sure is in your head idiot.

  278. I’m not sure I understand, who you think is doing these things to you? Here on this blog, I think everyone wants you to be well. If you feel that I am among the enemy, you are mistaken but I will not press you and argue the point because I believe doing so would be harmful to you, and I don’t want that.

    Thanks Jeezelouise, but you got to understand, who do you trust when you are left standing on your own. I am completely alone in all of this, all I wanted was for some idiot doctor to please have a look at my fibers coming out, he didn’t need microscope for my fibers.

    Why should I make a video and send it to you Michael – I have no idea who you are, but I bet you are the Government. If I did email a video to you – you would have looked at it, and then said – “Well that bitch gotta go, she really has this thing”!!!

    You know you people worked so so hard on this blog site to convince me and others of everything else, is that because I phoned the National Security and told them of Morgellons one day, when I was paranoid.

    Back to my little life and delusions for now!! I am just about to burst a butt fuse talking to dickheads with no ears.

  279. For the readers to decide on this one – Michael if you are not the Government itself, could you be the Dermatologist who harrassed Mary Leitao with emails, talking about kleenex tissue fibers blah blah and that she had no idea what she was talking about? Oh yes she did.

    Or are you the Dermatologist who pretended to be a Doctor?? I have a copy of something that might help you on that one.

    Would like some answers please from someone, havin a real purge attack happen here!!

  280. Readers – In the past I have also wondered whether this blog site is actually from Australia. Just a thought you know because I have noticed that MICHAELLLONS has used quite a bit of Aussie lingo before.

  281. Hi SarahC,

    I know that you are alone, and dealing with things beyond your control and understanding. I won’t presume to know what you are thinking and feeling.

    I have emailed Michael and asked him to edit out your phone number, just because you may get “MorgellonsAssF**ker” or any number of freaks ringing you up.

    But I’ve written the number down, because I also feel that you might just need a voice to talk to. If that’s the case, please let me know. I just happen to have a voice ;)

  282. SarahC, it is nearly 1:00 a.m. here, Pacific time. I am sure Michael is not ignoring you, but asleep. I’m only up now because I am transcribing a boatload of notes, nothing to do with “Morgellons” but another project dear to my heart.

  283. Thanks Jeezelouise – it is so strange how things just fall into place. I don’t want to accept that I could be dying. Why do I feel like someone has poisoned me and is trying to kill me. My past is really starting to haunt me. You know my ex did threatened me once I told my lawyer after settlement. My ex said it would only cost him $…. to have me bumped off.

    I know too much and I can not talk to anyone now.

    At least I am sure of two things in life now and that is “Death & Taxes”…..

    Thanks for your help.

  284. 5 – 1 = 4…

    it is saturday… anyone taking the day off?… type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type…

    busy, busy, busy…

  285. SarahConner Says:

    So for the last time this BLOG SITE IS OBVIOUSLY THE GOVERNMENT whoelse in their right mind would DEBUNK a real new disease. I told ya I came here once upon a time to shut it down, not to hurt smilykins or tallcotton, not to hurt people, but to tell the person behind this blog site to get a grip on himself and quit scratching ya balls idiot.

    Obvious to whom?

    That’s a favorite reply of mine, to people who say “it’s obvious!” I see nothing that makes this website “obviously the government.” This blog is a hobby, which is running a blog about a mysterious situation. Similarly, a person could run a blog about other mysteries, like UFOs, chemtrails, the boogeyman, how Keanu Reeves keeps getting work when he stinks, etc.

    I also am suspicious of vague terms like “government.” I always ask people, what branch of the government? Legislative? Judicial? Executive? Is it senator John Edwards? Justice Scalia? Or someone lower on the food chain, like Carol the post office employee near me?

    Finally, why would someone question a “real new disease?” Because it’s not 1) real 2) new or 3) a disease. When it is recognized as these three things, that’ll be a leg to stand on. It’s “obvious” that “Morgellons” are real old syndromes to 99% of the medical community, whether it be a person with eczema, DP, acne, etc.

    And why does it matter? If it’s real, it will be self-evident and the proof will be in the pudding, why does it matter if Jo Shmo believes it now or not?

    Not an attack on you, SarahC, but just my thoughts to so many similar comments made by a lot of different people.

  286. SarachConnor,

    You are angry, as anyone in your situation would be. You’re ill, and you don’t know why. That would make me angry too.

    I don’t know what is making you ill. I wish I did, I wish I could help. But nobody can really help much over the internet, it’s like trying to help your neighbor by banging on the wall.

    Your current lady doctor sounds like a keeper. Keep her, and focus on your health. That’s the best and only advice I can give you.

  287. MAFer Says:
    September 16th, 2006 at 6:50 am
    5 – 1 = 4…

    it is saturday… anyone taking the day off?… type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type…

    busy, busy, busy…

    MAFer – do you care to tell me what this rubbish is meant to mean????

  288. Michael – Thank you. Yes I am angry, so fed up with lies, running around in circles, it is all just so meaningless.

  289. SarachConner,

    It’s a hard balance, when you’re frustrated and feeling cornered and confused and distrustful, when you have a group of people who are invested in you and are happy to listen to your struggles, especially when the people you are actually angry at won’t seem to listen to you.

    That was a long sentance, eh?

  290. Michael-Tall-Cotton-Smiley or whichever name you choose to call yourself at the moment.

    Andreas Viklund is a programmer in Sweden that designed this site. There is way too much programing here to be low-budget. Anyone that knows html, xhtml1,javascript, etc would recognize this point immediately. Who is paying for this site? It is costing somebody alot of money.

  291. And so what if you dont like my views. I do it to spite you. Just like you, I do it like that.

  292. This site is placing cookies on your machine to track you.

    11735858.1611192665.1158209877.1158457993.1158466308.8

  293. wow things got really quiet, eh? HAHAHA

  294. Hi Jeff,

    Andreas Viklund makes free web-templates that anyone can use. He also designed the template used at http://morgellons.org (look at the bottom). There are lots of other sites on wordpress.com that use his templates:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Design+by+Andreas+Viklund%22+site%3Awordpress.com

    This site costs nothing. It’s free at wordpress.com. You could get a site just like it for nothing.

    The cookies are part of wordpress.com, nothing to do with me. But I imagine they are there just so you don’t have to type in your name every time. Nearly every site of this type (blogs) use cookies for similar purposes.

    It’s quiet since it’s Saturday. People are out doing stuff.

  295. GoDaddy.com is the host, not wordpress.

  296. The entire thing is anynomous. Why not reveal your identity?

  297. Godaddy is the domain registrar, not the host. WordPress.com is the host. Try it.

    read the FAQ

  298. Cookies are not as innocent as you suggest, they are also used to track users web history.

  299. in·no·cent (n-snt)
    adj.
    1. Uncorrupted by evil, malice, or wrongdoing; sinless: an innocent child.
    2.
    a. Not guilty of a specific crime or offense; legally blameless: was innocent of all charges.
    b. Within, allowed by, or sanctioned by the law; lawful.
    3.
    a. Not dangerous or harmful; innocuous: an innocent prank.
    b. Candid; straightforward: a child’s innocent stare.
    4.
    a. Not experienced or worldly; naive.
    b. Betraying or suggesting no deception or guile; artless.
    5.
    a. Not exposed to or familiar with something specified; ignorant: American tourists wholly innocent of French.
    b. Unaware: She remained innocent of the complications she had caused.
    6. Lacking, deprived, or devoid of something: a novel innocent of literary merit.
    n.
    1. A person, especially a child, who is free of evil or sin.
    2. A simple, guileless, inexperienced, or unsophisticated person.
    3. A very young child.

  300. THIS SITE IS PLANTING VIRUSES. DO A COMPUTER CHECK.

  301. THIS SITE IS PLANTING VIRUSES. DO A COMPUTER CHECK…

  302. MARG-

    mE AND THE bOYZ ARE ON YOU. sLEEP Well.

  303. sarah bione-dunn,

    lets establish the fact that the vested interest you have in sarah connor or any other morgie for that matter is certainly not motivated by a sincere desire to help. you clearly have an agenda here .i spoke with you last year when you were interviewing people for your study on bugs. forgive my memory , i am having some cognative issues. guess one more symptom for us dop nutcases is lesions on the brain. imagine my surprise when the doctor gave me my mri results. my delusions are pretty damn strong huh? so sarah , tell me if you don’t mind, how that bug study turned out? you did actually conduct a study about bugs right? because it would be pretty unethical of you to misrepresent the purpose of your investigation when you solicitated personal information from those who thought you were actually trying to help find answers for the morgellons mystery. you may have already addressed this issue and if so i apologize. my memory is not quite what it used to be. i would love to have a physical copy of your findings if that would be possible. i declined to participate in the interview process you used to obtain your information and am curious to see what types of questions you felt would be relevent in forming an educated opinion of what this might be. i don’t think that was actually the intended purpose of your investigation but you have clearly formed a strong opinion that this is a mental issue .
    perhaps we could get together and discuss your findings in person. i live in atlanta , about 3 blocks from the cdc actually. maybe you could stop by for some tea and crumpets. or we could meet in athens. i have a few friends in the area and visit often. you are perfectly safe of course . delusions are not contagious right? one last thing…. GO DAWGS!!!
    sara conner
    hang in there . believe me, you are not alone. about your experience at the atlanta airport let me assure you that it was simply a case of someone not knowing their job . if you don’t know whats going on just fake it seems to be the method our gov’t employees utalize. down here. it’s not the heat it’s the stupidity.

  304. blah, yawn, blah, burp.

  305. Ppy, nobody denies you are ill. Nobody thinks all your symptoms are the result of delusions. The debate here is whether there is a distinct disease shared by a large number of people who claim to have Morgellons, and whether fibers are connected to any disease.

    This is NOT a simple dichotomy between Morgellons and Delusions. People are really ill.

  306. Michael – I don’t know who you are or what you stand for.

    I will say that this computer has never had so many viruses and problems since coming to this site and also the x-zone radio website. Yes Michael I am ill and I don’t give a flying whatever about what I say.

    I was misdiagnosed many many years ago because stupid doctors thought it was easier to give me an antidepressant rather than find the cause of a real illness.

    So my iron level is on the brink of virtually nothing. How does one lift their iron level? With iron replacement BUT the best way to lift the iron level is to treat the UNDERLYING DISEASE – No one can find an underlying disease. No one can be bothered doing brain scans, or further tests right here and now to find out if I am bleeding internally and why.

    I have to wait weeks for more blood to be taken, this is not right. You people do not scare me one little bit. I am fighting for my life, this is called survival.

  307. You know I do wonder if this is a little experiment from those people involved in mental health, too many things add up for me. The mental health people in this country that I saw have all their stupid connections in the USA. Fabricated bullshit.

    Then you idiots realise we made a mistake with this girl, what do we do???? ADMIT IT THAT is what you do and find a way to get me better. I am far far to young to be dying don’t you think.

    Yes someone does track every single move on this computer and their are very smart people around me who tell me this, not I saying it to them. So pull your fingers from up your bum. Because I will know when the time is right to plaster your names all over the damn newspapers. I could be wrong, so if I am, proove me wrong and make me well and everyone else in my position. We are not DOP.

  308. To Sarah Bionedunn – Go pick on someone your own size. You come across as very arrogrant to me, I probably come across that way to you, but I think I have a very good reason, don’t you????????????

  309. Oh yes all is quiet on the western front isn’t it? Where are the likes of Tallcotton and Smileykins???

    Very cruel this is very very cruel.

    We have played along with this for long enough to proove something very wrong is going on, how much longer people, how much friggin longer do we need to do the old wolf cry????

  310. Come on out Michael – you still never answered me about many links I have posted. I don’t have the energy to discuss them with you as you know.

    Elliot’s disease it is real, sheep have it, so why is it impossible for humans to have it??

    Anyone interested in taking over from me and discussing Elliot’s Disease on this site??? It was one of the first things I discussed when researching my own symptoms. Oh yes I discussed it with my shrink and doctor at the time.

    You know I have very bad shingles at the moment. I guess if I was a male homosexual I could get treatment for shingilosis. I said that to the hospital in Melbourne when they could do no more for me – I said if I had positive HIV you would care for me.

  311. You couldn’t possibly be asleep….fallen over your tongue have we???

    I am not even in a position anymore to contemplate suicide but I was in the past after visiting this website and all the other ones discussing Morgellons.

    You people obviously thought you were dealing with a group of people with the new HIV, DOP, drug nuts or whatever, you are WRONG. Thought we would drop like flies and go away.

    If this is HIV the new strain, why the hell are we not being tested for it in this country??

    Why the hell are we not being tested for the new strain of MAD COW DISEASE??

    Why are we not being tested for the new lymphoma???

    All sounds very reasonable to me.

    WE ALL WANT ANSWERS AND WE WANT THEM YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!

  312. SarachConnor, I have no idea what is wrong with you, or what caused it. This site exists to examine the claims made regarding Morgellons disease. Specifically to examine if there is actually statistical evidence of a new disease, and if fibers are linked to any illness. This site is about skeptical analysis and debunking. It is not about investigating individual cases.

    I’m sorry you are ill, and I hope you get better. It seems unlikely that you have the exact same mix of illnesses as a bunch of other people. I think your best option is to work with your doctor to find treatments that work for you. Look after your own health.

  313. So in other words Michael you are saying – get lost and don’t come back to this website???

    http://www.health.vic.gov.au/ideas/notifying/whatto.htm

    Please have a look at this link for the Victorian Government. I think a lot of people like me fit in the category of many things on this list. Seems to me you gotta have a damn penis to get anywhere in this country, or be an arse fucker.

    I don’t need YOUR help with my health thank you. I am here to debunk you. You have NO IDEA what is going on. Get a grip mate.

  314. P.S. You still don’t wanna talk Elliot’s Disease do you?? It is related to Morgellons you know.

    I sugggest you go read up on it.

  315. Michael – You wouldn’t happen to be working for the Australian Government would you?

    CENTRELINK CENTRELINK CENTRELINK CENTRELINK CENTRELINK CENTRELINK

    They are a corrupt bunch of arrogant “a” holes ask any Aussie they will tell you. Even the Medical Profession say so.

  316. All is quiet isn’t it???

    Do you know that there are Australians registered with Morgellons Disease that work for Centrelink in Queensland??? and it is spreading around their office also. One woman is on medication for an “unknown itch” (she is not registered with the Morgellons Reserach Foundation). The ones who are registered with MRF are scared because they feel they are spreading it to their co-workers.

    So who is hiding something now???

    Our Governments don’t seem to want us to communicate do they?

    Australian Infectious Diseases refused to phone the CDC on my behalf, well that stinks don’t you think?

    My doctor said I have a disease of unknown eitology with fibers that he believes has an infectious nature, he probably called the Infectious Diseases unit and got told the same crap I did. He has also had many other Morgellons patients present to him, so has a colleague of his in Brisbane, both have had a major increaase of Rickettsiosis in the past 12 MONTHS.

    People blame their Doctors and Psychiatrists because that is who the patient deals with directly. BUT the medical profession can only go by what the Government allows.

    So who is stuck as piggy in the middle? We all are – Doctors and Patients alike.

    Rather unfair don’t you think.

    You all have your Bioterriorism Preparedness websites, well we have all emailed them we have emailed the entire world saying we have FIBERS, but no one is listening.

    You know why you don’t get a lot of people like me from Australia on your website? Because I am representating them ALL. They are TOO DAMN SICK to BLOG.

    The difference with me is I am Dying.

    My dad told me nearly two years ago – nothing gets done in this country until people start to die. That is when he told me about Smallpox and how that was once a controversial disease.

    Now my dad ain’t got time for idiots and he is dying of cancer, but he is a very smart man. So don’t you think you have enough information to go on by now??

    You are dubunked Michael.

  317. SarachConnor said:

    P.S. You still don’t wanna talk Elliot’s Disease do you?? It is related to Morgellons you know.

    “Elliot’s Disease” is basically the same thing as “Morgellons Disease”, but with a different name.

    From the “Elliot’s Disease Research Library”
    http://members4.boardhost.com/Kritters/

    Elliot’s Disease is an undiagnosed skin disorder affecting humans and/or their pets that may mimic lice or scabies.

    From the “Morgellons Research Foundation”
    http://morgellons.org/

    This non-profit foundation is dedicated to finding the cause of an emerging infectious disease, which mimics scabies and lice. We refer to this infectious disease as “Morgellons Disease”

  318. Well done

  319. One woman is on medication for an “unknown itch”

    The medical name for that is “idiopathic pruritus”, and it’s very common. Like migraine headaches, or rheumatoid arthritis. Like them it has no known cause, and does not indicate anything.

  320. hurray for us good guys The Bush family is evil. Wow.

  321. TheDebunker3 Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 8:49 pm
    hurray for us good guys The Bush family is evil. Wow

    I think you hit the nail right on the head.

  322. and this site is infecting your computer. please use caution.

  323. TheDebunker3 Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
    and this site is infecting your computer. please use caution.

    I know it is. We are trying to use caution. Someone has got into my bookmarks, all links are weak, if I manually put the link in myself it will take me to some ridiculous site not related to what I was originally looking for.

    When you call in the smart people you know who have lots of experience with computers, and even they are scratching their head, it really is scarey.

    But anyway, I am infectious also so the infection just keeps spreading around and spreading around. Maybe I should go sleep with 20 blocks, best get my rocks off before I hit the dust.

  324. P.S. A condom won’t protect you either from this. Maybe a full body one might.

  325. its not your fault. Please hang in there. I am as determined to find this cause as anyone. you can email me at txsraappraiser@yahoo.com. My mother has this problem and I will discuss it with you on a intellegent level if you wish.

    Regards

    Bob

  326. This is a not a “site”, it’s a blog on wordpress.com

    See moregellonswatch.wordpress.com

    So, it CAN’T have a virus on it. It’s exactly the same as any other blog on wordpress.com

    Like these sites:

    http://wordpress.com/

    All I do is type in articles, and moderate. Email wordpress and ask them.

  327. and there are no cookies, etc. c’mon anyone knows better

  328. Michael – you are wrong mate!!!

    This website is the one full of parasites, we have proved it ourselves on this home computer. So I would say you have a problem yourself mate, and I also suggest you get those fibers on your back looked at.

    DEBUNKED!!!!

  329. Ok BLOGSITE then, same dog different leg action!!

  330. You could be close pals with Dan the man Rutz, since you always said you had great respect for the man.

    Why have respect for a man who said he wanted to debunk Morgellons???

  331. hahahaha

  332. hahahaha

  333. I forgot to mention Michael my name is spelt

    S – T – U – B – B – O – R – N !!!!!!

  334. Dan Rutz said:

    “We need to debunk this if there isn’t anything to it or identify if there is indeed a new, unrecognized disease that needs attention”

    What exactly is wrong with that?

    And of course this blog has cookies, all the wordpress.com blogs leave cookies, all the same, and just so you don’t have to type in your name again. If you don’t like it, then you can disable cookies in your browser.

    And since I don’t host the blog myself (wordpress.com does), there is no way there can be spyware of any sort there. You are just as likely to get spyware from yahoo.com, or google.com

    These are simple facts you don’t have to take my word for. Ask anyone, ask WordPress.

    Look, I mean no harm, I’m just trying to get accurate information out there so people can make informed health decisions. I have never misled anyone.

    If you know of any errors or omissions here, then please let me know, and I’ll fix them.

  335. Scan your pc. This site is planting stuff on your pc to track you.

  336. why do you place cookies and viruses on your visitors. what is the intent of such actions?

  337. HAHAHAHA Bitch We aint even started on you yet.

    Have a nice evening

  338. why do you place cookies and viruses on your visitors. what is the intent of such actions?

    See comment #340, cookies are not mine, and are harmless, it’s impossible to have viruses on wordpress.com.

    I’ll happily keep explaining this, but I suspect your goal here is to simply distract people and scare them away. Remember only about 2% of visitors read the comments, so the only person you will scare away will be SarachConnor, and she actually seems to like posting here.

    I’d be happy to debate the evidence regarding Morgellons.

  339. What has been happening here?

    Well Michael I can tell you that after running adaware my computer detected 17 new cookies. I believe you mate when you tell me that you are just trying to help people make an informed decision about their health, also you have never been rude to me.

    I don’t particularly like posting here to be honest you know, it has brought me close to suicide in the past.

    The reason I have done it is to proove we have something serious going on. The powers that be don’t care.

    Debate evidence of Morgellons – I will happily give my evidence to anyone in this country who is prepared to take a look.

    I refuse to post samples to anyone overseas.

    I am happy to do this in a clinical setting with doctors, I am not prepared to take a look myself and take specimens. I don’t need to take a look, I just wash my face before bed and the evidence looks straight back at me in the sink – fibers!!

  340. You know the antibiotics seem to be upsetting sally a bit, she vomitted Saturday night and she has not been quite the same since. Not eating well, looks sad, not holding her body right. I phoned the vet just before, they will be calling me back soon. I am trying to get her inside but I can’t find her. My experience with pets, when they don’t feel good they hide. Anyway will wait for my lovely vet to call back.

    Michael – you know I am all out of steam discussing Morgellons. I am not a doctor and neither are you, what more can we do?

  341. See comment #340, cookies are not mine, and are harmless, it’s impossible to have viruses on wordpress.com.

    It is happening, and if it is wordpress.com they need a smack across the head.

    The person who owns this computer is just about ready to install network nanny so I can’t come to this blogsite or any other Morgellons website. This computer is running so slow on broadband, makes no sense. Also the internet will just shut down at times -especially when things are hotting up with my blogging.

    It must be the man behind the curtain pressing those buttons. He has pressed mine often enough.

  342. Vet just phoned – sal got to go back to the vet in the morning. Apparently the antibiotics should have made a difference by now and they need to check her over, temperature etc. I need to go find her, she is not answering to her name.

  343. Well just read all the posts from friday – looks like ya’ll had a SarahC week-end.

    Can we start another thread to research this week Professor Michael?

    Hint: After posting to this site go to Tools, Internet Options, Delete Cookies, Delete Temp files, Check mark Delete offline temp files and NO MORE COOKIES from this site – DUH!!
    Thanks

  344. Hint: After posting to this site go to Tools, Internet Options, Delete Cookies, Delete Temp files, Check mark Delete offline temp files and NO MORE COOKIES from this site – DUH!!

    All this talk of cookies reminds me of the talk of nematodes, genetic engineering and bacteria.

    If something goes wrong with your computer, what do you fear? If something goes wrong with your body, what do you fear?

    If you delete all your cookies, then next time you go to any web site that previously remembered your name, then it won’t remember you, and you will have to type in your name again. You may have sites that keep you logged in (like email, or a custom home page), and you’ll have to log in again.

    If you delete your temporary files, then all that will happen is your web surfing will slow down for a while, as it will have to reload the graphics from your frequently visited sites.

    Neither of these measures will benefit you in any way.

    Similar problems can arise when you apply “a little bit of knowledge” to your health – you hear somewhere that the government is spraying fibers in contrails, you hear that cotton socks are being used as a vector for a population reducing pathogen, you hear the CIA is controlling your thoughts. You hear that a new disease has been discovered called Morgellons. You hear that drinking horse de-wormer can help with itching.

    This does not mean you can’t have real computer problems, or real problems with your body. But there are many reasons for both kinds of problems, and simply picking the first, or most interesting reason you find on the internet is not usually helpful.

    Inaccurate and incomplete information can hurt a little, and it can hurt a lot.

    All I want to do here is present information that is both accurate and complete. This includes pointing out where others have given bad information.

    If there are any errors here, feel free to point them out.

  345. Great I get another ” F ” in posting.

  346. Great, now tell us how to get rid of the viruses you are spreading DUH?

  347. Jeff, I know you have the best of intentions by trying to scare people away with your “virus” story. I understand you think you are doing good by spreading this rumor. But how are people going to feel when they find there is no virus here, and there never was even the possibility of a virus? Will this help or hurt your position?

    Let’s stick to the facts. Build your case upon solid facts, and admit your mistakes.

  348. Cookies and viruses are on my computer from this site. Now admit your mistake by doing it.

  349. Some cookies are from this site, wordpress.org leaves cookies.

    Viruses are not from this site.

    This is like childish game. You can say anything you want. I can play at this too:

    You planted a virus on my blog with your comments! Admit your mistake!

    But it’s a silly game. I won’t play with you any more. I guess I should just add something to the FAQ.

  350. Ok, you claim the cookies are nothing, morgellons is nothing, anything anyone says is nothing, and you know everything. Cmon Get a grip, your not teaching a class of first graders.

    Cookies are not for auto-fill, they are used to track people. (and they are on your site). And I know damn good and well I got a virus from this site yesterday on two of my computers (which I was able to get rid of with my virus software)

    Additionally, I am aware that you are tracing IP addresses. Say that aint so too buddy.

  351. TexasRose Says:
    September 18th, 2006 at 6:44 am
    Well just read all the posts from friday – looks like ya’ll had a SarahC week-end.

    So tell me TexasRose what does that comment have to do with anything?

    At least I have been trying to help.

  352. I also hear that OSU at not conducting clinical trials. I thought that this was meant to be happening.

    Will this be the case in the future? Does anyone know what the hell is going on?

    Some people are under the impression that Randy Wymore and Cliff Michelson are our only hope, well I would love to hear if this is true.

  353. Of course this site follows where you go. Don’t need to be Einstein to figure that one out.

  354. So where are we up to with Morgellons??

    Why not call it the damn Plague maybe then something will be done.

  355. Michael – your picture appears to be a rat. Does that mean you are a rat??

  356. Cookies are not for auto-fill

    So, why does the (server side) auto-fill stop working after you delete your cookies?

    I’m not going to spend any more time explaining cookies. Here, read up on them:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie

    Cookies are also subject to a number of misconceptions, mostly based on the erroneous notion that they are computer programs. In fact, cookies are simple pieces of data unable to perform any operation by themselves. In particular, they are neither spyware nor viruses, despite the detection of cookies from certain sites by many anti-spyware products.

    If you don’t like my cookies, then just turn them off.

    Ok, you claim the cookies are nothing, morgellons is nothing, anything anyone says is nothing

    No, I claim that the evidence indicates that: 1. The fibers are environmental and unrelated to any illness. 2. Morgellons is not a distinct disease 3. “Sufferers” have a mixed variety of physical and/or mental illnesses.

    I am aware that you are tracing IP addresses. Say that aint so too buddy.

    My stats tracker (sitemeter.com) does that automatically, so it can display the location of visitors, like this:

    1     71.236.130.217     United States     2:24:37 pm    1    0:00
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/photos/
    2     Level3.net     South Boardman, Michigan     2:22:33 pm    1    0:00
    unknown
    3     comcast.net     Stockton, California     2:11:30 pm    1    0:00
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/tag/photos/
    4     210.150.125.195     Japan     2:09:47 pm    1    0:00
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress…m/2006/09/14/hystorical-context/
    5     144.133.84.76     Box Hill, Victoria     2:24:26 pm    15    14:51
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/09/14/hystorical-context/
    6     twtelecom.net     Tucson, Arizona     2:14:02 pm    8    4:52
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/about/
    7     64.163.129.140     San Jose, California     2:09:05 pm    1    0:00
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/tag/medical-professional/
    8     pacbell.net     San Francisco, California     2:17:52 pm    11    74:01
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/09/14/hystorical-context/

  357. So why don’t you shut down the damn site then, so we can all get on with our miserable lives.

  358. So what does all that rubbish up there mean Michael. I am not a computer expert.

    Are you the MRF trying to debunk your way out of this?

  359. It’s a Chinchilla.

    Just don’t read the site, if you don’t like it. Why are you here?

  360. Am I the MRF? Is that a serious question?

    The “rubbish” is the 8 people who were viewing this site at 2:24 Pacific, #5 is you, 144.133.84.76 is your IP address, Box Hill is the location of your ISP, or a sub-office. 15 is the number of page views. 14:51 is how long you’ve been on.

    There is nothing unusual about this. This information is a standard log file that every web site in the world has. It’s just an automatic function of the stats tracker.

  361. Ok, I have to ask the obvious question …

    Why would anyone continue visiting a site they believe to be virus-infested and tracking their online activity?

    I know I wouldn’t.

  362. Ok then – you are an idiot – Mr Chinchilla or should I call you MR TERRORIST. Get lost.

  363. SarachConnor (abac68) Says
    1. Are you the MRF trying to debunk your way out of this?
    OH MY GOODNESS – SARACHC GO BACK TO BED THEN START THE DAY AGAIN – TO FIG’N FUNNY!!!!

    THANK YOU FOR A GREAT LAUGHT AND KOOL-AID ALMOST SPRAYED ON MY MONITOR LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    2. So tell me TexasRose what does that comment have to do with anything?
    Go back and read your post after post after post and email me the sentence’s that state any help? All I read was not positive at all or much help.
    Good question Jeezelouise: Why would anyone continue visiting a site they believe to be virus-infested and tracking their online activity? MAYBE because they are stupid – Want some REALLY good Spyware – go over to MYSPACE.COM – NOW there is a place to give you spyware!!!!!!!!
    SarahC get some coffee and smell some flowers – I hope you have a great day!! THINK POSITIVE!!!

  364. Get fucked

  365. Sarah your above comment is a lot of help, never thought about that idea, dang why didn’t you tell me that tip a long time ago – Thanks will look into it.

    Boy you are trying to help per your post at #357 (At least I have been trying to help.)

  366. TexasRose – I just thought I would pop back for some more viruses and TRACKING COOKIES on my PC.

    You need to get a grip, you all do. Call yourselves adults – NOT.

    You lot need reporting.

    And here you go just for you TexasNose – FUCK OFF BITCH!!!

  367. You are all probably damn terriorist anyway, probably half the CDC and the whitehouse too.

  368. Sara

    You have to think positive!! Negative feelings all the time will make you feel worse!! Everyday I wake up to Spinal pain – I don’t agree with pain pills or any other medical meds – but I keep a positive mind to over come the pain.

    You need to stay positive and look on the bright side of things – I was trying to let you see I took your “two word” statement and turned it into something positive.

  369. You are all full of shit ok.

    If this was a serious infectious disease wouldn’t you think something would have been done sooner??

    You lot in the USA need your heads read, whatelse am I to think, on one gives a shit, no one is doing anything.

    Do you hear from MRF or OSU? I don’t. Games that is all it is games, well they picked on the wrong person to have games with let me tell you that one.

  370. So no more smellycans or TC hey?

    Doesn’t matter where I go on this computer anymore you arse holes follow me everywhere, every Morgellons website does the same.

    So what do we do now??

    I don’t give a rats bum, this disease is sending my crazy so I will act crazy. FUCK OFF!!

  371. If this was a serious infectious disease wouldn’t you think something would have been done sooner??

    Yes I would.

    Nobody is playing games with you SarachConnor, you choose to come here. I want you to get well, and if it makes you unhappy to read and post here, then you should not. If you feel a game is being played, then all you ahve to do is not take part. Go and live your own life.

    Your anger is understandable, but is not helping.

  372. Well Michael I can see what you are saying, but I would like to be able to bring the truth to the forefront. If the MRF have done this for a money spinner I would love to splash it all over the media here in Australia.

    Morgellons has been in my life for way too long, it will be with me forever. If you want me to stay away block my IP. Otherwise I will do what I like, told you I am crazy and have a touch of the OCD.

    Truth be known my family have cracked the shits with me – I told my mum to get a grip and stop whinging about crap. So I am a bitch and they don’t want to speak to me. Great alone once more. Have a good day people. I have washing to hang on the line.

  373. Jeeze-

    We return to prove this site is wrong. We can beat your viruses and cookies, and we can out logic you anyday of the week. And by the way, Jeeze-morge-cotton, and tall are the same person. Scan your PC after visiting this site sponsored by a sick entity.

  374. So now what, change the subject? You are not fooling us. We will find the truth.

  375. 1. The fibers are environmental and unrelated to any illness. 2. Morgellons is not a distinct disease 3. “Sufferers” have a mixed variety of physical and/or mental illnesses

    And I reply

    1) How in the hell can you make such a statement. This site is all about denial, there cant be anything wrong. Have you done any research towards this statement? Show me a clinical observation of a 10 morg’s fibres.

    2) Aids was not a distinct disease before being discovered. It has killed alot of people.

    3) Everyone knows about the cognative effects.

    Get a grip, quit placing shit on everyones computer and reveal your “True” intentions.

  376. Jeeze-morge-cotton, and tall are the same person.

    What about me? James, if you come across this, tell me what you think I should change the name “Smileykins” to, and I will do it, just to make you happy. Houston, how much money should I give OSU to make you happy? Sarach, you’re doing fine, I see.

  377. I’d like to see “one morg fiber” debunker. Yes, you’re debunking it, single-handedly, and doing a lovely job of it.

  378. we can out logic you anyday of the week.

    Right.

    Everyone knows about the cognative effects.

  379. Smiley-Tall-Marg-Jeeze are the same person.

    this site is planting cookies and viruses. Scan you PC and decide for yourself.

    If you or a loved one are experiencing these symptoms, please consider contributing to OSU. They are looking for an answer where these fools attempt to make you believe nothing is wrong.

  380. Cookies are for your benefit, dummy. And there aren’t any viruses here, regardless of what you think. Yes, everyone knows about your cognative defects. You display them proudly.

    Tall and Cotton

  381. Dude you are in denial.

    Cookies are good? Ha what a laugh. They may be good for your job but the are an invasion of privacy.

    Cookies are used to track your web activity. That means 4th ammendment attempts to illegal search and seizure.

  382. Oh, no, huh-uh, this fool here, knows damn good & well something’s damn good & wrong. The answer’s just inside your mirror, lookin’ back at ya, Debunker. Now, if you want to pay someone to lie to you, and keep going on the way that you are, then, fine. I think that you should enjoy whatever makes you happy.

  383. blah, blah blah same to you buddy

  384. Smiley-Tall-Marg-Jeeze are the same person.

    this site is planting cookies and viruses. Scan you PC and decide for yourself.

    If you or a loved one are experiencing these symptoms, please consider contributing to OSU. They are looking for an answer where these fools attempt to make you believe nothing is wrong.

  385. Smiley-Tall-Marg-Jeeze are the same person.

    this site is planting cookies and viruses. Scan you PC and decide for yourself.

    If you or a loved one are experiencing these symptoms, please consider contributing to OSU. They are looking for an answer where these fools attempt to make you believe nothing is wrong. .

  386. simple period is all it takes.

  387. damn good and wrong? you are showing your ass

  388. damn good and wrong? you are showing your ass.

  389. I’ll stop then, and thank you, for pointing that out to me.

  390. Smiley-Tall-Marg-Jeeze are the same person. Have a nice evening STMJ

  391. We aren’t your buddy!!

  392. Debunker/Houston, if you really felt so strongly about cookies, I hope you will use it as an educational oppertunity to reflect upon your feeling regarding Morgellons. In other words – if you are wrong about one thing, you could be wrong about another.

    This site DOES leave cookies on your computer. Most sites do. CNN, EBay, Forbes, Fark, Geocities, ABC, Google, Lycos, IMDB, LA Times, Yahoo, Mayo Clinic, Microsoft, MSNBC, Myspace, Nature, and WebMD, to name but a few. They all leave cookies.

    In fact, can you tell me one major site that does NOT use cookies?

    Explain again why cookies are bad?

  393. conspiracy, aint your buddy either

  394. a reasonably extundt person would expect not to be infected by a web site.ction.

  395. a reasonable person would expect not to be infected by a web site. However this site reasons that since everone is doing it, Why not us?

  396. How long has your mom thought that she’s had “morgellons disease”?
    What are her symptoms?
    Has she been to a doctor?
    Has she got any other health problems?
    Has anyone that’s been around her seemed to have caught anything from her?

  397. Smiley-Marg-Tall-Jeeze- (SMTJ)

    We have been down this road before. You are simply looking for an answer to ridicule. You are not getting that satisfaction from me. Go hit someone, kick your dog or find some other alternative behavior. See someone to help you with your anger. Quit putting crap on our computers.

  398. This site will continue to put cookies on your computer. Just like most sites on the internet. It does this to remember your name between visits.

    Either accept it, or switch them off and re-type your name for every comment. You can do it.

    Those are your options. What exactly is the problem here?

  399. Debunker2, you must be accustomed to answering questions only to have them ridiculed. Please, don’t feel that way, because most people are used to answering questions when they want somebody to understand them. We would all be interested in knowing more about your mom, other than that her scalp is itching, and that you observed an octupus-like shaped object that she pulled from her face. She apparently has some allergies to corn, too, or other GM foods, correct? I know that you wouldn’t come across the ways that you do if you wanted to be believed and understood. People just do not exhibit such behaviors when they want to be taken seriously. Surely you can consider that. If not, will anyone ever believe you? If your answer is “No, I can’t consider that”, then, what are you looking for, here, or from anywhere else, for that matter? You eluded to the fact that nobody understands the anger, a while back. Do you live with your mother, and is she mean to you?

  400. Typo: “alluded” (sorry)

  401. I want you toTRY HARD to refresh your memory, concerning when I just asked about your mom, too…

    #403 TheDebunke2 Says:
    September 18th, 2006 at 11:25 pm

    Smiley-Marg-Tall-Jeeze- (SMTJ)

    We have been down this road before. You are simply looking for an answer to ridicule. You are not getting that satisfaction from me. Go hit someone, kick your dog or find some other alternative behavior. See someone to help you with your anger. Quit putting crap on our computers.

    You’d jumped in here, remember, mad as a hornet, accusing us of making fun of your mom, and we never knew you, or her, until you blew up and got all ugly acting. We still don’t know anything of your situation. Since you were so confused then, and since you stay that way, what do you mean with those above comments? “Alternative behavior”? “Anger”? Does reading here make you feel like hitting another person, or causing injury to a pet? Get off of here, and go to a “morgellons disease” message board, because you’re on the wrong forum. You are on the wrong forum.

  402. One last thing. I don’t know you, Houston/Debunker, nor whether you’ve always been this way, or if your mom has driven you beyond the brink, thinking she has “morgellons disease”. You need to talk to somebody, and that’s real obvious, about what’s going on in your life, concerning her situation, and how it’s effecting you.

  403. Well the physical pain of whatever I have is just getting worse and so is the psychological pain.

    One of the hardest things about this syndrome is trying to get past what the hell Morgellons is. I hope the CDC make a decision soon, it really is needed for one to be able to move on.

  404. Smilykins said: You’d jumped in here, remember, mad as a hornet, accusing us of making fun of your mom, and we never knew you, or her, until you blew up and got all ugly acting. We still don’t know anything of your situation. Since you were so confused then, and since you stay that way, what do you mean with those above comments? “Alternative behavior”? “Anger”? Does reading here make you feel like hitting another person, or causing injury to a pet? Get off of here, and go to a “morgellons disease” message board, because you’re on the wrong forum. You are on the wrong forum.

    I would like to make a comment about Morgellons message boards, as you said SK go to a Morgellons message board to discuss.

    This is near impossible. Unless you are interested in a nematode in cotton!! I keep getting sprayed for just speaking my mind at Morgellons Group. If Cliff really had this damn thing why is he so damn smug all the time?

  405. We need “HOUSE”!!!

  406. One awful thing suffering from this afflication is having to take my morning medication. I have to have it with food, but I feel so sick I can not eat. I just keep running to the loo from severe pain in my stomach. Stress making the whole thing worse and of course being alone tops the whole thing off.

    Welcome to my nightmare.

  407. Alice Cooper – Welcome To My Nightmare

    Welcome to my nightmare
    I think you’re gonna like it
    I think you’re gonna feel like you belong
    A nocturnal vacation
    Unnecessary sedation
    You want to feel at home ’cause you belong

    Welcome to my nightmare
    Welcome to my breakdown
    I hope I didn’t scare you
    That’s just the way we are when we come down
    We sweat and laugh and scream here
    ‘cuz life is just a dream here
    You know inside you feel right at home here

    Welcome to my breakdown
    Whoa
    You’re welcome to my nightmare
    Yeah

    Welcome to my nightmare
    I think you’re gonna like it
    I think you’re gonna feel that you belong
    We sweat laugh and scream here
    ‘cuz life is just a dream here
    You know inside you feel right at home here
    Welcome to my nightmare
    Welcome to my breakdown
    Yeah

  408. hello….sara bione-dunn…are you still out there fighting for truth, justice and the american way? i really want to help you prove your theories. i volunteer to be your case study. you can accompany me to my doctor’s appt. on friday and explain to my infectious disease doctor that the fibers he has witnessed in and on my skin are clearly a figment of his imagination. perhaps you could also help him devise a reasonable explanation for why i am suffering from a rash of “increadibly peculiar symptoms” that he has never dealt with in the past. i would love to hear sound medical reasoning for the tiny, glowing (without the aid of any special lighting, i might add) rod-shaped objects from a non-healing lesion on my lower abdomen. i have been diagnosed with chronic lyme disease and just recently with lesions on my brain. i went from a healthy, happy, well-adjusted women that was active in organized athletics, gainfully employed with the same company for the previous 10 years and who enjoyed reading and socializing– to the physically restricted, cognatively challenged homebody i am today. i have played softball for 28 yrs. i went to college on an athletic scholarship. it has been one of the great joys in my life. i have torn a rotator cuff, had three knee surgeries and stitches in my forehead ,lip, and chin. my point being that i fully subscribe to the “play through the pain motto”. i was also in the military, so believe me when i say i am not weak of spirit or heart. this is the first season i have physically been unable to set foot on a softball field. it really drove home the fact that my body does not belong to me anymore. the pain i experience in my back is excruiciating. i experience dizzy spells if i exert myself even minimally. i have experienced shortness of breath, tightness in my chest and other symptoms with no known cause. and yes i have lots of fibers and lesions that do not heal. as someone who grew up with strawberry-type rashes from sliding as well as other wounds i can state, that these are clearly of a different nature . they appear for no apparent reason, and the “scab” is abnormal in color and texture. they can take months to heal only to come back again to these same locations within weeks of healing. some of these lesions are in spots that i cannot reach like my upper back/ between shoulder blades etc. i guess we can’t blame those on tweezers.
    sorry to go on and on, sara, but i hope you can give the above info some thought before we meet so we will not have to waste time with the basics. i’m sure that with your medical experience you can diagnose the cause of my delusions and have me on the road to recovery in no time. lets do brunch okay? say 11:30 sunday at einsteins on juniper st?
    one more thing, i forgot to mention that the only reason i got tested for lyme was because i was diagnosed with morgellons and the nurse practioner(yes, you know the one) strongly suggested i be tested because of the possible relationship between the two. please don’t comment on the above mentioned as few know the real story behind why she left texas. actually, you may know the truth behind it but you may want to keep that under your hat as it could give those crazy morgies a reason to yell conspiracy.

  409. “Conspiracy” – you better believe that one.

  410. Ppy,

    What does all that have to do with Morgellons? You clearly have something, but Morgellons is not real.

    Tall Cotton

  411. tc,
    reading comprehension is clearly not your thing huh? lets see now… fibers,+ non healing lesions +glowing objects x joint pain=….anybody? anybody? skip it tc. i am only addressing sara bione-dunn here anyway. clearly she has all the answers. oh alright tc i’ll give you one more hint…. my original diagnosis was….. anybody? anybody? anyway i guess if i gave ya an hour or two you might get what that has to do with this topic. if ya’ll want to give it another name ..well whatever helps you sleep at night tweekie…..ooops i meant to sat sweetie. so long as you understand this, the symptoms are quite real. again i volunteer my services to all you “medical experts” who would like a doctors opinion or justt a personal view. sorry to say, it aint pretty

  412. I do not know Tallcotton personally and I don’t know anything about him other that what I have read on his blog site and this blog site.

    If he believed he had Morgellons he believed this whilst taking methamphetamine, according to his story. I believe TC now takes an antipsychotic due to the fact he has been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

    When I was on an antipsychotic I felt nothing. I could not laugh, cry, or even think straight. My spirit was definitely hyjacked.

    No offense to you at all here Tallcotton, but I have experienced the symptoms of Morgellons for way too long. My mind is free of mind altering drugs. I wish I could take them, but I can not due to this disease.

    Morgellons is real, too real. I believe Morgellons to be a sign of the times. Lyme is definitely involved. I think the lyme bacteria has made its way to the skin and yes collembola is also involved. Collembola love the joints, I used to get them coming out of my knee caps in summer time when applying oil to my skin.

    I put the collembola infection down the fact that I did a lot of garding when I had active lesions. As sick as I was at the time I new I had to try to be normal. I had never heard of Morgellons then either.

    The Spirochete is an’evil’ bacteria, and it was once genetically modified by man. Nothing in this living world could be so cruel on the body and mind. It also has its close relative in another disease “Syphillis”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphillis
    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_syphilis/index.html
    http://www.cdc.gov/std/Syphilis/STDFact-Syphilis.htm

    Notable people identified as possibly syphilitic:

    Though diagnoses arrived at in retrospect from purely historical data are always open to question, it has been suggested that the people on this list below may have had syphilis.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_people_identified_as_probably_syphilitic

  413. sarah im with you
    lets fight this on two fronts
    the disease itself
    and mockers
    whom god will judge
    who make light of our suffering
    coz they r seduced by corporate dollar
    i say to smellycans and tc (dumbass psychophant)

    NO QUARTER

  414. If I was offered money to post on a blog site to debunk Morgellons I would say NO.

    I could not and will not let other human beings suffer what I have suffered.

    Michael did mention to me months ago in a private email that Smileykins and Tallcotton were nothing to do with him at all. I believe him. I believe Smileykins and Tallcotton were hired by someone else for some other reason. They could be here for numerous reasons. I have found them both to be good to me lately, but it was a real cat fight at the start. To be honest I do not let the reasoning behind why people come to this blog distract me from the truth. It did at the start, but not anymore.

    Michael is neutral in his argument and I belive this is his job as Webmeister of this blog site. I am not very good on blog site knowledge but this is what I have witnessed.

    The longer I hang around here, maybe people will start to say the same about me, but the difference with me is that I have Morgellons Disease and I know that is is real.

    People who come here to read this blog will soon be able to make up their own minds as to whether Morgellons is a real disease. No one can make a judgement on Morgellons just by reading the story of two people who thought they had it.

  415. i totally agree and i must say they r two resilient souls whos hide r as thick as their sentient iqs
    morgellons hurts
    it agonizes
    it aches
    and makes u crazy
    did u read smilykins blog saying her sores were caused by cats claws?
    thats some cat

  416. Al – The cat claw thing, I did bring this up some time back. That is why I think the story of Smileykins could be fabricated.

    I have a massive lesion in the centre of my back at the moment, and more lesions appearing on my shoulders, look like little pimples but very itchy like shingles.

    My cat doesn’t scratch me, any kitten that has scratched me in the past never left a claw in my skin. A human being apparently has life long immunity if brought up with pets from childhood. I have been hugging stray dogs since I was 3 years old.

    My vet should be infested then – if we are to believe the story of “Smileykins”.

    My cat Sally will be having her check up in the morning, and another injection since the oral antibiotics are making her vomit. My vet said he does not believe the infection under her chin with the two puncture holes to be the result of a cat bite. He said the area under the chin is full of glands and this area will become extremely infected producing a feline acne, so he said the infection was from within her body to begin with.

    When Morgellons first appeared in my head and neck, I new there was something wrong, I had this swelling like a hard ball directly under my chin. I new this was a gland at the time, but no antibiotic seemed to make it go away.

    So is my cat now a tweaker and skin picker too? My vet read about Morgellons Disease a long time ago and he never once said he didn’t believe.

  417. I went to the link below and did a search on Morgellons Disease.

    http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/states/index.html

    Below is the link which will show all the results for Morgellons Disease.

    http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?action=search&subset=atsdr&queryText=+morgellons+disease&x=14&y=7

    Below is the first topic. Interesting really. Tom Dill died from ALS January 30th 2006. Tom Dill is the late husband of Anne Dill a Morgellons sufferer, their 4 children also have Morgellons Disease

    ATSDR – Motor Neuron Disease/Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis: Preliminary Review of Environmental Risk Factors and Mortality in Bexar County, Texas
    Acknowledgments References Appendices Appendix A. Studies Evaluating Environmental Risk Factors for ALS Appendix B. Standardized Mortality Ratios and 95% Confidence Intervals Table 1. Classification of Motor Neuron Disorders Table… Apr 7, 2006

  418. The word “Morgellons” does not occur anywhere on cdc.gov

    You get the same results if you search for Jambalaya Disease

    http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?subset=atsdr&action=search&queryText=jambalaya+disease&x=0&y=0&restrict=true

    Anne Dill’s case seem sadly similar to Leitao’s. Her children do not have Morgellons.

  419. Sarah Connor,

    I do not take antipsychotic medication. It was wrongly prescribed for me for a while, but I wasn’t taking it. Then I got it removed from my regimen entirely.

    Also, I know Smileykins very well, and I know that her story is true. I can only suggest that people reread her story, and mine, for that matter, to gain a better understanding of what we have actually said.

    We work for no one and represent no one. We came here to help educate people with the truth so that more people don’t get sucked into the false belief that Morgellons is a disease. These people have very real illnesses, but they don’t have a new, emerging disease, and they don’t have Morgellons. This is nothing new or unusual.

    Tall Cotton

  420. Sarach, we all realize you, and Al, have a lot of problems, and that you can’t help it. Tall Cotton had said he takes an antidepressant and an anti-anxiety medication. They aren’t the same thing as antipsychotics. I don’t recall that I was ever not nice to you, and you recently asked both TC’s and my forgiveness, which you had, already, and we’d told you so. You and I were never in what you’ve referred to as a “cat fight”, ever. I laughed off your accusations of my being a schizophrenic dope smoking multiple personality. All of that is in the archives, so go have a look. You also did not bring anything up about when I’ve had bouts of cat-scratch fever, to me, either, other than to comment that you found it to be hilarious, since it obviously was all that stood out, for you, in my blog account. I had asked you to explain yourself, and you wouldn’t, because you were going through a state of confusion at the time. There is nothing I can do to help you understand TC’s and my blog stories, from when we’d gone through a delusional phase, and know that we’d both had delusional parasitosis. The fact that I react with swollen lymph glands, and happen to get fairly ill, whenever a couple of my cats scratch me didn’t have a role in that. Dehydration, heat rash, and heat exhaustion, and kidney stones was how I’d developed delusions and hallucinations. You’re very mixed up about your interpretations of things. Are you really dying of something? You’d said, recently, you were diagnosed with anemia and shingles, remember?

  421. I do not take antipsychotic medication. It was wrongly prescribed for me for a while, but I wasn’t taking it. Then I got it removed from my regimen entirely

    You may need to go back and read the posts Tall Cotton. I was told this often enough upon my arrival at Morgellons Watch.

    You did say you were on an Antipsychotic, Zyprexa if I recall. You said it worked for you.

    I believe you are lying and have been all along.

    Okay Michael is Jambalaya just like Morgellons or is this the name for the disease brough about by Hurricane Katrina?

    You people are unreal you know. No wonder you don’t sleep half the night, liars. Try suffering like am I know – arse holes. You just want us all to drop dead. You want to make lots of money from this website – with all your research visitors taking notes. You know the Morgellons is going to come to end, why don’t you tell us what you know Michael?

    And the shut this website crap down fuck wit.

  422. You’re all the way back to where you’d first started now, Sarach. You were told those untruths about TC. Who cares about such lies, though, and what has it to do with what you’re experiencing in your daily life?

  423. And the shut this website crap down fuck wit.

    SarachConnor, you come here because this is the only place you can have a halfway intelligent discussion about “Morgellons”. Why would you want me to shut it down?

    “Jambalaya” was just a random word. The point was that there is no reference to Morgellons on the CDC web site, so your search results were just coincidental. Morgellons is not more connected to ALS than Jambalaya is.

  424. Smileykins Says:
    September 21st, 2006 at 11:10 am
    You’re all the way back to where you’d first started now, Sarach. You were told those untruths about TC. Who cares about such lies, though, and what has it to do with what you’re experiencing in your daily life?

    TC was the one who said he took medication, he said it on this blog site.

    You are energy sucking vampires and big fat fucking liars to.

    May daily life is consumed with a fuckin disease I can not run or hide from. Ask Cliffy baby he will tell you this disease has intent, of course it fuckin does, to KILL the host – whatelse. You lot get paid to spin this shit just like Cliff does.

    Get your fucking heads from out of the clouds.

  425. On that note, I am off to bed thank you, because I have to take my delusion cat to the Vet in the morning.

  426. Yes, Sarach, whatever you say.

  427. Sarah Connor,

    I told you that I take medication for depression and anxiety. I do not take antipsychotic medication. They are not the same thimg. If I needed them, however, I would take them. Now, those are the facts, and that is also what I told you just a few weeks ago, right here on this blog. I don’t know which thread it was on, but that’s what I told you then, and that’s what I telling you now. It is the truth. Now, if you want to call me a liar, then I suggest that you point out how I have lied.

    Tall Cotton

  428. I wonder if Morgellons just might be cutaneous diptheria, it is on the rise, and I do believe that back in the history there was a mention of diptheriae.

    Then it really would be connected to the original Morgellons.

    S

  429. * In the US: Diphtheria cases remain isolated, with the last outbreaks reported between 1972-1982. Diphtheria incidence continued to decline steadily throughout the vaccine era in the United States and Western Europe (after the immediate postwar period). Cases of clinical diphtheria became extremely uncommon after the 1970s. Residual indigenous cases have been concentrated among incompletely vaccinated or unvaccinated persons of low socioeconomic status.

    http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic596.htm

  430. Ah, but is number 4 on list of emerging diseases. Read that yesterday, but, today can’t get site.

    There is this thoough.

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00040748.htm

    s

  431. Where would you be without the fibers? Think about it. Without them, wouldn’t you just be one of many people suffering from what is quite possibly a large variety of skin disorders? Would there be any reason to believe that your skin problem is shared by the other “Morgellons” victims? Could it be that your doctor’s diagnosis was correct? Not all people respond well to the same medication. Could it be that you needed to try some others before writing the doctor and the diagnosis off completely? Yes, it “could” be, if it were not for the fibers.

    Could it be that some of the stranger things some of you have experienced are the product of sleep deprivation? It’s rather difficult to sleep when one is in a lot pain or itching like crazy. Could it be that these experiences were the combined result of pain/itch/deprivation/medication/aggravation. I could be wrong, but it seems to me, that some of the wilder experiences… well, you decide. Could it be?

    Is it possible that you have misunderstood the source of the fibers? Could some of the fibers be rolled up skin cells and sebum? Could some of them be hair? Could some of them be tiny capillaries? Could some of them be elastic fibers? Could some of them be collagen fibers? Muscle fibers? Industrial fibers? Clothing fibers? Could it be that you’ve been wrong, and wasted a lot of time? Could it be?

    Yes, in my opinion, it could be, an is. I wasted a lot of time, believing a lot of things that weren’t true. I searched and searched for a pathogen that I now believe does not exist. No, it wasn’t all wasted. I learned a lot of things. But I’m 57 years old, and I don’t remember things as well as a youngster. Brain fog? It happens… maybe not to everyone, but it happens. Could advancing age play a role in your’s? Tell, could it be.

    I could be wrong, but I wouldn’t deliberately steer you wrong. Just think about it, and do what you have to do.

    Tall Cotton

  432. paging sara bione-dunn. sara bione-dunn please acknowledge…. i eagerly anticipate meeting you and engaging in a fact finding mission that will offer physical proof that the symptoms described for morgellons disease do indeed exist. i’m sure that once you verify this we can move forward with trying to determine it’s causative agent and hopefully an effective treatment/cure. that is what you want ,right sara? you’re involveme is motivated purely by your concern and compassion for so called morgies right,to spare us from our delusions. well now you have the chance to help us by describing your actual physical findings instead of offering your half baked theories and misinformation. i will meet you anywhere, anytime. but then again maybe you were never really looking for the truth. might not get paid for that huh?

  433. Ppy, why don’t you just go to your doctor?

  434. tallweed,
    you have had a few hours to go back over my previous post#415. have tou figured out how it relates yet. can you here the theme music from jeapordy playing in the background. please remember to phrase your answer in the form of a question

  435. sarah u go lady
    these peoplr r funny
    lets get richard branson on the case
    or someone
    hi tc totally contemptuous

  436. Ppy, I am not TallCotton.

    Obviously you are just inviting people to visit for rhetorical effect. A visit would be of no utility. If your doctors are baffled by what you have, then what use would it be for a Morgellons skeptic to come visit you?

    The fact that your doctors are baffled, and yet don’t contact the CDC, is an indication that they think you just have a bunch of symptoms of unknown cause. Sure, they are “peculiar”, but that just means they can’t explain them. As many as 30% of dermatology cases are unexplained. What’s so unusual about your case?

    Where are these “tiny, glowing (without the aid of any special lighting, i might add) rod-shaped objects“? Now that sounds like evidence (of something) to me. Got any photos? How big were they. Did they glow in the dark?

    What makes you think you have the same thing as everyone else?

  437. My brain is still quite alert. In fact I know a lot about a lot of things, but, I wouldn’t want to bore you.

    Here is another:
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043378.htm

    There is such a thing as cutaneous diptheria. There is a pseudomembrane involved.

    I resent the tone you have. If not the real Morgellons than how about the bucky balls. They do not burn. There is such a thing as C60, but, if you are stuck on the various methods of demeaning people, then you will never really know what is going on.

    One must open one’s mind to what is really going on. Do you know about Corynebacterium?

    Is constructed as a Bacteriophage, you know those viruses they want to spray on meat and vegetables that will kill the bacteria on them?

    Bacteriophages are being used. However, they have the propensity to create more problems, like spreading a virus. Once in contact with a host. Once inside, well there you go.

    So, maybe the vaccines we took will no longer be effective against this new strain.

    To say this is not Morgellons, might be a misnomer. If conditions are right as the evo devos have done in the environment, then it is possible it could be a similar strain as 400 years ago.

    Remember the global warming folks want to put the earth back to the way it was 500 years ago. Well, if they do that then the insects, bacterias will have to be put back and again Morgellons could raise its ugly head, or diptheria, Chagas which is similar to Morgellons.

    Just thinking outside of the box.

    I keep hearing that what we have is an old disease. So, who says it may not be Morgellons.

    S

  438. Bucky balls, like C60, are too small.

    If you have cutaneous diptheria, then you don’t have Morgellons.

    An open mind is a good think, but you still need a critical filter, otherwise your mind just fills up with crap.

  439. Michael,

    The original Morgellons was like diptheria(cutaneous bacteria).
    It is so stated in the “letter to Brown”

    So nanos are crap? well they sure are making a lot of money off it.
    The particles are altering the DNA of people, first most likely the skin.
    There is a concern about the nanoparticles. It does not take much to get in the gut if on the food we eat, or through our pores.
    Or insects carrying it. Think partial inorganic and organic.
    Have always thought the black fibers are inorganic, the buckyball constructions. fullerenes etc.

    Not crap, is here at DOE.
    shows burning temperature:
    C carbon (graphite)

    use

    WEL
    ? (3800 K)
    ? (3527 °C)
    ? (6381 °F)

    CRC

    tp 4489 °C (at 10.3 MPa)

    LNG

    subl. (3915–4020) °C

    6 C carbon (diamond)

    use

    WEL
    ? (3800 K)
    ? (3527 °C)
    ? (6381 °F)

    CRC

    4440 °C (at 12.4 GPa)

    LNG

    (at 63.5 atm) 3500 °C

    Takes a lot to burn it, doesn’t it.
    Prions and Anthrax do no burn either.

    So, could be a mixture of all that is going on including the strains of the bacilli.

    http://www.who.int/csr/don/2003_08_29/en/print.html

    MeSH scope note: A localized infection of mucous membranes or skin caused by toxigenic strains of CORYNEBACTERIUM DIPHTHERIAE. It is characterized by the presence of a pseudomembrane at the site of infection. DIPHTHERIA TOXIN, produced by C. diphtheriae, can cause myocarditis, polyneuritis, and other systemic toxic effects.

    Try thinking further than you ever have before Michael. Use both sides of your brain. It is exilerating.

    S

  440. oops smelled… oops spelled that wrong. sorry.

    s

  441. OK GUYS TO THE NEXT LEVEL
    ill just start throwing biblical texts at yas
    lets call in the HEAVY HORSES
    the long bows have all been drawn
    in the name of the father the son and the holy ghost and st peter whoo slew simon magi, i call on alll the saints, i call on all redeemed souls to cry to the lord as one in mute resolute conviction
    to bring to light the evil works of man
    amen
    now guys
    lets see ur ivory towers crumble
    i adjure the, old serpent of the deep, begone , u have been exposed as a cheat and a liar from old
    salve me Redemptor Mundi

  442. for we are not contending against flesh and blood,but against the principalities, against the powers,against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    ephesians 6:12

    that is the word of god folks
    lets ask god into the debate?

  443. I’m glad you Morgies can’t wish a real disease into existance. If you could, the human race would be extinct by now. Al, now that you’ve got one side of your mouth trained, why don’t you work on the other?

  444. I was told by Mary Leitao some 12 months back when Dr Wymore came on the seen they had found the following from patient specimens:

    Cyanobacteria, barbs like in tapeworms, hookworm, anthrax, leprosy.

    And below is a copy of a letter done by Mary Leitao for myself, which is in my medical history at a major teaching hospital here in Melbourne.

    January 26, 2005

    To Whom It May Concern:

    Please be advised that Ms. XXXXXXXXXXXX has contacted our foundation with symptoms of the disease we are investigating, and are referring to as Morgellons Disease..

    Although, our foundation was formed in order to investigate a skin disease of unknown etiology, it quickly became evident that the skin manifestations were only a small part of a systemic infectious disease with disabling symptoms. Individuals with this infectious disease typically contact our foundation because they experience skin lesions associated with crawling and stinging sensations. The skin lesions often have bizarre macroscopic fibers, which appear to “grow” from within their margins. We have completely ruled out the possibility that the fibers are textile derived or extrinsic to skin lesions.

    Although the skin symptoms torment individuals with this disease, the most worrisome symptoms of this disease are not related to skin. People with this disease almost always experience profound and disabling chronic fatigue, as well as joint swelling and/or pain. The majority of people with this disease exhibit severe symptoms of cognitive decline, which is self-described as “brain fog” or confusion. Short term memory loss, and severe mood disorders, are also extremely common in this group. In addition, there are neurological and motor symptoms, which may be confusing to clinicians. A neurosurgeon who recently performed Ulnar Nerve Release surgery on a patient with this disease, remarked that he had only seen this type of severe nerve damage in people with Hansen’s Disease.

    There is a small, yet growing, group of people in Australia reporting symptoms of this devastating illness to our foundation. The global epicenter of Morgellons Disease appears to be California, more specifically the city of Los Angeles. We will be happy to discuss this situation with you, and share research data with you as we move forward.

    Yours Truly,

    Mary M. Leitao

  445. And you wonder WHY I keep asking for answers?

  446. sarah, we need an aussie support network, dont u think?
    do u eat? i find it hard
    i really didnt want to go spiritual on yas
    but you need a wake up
    thanks tc (total corkscrew lol}
    ur incisive wit is keen for ur sleepy yank brain….
    u must enjoy those meth flash backs hey?

  447. Here is another one:

    MRF
    Morgellons Research Foundation
    A nonprofit organization
    http://www.Morgellons.org
    101 Cedar Brook Court
    McMurray, PA 15317
    (724) 942-0518
    Email: Mary@Morgellons.org
    Fax: (302) 338-0889

    April 13, 2005

    Dear Dr. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:

    Our research foundation is investigating the cause of a serious illness, which we believe has an infectious etiology. The majority of people reporting symptoms of what is currently referred to as “Morgellons Disease” reside in the U.S., but an increasing number of people in Australia are contacting us with symptoms of this illness.

    Our foundation is currently searching for a physician willing to accept one of the Australians, Ms. XXXXXXXXXX, as a patient. Ms. XXXXXX can be reached at the address and telephone number below, if you would be willing to accept her as a patient. We would greatly appreciate your help in this matter.

    XXXXX: YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND PHONE # HERE!!!!!!!!!

    The medication combination, which appears to be effective for people with this illness, is the following:
    Biaxin XL 500mg QID, plus Bactrim DS (Sulfameth-Trimethoprim 800/160mg) QID

    In the meantime, our foundation is beginning research into the etiology and pathogenesis of this illness at Oklahoma State University and will update you, if you would like. Please contact us at any time for additional information.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    Mary M. Leitao, Executive Director
    Douglas Buckner, Ph.D., Associate Director
    Charles E. Holman, Chairman, Board of Directors
    Jeffrey S. Greene, Secretary, Board of Directors
    Gregory V. Smith, M.D., Board of Directors, Medical Advisory Board
    Roy Houchins, Board of Directors
    Ken Cowles, Director of Media and Public Relations
    Morgellons Research Foundation

    The Morgellons Research Foundation is a nonprofit, 501(c)3 research foundation. To learn more about the Morgellons Research Foundation, please visit their website: http://www.morgellons.org/.

  448. al Says:
    September 21st, 2006 at 7:27 pm
    sarah, we need an aussie support network, dont u think?
    do u eat? i find it hard
    i really didnt want to go spiritual on yas
    but you need a wake up

    An Aussie Support Group – What do you think I have been doing for nearly two years, to no avail.

    I do eat and as healthy as possible, but yes I find it difficult, and I have always had an extremely good appetite.

    I have always been spiritual. Do I need to wake up? If so – just spit it out please.

  449. Hi, Al. You called me a coward, among some other things yesterday. What is the reason for all this, and what did you mean about watching me (?), and using profanity to tell me that you were asking me “nicely” to “shut up” (which is a direct command, not a request). The word. “love” was added in closing.

    Sarach, I don’t wish to create more confusion for you, but I wonder if you even know some of the things you say. For instance, stating that all you know of TC has been from reading our blog stories, and Michael’ blog. Have you forgotten telling us about Mary Leitao pumping you up with things to come here and say about him?

    Skytroll. to me, the spray on viruses that were recently FDA approved for meat and poultry lunch meats, to kill listeria, is a good thing. If I were fearful, well, those foods are certainly not hard to avoid. About 2,500 people in the United States become seriously ill with listeriosis each year, and 500 die.

    I know some of you are surely miserable, but is it acceptable, that some of you will be doing what seems like a perpetual sort of torturous game, forevermore? It may be enjoyable to some of the people who think that they have “morgellons disease”, for all we know, like a hobby of sorts. I can’t imagine it, but it appears to be that way, and it looks like a bonding experience, for many. I’m not meaning to make light of it, but that is how it appears, to me, concerning most of what I see from the “out of the box thinkers”. Some problems, as we all know, “do” require that type of thinking, but the problems that people who think that they’re suffering from “morgellons disease” have, will never, ever, be resolved that way.

  450. lol sarah
    not u to wake up
    lol i admire your utter courage
    if we were away from thes yak website
    which are obviously disinfomation factories
    who cares from where
    we, u and i have both similar symptoms and life experiences with morgellons, so, in a sense, we are spiritually connected, so if all we sufferers pray as on into the nanosphere, through to god, by elemental physics ous voices will be infinately stronger on the spirit realm, instead of many discordant cries we have one statement to make
    we need to get in touch,by mail? by phone
    i think weve shut them up for a bit tho
    rest assured we a re the cutting edge of a cure here in australia, imagine 5 or 10 of aussie sufferers jointly seeking medical/media attention, im ready to do it …are you?

  451. yes smilykins in the spirit nothing is secret
    agape love
    look that up

  452. Al, are you sure which source anything you’re putting out here, believing to be of a “spiritual” nature, is from?

  453. source?
    of course
    god
    that is g
    o
    d
    now if u read the bible a little more than the shit u spout so disingenuously
    perhaps you would understand
    its called indwelling understanding
    now
    let me go get my bible hun
    lets have at it coz i reckon ur all liars

  454. Al – Do you have my email address? Michael does have this, you can email him and ask him to pass onto you. We can exchange phone numbers by email.

    I am sorry to say that I refuse to phone anybody anymore, I would be more than happy to speak with you Al, if you would like to phone me.

    I have been ready to talk to the media for a very long time. I have emailed the media here in Melbourne for 2 years, no one seems interested. But as I said in some posts last night I do have a name, phone number of the producer at the ABC radio who knows about me, MRF and the disease.

  455. Smilyekins said: Sarach, I don’t wish to create more confusion for you, but I wonder if you even know some of the things you say. For instance, stating that all you know of TC has been from reading our blog stories, and Michael’s blog. Have you forgotten telling us about Mary Leitao pumping you up with things to come here and say about him?

    No of course I have not forgotten, and please do not under estimate my intelligence with your probing mind games.

    Tallcotton is a clear cut liar. I do have a very good memory. Oh yes indeed he did say he was taking an antipsychotic and you damn well know it, but do you think I can find that information anymore – NO has been deleted no doubt.

    So why must you and TC continually change your story, and mould it to suit the situation? I don’t wish for you to give me a reply I am just putting that there for others to read.

  456. Tell me the answers to the direct questions that I asked of you. You see, calling a person a coward, and not facing them with the reason, means precisely what, Al? Comment #458. First paragraph. You had best beware that if some people who think that they have “morgellons disease” read what you’re saying, or what you’re thinking that you’re saying, concerning religion, that you may be labeled as an exorcist. I see what you’re trying to do, and I wish it were real for you. I don’t need my Bible, and this is a “morgellons debunking blog”, I might add. Please, I encourage you to point anywhere that I, or anyone else whom you’re referring to as a liar, has told an untruth. When you feel compelled into making such claims as that, then you must back those claims up.

  457. I appreciate that Sarach.

  458. ever the legalist smilykins
    do u resile from ur claim that ur fibles were the result of embedded cats claws? deleted i guess
    excorsist? me? no..lol
    understander of hemetic laws?
    yes yes yes
    back to ur sprouts woman

  459. u sound a tad less self
    assured
    im sorry
    to
    tilt
    ur
    tower o power
    people r hurting n ur saying theyre not
    wow

  460. ok sarah ill ask Michael for ur number if u r ok with it
    im so pleased we can discuss this im in tas ur in melbourne so there is hope

  461. Are you posting from a cell phone Al? Your post are a little difficult to follow with your lack of capitalization, odd line breaks and all the abbreviations.

    You are not helping your cause. This religious claptrap of yours just makes the Morgellons popularizing camp seem a little less rational.

    Please, make some point, point out some errors, ask a scientific question.

  462. ok heres a question
    i have a path report statin i have bi refringent fibres in my upper dermis, i’ve had lesions as described 4 10 in short; i fit the bill for this insidious disease
    So sorry to upset the rigours of the Queens English. I will be observant of the strictures of grammar, and free thought.
    so whats wrong with me doc ?
    sarah and i wish to get in contact to form an aussie group, would you be so kind as to email me at Morgellontas@yahoo.com.au so we can find each other
    the techniques for quelling debate used here are, simply, profoundly despicable. I do hope that the disingenuous american psyche, brittle with avatism can understand my linguistic abberations,
    merely to say i have got no point excepting to reinforce that which i have already stated, call it what u will, it is your soul journey to take,
    simply i have morgellons.

    P.s. no hard feelings looking foward to your email, marg

  463. This is my last post. I can’t become part of this drama any longer.

    Morgellons is real, but controllable with DDT. See this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215084,00.html

    Soon, DDT will be commercially available again. It kills the nemotode responsible for Morgellons. Better still, it will save millions of lives from malaria infection and dengue fever throughout ecuatorial regions.

    Morgellons will soon be a thing of history. Thank God the FDA and other agencies understand that DDT is harmless to humans and saves people from environmental infections without harming the environment.

    This is my last communication. I wish the Morgellons infected all the best. Your relief is on the way.

    “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

  464. Al, you called me a “coward” yesterday.
    You said you were “politely asking me to shut the fuck up”, and then said, “love, al”.
    You said, “we aussies are watching you”.

    We weren’t conversing on line at the time. I saw these things that were left for me. The hallmark of a coward, is your evasiveness.

    You, and Sarach, apparently, both, may just need to think the ways in which you do, and believe your misinterpretations. I know the first night that I came across a comment from you, it was a funny remark about my cat, and when she’d broken her claw off in my neck, that I’d referenced on my blog. Read down through the comments under this topic. If you wanted to know, and you must, since an issue is certainly being made of it, just go back to TC’s and my story and read it slower. I’m at a loss with you, both. Is it that you’re trying to say that I’d claimed to have once had “morgellons disease” and that you also think that I’d claimed that it was caused by cat-scratch fever??? Holy mackerel, what’s up with you two over the past 24 hours?

    Topic: CDC Paper on Morgellons

    #77 Smileykins Says:
    July 13th, 2006 at 1:39 pm

    Oh, did I say that cat scratch fever made me ill for two months in 2002 with the symptoms of what we’ve been told is something known as “morgellons disease”?

    No, I didn’t.

    I prefaced the account of some of the unusual symptoms I’d had, as well as why I’d had them, with a health history to show that I have some similar, common, disorders that other people who “think they have morgellons disease” have, to show that they had nothing to do with the bizarre skin manifestations that I’d witnessed.

    I’m not like the morgie person who thinks that if she can’t lift a bucket of water, or a footstool, that it’s her morgies being uncooperative with her.

    I never thought anything along such lines as that, even at my sickest. So, go figure.

  465. ever the legalist ur an obsessive voyuer
    im sick damn it and if i call on god to judge the people responsible;
    and if i do it from a perspective of spiritual understanding,
    and if morgellons is proven to be a disease;
    then yes my lady u are both a coward and a liar

  466. Have at it, Al, and good luck.

  467. no quarter babe

  468. Bacillus thuringiensis and Its Pesticidal Crystal Proteins aka Cry Proteins aka Starlink aka corn. Lets hear your thoughts.

  469. Smokingman,

    That is one side of the equation.

    Thankyou and Goodnight.

    Global warming has happened before, oh say right around the 1600s.

    Good article and I agree 100%. That book was a farce right from the beginning, but some people sure made it a big deal and even wrote “Earth in the Lurch” oops the Balance.

    I am old enough to know and it was blasted to me at the University, and one could see through the lie.

    Now, the bacterial crap is at us, just like back in the 1600s.

    I think we have gone backwards a spell. Time to get out of the 60s babybloopers. Includes me. Still fighting the same fight.

    And God did not die in the 60′s, oh to some, he did not exist and those same ones still believe there is no Natural Garden, too.

    But, now those who think high tech is the answer, have forgotten about the human element.

    So, “I’ve looked at Clouds…I’ve looked at both sides now…..

    s

  470. Yep, ate some corn the other day, been sick ever since. Those crystals sure hang on.

    Yup, BT the answer to DDT. How many has it killed already? Poor gypsy moths only wanted to eat leaves.

    S

  471. If that’s your plan, Al, you will need to get a handle on your “spiritual understanding” first, and I hope you will someday come into realizing it. I don’t know what sort of religion you have, but it’s a false one, from all you’ve put out about it, on here. You’d said something about Christ, yesterday, and related some sort of nonsensical jibberish about Him being angered, or something quite twisted. The God in my life doesn’t need to be called upon to judge anyone, that’s just a given, and I pray for my enemies. Luckily, I’ve only had to do that one time in my life, though, so far, and it was something that was very difficult, since I’d never had an enemy before. I’m very sorry that you’re ill, and I can’t know what it’s like. I’ve never had health situations before, that couldn’t either be resolved, or accepted. Someone has apparently done something to you, and some other people, who are convinced that they have “morgellons disease”. That seems to be what everyone thinks. There isn’t any one disease to blame, though, and yet, you need to have there be, and to have someone make it right. Man, I am just plain sorry for that, and I wish, so badly, that you could get better. You have to be trying to understand it, though, or you wouldn’t be looking here, for answers. Good luck, Al. Sarach was about to make it there, for a while, but not all hope is lost, unless she wants it to be. Life is about choices.

  472. Starlink,

    Is that you Norman?

    Tall Cotton

  473. whew
    u guys r hard to take
    u need to read the revelation of st john
    bye now

  474. as a post script smlykns
    its sarah…..not ur affinitve derivation of
    sarach….
    we notice the minuatae
    its how we ensnare evil
    us aussies r well used to snakes
    be good now

  475. Ok I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to have an intelligent conversation. You sure blew that off quick. You want to go back to baby games?

    I’m trying to find an answer and your are playing games.

  476. Al, she hasn’t corrected me. With her comments, it says, SarachConnor (abac68).

  477. i concede

  478. Norman, just a thought. Doesn’t it help to know the question, before looking for the answer?

  479. Ok that is answering a question w/ a question. Circular thinking. Dude, get of the meth.

  480. Starlink,

    I asked if you are Norman, aka Houston. Houston never comes here looking for answers or intelligent conversation.

    Al,

    We know that Sarah Connor prefers to be called Sarah, but she posts as SarachConnor, and there has been some mixup in the past because there are two Sarahs. Don’t you think that Al is more than enough for you to worry about.

    Tall Cotton

  481. Yes Im Norman, Tallcotton, Smiley-kins, Sarah and however else you want to believe. Lay down that meth pipe NOW!

  482. Norman, I’m sure you could go to the fiber disease forum and enjoy exchanging discussions on GM corn.

  483. i 2nd that

  484. Norman!! N O R M A N !! Is that you Norman?

  485. Norman, since you’re here so much, and looking for an answer, tell us a little more about what your mother’s symptoms are, other than an itchy scalp, and a tentacled object that she’d removed from her face. How long has she had her problem? Does she have a doctor? How is she treating what she has, and is there anything that she has done to worsen, or lessen, her symptoms? Thank you.

  486. We already did that. I wont give you the pleasure again. You really should get off the meth its killing your brain.

  487. I’ve never been anywhere near meth, or anyone using it, and wouldn’t recognize it if I saw it. We have not heard anything about your mother, or I wouldn’t ask so often. What do you mean you don’t want to give me the pleasure again? An itchy scalp and the thing you’d seen her remove from her face is al I know of. Buy her some medicated shampoo and some clearasil, and that should take care of it.

  488. Well, Norman, are you aware that you want people to believe you about something, but whatever it is that you want them to know about, you’re not even sharing, at all, anything, about it? Is that logical, to expect people to take your word for something….word which you haven’t even given? Can you reason that out?

  489. yeah yeah
    pick on norman
    im with u norm

  490. Do you not need to solve your situations, but to remain in them? Please realize that I don’t wish to offend, I simply cannot understand the thinking involved.

  491. No I am not aware that I want you to believe me about anything. I am aware you dont believe anything.

  492. go read some johnathon bach
    smilykins
    “illusions” comes to mind
    i think u r way up ur own tree

  493. night all

    Tall/MOrg/Smiley/Jeese (where did that personality go?) Johnny has left the building

  494. Guys, you know that I know and you wish that I didn’t, but I’m not trying to stop anyone. Embrace your beliefs, but this is not a good forum for you to be in, if it upsets you, because truth is spoken here.

  495. oh sweet child of christ
    just give it up will u
    we know we are sick;
    we get the impression u guys r up to ur necks.
    that makes us wonder
    go back to sleep

  496. “you know that i know…”
    what sort of quasi omipotent double speak is that?

  497. We know you are sick, too, Al. You’ve done a good job showing us. Do you have physical symptoms too?

  498. Give “what” up, Al? I know that people who are convinced that they have “morgellons disease” are ill. It’s acknowledged by all of us, here, all over this blog. There are solutions, for everyone, but a person has to sort through the shit, to get to their own individual solutions, because there is not any ONE disease that is to blame for this thing that people have fallen underneath an almost literal “spell” of.

  499. Smileykins,

    Goodnight, Sweetheart.

    TC

  500. oh lordy
    im overcome…
    underwhelmed
    u ppl must be sleepy

  501. Goodnight, TC. Al, do you need a health care advocate, or can you not help the “morgellons” belief?

  502. guffaw
    oh indeed
    what witty repartee
    are u offering ur services?
    no we aussies are gonna expose the truth
    coz we are australian
    im sure you dont understand

  503. im w/ al

  504. Tell me about your story.

  505. u have a busy day smilykins
    u better get some directive from ur superiors
    i always find opponents of the truth
    a breeze

  506. Al, I mean. You can keep your’s tightly guarded, Norman.

  507. go smilykins
    try throwing away ur self help cds

  508. nanoop nanoop

  509. xxsnooz This site is boring.

  510. God Bless you

    Have a nice career

  511. I don’t have any self-help “anythings”, Al. Hoping to drive people away with hatefulness isn’t always successful, but when it is, is it always what you want?

  512. What’s been happen people?? The conversation gone to the shit again I see.

  513. Al – I sent you an email to that yahoo email address in your post above. I sent my phone number so you can call me if you like. Sound good to you?

  514. Good night.

  515. thanks sarah
    we can be better soon
    lets all keep it real now folks

  516. Is that goodnight from everyone???

  517. I hope you get better, Sarach, but I’m not accustomed to this. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, you know?

  518. The boyz at Starlink took their ball and went home.

  519. Al-

    Sorta relate to your lyrics better now.

  520. Al is a hero for speaking up. Go Al, you are a hero.

  521. thanks
    im about done
    i hope you sort it out in the usa
    i think we’ll find our way in australia
    we are a free thinking innovative country
    not the 51st state
    we are a commonwealth

  522. “we know we are sick….”

    There’s a flaw in the thinking “We know we’re sick, so, we are.”

    To say “we know we’re sick” is useless. 1-2% of the US suffers from Schizophrenia, and every single one of those people are certain that the government is watching them, or that the voices in their minds are real, or the hallucinations they see are real. Should we believe them because they say their experiences are real? That’s 300,000 people, far more than any “Morgellons” registration, so, what gives?

  523. Also, like was recently said about the exhilarating effects from thinking further than ever before, concerning “morgellons disease”, it’s obvious that it’s uncontrollable, and at the same time pleasurable, for quite a few. We know it looks like useless thinking that never goes anywhere, concerning “morgellons disease”, but still, it must be better than the effects of the heavily sedating drugs that were also mentioned just yesterday. So many morgie people deny obvious depression, blatant paranoia, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, as well. They exhibit it regularly, though, and it was reported on their “morgellons disease”registration, for it to be in the “case definition”.

    From an above ML letter…

    The majority of people with this disease exhibit severe symptoms of cognitive decline, which is self-described as “brain fog” or confusion. Short term memory loss, and severe mood disorders, are also extremely common in this group.

    From the “case defintion”…

    5.Behavioral effects are common in many patients. Many have been or will be diagnosed as Attention Deficit Disorder, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, or Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. A minority do not show this pattern. Almost all, if previously seen by well-read physicians without prolonged observation, will have been labeled as “Delusional Parasitosis”. Temporal relationship to skin lesion onset is not known.

    From ML, in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette…

    “People say, ‘Mary, you need to take a break from this.’ But it’s not like I can forget about this now. I have a lot of friends with this, and they are all incredibly sick. Their neurological problems are getting worse. I’ve got to see this through. This is a mission. I don’t know. … I think it’s fear-based behavior. It does appear to be a bit neurotic, unless you realize what is the driving force. The love of my children and the fear of an unknown disease.

    Over time, Ms. Leitao comes to think of herself as a machine engineered for one objective, denying grief because she can’t afford it.

    I would hope that she at least sought some mental health assistance for her childrens’ grief in losing their dad, but all that’s implied is that she misinterpretted their grief as being her damned “morgellons disease”. I figure they have one helluva life.

    And you know, everyone knows that doctors don’t like patients coming into their offices telling them what they think they have, even if it is a well-known condition. That’s starting off on the wrong foot, big-time! It’s the doctors’ jobs to observe their patients’ clinical presentation. It’s unbelievable to see those ML letters posted up above. That’s just added onto the shock and amazement of Wymore’s letter to physicians, and she did those letters even before him. Just look at how utterly absurd, lying, and even saying things to her friend about Wymore finding “Cyanobacteria, barbs like in tapeworms, hookworm, anthrax, leprosy” in patient “specimens. Maybe she, Wymore, and the others, honestly can’t help it, and really mean to have the best of intentions…but GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!

  524. oh smilkins
    talikn to urself again
    get a hobby
    get a life
    stop vamping girl

  525. who ever is running this website is also deleting anything they may help all who have been infected and all who don’t even know they have been infected because your body is not allergic to the microorganisms, (hybrids–biologist who cross genes of two different species, and the lipids, lipids lay eggs and are used in many prescriptions that we use and makeup and shampoos,
    there are liposomes and crystals that send signals look up liquid crystals and hydrogels, look up photosensitizing agents, you will find they are chemotherapy agents, retinoids are chem. agents and they are being used in many skin products. they cling to the helix of the dna and rna look of the patents 4877808 4603146 4423041 in a prescription cream called renova made by johnson johnson, telling women it will prevent wrinkles, they don’t tell you about the microorganis and that this cream contains chemo agents, that blurr your vision, cause dry eyes, dry mouth and dry mucous membranes and sores in your mouth as well as the propene a toxic gas. they don’t tell you that the benzoic acid in this product that causes aromatic rings cause leukemia and non hodgkins and lymphoma. they don’t tell you that lipids come from insects, silkmoths, and spiders as well as bird eggs. they created something biological and they can’t control it, they sold it to millions around the world and they created a biological organism that spins the films that are on these patients and then they will tell you that you have dry eyes and it makes you see cobwebs called floaters, the chemicals and gases cause neuro peripheal problems likea add and odd, and brain fog, they won’t tell you that the chemicals partition the membranes and allowing a host of bacteria and other infestations to come into the open pores and sores. you probable won’t get to read this because whose ever website it belongs to will delete this like it did the other two blogs. they don’t won’t you to know the truth. the fda and cdc have had knowledge for at least 5 yrs of patients complaints and refused to investigate and now the patents show what they did, and how they used innocent people as human guinea pigs and created a creature that travels in toxic gases and thrives on the sun lights and anything electrical for strength. Look up nano tech and nano tunneling as these chemical were once nano scale until a stupid physician gave a predizone shot that nade it multiply and mutate. Look up self assembly bacteria, crystals, lipids. Look up micelles and head groups and tails, spinning in hydrogen vapors. look up spin electric and and dieelectri and you will not believe how far science has gone, look chimera, look up photomask.
    before you make comments and belittle people who know they are sick and know they are being suffocated by a horrible organism, does it take the plaque and for you to be effected or a family member before you wise up and stop the immature and stupid remarks going on on this website. I printed out my last remarks, before this website deleted them, proving this site was created only for wise remarks and to make fun of people who are suffering, the sad day will come when it is too late and your stupid remarks and the stupidity of this website prevented a cure from being developed because physicians and pharmaceutical corp. prevented people from being dx. because they created it. No doctor gets rich from a healthy pt. st lukes knew what this product did, they knew all the side effects from the chemicals in this product. as i called each drug and chemical up and have 2 ft. of documentation on each chemical, and got alot of them from their website such as accutane, yet their dermatologist state on tv it is delusional.
    I thnik grown people know if something is moving on them, especially a person who never suffered before and wasn’t someone who went to the doctors every time they didn’t feel well. ignorance is bliss but for how long. physicians thought they were safe by standing back away from their pts.,
    they didn’t know how infectious this was. photos will show you if you are infected, the camera picks up the crystals and metals used and the optic fibers. Prof photographer states put negaives on a film projector and it will show you what you have covering you. call mr keith hilley from garden state pest control, 128 Claire crt. turnersville nj 08012, he seen them, he took samples to a lab, but they won’t let him report the results, he’s too scare to talk, and will allow innocent children and people and animals to suffer, because he is too scared to talk. I will print this before it gets deleted so later you will all know that this is not about the truth or about the search for a cure or is there really an epidemic out?

  526. scary though

  527. Yes

  528. Justice,

    You’re a liar. You may be sick, but you do not have Morgellons. There is no such thing as Morgellons. You are harming people when you spread this hysteria. I’ll repeat myself. You’re a liar. The so-called Morgellons victims
    suffer from a “large variety” of physical and mental illnesses. It will “NEVER” be classified as a disease. Your claims are not only false, but they are also laffably ridiculous. You need to find a good doctor and treat what really ails you. A good doctor will NEVER diagnose Morgellons. If he does, he’s either a quack or a thief, or both. While you are tending to your physical problems please take care of your very apparent mental disorders while you are at it.

    Tall Cotton

  529. “YOU CANNOT GOVERN THE CREATIVE IMPULSE; ALL YOU CAN DO IS TO ELIMINATE OBSTACLES AND SMOOTH THE WAY FOR IT” – Kimon Nicolaides

  530. Justice-

    I’m sorry, but you have misunderstood what you have been reading. Lipids are lipids- they’re fat, period. They are not alive and can not lay eggs. The lipid bylayer which makes up our cell membranes have what is called heads and tails, but it is talking about parts of the molecule, not something that is alive. Micelles are how our body gets fat from our diet into our bloodstream. Any product that uses retinoic acid (such as renova) has extensive warning labels. Yes, it’s dangerous if used incorrectly, and women who use it have to be on two forms of birth control, but this is all told to them by their doctor and pharmacist, and it accompanies the prescription. Yes, it is used for chemo, but at a MUCH higher dosage than that used for skin issues. No one is taking this without knowing the risk. A chimera is a person who has two types of DNA in their body. Something happened early in development and two distinct fertilized eggs somehow combined. You are misinterpreting the information that you feel you are gathering. I teach college level biology, so if you need help deciphering what you’re reading I would be more than happy to help. But what you’ve written above is just blatently not true.

  531. Al, aka Justice, as usual, none of your comments have been deleted. Check in the topic listed below, under #174, and you’ll find the same comment as #534, here. You’re compelled to spread any kind of lie that you can to get people with the same type mentality and fears to believe you. People who think they have “morgellons disease” always do that, too, because it’s what “morgellons disease” is all about.

    Succumbing to fear and lies of all sorts, and easily convincing other messed up people that you’re an expert on the matter, is what keeps it going along so well. You’re not in full control of your thinking, none of you are, although, in your own way, feeding the fear is your way of meaning to be helpful. All morgies think that (in their own ways), but you’re completely off the mark. Now, do you want to say that you were just fine before “neurotoxins” that were produced by the “morgellons’ pathogen” took you over? That is not correct, either, because there is another, much less palatable reason for it, and it’s one that is treatable, too.

    Topic; Doctors & Patients

    #174 al Says:
    September 23rd, 2006 at 10:42 pm

    …before you make comments and belittle people who know they are sick and know they are being suffocated by a horrible organism, does it take the plaque and for you to be effected or a family member before you wise up and stop the immature and stupid remarks going on on this website. I printed out my last remarks, before this website deleted them, proving this site was created only for wise remarks and to make fun of people who are suffering, the sad day will come when it is too late and your stupid remarks and the stupidity of this website prevented a cure from being developed because physicians and pharmaceutical corp. prevented people from being dx. because they created it.

    It’s too bad that you view us as unwise, immature and stupid, and think that we’re making fun of people who are suffering. People often come here, just like you, and cut loose on us, never failing to show what the problems is, as always. If you don’t want it to show, then let’s try, since you’re here, to focus on honest facts and not the deception of your senses. We realize that isn’t an option, though, sadly, because your reality is all you know. We have been suggesting seeing the appropriate health care provider, and cooperating with them, to achieve a return of better health. I’d asked you before if you needed a health care advocate. This is not hopeless, Al, you have just been led into thinking that it is. Your own senses did it first, and, then, it has been fed regularly and strongly reinforced.

    This has helped do that…

    Comment #56 under the topic, “Morgellons Cure”:

    Oh, and actually we aren’t working from Mary’s “bogus” case definition- the neurotoxin aspect actually came from us and was incorporated by them.

  532. you are now delusional, smilykins, i’m al, no-one else
    “Al, aka Justice, as usual, none of your comments have been deleted. Check in the topic listed below, under #174, and you’ll find the same comment as #534, here. You’re compelled to spread any kind of lie that you can to get people with the same type mentality and fears to believe you. People who think they have “morgellons disease” always do that, too, because it’s what “morgellons disease” is all about.

    Succumbing to fear …”

    im al, who is justice

  533. I have given up on trying to figure out who is who, it hurts my head.

    It is really hard when all my life lines have been cut off. I just tried to phone Mary Leitao. No answer and her message box is full. I will try her again later.

    I don’t want to phone anyone else but Mary.

  534. al Says:
    September 26th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
    you are now delusional, smilykins, i’m al, no-one else

    Sorry Al, but YOU are DELUSIONAL.

    I have said this to people for years and I will say it again to YOU….”You need to get with the PROGRAMME mate”!!!

    Either that or just go away!

  535. You know I haven’t even had a phone call from “T” to see if I am OKAY. I can see that he is at work, online, through MSN Messenger, but he can get lost if he thinks I should ring him.

    Now Al – do you think that I am delusional?? because:

    1. I am seriously ill.

    2. I live with an alcohol who treats me like shit.

  536. 2. I live with an alcohol who treats me like shit.

    ….and we have been friends for nearly 20 years, not lovers.

  537. Typo…sorry….I meant to say I live with an “Alcoholic”

  538. Al – I think you should read this. This man has helped me to here okay. I don’t know how, but I made it.

    Dear Ms. Penkethman:

    I am sorry to hear that you are still feeling some distress associated with your medical issues. While CDC is working hard to understand what the lay community means by “Morgellons” it is important for you to note that the term, as presently used, has little to offer the field of science. It is our job to characterize the medical complaints that are common to those using this term, but as we move forward with this work, it is most important for people like you to remain open minded and receptive to the counsel of health care professionals you know and trust. It is distressing to detect in your email your arrival at conclusions that likely affect your state of mind. As difficult as it may be, you must strive to pause long enough to consider the positive influences in your life, including the capacity to seek care and comfort from your health care providers, family and friends. Relief for symptoms of illness is more useful than any labels that might be assigned to the malady. That relief may include medical interventions as well as other mechanisms. There is nothing we know of under the umbrella of “Morgellons” to suggest an infectious condition or life threat. I would ask you to re-read that line and find comfort in knowing that however Morgellons comes to be defined or described, your discomfort and distress is real and deserves the most thoughtful and unrelenting attention.

    That effort will necessarily draw from your own inner strength, and your triumph can and should become for you a source of pride over adversity. You should not have to travel this path alone, but should be willing to allow your health care providers the opportunity to work on your behalf as partners in your recovery. Engage them, therefore, with a sincere desire to carefully avail yourself of their professional advantage as they will trust you to marshal your internal fortitude and thereby maximize your opportunity to heal and fully enjoy your good life.

    I wish you well in this endeavor. I know you can do it! Sincerely, Dan Rutz

  539. Isn’t it a lovely letter Al?

    If Mr Rutz only new himself the truth of my personal journey I think he would be horrified.

  540. merely i recanted smilykins assertion that i was “justice”….not me…
    please, no more threats, can you moderate please Michael, I am ill too, but I choose a way of peace and understanding, even though the veils of secrecy and mystique emanating from all sides is worrysome, I am in contact with MP’s in relation to this, I am unwell, but will steadfastly maintain MY own integrity….

    sorry,
    what “PROGRAMME?”

  541. If Mr Rutz only new himself the truth of my personal journey I think he would be horrified.

    Al – that applies to you also.

  542. Al said: sorry,
    what “PROGRAMME?”

    Al – don’t panic mate, that is just a saying I have always used.

    I have felt (and still do sometimes) like I have been programmed though…can’t explain it…but yep it happens.

  543. Wise and kind words from Mr Rutz.

  544. Here you go Michael – get a bit of Aussie “Rock n Roll” in ya mate!!!

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=DSvKbxOJxkQ

  545. THERE IS AN INSIDIOUS
    MALICIOUS FORCE AT PLAY

    LEAVE ME OUT OF IT
    BE WELL
    BE WISE
    BE HAPPY

  546. Michael Says:
    September 26th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
    Wise and kind words from Mr Rutz.

    I agree entirely. What more could he do? He didn’t have to reply to me, but he did. I am so very grateful.

  547. al Says:

    September 26th, 2006 at 5:21 pm
    THERE IS AN INSIDIOUS
    MALICIOUS FORCE AT PLAY

    LEAVE ME OUT OF IT
    BE WELL
    BE WISE
    BE HAPPY

    Al – go and see a doctor PLEASE..

  548. Just in:

    Hello,

    I have been lurking for a while now but must now come out
    of the Morgellons closet.

    I have been using a rife machine every other day for about
    2 weeks now. This morning I passed the “thing” or shall
    I say “monster” vaginally. I am not menstruating.

    I called people (Health Department, University lab people)
    and was basically told to have my doctor (who wants
    very little to do with me) send it to the Dept. of Health.
    If I do this, I fear it will be tossed in a garbage pail.

    In any event, has anybody ever passed something
    similar to this THING?

    Thanks.

    AbbieNormal

  549. “Get Set”

    We’re on our way
    To meet you
    Too late everybody
    We’re on our way
    To nowhere
    And I will be there
    Kick out your seat
    Let’s elevate
    Hold on to what you know
    Is gonna break
    A roller coaster ride
    Inside your mind
    Is what need to terrify you
    Don’t you know baby

    CHORUS

    Never gets you too far
    Never gets you too far now
    If you climb aboard there’s nothing to it
    If you concentrate we’ll see you through it
    Don’t forget at the end of the ride
    You’ll be hypnotized by the sound it’s too late

    CHORUS

    If you want me to

  550. Al says :
    LEAVE ME OUT OF IT
    BE WELL
    BE WISE
    BE HAPPY

    No worries Al..Take care please. I will, I am.

  551. I have been listening to this contrivance now, without comment for a while…..all that comes to mind is; THIS IS A DEADLY game….
    i’m a peaceful guy….it is just that all my symptoms are identical to those described, fibres etc…..i only have one lesion now on my right forearm, i was hoping to contact other sufferers for a support network, so we could find an advocate….oh well… i’ll try as best not to comment, indeed the only reason i did was smilykins faslely asserted that i went under the name “justice”

    this is untrue

    i will read and print every post

    the truth will emerge

    but i really try to refrain from comment

    have a great life people

    peace and may god be with you all

  552. Al, I apologize. Please refer to comment #534. Apparently, somebody by the username, “Justice”, is playing a game of copy & paste with your comments.

  553. as the old saying goes
    “why dont y’all go to hell”?
    Michael do your shrink bullhit on my posts
    tell me who i am…..
    god you yanks are so assured in your perception of your role in history
    keep the vitriol pourin forth like good ole texas crude

    i hope i get better soon but i tell you this
    i will overcome whatever the fuck i have
    as i said before
    i’m gonna try really hard to shut up, coz i’m more afraid of being lynched than dying of fibres
    which would be best?

  554. Maybe, perhaps, you’d copied & pasted Justice’s comments, Al. When they aren’t identified, one can’t know where they originated.

    Topic: Doctors & Patients

    #174al Says:
    September 23rd, 2006 at 10:42 pm

    heres another one

    who ever is running this website is also deleting anything they may help all who have been infected and all who don’t even know they have been infected because your body is not allergic to the microorganisms, (hybrids–biologist who cross genes of two different species, and the lipids, lipids lay eggs and are used in many prescriptions that we use and makeup and shampoos…

    Why are you compelled to come here and say things, Al? Listen to yourself, and all those prejudices you regularly throw out at people, while pretending, to yourself, to know God.

  555. Al said: i’m gonna try really hard to shut up, coz i’m more afraid of being lynched than dying of fibres
    which would be best?

    Al – it all depends really. Did you commit an offense, a crime? I am dying of fibers. I did not commit an offence or crime.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INI4PFU1w_s&mode=related&search=

    I saw this movie last christmas. Tony’s sister bought him this dvd for a christmas present.

    At the time, it never clicked, but NOW I wanna run…but where, and to whom???

  556. Al – things WERE looking very clear to ME…but now that you are back… they are getting confusing again.

    Can you please get to YOUR point.

  557. Al – just having to read over those posts you just wrote, I have that feeling come back into me (fear,evil)..I want to run in the street and scream. Please don’t bring me down.

  558. Smileykins said: Why are you compelled to come here and say things, Al? Listen to yourself, and all those prejudices you regularly throw out at people, while pretending, to yourself, to know God.

    In Al’s defence (without knowing his situation,illness,symptoms etc). I don’t believe that people pretend to know God. They feel it, they know. I have and still do.

  559. So Al or someone, am I dying of fibers, or just a “clone”, because I DON’T want to be a clown. I just think of that Stephen King movie “It”.

    I know what… a thought: years ago I watched that movie. In a 2 part series. On the second night I had to get my boyfriend to stay over because I was too scared to go to sleep. I lived alone at the time. I was 24, he was about 22. He asked his mum, she is a devoted calothic (lives in the fear of God, to be honest). She wasn’t too happy but agreed. I ended up marrying this guy. This disease kicked in when I married him. Go figure hey?? – They were northern Italian too.

  560. Listen to me, be clear on this, and don’t make any mistakes about it….

    LADIES EXCERCISE DISCRETION, AND DO NOT GO AROUND TELLING ABOUT SUCH PRIVATE MATTERS AS DESCRIBING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEIR FEMALE BODY PARTS LIKE MORGIE WOMEN DO.

    This makes me want to throw up, and I’m not a prude. It’s not normal. Men have far better manners.

  561. Out on the wiley, windy moors
    We’d roll and fall in green.
    You had a temper like my jealousy:
    Too hot, too greedy.
    How could you leave me,
    When I needed to possess you?
    I hated you. I loved you, too.

    Bad dreams in the night
    You told me I was going to lose the fight,
    Leave behind my wuthering, wuthering
    Wuthering Heights.

    Heathcliff, it’s me, Cathy, I’ve come home. I´m so cold,
    let me in-a-your window.

    Heathcliff, it’s me, Cathy, I’ve come home. I´m so cold,
    let me in-a-your window.

    Ooh, it gets dark! It gets lonely,
    On the other side from you.
    I pine a lot. I find the lot
    Falls through without you.
    I’m coming back, love,
    Cruel Heathcliff, my one dream,
    My only master.

    Too long I roamed in the night.
    I’m coming back to his side, to put it right.
    I’m coming home to wuthering, wuthering,
    Wuthering Heights,

    Heathcliff, it’s me, Cathy, I’ve come home. I´m so cold,
    let me in-a-your window.

    Heathcliff, it’s me, your Cathy, I’ve come home. I´m so cold,
    let me in-a-your window.

    Ooh! Let me have it.
    Let me grab your soul away.
    Ooh! Let me have it.
    Let me grab your soul away.
    You know it’s me–Cathy!

    Heathcliff, it’s me, Cathy, I’ve come home. I´m so cold,
    let me in-a-your window.

    Heathcliff, it’s me, Cathy, I’ve come home. I´m so cold,
    let me in-a-your window.

    Heathcliff, it’s me, Cathy, I’ve come home. I´m so cold.

    AHHHHHHH YAAAAA YAAAA OHHHH YAAAAAAA

  562. Sorry, that’s my opinion of something really, really “off”.

  563. LADIES EXCERCISE DISCRETION, AND DO NOT GO AROUND TELLING ABOUT SUCH PRIVATE MATTERS AS DESCRIBING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEIR FEMALE BODY PARTS LIKE MORGIE WOMEN DO.

    I hang my head in shame because I did that. I was angry. How else was I to get through. It effected my femine side, me. Nothing was lovely anymore, nothing was normal. I was crying for help. I wanted to live, be happy, and have a baby.

  564. Since we are just exchanging interesting youtube clips … here’s something relevant:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQoxrrMftA

  565. Just in:

    This is what I’ve been telling everyone all along; the white or
    almost transparent “fibers” (worms really) move ON THEIR OWN!!! NOT
    every single one, but MOST DO!!! I’ve seen this and watched in absolute
    horrified amazement, for the last 3 years!!!

    Michelle

  566. Those links were for you Michael. I think you can work it out.

  567. Michael – As I was watching that video, the guy with his hair in a pig tail – playing the guitar, reminded me of something:

    The guitar player looked like a guy a met about 3 years ago, and he told me of his tragic loss, his girlfriend and their baby. They both came to me, and I have never met them. Strange, but nice.

  568. Just in:

    Hi Cheryl!

    Ohhhhh yessssssss…..So you too have seen the moving “fibers”! See,
    I’m not one in a minority afterall!!! And yes, I do have alot of them
    jammed underneath my fingernails….it’s pretty hard to make your
    nails look clean when ya got these wormy things all jammed up
    underneath your nails, ever notice that too???

    Michelle

  569. Just In:

    Thanks Redibooks!!!

    We’re all anxiously and impatiently waiting to hear MORE MORE MORE!!!
    Pullllleeeeeeeeeeeezeeee……don’t hesitate to give us EVERY
    FRIGGIN’ DETAIL!!! Such as the Herx thing, if it happens……and if
    it does, describe it as best you can……..any stomach
    aches…..diarrehea….pains anywhere else in the body or
    head…….etc. etc. etc……..becasue if it works better than
    fenben…….I’M GETTIN’ IT FOR DAM SURE!!!!!!!! BTW…..I don’t
    have many sores left just maybe 4 or 5 total………and some just
    some periodic itching, but nothing that really draws my attention
    away from daily chores etc……nothing that makes me want to run for
    something to quell the itch……

    Michelle

  570. If someone is not trying to push ME into a corner, call me a damn GOOSE! please… quack quack (I love ducks, but you already new dat)!

  571. I was not issuing an order to anybody in an above comment. I meant it as a statement, as an opinion, only, from witnessing it so much. The announcement in the referenced comment gives the impression that it was illustrating another female’s words, just then copied from another site and posted here, because of, “just in”.

  572. Michael – To be honest, I am just sick and on an emotionally rollar coaster. But I still love ducks!

  573. Just in:

    Lets make it a rule that we are all allowed to get really pissed of once a month and yell at everyone. I pick the last day of the month.

    Randy (Yaskal)

  574. smileykins Says:
    September 26th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
    I was not issuing an order to anybody in an above comment. I meant it as a statement, as an opinion, only, from witnessing it so much. The announcement in the referenced comment gives the impression that it was illustrating another female’s words, just then copied from another site and posted here, because of, “just in”.

    I think you Smiley and everyone else should know me well enough by now, I tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    So help ME God. I have nothing to hide.

  575. Michael – I am doing ALL of this on my free spirit, and my will to live life.

    I have no fear. I am at peace, just very very tired and ill.

    Thank you.

  576. Michael, since you live there, do you often hear much, concerning what Mary Leitao’s letter says in comment #453…..

    “The global epicenter of Morgellons Disease appears to be California, more specifically the city of Los Angeles.”

  577. Smileykins – Can we have a guess at who Michael really is?? Or could you possibly tell me, us, everyone??

  578. Michael – Why don’t you tell me yourself who you are please, since you think you seem to know everything about me.

  579. “The global epicenter of Morgellons Disease appears to be California, more specifically the city of Los Angeles.”

    I seem to have an “epicentre” going on in my head.

    Not nice to say the least.

  580. Michael – You couldn’t possibly be Mr Dan Rutz, he is in Georgia.

  581. This is soooo boring..

  582. Michael – Why don’t you tell me yourself who you are please, since you think you seem to know everything about me.

    Michael is a retired programmer living in Los Angeles.

  583. I’m sorry, did somebody say something?

  584. i have a delusion that doctors are watching me. they only know how to see illness and if thats what you look for, that is what you find. nobodys perfect
    i hate the ignorant fucks that have spent their whole lives reading books.
    get out in the real world. ignorant fucks

  585. Jeez, Smile, Morg, Tall, Jeez, Smile, Morg, Tall, Jeez, Smile, Morg, Tall, Jeez, Smile, Morg, Tall, Jeez, Smile, Morg, Tall, Jeez, Smile, Morg, Tall, Jeez, Smile, Morg, Tall,

    Wow this is boring

  586. I’m so sorry you feel that way, Dave. Doctors are who we go to when we’re ill. They go through years of continuous education & skilled training, so, yes, they definitely do know how to see illness. Patients also have an active role when they go to a doctor.

    I agree that there are many prejudices that have been brought here, and it is ugly. I’m sorry that you’re filled with a hatred for people who read books, and that you would order anyone, based on that, to live a life that you don’t think they are. Thank you for sharing those thoughts, and I hope you feel better soon.

  587. Rethinking your comments, Dave, maybe you’re venting about doctors? Well, I am very sorry you have grown to feel that way, if I’d misunderstood your comment at first.

  588. Dave,

    Can you translate what you wrote?

    To the others,

    If you think the blog is boring, why don’t you go somewhere else?

    Tall Cotton

  589. Thank you for the invitation, Norman. I have been reading there. Do you know whether they allow open & honest exchanges of communication, or is everyone’s mind fairly hard-wired on that forum?

  590. ok, now what?

  591. “It is very obvious all visitors to this blog are dealing with people of very limited insight and are extremely biased in their thinking. You and your friends are so eager to be correct you all lie to acheive your goal. Now that is a serious psychological problem. I dont believe you have observations of this to ascertain your beliefs its all one lie after another but their is some decent people here, with good information. Just not you and the cult you belong to. Actually your morgellons groupies! ”

    HAHAHA….giggle, snort.HAHAHA,,,,HAHAAhHAAAHHHAAAHHAA, wait, my side hurts, HAHAHAHAH, Thats rich with truth. HAHAHAhahah, hmms that was funny…..

  592. “It is very obvious all visitors to this blog are dealing with people of very limited insight and are extremely biased in their thinking. You and your friends are so eager to be correct you all lie to acheive your goal. Now that is a serious psychological problem. I dont believe you have observations of this to ascertain your beliefs its all one lie after another but their is some decent people here, with good information. Just not you and the cult you belong to. Actually your morgellons groupies! ”

    HAHAHA…..HAHAHA,,,,HAHAAhHAAAHHHAAAHHAA. Thats rich with truth. HAHAHA…..

  593. Yes, I believe there is no post-nazi at the helm. Let er rip

  594. Norman, did you take this from a comment previously made by someone else?

    It is very obvious all visitors to this blog are dealing with people of very limited insight and are extremely biased in their thinking. You and your friends are so eager to be correct you all lie to acheive your goal. Now that is a serious psychological problem. I dont believe you have observations of this to ascertain your beliefs its all one lie after another but their is some decent people here, with good information. Just not you and the cult you belong to. Actually your morgellons groupies!

  595. If you are interested in Morgellons Disease or experience Morgellons symptoms, I would like to invite you to participate in the Morgellons Disease Information Community and Message Board at http://www.morgellonsite.com

  596. I stumbled onto this site while searching for something else and I am completely amazed that there are people who spend their lives
    trying to make other people feel delusional? If you were really smart people you would be trying to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. I have no other words for such ignorant jerks who are wasting their lives this way.

    Artie

  597. This post, however off-topic it may be, is about Internet freedom. \”Network Neutrality\” — the First Amendment of the Internet — ensures that the public can view the smallest blog just as easily as the largest corporate Web site by preventing Internet companies like AT&T from rigging the playing field for only the highest-paying sites.

    But Internet providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast are spending millions of dollars lobbying Congress to gut Net Neutrality. If Congress doesn\’t take action now to implement meaningful Net Neutrality provisions, the future of the Internet is at risk.

    In the end game, only large companies will afford domains if the communications monopolies have their way with this. This of course isnt new news, but its coming to a head and blogs like this one will be a ghosttown unless all of us figure it our pretty darn quick. I wont post any links, but advise that if you value the internet, and blogs likw this one, that you search Google for \”Network Neutrality\” and educate yourself on this issue as it effects all of us.

  598. Dermacia, thank you. I may look into that sometime. Do you have any views to share with us, concerning the morgellons’ movement, since it was born on the internet? What I mean is, how do you feel about this minority of vulnerable adults being so heavily influenced that they’ve blown such a loud whistle? Thanks.

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