Jul 30 2006
White Fibers Fluoresce Blue under UV
Hardly rocket science, anyone who has been to a nightclub in the past thirty years would have noticed that white clothing fluoresces blue-white under UV lights (UV, Ultra Violet, Black Light, Woods Lamp, same thing). Particularly white cotton, including the white fibers in denim jeans.
Yet, Time Magazine says:
Dr. Gregory Smith wants people to know it’s not all in his head. According to the Gainesville, Ga., pediatrician, white fibers have been burrowing into his skin for the past two years, making him feel like he’s under constant bombardment from insects or cactus needles. Shine a black light on these fibers and they’ll fluoresce blue, he says, just like something you’d see in The Twilight Zone.
And the Morgellons Research Foundation says:
They are generally described by patients as white, but clinicians also report seeing blue, green, red, and black fibers, that fluoresce when viewed under ultraviolet light (Wood’s lamp).
It all started with Mary Leitao, who “showed the doctor how the fibers glowed under an ultraviolet light”.
So what’s going on here? Why does the MRF and their publicity department not know that practically all white clothing fibers fluoresce under UV light? Why do they keep repeating that their fibers fluoresce as if it’s something special?
If they can’t get that science right, something that is practically common knowledge, then what else might they have got wrong?
Here’s some white acrylic fibers at 200x, with normal and UV lighting.
Not like something out of The Twilight Zone, just normal clothing fibers.
Update (Aug 1st, 2006): For an explanation as to exactly WHY they fluoresce, see here:
www.techno-preneur.net/ScienceTechMag/july06/Fluorescent_brighteners.pdf
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Well, it’s like what I’ve been saying. We can look at two aspects of this, because there seems to be two. There are a lot of sick people on the MRF crew. When it comes to those treating their disease, I think they have another motivating force at play. However you serve it up, this myth is exploiting vulnerable people. I see no solution to it, either.
As I said in the last post, this Time magazine story tends to push me more in the “Morgellons is a fantasy” camp. I had considered the Georgia peditrician to be one of the most seemingly reliable cases, but it’s obvious from the Time article that he’s having mental problems- he admits he’s on disability leave from work. The part about the fiber burrowing into his eye clearly makes him seem delusional.
He still needs help and to be taken seriously, but not for burrowing fibers.
I think the whole MRF crew is nuts!!
Robert, did you also know that the Georgia pediatrician (Gregory Smith) is the director of the medical advisory board of the Morgellons Research Foundation?
Unfortunatly that article is a serious article written on a credible website. How come they never question this man about the worm that burrows into his eye? Also, hasn’t Wymore already said that these “fibers” are not living organisms? So then how would they be able to burrow into a guys eye? There are so many holes in the story of Morgellens I have a hard time beleiving people actually think they have this condition.
About Dr. Smith…
“He describes looking into the mirror one night, only to see one burrow down into his eye.”
“I tried to grab a hold of it with tweezers and it would not come out. It was quite painful, so I threw up my hands and went to the Emergency Room with my wife.”
“The symptoms are so unusual that they just don’t make any sense. I even question my own sanity from time to time.”
“But even with CDC involvement, Morgellons sufferers like Smith are still frustrated that they haven’t been asked for their input.”
Yeah, right…
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1220349,00.html
Dr. Smith has also been diagnosed with neuroborreliosis (Lyme Disease).
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1220349,00.html
In the meantime, Smith says he’s just trying to keep up with the simple things in life. Unable to practice medicine for the past year because of neurological and cognitive problems he believes are a result of the disease, he says he is overwhelmed by mundane tasks like housework or hobbies like working in the yard. “From day to day, I can’t predict how I’ll feel,” he says. “It’s understandable why many people are skeptical about this illness. The symptoms are so unusual that they just don’t make any sense. I even question my own sanity from time to time. But if this is all psychiatric, please give me something to make it go away.”
http://www.morgellons.org/contrib.html
My wife, Judy, and I were infected two years ago. I subsequently developed significant neurological symptoms and have been unable to practice pediatrics since May, 2005. I have also been diagnosed with Neuroborreoliosis (Lyme disease with nervous system involvement). Judy and I have many of the constitutional symptoms common in Morgellons patients in addition to the odd skin symptoms we all share.
http://www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic521.htm
Neuropsychiatric findings: Controversial presentations of late-stage disease or post–Lyme disease syndrome include depression, anxiety, schizophrenic-like psychosis, bipolar disorder, and dementia.
To reiterate, Dr. Smith said, “he says. “It’s understandable why many people are skeptical about this illness. The symptoms are so unusual that they just don’t make any sense. I even question my own sanity from time to time. But if this is all psychiatric, please give me something to make it go away.”
Why he isn’t treating his mental symptoms, says to me that he needs someone to advocate for his health, because he isn’t capable.
“But if this is all psychiatric, please give me something to make it go away.”
This “all or nothing” attitude seems to prevail with Morgies. They don’t seem to be able to understand that their problems are “both” mental and physical?
HUST A QUICK COMMENT FROM ME….RE:LYME DISEASE……
HEHEHEHE SO lYME DISEASE IS GOING TO BE THEIR FINAL ANSWER
ON MORGELLONS, EH? OH, LET ME GUESS….IT’S A NEW TYPE OF Lyme
that just came out 30 minutes ago-OR three days ago….I can hear it now…..LIES!!!!
Now, I really would like to know how I can wake up one day and see on the news that Lyme has suddenly spread overnght into 46 States!!! uhhhh, okay, how? uhhhh, (someone should shout out an “R” here) for R’ is the first letter in the word Rabbits! Yep , must have been all those Tulerema rabbits in Texas that spread Lyme.
Okay, maybe it took 3 weeks-for this was how long in between checking the stats of Lyme prevalence in our nation I would usually
go b/t calls re: Lyme.
Now, last thing I wanted to say is a comment on some Lady’s article I just finished reading on Lyme. It had came out in late April of this yeat….OMG, it had everything under the sun in her possible diseases that is considered Lyme…from Erlochia (sp) to
my all time favorite: the new cat-scratch disease and the bartonellas to parasites, toxi gondi, microsporidia, purple spots,
YOU NAME IT; SHE HAD IT LISTED AD LYME DISEASE…….
NO LADY, DUMB LADY…WHAT YOU DESCRIBED EVER SO PERFECTLY REALLY MATCHES THE AIDS VIRUS!!!!! JEEZ, COMPARE THE SIMILARITIES! I MEAN, IT IS UTTERLY STRIKING!
THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO THROW IN TO THE BLOG HERE….OH, OF COURSE….THE DUMB LADY DID HAVE DEPRESSION AND PSYCO BEHAVIOR BEING A LIL ERRATIC AS WELL; I KID YOU NOT.
SHE SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID THE TRUTH….DEMENTED!!!!!
QUESTION: I’m assuming since Lyme is so prevalent now in our country, that is WILL now be covered by insurance, right???
I don’t think the distribution of Lyme has changed much since 2004:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ld_Incidence.htm
Looks like you would see a lot more Morgellons in the North East if there was some connection with Lyme.
Today on Lymebusters:
And speaking of a Lyme/Morgellons connection:
(Warning: Don’t do anything the following web-site recommends without consulting a doctor first).
http://www.lymephotos.com/juvenile/index.html
Dr. Smith was reportedly diagnosed with neuroborreliosis. Neurological problems are also symptomatic of late stage lyme disease. His mental problems are obvious. In his case it seems likely that there is a connection.
The MRF reports that virtually all of their registrants have been diagnosed with lyme disease. I don’t believe that any figures that come from the MRF can be trusted, but it seems obvious that most of the Morgies have mental problems.
Is there a connection to lyme disease. I don’t know!! But I think we were talking about the Doctor.
The Morgellons fibers are NOT nematomorphs. I think you know that though.
Bummer. I’ve just got the “old time” cat scratch.
I wanna know what “The Callus” is. Can somebody ’splain dat, please?
“The Callus”, is…..
girl, don’t even get me started on that damn callus!
Lord Smiley nooooo…….but …..maybe Cliff or Greema or Cilla …..orrrrrrr TamTam could explain.
They have written a lot about it….(I believe Cliff termed that himself.)
Tall Cotton, I like that name nematomorph, and I wanna be one. What is it?
Michael, is it possible to turn off commenting on all but the most current post? It’s very difficult keeping track with new comments being posted to much older threads.
Just a suggestion, dunno if the software allows for that.
kindest
You could try subscribing to the RSS feed for comments. But for old posts, I’d have to set disable comments individually and add a redirect to the top post. It’s more of less working right now.
I might set up a proboards at some point.
I thought “RSS” was your initials
I’ll subscribe, thanks!
London, for Nematomorphs, check Michael’s link on reply number 12. They’re Horsehair Worms. You can be one if you want.
(Edit: comment moved from old thread to here)
I’m new here, and new to this subject, but I offer what may help shed some light on this matter. But please, don’t take my word for any of this. Check it out for yourself. Ten bucks for a black light (18” or longer) and $10 for a cheap scope from Radio Shack (60X-100X) is all you need. (My scope is 900X).
And, yes, I have arranged to have some samples analyzed by a professional (a long-time friend), but it will take a while, for a number of reasons. Ok. Here goes.
I didn’t know about Morgellons when my symptoms began in 2000. Between then and now, I’d seen doctors for check-ups and mole removals. I even inquired about some of my symptoms, but they were written off by all of us. I was not connecting the dots, yet, nor were they.
But, I got more symptoms, and things increasingly got worse. I still blew it off, rationalizing everything. By the end of ’05, they were really setting in, but I couldn’t get a handle on what it was, so I didn’t go to the doctor. Doctors work best if you can give them a clue as to what’s happening.
In ’06, I found objects in my body multiple times and thought I was losing my mind. The first time, it was two round circles of black fiber or filament embedded under the skin on the back of my hand – one the size of a dime, and the other about half that size.
I thought my hand was dirty. I thought it was ingrown hair. I thought it was a splinter – huh? A round splinter? That’s when I dug them out. By that time, symptoms included chronic fatigue – alien to my Type A personality, and I couldn’t focus when normally I am very task-oriented. (To save space, I won’t go into detail here.)
In talking with friends, we discovered we were having similar symptoms. These are “phone friends” whom I rarely see in person, so we weren’t contaminating each other. We do all live in top Morgs hot spots. (BTW – the Morgs statistics are figured on percentages of people within the population - 10% is 10%, no matter how large or small the population sample is.)
So, I began designing a database for us to track our food intake, environment, weather, stress and anxiety – any data that could help us connect the dots, to construct patterns to help us figure out what was wrong and why. It was slow going because I was getting so sick – and depressed - but I stuck to it.
One night while working on it, I saw the CNN article, and the epiphany trumpets blared. The dots connected. I went to the web, reading till 3 a.m. My God, they KNEW our symptoms! There was a NAME for it! It’s a disease and OTHER PEOPLE have it TOO!!
During my research, I read about the chemtrail connection. I figured it was reasonable – we live in very heavily-sprayed/trafficked areas, night and day. So, I decided to check out the black light theory – easy enough to do.
I started in the bedroom, looking at the only carpeting in the house. The first piece I found was in the carpet – a rice-shaped granule of lint. The difference between bright white and glowing is stark and easy to see. I found normal lint, but then there was this glowing stuff (“glowies”). Flakes, balls, masses and fibers of different sizes and configurations – all glowies.
Still following the chemtrail theory, I figured the glowies came in from outside, so I took my light outside. If the theory was correct, my roses should act like glowie catcher’s mitts. But I found ZERO glowies outside, except lint and string in bird nests torn apart by the starlings. So I went inside and looked more. Oh, my God!
Now, I pride myself on my housekeeping. Oh, brother! I was just moving this stuff around!
My first big discovery was that I had two Mexican blankets that totally, totally glowed. They have always had big, heavy fibers in their loosely woven cotton and they were on couches under the ceiling fan. I found their fibers (with the black light) all over the place. We brought the blankets from Mexico in 1999 and my symptoms began in 2000.
That’s when I recalled Cliff Mickelson’s article on the cotton parasite. So, I checked more. Oh, my God, again. The airborne fibers were indeed coating everything. I had cotton clothing, rugs, pillows and more with horrid (and varied) fibers emerging from, and ferociously entwined in, the fabric. It was odd because other items, like silk flowers, had zero evidence of glowies yet they sat right next to something infested.
I lost my standard poodle to mouth cancer. I spent $5,000 on her lesions and “allergies” which were never aided by anything doctors tried. Some – not all – of her toys were absolute fiber farms - growing out of the stuffed animals like snakes. There were short ones, just poking their heads out and 3-4” ones, coiled and curly and absolutely disgusting.
Already noting some odd properties of these things (besides their incessant glow), I bought a microscope and a friend and I spent 6 hours looking at samples. We were absolutely stunned, dumbfounded. That was my Day of Truth - of Horrification - and it’s also when Operation Clean House began.
I found glowies in cotton products from Mexico, Pakistan, India, China and Taiwan. I have pondered the Morg maps at MRF site in relation to shipping, importing/exporting and consumerism. Are the mapped locations also those with the most imported cotton products, perhaps?
My theory on the CA, TX, FL – Morgs connection is that these states have a huge immigrant population (as well as passers-through), all bringing with them contaminated cotton products. We may tend to vacation more in the islands and south-of-the-border (since we are closer) also bringing back those products.
The big cities are where massive consuming is done – from stores like where I bought glowie products: Big Lots, Wal-Mart, Garden Ridge, PetSmart and the Dollar Tree. Tons of product flow through those places. (I later called the managers – see end of this post for those details.)
I’m willing to bet money that the 3-yr-old with the lip lesion (MRF site) has a favorite stuffed animal or blanket that occupies his mouth area a lot. Thumb sucking with a blanket stuffed between lip and hand is much more a likely culprit than Kleenex. Of course, I’m just a dumb blonde with delusions of glowing bugs all over my house, my pets and me, so whadda I know?
I have an enviro background and I started “remediating” my “toxic” home. My husband thought I’d lost my mind, chasing “bugs” that were invisible to him. Of course, he refused to look with the black light, because he hates things he can’t understand or control – they’re a threat to him. He’d rather just deny, but that changed later.
I cleaned in a precise remediation-style fashion and in two days, reduced my “glowie” population immensely. (It’s a long, but rewarding, slog.) As I progressed, I rechecked areas to see if they’d become recontaminated and to what extent.
Over night, my husband’s tiny bathroom was absolutely covered again, after being cleaned, checked and the door closed. I was shocked, so I got my light and discovered I’d forgotten to check the new (but washed) cotton rug I had just thoughtlessly put there (I told you I was blonde). The most hideous discovery yet - a thick, black loop weave with a white fibrous worm-looking beast-farm appeared – 1,000’s of them all standing upright among the loops - and I was standing in the middle of it!
Leading him to his bathroom, I insisted he look at the recontaminated countertop. He shrugged, as if to say, “So what, you psycho.” So, I moved the light toward the floor, revealing the rug on which he was standing. He literally jumped back and gasped. Now he’s helping me decontaminate the house – no more name calling. He won’t even look at the microscope, and I can’t blame him.
To date, I have no more fiber snaked through my eyelashes; I’m not constantly fishing slimy “oogies” from my eyes. My eyesight is improving and the floaters are diminishing.
Now that I know a little about what’s happening with me, I know what herbs to take to at least mitigate the symptoms and hopefully stop the creatures. (Lots of details, but not here.) My husband is starting the regimen - he has symptoms, too. My dogs and birds are another story.
Whatever these things are – fungus, mold, parasite - they are absolutely sinister, and I want them out of my home and out of my body.
As far as zapping them with electricity, is anyone familiar with a TENS unit? They’re widely accepted/prescribed in the medical field, and that’s basically what the zappers appear to be.
And if these glowies are living organisms, they surely do have a frequency at which they thrive and one at which they die. On the surface, it sounds pretty wild, but with some thought, maybe not so much. It would be a wonderful world if you could play a frequency on an amplified zapper and rid your entire household – contents and all - in one shot.
I knew I had to let these store managers know about their glowie-containing products, and I am so glad that I did. I rapidly went through the whole story, from CNN to MRF to black lights and worm-infested rugs and pillows.
After listening intently, one manager named specific symptoms and asked if they were Morgs symptoms. Bingo. She said that she and two stockers were suffering from those symptoms (including the rashes) and couldn’t figure out why. (Products I bought at her store were really super-contaminated.)
One manager already knew about Morgellons and promised to pursue his own personal investigation into the products, with very piqued interest.
One manager sheepishly asked, “How do you treat the lesions?” and “How do you get rid of these things?” Enough said.
I have no doubt they conducted their own investigations. I requested them to contact their buyers and home offices if their testing yielded positive conclusions.
I’m asking you all to do the same. Do a simple investigation and then offer whatever comments you have. Remember my husband before he saw the rug? It will hurt nothing, and it may very well reveal unwanted visitors (and will at least show how you boys don’t have perfect aim – contrary to popular belief - in the bathroom
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Once acknowledged, many other questions arise from this phenomenon. Maybe the CDC has known about this quite a while. Who’s to say the chem planes aren’t doing “ag spraying” to kill these varmints? MRF isn’t very informative, but the liability connected to revealing more info or speculation may be overwhelming. Who knows?
Consider the financial fallout and also how panicky people could become (ala War of the Worlds) from widespread announcement – I can see Tall Cotton beating someone over the head for the last gallon of ammonia. (Sorry, TC, just funnin’ with ya.) Or people freaking out because they discover parasites are in their bodies.
No. The corporate coffers shall perpetually overflow, and the masses must remain calm and constantly consuming. If handled correctly, this could actually be a real economic booster to multiple sectors - globally.
It could be successfully revealed if the spin were just right, if it were well planned and controlled. Maybe we’re pummeled with bird flu news and not Morgs info because they’re still formulating how to make the most money from it while getting their advertising strategies in place. Let another fear campaign begin! Wow, what cynicism!
Last but not least, when I got a chance I looked up Cliff Mickelson’s article. I sent him a thank you letter with a more detailed rendition of what I wrote here. I think he’s right on the money – ahead of the rest of us – and I’m very, very thankful I saw the info.
So, did I just throw raw meat to the wolves? How’d your testing go?
I have the cure for morgellon’s disease.It’s all natural with no side afects.Already been tested in California.On a young lady by the name of Vanessa her doctor ran test and found out she was totally infested with these parasites.they had gotten to her brain tha migrains headaches and joint pains were umberable.the test ran last week shows she is totally free of these new breed of parasites.For more info please contact Steve or Vanessa at (-deleted-).The longer you wait,is very bad because this new bug won’t as we speak entire families are being infected.
Neely, this blog is not the place for infomercials. Please provide a link to the test results if you wish to share the information.
The problem with black light is similar to the problem with microscopes. First people are told something is there that they can’t see. They are skeptical, then you whip out the black light (or microscope) and show “it” to them. What was invisible is now visible. They are convinced.
I’ve got a black light, I’ve looked through my house with it. There are lots of “glowies”. White cotton seems to glow the most, particulary socks and underwear.
Why does it glow? White cotton and wool have a natural slight yellowish color, and you want it to be brilliant white. How do we do this?
Here:
http://www.techno-preneur.net/new-timeis/ScienceTechMag/july06/Fluorescent_brighteners.pdf
I had to stop reading, right here……”Of course, I’m just a dumb blonde with delusions of glowing bugs all over my house, my pets and me, so whadda I know?”
Thank you, Morgellons, for the info! I have reached no final conclusions and fully appreciate all offerings. My goal is to learn and maybe help others.
My lack of sci smarts is why I looked up my pro friend. We’ll see what that yields.
However, a glowie particle, placed next to a piece of white sock lint, reveals a stark contrast between them. And what about the colored items that glow?
I simply know that I had a severe fiber problem in my home and emerging from my skin. It even landed in our coffee, and I do not live in a pig pen.
The light revealed a glowie farm of immense proportion (whatever it/they are), connected to very specific items.
As the closed-off bathroom indicated - these things quickly become airborne and coat - no, more than coat, they attack - specific willing hosts.
I do not want to bias opinions. If I write the many details I have, it could taint findings of others. And I am curious as to how many folks find the very same micro-creepies that I have.
Even the samples to be analyzed have only numbers on them - no ID or source. I’m trying to keep this as valid as possible.
My health history parallels my current theory, albeit it correct or not. And Hollywood could use some of the scope slides as sci-fi main characters.
Thank you very much for the info.
Hit Submit too soon. The last Anonymous post obviously was from me.
Smileykins - surely you admit that for a dumb blonde, I write well. Too bad you didn’t finish reading the post. Thanks for trying, anyway.
Long ago, when I partcipated in lymebuster’s message board and first saw the guy’s name and tried to dissuade morgie people from visiting the link he’d provided, I’d concluded some things about him. Apparently, I may have been wrong, and he is the-way-he-is due to another factor I’d been unaware of, at the time, until recently.
http://www.rense.com/general72/crug.htm
Everyone will find the same “micro-creepies”, glowing fibers are everywhere.
Try this: compare your “glowie particle” to a speck of your laundry detergent under black light.
I “try” to read everything that is posted on this blog, Glowie Huntress. I just don’t have it in me, too much anymore, to read such disturbing accounts of those who are convinced that they have something called “morgellons disease”. I know such people, as you, can’t see things any other way, and that you’re compelled into trying to push your ideas off onto others. I absolutely understand that completely, and I am very sorry. Of course, I know that people of any hair color can fall prey to this type of illness that’s being called “morgellons disease”. You just gave me an “easy out” to save myself from reading any further, with your self proclaimed put down, that’s all. I’ll probably try reading the rest later on. I feel for you, and for your husband, and I’m very, very sorry.
Not to dispute but merely point out, re: the rense link article:
Under “Inside the Box” … mental disorder … “feeling of bugs crawling on you” –
Scabies comes in epidemic waves, last time I heard, leaves for years and returns.
A main symptom assoc with scabies is the “feeling of bugs crawling on you” - because they ARE on you, only subdermally. You can’t see ‘em, but feel ‘em.
I also remember hearing about something called “no see’ums” - happened to friends on honeymoon in FL. Anyone know about ‘em?
Morg - I will definitely try your test and write my findings. I want to compare multi things, look at scope, yadda yadda. Thanks!!
“As the closed-off bathroom indicated - these things quickly become airborne and coat - no, more than coat, they attack - specific willing hosts.”
Of course, you don’t sound as if you can be persuaded any differently, but for others who will read this, who can, we send toilet paper particles into the air in our bathrooms, every single time we tear off a section.
Well, guess what else causes the sensation of something crawling, biting, stinging, and buring, that you can’t see?!!!
ALLERGIES….Had them all my life, so I ought to know. Fun to live with? Heck, no.
Process of elimination and avoidance.
Did the nuts come out of the woodwork this morning, or what?
Glowie Huntress said…
“Of course, I’m just a dumb blonde with delusions of glowing bugs all over my house, my pets and me, so whadda I know?”
Tall Cotton said…
I don’t think your mental problems are related to your hair color.
Wow! You guys have been busy while I’ve been gone. There you are, Tall Cotton - I figured you’d have something to say. You can’t rile me because I’m not trying to prove anything - merely communicate.
The blonde comment was a sarcastic stab at my hubby who started out with a different attitude than he has now. It was not at all directed toward any of you. We’re all smart at something (hopefully) and TC, you’re right - it has zip to do with hair color.
Lastly, I’ve never been in one of these forums before and do not spend a lot of time online. I expected you to be more brutal - thanks.
Anyway, you can’t expect to hear from me as much as today, but I promise I will check in when I can - even if I have info to present that contradicts my current theory. I don’t mind admitting I’m wrong, if indeed I am.
I’ll check back ASAP. Have a good one!
Double blind, random sample, testing using the scientific method is the only way we will find out if “Morgellons” exists or not. Running around your house with a blacklight and a cheap microscope is no way to test any theories on this because like Morgellon said you could come to his place with that same equipment and find “glowy stuff.”
Not for me. I KNOW it doesn’t exist, because I’ve been in these people’s shoes before.
I’m rude, and I apologize. The people who think that they have this, have already had a very unnerving disruption in their lives to try coping with. The reason that I’m so incensed, is because there “may have been” just a real slight chance that a few such people could have been a bit more able to move on, just “possibly”, if they had never heard of one disturbed woman’s creation that began over the internet.
911 Says:
August 1st, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Double blind, random sample, testing using the scientific method is the only way we will find out if “Morgellons” exists or not.
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You’re absolutely correct, of course. But therein lies a problem. How on earth can anyone assemble a patient cohort from the “Morgellons population” that can be expected to adhere to trial protocol, follow all instructions given to them by the trial investigators and absolutely never ever self-medicate, for the lengthy duration of a scientifically valid clinical trial?
Well, Wymore says:
“I am 100 percent convinced that Morgellons is a real disease pathology”
(http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/medical/stories/MYSA072406.morgellons.KENS.1e13fade.html)
So obviously there is something he can observe in the patients that indicates this is a real disease pathology. All you have to do is find out what this is, let’s call it “the Wymore indicator”. Explain this to a neutral dermatologist.
Then get ten morgellons patients, and ten dermatology patients who have a similar level of lesions, mix them together, and have the neutral dermatologist sort them into groups based on the Wymore Indicator. All patients are instructed not to talk or move unless directed.
Unfortunately, Wymore has not explained what the Wymore Indicator is. What exactly is it that makes him 100 percent sure?
and what does “disease pathology” actually mean? Is that a misquote?
Hehe.
Pathology: The anatomic or functional manifestations of a disease, or the scientific study of such.
The pathology is not the disease itself, it is the observable and quantifiable symptoms.
Please keep in mind that Wymore is not a doctor, and may not be completely versed in the terminology.
Disease: “any deviation from, impairment of, or interruption of the normal structure or function of any part, organ, or system (or combination thereof) of the body that is manifested by a characteristic set of one of more signs or symptoms, including laboratory or clinical measurements, that are characteristic of a disease.”
It’s the fibers, stupid!
It seems the phrase “real disease pathology”, has only ever been uttered by Prof Wymore:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22real+disease+pathology%22&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&filter=0
From that mysanantonio.com article
KENS 5 Eyewitness News on July 25th
Dr. Rhonda Casey (Wonder if she’s related to Chaz’s Cindy, with the same last name? Oh, well.)
“If it were not for the fibers, the patients would all be taken seriously. So I think even though the fibers may be a key to helping us diagnose this disease, they have also been a hinderance to it even being accepted as a real disease in the past,” she said.
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Wilson and Miller, 1946; Wilson, 1952; Obermayer, 1955
W. G. Waldron, 1962-1963; Schrut and Waldron, 1963
“The supposed “bugs” or “creatures” are believed to change colors; appear and disappear while they are being watched; enter the skin and reappear; invade the hair, nose, and ears; and to persist despite repeated treatments of the supposedly infested house by competent pest control operators and despite frequent bathing and applications of ointments. If the person, in most cases a woman, brings in samples of the supposed pest, it invariably consists of small bits of lint, cloth, dandruff, scabs, sand particles, dirt, or miscellaneous debris. Occasionally, by chance, innocuous insects or insect parts are included with the debris. There is usually a long history of ineffectual visits to medical doctors and/or dermatologists before an entomologist is seen. The skin has often been injured by frequent and sometimes desperate scratching and cleansing. The presumed pests offered for identification are frequently wrapped in tissue paper or stuck onto tape, although occasionally they are contained in a small vial. The patient is confident that microscopic examination of the collected samples will reveal the creatures that seem so real. One patient returned to the author’s office 3 times during 6 years, each time accompanied by a dubious and apologetic husband, but each time confident that the cause of her troubles would be found. Another has called repeatedly concerning “termites” that were believed to be “eating out” her insides and occasionally emerging from the joints of her arms and legs. Presumed specimens sent for identification were, of course, scabs and other debris.”
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
More from the San Antonio article:
“I pulled some fibers out, and I was just taking a look at it, and the fibers just started to move around, kind of around each other,” Cindy Casey said. “And I screamed to Charles (my husband), ‘Charles, come here and look, because everyone’s been telling me I’m crazy. Charles, look at this,’ and he looked at it, and yeah, he saw it too.”
“This one I didn’t want to believe,” Charles Casey said.
Incidents like that are just one more bizarre part to this puzzling disease that seems to be spreading.
“There is the slightly frightening component to it that we don’t know what causes this. If more and more people are coming down with Morgellons, we need to get a handle on this,” Wymore said. “Is there an environmental component that needs to be addressed? Is it contagious? These are all things that we don’t know the answer to at this point.”
*Most of their many doctors they’d been to, already told them what it was. In my opinion, they WERE taken quite seriously.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/417324_2
Most patients present with complaints of tiny insects or mites crawling under their skin, biting, tickling, or burrowing. Itching is seldom the primary complaint. Lesions may be present, although neurotic excoriation may be the cause. Other skin damage may be present, resulting from intense scrubbing (eg, steel wool, metal scratch pads) or use of harsh chemicals such as gasoline or bleach. In one study, 82% of DOP patients presented with “evidence” of their infestation that included tiny, nonharmful insects, dust, specks of debris, and skin or ear scrapings wrapped in paper or in jars or vials.
A consistent and diagnostic feature is the patient’s absolute conviction that he or she knows exactly what is going on. The patient may also be angry that his or her physician cannot even see, much less eliminate, the “bugs.” The medical history often has a persuasive, yet idiosyncratic, logic, and the patient may be so convincing that others in the family secondarily share in the delusion–a folie à deux.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/417324_1
Oops, sorry, sent that above link to page 2 and not the intro. I know that not everyone feels that DOP is involved with everybody who thinks they have this, but it is for the largest percentage that I know of personally.
We do not know if “Morgellons” is a disease. At this time, we have no “evidence” that the fiber infestation causes any deviation from, impairment of, or interruption of the normal structure or function of any part, organ, or system (or combination thereof) of the body.
The fiber infestation does cause distress so the cause and cure need to be found.
OMG, that was creepy to see his quote plastered all over, like that. He might chant that to himself a lot, too. “I am 100 percent convinced that Morgellons is a real disease pathology”. Ya just never know, that might be part of his daily affirmation routine. Haha.
We all realize that, Greta, and I know that we all feel badly for everyone who is afflicted with fibers.
While I no longer believe that Randy Wymore is in this for money, I remain convinced that he is not qualified to render any authoritative opinion on the existence of Morgellons (or any other “new” disease).
I always thought he was in it because he is ill, but it could just be that he needed something to….nah, I still feel he’s in it because he’s quite ill.
Greta said…
“The fiber infestation does cause distress so the cause and cure need to be found.”
in·fest (n-fst)
v.
1. To live as a parasite in or on tissues or organs or on the skin and its appendages.
2. To inhabit or overrun in numbers large enough to be harmful, threatening, or obnoxious.
Yes, the damn obnoxious fibers in or on tissues or organs or on the skin and its appendages.
Someone, please call the FiberBusters.
Greta,
Your original statement implies that the fibers are alive. It hasn’t even been determined yet that there are any fibers except those that are stuck in scabs. As far as I’m concerned, none of us know anything, except those things we can prove. Thus far, by default, there is no Morgellons.
Tall Cotton
Source: WordNet (r) 1.7
infest
v
1: invade in great numbers, as of pests [syn: overrun]
2: occupy in large numbers or live on a host;
3: live on or in a host, as of parasites
Source: Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Infest \In*fest”\, a. [L. infestus. See Infest, v. t.]
Mischievous; hurtful; harassing. [Obs.] –Spenser.
Infest \In*fest”\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Infested; p. pr. & vb.
n. Infesting.] [L. infestare, fr. infestus disturbed,
hostile, troublesome ; in in, against + the root of defendere:
cf. F. infester. See Defend.]
To trouble greatly by numbers or by frequency of presence ; to
disturb; to annoy ; to frequent and molest or harass; as,
fleas infest dogs and cats; a sea infested with pirates.
I ment to imply not that the fibers are alive, but that they are present in great numbers and frequency, which trouble greatly.
Hey Greta, did you do the burn/sniff test?
It has been determined by a profesional medical doctor that I have fibers embedded in my skin where I have are no scabs or lesions.
Yes, strangly, I can not smell the fibers when I burn them!
Greta, stick your arm on a scanner, and scan a bit at 4800 dpi, see if you can show us the fibers coming out.
Probably not enough of a sample. Maybe you could collect a tufts worth and then burn that.
Maybe I should empty out my case of match boxes
I do not have access to any scanner higher than 600 dpi, the fiber quality is poor looking.
Plus, how can a still image show something “coming” out of any thing. It would appear either to be partially embedded, punctured in, or sticking out. It may be argued that I poked it in or injected it in to my skin. How could such a scanned image be proof of anything?
It’s evidence at least that fibers are embedded in your skin. If you showed pictures of blank skin, or fibers just laying on the surface, and claimed there were fibers embedded, then that would show you were delusional. It is a step on the ladder of evidence.
And I think they are going to rename it the ziplock sign
I have a curious nature, but I usually don’t ask about things, unless they’ve been brought up. Of course, it’s nobody’s business, but as somebody’s mother, I’m just wondering, Greta. I know that you’re a grown woman, but does your mom know, or have any opinions, about how you’ve seen your doctor over 50 times, so far, completely free of charge? I apologize for being nosey, and of course, you can feel free to tell me to go blow.
Dear Glowing Huntress,
I read your post w/ interest and I went thru those same motions that you did. Our illness may indeed somehow relate
to that fake cotton worm that they created (the one that Cliff talked about) I do not know for sure. I do know that there is a helluva lot more to it than that.
I also like to read Cliff’s writings. I also do not believe a damn word he says. I have my reasons for this and I’m not trying to cast a negative light on him for malicious
reasons. Just the truth.
Someone mentioned above…..the worms being alive or not? Yeah
well, if you think that RNA is a “real worm” then sure, I’ll go for that one too.
Hey, what do you think of this fiber here? FYI: it does take
Windows Quick Launch to view…..
http://www.science.smith.edu/departments/NeuroSci/courses/bio330/squid.html
PS: Dear Glowing Huntress, uhhh, do you mind explaining how you were able to EVEN hit the submit button that kept you anonymous up above? You see, it can’t be done….unless????
(Edit by Michael: fixed link)
Hey London, was that squid nerver fiber in reference to something, or just an interesting video.
My mom does know and understands. The reason my doc does not charge me is because this is the first time in his 27 years of practice that he is “lost.” He does not feel right to charge me because he does not know how to solve my problem.
I’ve described, before, how fibers, and other debris, become embedded within morgie peoples’ epidermis. The outermost layer, the stratum corneum, has 25 to 30 very thin layers of dead cells, and our acid mantle, a combination of sweat and sebum, coats it in a protective film. It needs careful, balanced, maintenance.
To help illustrate a point, here are a few old comments from Lymebusters message board, from about a year ago:
Topic: Body being preserved by a film?
#1…I know this sounds really dumb, but sometimes I feel like I am being preserved. Like this film that is covering my entire body is covering me and nothing can penetrate it. My skin feels like there is an additional layer to it and that layer is water repellant. I don’t think it is the antibiotics that I am taking, it is definetly something else. I just hate the way my skin feels now. Ugh! Maybe all those preservatives in food is doing something internally to our bodies, like preserving it, just like the food.
#2…i know how u feel i took a long bath today.thinking it would take it off. like u said that film will not come off, i though maybe i was useing to much lotion.but would’t that just wash off?could it be fungus? protected its self.
#3…NO. I DONT THINK ITS DUMB AT ALL. THERE IS A COATING ON MY SKIN. i WAS SO TERRIFIED THE FIRST TIME I REALIZED THAT THESE EVIL CREATURES WERE UNDER COMPLETLY NORMAL LOOKING SKIN. DISGUSTING THEN AS I BEGAN RUBBING THEM FROM MY FACE I NOTICED A RIPPING SOUND AROUND MY HAIRLINE. LIKE THEY WEAVED TOGETHER LIKE A WEB. AND CREEPY TO IS THAT IT WAS THE EXACT AREAS THAT TAM TAM MENTIOND FROM EARS TO THE BRIDGE OF THE NOSE I THINK. AFTER THIS UNHAPPY REVELATION I DECIDED THAT THEY MUST BE TRYING TO MAKE ME THEIR
COCOON. ALL COVERED WITH A NICE PROTECTIVE LAYER OF SLIME. I CANT BELEIVE I WALK AROUND WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT COMPLETLY LOSING MY MIND.
This, of course, has nothing to do with lesions with fibers in them. Their skin is literally suffocated from not sloughing off and renewing itself, due to the thick, invisible, buildup they have on it. That surface film will become real gummy when they try to bathe, and the crud will ball up, and be difficult to remove. It’s the same stuff that soap scum consists of, in ring-around-the-bathtub. They need their skin cleansed well, so it can breathe, and to limit using emollients in excess. Lots of environmental fibers are trapped inside there, I guarantee. Rubbing their skin, applying lotions and oils, makes the fibers roll up and look like little cocoons.
Michael,
Good Morning, You asked what the squid video was referencing~
The hypothesis that glial cells synthesize proteins which are transferred to adjacent neurons was evaluated in the giant fiber of the squid. I was snooping around my favorite guilty university, Stanford and found a couple of videos while searching where everyone else that wants to find out what this damn illness is…..The Cells, The Ptoteus,the cloned bacterias, the buckeyballs, the supercondors….
somewhere along those lines lies the answer(s) to so many of our delusional fiber illness questions….
Excuse me- in reference to the above post of mine, I should have said “where everyone else SHOULD be searching.
From that recent Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story:
After a bath….
“The boy snuggles into his mother’s lap, dried off, quiet and agreeable. Mary Leitao rubs him with the prescribed scabies cream, making gentle circles with her hands. In the years that follow, the mother will think often about this moment, cursing it, re-examining it and pinpointing it as the start of everything. As Ms. Leitao rubs, something fiber-like emerges from the boy’s skin, she’ll later say. As a biologist, she’s mesmerized. As a mother, she’s horrified.”
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06204/707970-85.stm
*She shouldn’t have been, especially, being a biologist.
haha, funny you! Have you ever met Ms. Leitao? Just curious.
I have not.
“In the years that follow, the mother will think often about this moment, cursing it, re-examining it and pinpointing it as the start of everything.”
Okay, you guys I have just got to share this. Abouyt two months ago I was being my usual self, Queen Google, when I ran across a certain word that sure did sound suspicious to Morgellons. I posted about it on that monitoring site-Lymebusters, but did not get vvery much feedback at all. I then posted it on that other strange forum website, Biology-online > The Fiber Disease.(the one ran out of that college in Tennesee, Rhodes college)
Well a very intelligent man named John Kern answered me back by saying ” Oh, London, that is nothing; just an old bacteria.” So, of course me being the “I gotta know now dammit, type” started to do more searching.
The word? Morganella Morganii. I believe I have mentioned it here on this blog before too. Nevertheless, two months ago
I could only find 2 pieces of info on it. It just said a Bacteria that was discovered in the late 30’s and the other said it was discovered in the 70’s. Here we go again…..confusion, lies, coverup. (My opinion).
Now, today, well it’s strange to say the least. I now find the word all over the internet! How come the big change???
Here is an article here talking about this and histamine in fish. The other article I read today said a lot of people with this experience the unpleasant, Sepsis.
So, what do you all say?
http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?pid=S0327-07932002000200015&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en
Here is the original one I read- Pdf file….
http://cmr.asm.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/534.pdf
PS: I think the Primetime Show tonight is doing something about this disease. FYI
I meant to say above that the second hyperlink above (Pdf one) pretty much summed it up as being “Enterobacteria’
and now whoa buddy, look what this article has to say about it;
89. Morganella morganii ( Penicillin and Tetracycline
Resistant)
what????? If this is what we have (us crazy people anyway) you gonna tell me it’s antibiotic resistant?
Man I ‘ve been about to blow sickness everyday by taking the forever nausiating Doxy! Well, maybe this is not talking about my illness anyway, but gosh, sure does sound like it though.
(see # 89 when page opens- it’s listed in the column to the left.)
http://www.cetylite.com/pdf/cetylcide2_package_insert.pdf
oh, I see….that’s from me London up there in those two post talking about Morganella. Hmmm, Michael, when did you change the format to allow anonymous posters?
London, this blog has allowed anonymous comments since it moved to Wordpress (from blogspot). However I would appreciate it if you could still enter your name when posting a comment. If we get a lot of “Anonymous”, then it’s difficult to follow who said what.
I have edited the above three comments so they now say “London”.
I would also appreciate it if you try to say on topic. This blog is all about discussing if there is a real disease called Morgellons, examining the presented evidence, and discussing the MRF’s media campaign, and the role of the media in respect to Morgellons. Dragging up obscure bacteria is not really moving things forward. You need to establish some actual evidence of a distinct disease first, before you begin speculating regarding causes.
oh, I see, thanks for putting my name there. You see, earlier this morning when I posted here, it automatically listed my name. It always has since I’ve been posting here. But anyway, I’m glad you listed my name.
Now as far as your comment to me about staying on topic, I’m exactly on target. (all except for the media campaign by the MRF.) To that, I do apologize.
You said Michael, This blog is all about discussing if there is a real disease called Morgellons******************
That is exactly what I was doing above on my post! I mean sure, the name had vaguely changed from Morgellons to morganella morganii when I wrote up above, but I sure as heck was talking about the topic “Morgellons”.
and Michael, you see there is a lot of importance to this morganella word in my opinion, why? Well, as you referenced above that is was just an obscure bacteria….that is not
the case.
Nope,,,,the powers that be (mr. scientist make-up words man) has Morganella now listed as an INSECT as well as a serious pathenogen/ bacteria, I kid you not….
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Morganella_(Diaspididae)
but I will certainly try to oblige with your request, I will.
London
All of the symptoms listed on the Morgellons Case Definition can be caused by other known diseases. There’s no reason to look for a new disease or pathogen.
I would never have any occasion to meet Mary Leitao, London. If you’d read the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story, in the link where that excerpt from her came from, it’s very revealing.
Chicago Tribune’s July 24th article:
http://www.topix.net/content/trb/1463565689014712960138583852300126155501
Excerpt from Randy Wymore, PhD:
‘When dermatologists say these patients are either intentionally scratching themselves or it’s just fuzz from their clothing, well, there’s no way that would be visible under unbroken skin,’ Wymore said. ‘Do I have any clue what’s actually going on here? Absolutely none. But there’s no question about the fibers: They are not just environmental contaminants.’
Well, morgie people happen to do like most people, and they do intentionally scratch themselves when they itch, but many obviously get too carried away. I’m against, and in disagreement with, the MRF, and, with PhD Wymore’s perceptions, 100%. There “is too” a way that fuzz, fibers, and any other matter that has settled onto the skin’s surface can become embedded within the stratum corneum’s layers of the epidermis, making it visible under unbroken skin.
Many morgies misunderstand exfoliative processes, and, upon broaching the topic, take offense. There’s no reason for taking offense. One can bathe without exfoliating. There is a possibility that dry skin, from sun-damage, and the effects of dehydration, from inadequate water intake, and low humidity levels, have a role. Arterial blood gases and anemia too, could have a role. There are simple ways to remedy such things as that. Seborrhea and/or Psoriasis, could be a factor, also, though, for some.
The slow down in the skin cells’ turnover rate has quite a range of possibilities in this group of people. Of course, there are some who strip their skin on a regular basis. There are those who apply toxic chemicals, ranging from furniture polish, to pesticides, bleach, and lighter fluid. All of these people have problems, without question.
I unintentionally evoked anger, at attempts to promote better health and understanding inside this group of people, when I posted on their message boards. Naturally, I honestly touched upon things with a very heightened sense of awareness and sensitivity, back then, too. They were not interested. Most morgie people have their skin in either in a state of hyperactivity, or a state of hypoactivity. I’m just addressing their skin, here, and not all of their other, combined, health matters that comprise that ridiculous case definition that was made up to have this appear to be a new disease.
Again, any opinions I have on the topic of “morgellons disease” are not to be taken as a reflection of anyone else’s views. I apologize to everyone, here, that I discuss this topic so freely, now. Michael, I so much appreciate your blog, and your magnanimous spirit.
A long time ago, back in Morgieville, I was collecting specimens from the corners of my living room. I found a small spherically-shaped organisms that emitted orange light. It seemed clear that it wasn’t merely reflecting light, but that it was actually producing and emitting it. Wow.. what a strange little creature I had found.
I put it in a pint jar, along with some debris of various shapes and size, mostly fuzzy stuff. I was very much afraid to touch it. Several days later, I realized that the little glowing orb was a tiny plasic bead. Just another day in Morgieville.
I have to correct a mistake I made in reference to morgie message boards, when I’d said, “Naturally, I honestly touched upon things with a very heightened sense of awareness and sensitivity, back then, too.” No, I wasn’t well received when it came to the topic of Dr. Schwartz, because I said what I thought about him. Also, near the end of my time there, due to seeing one person’s posts that had seemed sincere, but they got right back into harmful substances only a couple of days later, I became upset and made an emotion-driven comment.
Some of the claims of the MRF seem to be sketchy, at best, but it seems to me that they are claiming that the blue, black, and red fibers are also fluorescing. Does anyone else read it that way? And do you know whether or not any clothing fibers other than white, or other real light colors, fluoresce under UV light?
SMACK!!!
OUCH!!
HOLY COW! LymeBusters CENSOR ALERT. The morgellons board just deleted and deleted and deleted negative news reports about MRF’s financial unaccountability! Dr. Greg Smith retracted his letter asking for donations. It was deleted within minutes. He tried again. Deleted again. Cliff Mickleson wrote a report about how the IRS was going to be investigatin Mary Lieto for failing to be accountable for donations received. She is unable to provide any documentation. Cliff Mickleson threatened to post at Rense.om and other places if it was deleted. That was deleted too. Now, the board is not accepting any replies or posts! Holy cow. Talk about a coverup!
The threads have been deleted!
Well, I guess I can stop looking for that 2005 Form 990.
tall cotton
would you consider taking care of a morgellons patient? I can arrange to have them delivered to your home maybe 4 or 5 patients? You would’nt be afraid of them would you?
They took Smith’s solicitation letter off the front page of the MRF, and upped the count to 4512 to 5493.
The letter is still on the contributions page:
http://morgellons.org/contrib.html
I’ll be interested in hearing what MRF Board member Dale Cowher has to say.
Dr. Smith’s retraction letter did urge people to send donations directly to OSU for Dr. Wymore’s research, instead of to MRF.
So Smiles, why’d you have to abuse your man like that? I thought he brought up a good point. Most of the reports I’ve read say that, among the darker colors, the blue fibers fluoresce, and the red and black do not. I don’t know this first-hand since I’ve never studied them with any special lights. Have you Bugs Alive…opps…I mean Tall Cotton?
ah
Get off it Houston, and be realistic. Do you hear yourself?
Houston,
No. I don’t want crotch crickets in my home.
Tall Cotton
MRF Lymebuster posts are now on a new thread:
http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/mrf-accounting-problems/
Smiley and Tall Cottons
You guys are making fun out of misery. There is a thing in life called Karma.
Nuf said
Im leaving your stupid post.
sru u
Greta,
you said:
HOLY COW! LymeBusters CENSOR ALERT. The morgellons board just deleted and deleted and deleted negative news reports about MRF’s financial unaccountability!
I’m sorry, but I’m out of the loop! why did you say lymebusters Censor Alert? Was this a post on their site?
or, was the MRF deleting them on their site. I’m just curious and trying to figure out what’s going on….I never have kept up w/ them too much.
who is who….yadayada…
thanks for anyone clueing me in.
and, yes, Like Smiley said to Michael…a big thank you too for all your work.
PS: Just go easy on censoring my delusions and illusions, Okay????????
London, see:
http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/mrf-accounting-problems/
okay, now I see Michael hyperlink re: lymebusters letter from Doc. Just call me dumbass Part II….
I fixed your part I (anon post)
Oh, no. I just became enlightened to meaning of “The Callus”.
http://www.rense.com/general72/callus.htm
TC, I shouldn’t have made light of a valid point you’d brought up. I missed the angle of your question (at the time), only considering the source and the goal that claim was after.
It’s listed under number 6, in the MRF’s “case definition” (”but clinicians report…”) and a reference to the clinician, (no doubt), is in that Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story, underneath the section entitled,
“Galvanizing force”.
I apologize, and I’m reposting your question.
Comment#86 tallcotton Says:
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Some of the claims of the MRF seem to be sketchy, at best, but it seems to me that they are claiming that the blue, black, and red fibers are also fluorescing. Does anyone else read it that way? And do you know whether or not any clothing fibers other than white, or other real light colors, fluoresce under UV light?
A quick investigation of my closet reveals that white is by far the most common fluorescent color, simply because that’s how modern white fabric is made now. After that, there is a small fraction of the red fibers that glow, and I had one darkish grey sweater that fluoresced.
The MRF says:
which I read as being more like:
in intent, but who knows. Show me the evidence.
Margerllons,
Hi, I have not been online today until now. I came to read where I left off ast night and that was under your posting of the letter from Dr. Smith. It says at the top of this page that it hs 36 comments. FYI: when I click onto your link to get there, it just says error, page cannot be dispayed. Wazup?
London
scratch that, it just let me thru. Sorry.
London
The wordpress site has been a bit variable; sometimes individual pages vanish for a minute of two. You can usually just come back later and all will be well.
Hi guys! I’m back for just a few - will try later today for more time. BTW - this Weds p.m. on ABC - Morgs segment. Now, please do your best to dispute the following:
*Ammonia is used as a cotton pesticide and for various fabric treatments (and, as reported, it does appear to totally debilitate the glowies).
*I have only found glowies in imported cotton products - and not all cotton - imported or otherwise.
*The U.S. has relatively high mfg/prod’n standards. The countries our corp’ns are now operating in have little-or-no stds, which is why our corp’ns are there. - they love child labor and zero rules!
*Omitting the ammonia (or any) pesticide treatment means more money for the CEO, etc. and it allows me to pay $1/yd for gold lame fabric that used to be $12. (I love the way the fabric bolt labels now say that “the point of origin is undetermined.” I even questioned a sales clerk about it, 2 yrs ago.)
What is so crazy about the theory that corp’ns are cutting corners, to the detriment of our health (e.g., the Ford Pinto)? Certainly not a new concept,.
*Why are people literally begging for help with this illness, yet doctors cannot or will not address it adequately, and all we hear about is bird flu - which no one here apparently has?
Isn’t it a little suspicious that no authority is speaking of this - after years of reports, yet they seem to be actively seeking anyone with freeking bird flu? If these Morgs folks are crazy, why didn’t they jump on the bird flu train, if they are just nuts looking for a place to roost? Maybe if bird flu symptoms included emerging fiber …
Plus, all the authorities have to do is officially denounce all Morgies are crazy - if indeed that is the case. The silence speaks volumes, and it’s exactly why folks are trying to figure it out for themselves.
Somewhere those who know exactly what’s going on are probably having a grand time reading these forums. I’ll be on for a few mins, and will try to get back later, too.
Glowie - all you are saying is:
“Imported cotton glows more than domestic cotton”
While I can’t really debate that, I fail to see what it has to do with Morgellons.
I’m back. Thanks Morgs, but nope, not all imported cotton fits this profile. Not at all. But that would make sense, since cotton comes from different growers, locations, etc.
As opposed to the Ford Pinto, which 5-cent part was omitted from ALL gas tank configurations. Only those who had accidents discovered the omission. Not everyone crashed their cars.
One is hard-pressed to find an American-made or -grown anything these days. Congress passed a bill saying we couldn’t even have source labeling on our food for 3 more years. Whazzup with that?
As I remember, they did that shortly after the hepatitis-laced strawberries came in from Mexico and the Chi-Chi’s restaurants went out of biz for contamination problem.
I don’t find it amusing that a very
serious and debilitating disease is
being regarded as a mental problem
and is being made fun of by ignorant people who do not bother to educate themselves about this illness. A very good friend has had this disease for almost two years and has finally come up with a treatment: Bee Proplis taken orally kills the parasites. Drinking Aloe Vera juice from a vitamin shop flushes them out. Don’t knock it if you don’t try it for those who have this terrible illness.
So, so sorry I happened upon this site. Why don’t you self-appointed experts GET A LIFE?????
From someone who believes in at least attempting to know what I’m talking about before I open my mouth - you people (NOT #117, but the vast majority of posters over the last several days) HAVE NOT THE FOGGIEST IDEA WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!! Further, your statements make it clear you’ve made little or no attempt to get any such idea - I know this because I’ve been an unwilling participant in the discussion since I developed this horrible syndrome in 1994. Your ‘discussions’ (altho I honestly wouldn’t say they rise to that level)also seem to assume that this problem suddenly appeared very recently, thanks to the single-handed ’smoke and mirrors’ of one woman, but nothing could be further from the truth. Try doing your homework before ridiculing (and very ineptly, I might add)people who actually MIGHT be living in a kind of agony you’d best hope isn’t waiting for you, shortly after you fall off the earth (you do still believe it’s flat, don’t you - I mean you haven’t gone and fallen for some ‘lymenut’ claim to the contrary, have you??)
My french manicure glows blue under the UV drying light– does that mean I have Morgellons?
i have been dealing with all of these alleged symptoms for the past 3 to 4 years. i pull fibery thing from my skin all the time. i have given up on asking for advice from any of my doctor’s office. i ultimately resigned accept the fact that maybe i was having delusions. i am really really relieved that i am not the only person experiencing this.
so where do i go from here?
Pkmixhie, assuming by your statement that you’d given up asking advice from any of your doctors, apparently you must mean that you chose not to take their advice. Saying that you ultimately resigned and accepted the fact that maybe you were having delusions, I’m assuming, does not mean that you went back to your doctor to receive the appropriate care for the condition. Now, if I understand correctly, since you have become aware that many others also are suffering from a delusional illness, being referred to as “morgellons disease”, you’re wanting to know what to do for yourself?
Follow what you were told by the first doctor you saw, especially if you saw even more and they’d diagnosed the same. There is no shame in treating such a condition. The brain is merely another organ in our bodies that can develop a problem. Just as a diabetic has to take insulin when their pancreas doesn’t function properly, a brain is also subject to malfunctions. It’s no big deal, it’s just the way it is, so treat it, so it can reset itself, and you’ll be better. I promise you this. Please give it a shot and end the misery. You’ll be glad you did.
Just as a diabetic takes insulin DUE to their pancreas not functioning, was how I’d meant to say what I said. I hope you consider this, Pkmixhie.
Don’t waste your time on morgellonswatch.com. This website is being paid for by the people responsible for spreading this disease/parasite/bacteria, whatever it is.
Factual information can be found at:
http://biology-online.org/biology-forum/about1958-3324.html (note that you scroll through the posts on the biology website by using the “GoTo Page…” in the upper right hand corner.
Also see:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no2/02-0222.htm and here is more:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2768446&dopt=Abstract
I just found out it is from the tobacco hornworm! This is the insect that the parasitoid wasp does a number on!!
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041025120719.htm
I have been trying to tell you guys about the ricsettsia diseases, in which they now call all of them the Bartonellas:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051219084711.htm
Lice Join Ticks As Possible Disease Carriers
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050328182844.htm
Sometimes factual, never relevant!!
I’m guessing that Smileykins is in denial of the likely fact that he had and still has Morgellons. His rebuttals are a little too emotional and excusive, and increasingly less objective and open-minded to mounting evidence otherwise.
That’s cuz it’s a completely personal agenda for him. He is merely projecting his own internal fear and denial upon the community at large. “It’s all in everybody’s heads, doesn’t exist and I don’t still have it, damn it! I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you!”
At least, that’s what he would love to believe…the real truth is faaaaarrrrr too frightening to accept.
Remember:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
1 down…4 to go Smileykins…
Dr. Kill,
You’re totally full of shit. If you knew anything about Smileykins you would know that she is a she, not a he. Until you get hold of some facts, I suggest that you keep your ignorant mouth shut.
Tall Cotton
Yikes! When did I turn into a male?
Doesn’t matter what your gender is, the psychoanalysis still holds true. You’re deeep in denial and secretly scared as HELL.
If not, I challenge you to meet any one of these “alleged” victims and give them great big, long hugs. Go ask for some fiber or other biosamples and play with them with your bare hands. Rub some of their debris on your arm. Would any of that worry you in the least?
Dr. Kill, I find it odd that Morgellons believers often use the fact that skeptic are reluctant to meet them, hug them, play with their scabs or whatever, as evidence that the skeptics secretly believe that Morgellons is a distinct disease that creates lesions and fibers.
If you think I felt someone was mentally disturbed, they why would you think it unusual that I would be reluctant to go out of my way to meet with them? Regardless, I don’t think that mental issues explains the whole picture.
No, I believe that several things are wrong with the Morgellon’s believers, I don’t think they all have the same thing, nor do I think the fibers are anything in particular, at least based on the evidence.
I think that many Morgellons believers DO have some skin conditions, as well as other potentially infectious diseases, which is why you would not find me handling their scabs and fibers as you suggest.
Remember:
Denial? When I first read things on lymebusters
Anger? Yes
Bargaining? Well, I suppose
Depression? I guess
Acceptance? That there is nothing I can do, yes.
Phil, the website clicking onto your name takes us to, is about someone so deep into delusions that she picks scabs during different stages in the healing process of her excoriation broadcasting pictures of it, thinking they are something entirely differen. She’s been doing a great job of establishing rapport with a set of people, too, convincing them of this.
I have reservations concerning hooking & baiting issues, and naturally, I can’t know the truth of the matter. If she’s that bad off mentally, I feel terrible. She never has come across sounding it thoush. My gut just talks to me a lot. Ha, not in a delusional way.
Smileykins - You just posted 3X in a row to yourself. For someone who “doesn’t have it,” you sure seem awfully concerned about it.
I hear a lot of self-doubt in your voice too, hence the need to constantly tell and reassure yourself it’s all imaginary.
So tell me, what symptoms are you still suffering? Just how bad is it now?
You are no doctor, but you are an idiot!!!
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=ytff1-msgff&p=impersonating%20a%20doctor&ei=UTF-8
Now that I’ve had some coffee and a chance to wake up.
(I realize I’ve violated the “never say never”, rule above, and I have more of my usual typos. Just take it out of my pay, and write me up, Michael. There was a discrepancy in last week’s pay, that I forgot to mention, anyway, and I got an extra hour of OT pay that I didn’t even earn.)
Dr.Phil Kill, even though you’ve thought that I’ve been an overly sensitive male, among some of your other misconceptons, you have still received a correctness in your perceptions of me. I was in denial of the overall picture, being unaccustomed to this phenomenon, and the real truth is faaaaarrrrr too frightening to accept. As hard as it is to, which is still an ongoing process for me, every day, it’s because I feel very little hope of anything ever being able to make it all better. If you can read between those lines, take that statement to heart.
Doc Kill, I’m not “secretly scared as hell” for myself, as your mind would have you believe, but for all the people who think they have this. I think I’m rather openly scared as hell for them. I’ve tried to conceal it, but I am real scared for them, and for everyone in their daily lives. I’m deciding whether I need to take a leave of absence from the topic, as I did around this time last year, since we’re being so swamped by this now, by those such as yourself.
I’m just playing around, as an ass clown, as I was referred to last night, of course, when I act like I work for Michael. What that is, is having to laugh to keep from crying.
Thank you for making me so much stronger, doc. I ain’t about to go nowhere, now. (Pssst…and hey, calm down now, and don’t let that link TC posted make you worry. I know how mixed up in your views of the world, you all are.)
I started reading about morgellons about 8 hours ago, and I must say I find absolutely riveting. The horror of living with such a condition is one that I can’t easily imagine. Thankfully, I can utterly discount it.
But why?
You have the CDC ‘communications specialist’
Rutz, Dan (CDC/NCID/OD)
direct email which is obviously noncommital to say the least, but still accepts that the CDC is to look into it. Which they are doing, b