Right now you are surrounded by billions of fibers.

This is perfectly natural, since fibers are everywhere. But if you think you might have a fiber disease such as Morgellons, then you need to able to distinguish normal fibers from fibers that are part of the disease.

Here’s a quick experiment. Turn your monitor off for a second and look at the screen. Covered with dust right? Look closer (get a magnifying glass if you have one), you will see the dust is mainly comprised of tiny fibers, about 1/16th of an inch long (1mm or so).

Where do they come from?

The biggest sources of fibers in the home are paper products and clothing.

Paper products are things like facial tissues, toilet tissue and paper. Paper is actually MADE from fibers. When you tear paper, the edges look like this (60x magnification):
torn-laser-printer-paper-60x.jpg

That’s just regular letter sized paper, the kind you use in your printer. Paper is actually made of millions of fibers!

Here’s the same piece of paper at 200x

torn-laser-printer-paper-200x.jpg

Those are some pretty serious fibers. Tiny though, only about 20 microns in diameter. They are visible to the naked eye if you have good eyesight.

Another common paper product is facial tissues such as Kleenex. Here’s some Kleenex at 60x:

kleenex-ultra-soft-60x.jpg

See it’s just like paper, made from millions of fibers – the fibers are just more spaced out to make it softer.

All paper products are basically the same, made entirely from cellulose fibers (extracted from wood).

What about clothes?

When you wash your clothes and dry them in the dryer, some of the fibers in the clothes come off, and that’s what makes the lint. If you look at lint under a microscope, it looks like this:

dryer-lint-fuzzball-60x.jpg

You can see it’s made from all different kinds of fibers, all different colors. Both from the clothes that were in the dryer, and other fibers the clothes might have picked up as you wore them, perhaps in contact with other clothes, or the clothes of other people you touched, or off furniture.

When paper, clothing or furniture shed fibers, the tiny fibers float around in the air and land on surfaces. Often they will land on you. If you take a fresh post-it pad and dab the sticky part over your face a few times, you will find it get quite a few fibers on it. Like this (10x):

face-postit-20-dabs-10x.jpg

Here’s a close-up (60x):

face-postit-20-dabs-60x.jpg

Not many, but I bet you did not think there were any fiber on your face, eh?

So, all these fibers flying everywhere from natural sources. If they touch something soft, they stick to it. So you tend to always find a few embedded in (and under) scabs or any mucus-like stuff you have one your body. Like this:

mucus-fibers-60x-3.jpg

Notice how the fibers here are just the same as the lint in the dryer. This indicates they are probably fibers from clothing. Paper fibers are probably there as well, just a bit harder to see.

What can we conclude?

There are lots of fibers on every surface and floating around in the air. This is not a bad thing, as the fibers are just paper or clothing fibers. The fibers will get on your skin, and get inside any damp lesion.

It’s almost impossible NOT to find fibers on your skin. Everyone has them, just most people don’t notice them, since they don’t look closely enough.

386 Responses to “Fibers are Everywhere”

  1. You are a moron.

    The fibres emerge FROM THE SKIN
    of Morgellons sufferers. Until you
    have seen it happen with your own
    eyes then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

  2. Well, sebum plugs emerge from the skin – I saw that happen with my own eyes, from my own skin, when teatree oil was applied.

    I’ve also collected fibers off my own skin. I did not see them come out of my skin though.

    I’ve also seen fibers all round, on every surface, and in the air.

    And that’s what I’m talking about, stuff that I’ve seen with my own eyes.

  3. Hi,

    I’ve watched many transparent, hair-like fibers jettison out of my skin during times when I was highly infected. These fibers shot out several inches in length, and stood as if they were hairs.

    They have a strength comparable to that of a human hair, but I don’t believe they are. In my opinion they formed as a liquid flowed through the pore and solidified as it hit the air.

    Tall Cotton

  4. Tall, have you considered how you might demonstrate this phenomenon to other people? Any way it could be captured on film or video?

  5. Also, Tall – I have to question “several inches” that implies at least two inches (about the length of your thumb), which should be easily visible to your doctor. Do other people see these things on you?

  6. Anonymous, you better check yourself, coming on here and telling this fine person what you did.

    “I”, for one, have “seen it happen with my own eyes”.

    Now, talk to “ME”.

  7. Michael,

    I suppose I could have demonstrated the phenomenon with the use of my webcam. I have, however, recovered from what I once called Morgellons. All I can do at this point is describe what happened.

    This phenomenon occurred several times, and there was never a question of it having been my eyes playing tricks on me. It happened at times when my symptoms were most severe. The skin on my face was infected and somewhat swollen.

    At first, I had no way of knowing exactly when the phenomen would occur, but I eventually realized that it usually happened just after washing my face, moreso it I rubbed triple antibiotic cream into my skin.

    I finally came to the conclusion that I was partially disolving, and dislodging sebum plugs from hair follicles, allowing a pressurized liquid to be extruded from the pores.

    The longest of these hair-like fibers was approximately 5 inches in length. Most were only about 2 inches long. They were about the same diameter as the hair on my head. They were always transparent.

    I don’t know whether or not the follicular walls were ruptured or not, allowing the release of sebum, dead wall cells, cholesterol, propionibacteria acnes, etc. to move out under the skin and build up, and later be extruded, or whether the swelling was merely within the follicles. The whole lower half of my face would become swollen, but I never had any pimples.

    The infection on my face originally began, however, when I picked several blackheads after having a long standing sinus infection. I had bright red spots all over the lower part of my face the morning after I picked the blackheads.

    I have been without symptoms now for over a year and a half now, for the most part, with the exception of having powdery dry sebum. This is possible due to general dehydration. I do drink very large amounts of caffeinated cola.

    Tall Cotton

  8. Oh you sticks, you stones,
    You worse than senseless things

    Aliens. It’s all being done by aliens.

  9. A true fact. Documentation (like our friend Carrie’s “factual documentation” for which I am waiting still with abated breath).

    In the Free New Mexican there was a story about how a Morgellons sufferer had a fiber that grew three feet long in a petri dish.

    Seriously, they didn’t save it? They didn’t think to take a picture? What did they do, throw it away?

    “Factual evidence.” Right.

  10. these have been verified by dermatologists. the origin is from the middle east. it started when troops came back from iraq (desert storm) it since has spread to all 50 states. and the u.k. some alternative meds work well treating it ,if caught early. such as oregano oil, olive leaf extract, vinegar cider and peroxide, tea tree oil. along with antibiotics that are used for lyme disease.
    oregano oil is even effective against the mrsa superbug.
    may the good Lord heal our afflictions.

  11. Anon, sounds like you have it well in hand.

  12. Anonymous and cotton are right! I have the fibers too, they started when I was around 13, mostly around my scrotum and pubus, then they spread upward toward my navel and eventualy they began springing from my face, around my upper lip and chin, this was occampanied by horrible marks on my skin, like raised, irritated ares, when I applied pressure to these areas a small white collumn would emerge. Also these fibers, like Tall said, are much stronger then human hair, and quickly build more of an immunity when you attempt to cut them off. I’ve lived with this condition for 3 years now. Shame on you Michael for making light of such a serious situation, I bet if something like this happened to you you would think differently.

  13. Nicely put Ditch. You had me for a second. :)

  14. Thanks, here’s a little additional reading that relates to this pandemic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_panic

  15. I hope Tall Cotton’s gonna thank ya for this enlightenment. When are any of you morgies ever gonna figure out that “the good Lord”, only comes to those who believe in Him? Please.

    Those empty words of faith abound in much of your talk, and too many of you even try to use them in efforts to hope you’re giving a sense to readers that you know the Lord.

    Get your heads out of the pits of hell, and stop it. Oh, I forgot you belong to a club that promotes that fear. What was I thinking?

    Place your bets with me, Ditch and Anonymous. Tell me all your woes, beg me for pity, shame me for the way I talk. Pray for my soul and warn me of karma.

    It’s apparent why you do such things, and way too obvious why you can’t read Smileykins’ and Tall Cotton’s true accounts from when this happened to them, as well.

    When a person is suffering, and I “do mean suffering”, one does not defend it like it’s their best friend in the whole wide world. One gets rid of the cause.

  16. Fibers are everywhere alright.

    “Developement of Bioactive fibers”

    University of Dartmouth.

    http://www.ntcresearch.org/pdf-rpts/AnRp00/m00-d03.pdf

    This is just one of many who were experimenting in developing bioactive fibers. Fibers that are a cross between chemical, mammalian, plant, and bacterial cells.

  17. Repost web address.

    http://ntcresearch.org/pdf-rpts/
    AnRp00/m00-d03.pdf

    “Developement of bio active fibers”

    University of Dartmouth.

    Textile industries have already purchased the rights to this technology and are now using it. This particular technology was developed in the year 2000. There was alot more going on between other Universities using simaliar bio technology.

  18. Oh, please, try holding it back, and saving yourself the trouble of trying to persuade clear minded people. It is not good to do such a thing as harming your reputation any further. Please save yourself, from yourself, and don’t do this here. We aren’t full of fear and having paranoid delusions on this blog. That’s only YOU, not anybody here.

  19. Anonymous, if you have got fibers trapped and embedded in your disfunctional epidermis, take the necessary measures to get it back into a state of functioning again. It can be done. If clothing is concerning you, read labels. Get focused, and out from under so much fear.

  20. That article from the University of Dartmouth.

    Pretty scary isnt it? Whats worse is watching you three squiggle and worm trying to give me a logical answer, which you havent, concerning this article.

    You three have one objective on this site. Convince them they are dilusional. Convince the rest of the public they are dilusional.

    Its an old tactic used in medicine and trench warfare.

    When you use the term Parasitical Dilusions you are using a term that is now days connected with meth addicts, i.e. “crank sores” “crank bugs”.

    Lets get something straight.

    I dont use meth. Ive never used meth and I dont appreciate you refferring to people here as dilusional as you are playing link the condition with the drug.

    That is the underlying message everytime you open your big mouth and use that phrase and make your online diagnosis.

    I like how you filter through what you want to hear and what you dont regardless if that comes from a reputable University of not.

    Is that the best answer you can give after reading this document?

    Your pathetic to turn around and call anyone dilusional after reading this document from a reputable University.

    So right now I need to hear some logical conversation about this out of you on this subject and not your dilusional instant online diagnosis rhetoric.

    specifically I want your response to the article posted,

    “Developement of bio active fabrics”

  21. Anonymous person, I haven’t looked at your nonsense, for good reason. It doesn’t interest me, and I don’t want to reinforce your delusions. Your own kind can do that for you.

    Now, if I had any feelings whatsoever that you were crying out for actual assistance, I would read it and give my synopsis. I’ve played that game too many times with your type in the past, though. I am not engaging in it anymore. It’s over and done with.

    Mercy sakes, go back and share that with your same-minded acquaintances. You are just showing the reality of the illness, here, with your feeble attempts at what you think is a purposeful enlightenment of members of a normal-thinking society.

    I have grown too weary wasting time and effort dealing with morgie people, and having it said that I don’t realize what you’re going through.

    You’re protecting a lie, and when anyone gets too close to exposing it you’re all threatened and have no options other than to lash out.

    People are not as dense as you and your fellow club members have deluded yourselves into thinking.

    We’re very open-minded, intelligent people here. You and your friends’ abstract thought patterns and being caught up within the eye of the morgellons hurricane you’re in, has you not knowing shit from shine-o-la.

  22. Oh I promise you have fully read the document.

    Your just intimidated by it.

    You also dont know how to respond to it. And the fact that I posted it pisses you off.

  23. Personally I’m not the least bit interested in bio-engineered clothing materials. I’m not particularly interested in any kind of clothing materials. You are obviously obcessed with the issue, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Morgellons.

  24. Oh Anonymous, why, you’re just plain being a goofy poopyhead. I’ve never been intimidated by anything in my life…ever!

    In another section of this blog, Michael, being the kind, respectful, person that they are, read all about what you consider to be such an informative link on those bioactive fibers.

    I posted my remarks right underneath Michael’ comments on it. I read about that a long, long time ago.

    Now really, I’m so sorry, but you do need to try calming yourself down a little. It may only be that you simply need something for anxiety. Have you ever considered that?

    I wish you well, and I wish you there rapidly. In the meantime, if it really serves to assist you any, stay here and fire away at me. I insist on it, if it helps.

  25. Anonymous, I’m sorry. I missed seeing that you’re offended. I haven’t implied anything, whatsoever, regarding any relationship to meth users and “morgellons symptoms” as being associated with each other.

    Now that I’ve seen, and admitted, The University of Dartmouth’s article has turned out to be something that I had read in the past, can you read my and Tall Cotton’s story? I’d be happy to hear yours, too.

    http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/

    If you choose not to, that’s fine. Not that you care, but we’ve gone through the same symptoms.

    It’s lengthy, and we’re sorry it may be hard to follow. At least, here’s an excerpt from my account.

    “… my mouth filled with putrefied matter that appeared to be worms. They came out of my ears, eyes, and nose, as well. My mouth filled with them quicker than I could spit them out and the rotting taste was indescribable. I couldn’t eat. I was becoming more and more malnourished.”

    Anonymous, really, a person can suffer from many types of delusions, due to a large number of causes, and I am certainly not saying that you are! I don’t even think a lot of morgie people have delusions such as visual hallucinations. Some do, yes, but I think that many are obsessed and utterly confused over what they are seeing, which is not the same thing as a hallucination.

    I have never diagnosed anyone, but I have formed opinions based on my own experience, as well as what I know of others from communicating, as well as reading things written in their own words on message boards.

    I’m sorry for not having seen how I had offended you, and really, I can’t make the connection as to how I did.

  26. Well let me make it perfectly clear.

    “parasitical dilusions”

    “insanity”

    “phsycosis”

    “wearing insanity on his sleave”

    Or any other version that you diagnose to people online WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOURS EVEN IF THEY DONT HAVE A SKIN CONDITION.

    GET IT.

  27. Unfortunately, that’s not clear at all. But I take it you were trying to say that Smileykins has, contrary to her protestations, actually diagnosed people online.

    I think if you read her posts, you’ll see this is not true. Saying that a group of people tend to exhibit delusional tendencies is simply a general observation, and not a diagnosis.

    There’s no way to diagnose someone over the internet. Which makes it even more wrong that the MRF is basing their case on an internet survey of no statistical merit.

  28. oh its a general observation huh?

    Well what the hell does it say at the top of the main blog page?

    A variety of mental health issues.

  29. It says: “Sufferers have a mixed variety of physical and mental illnesses.”

    What’s wrong with that?

  30. Nothing.
    you wrote it from experience.

  31. I would like to know how you get rid of the sores. Is there a cure?

  32. That depends on what is causing the sores. That needs to be determined by effectively communicating with your doctor about your symptoms. Please don’t assume you have the same thing as other people. There are lots of causes for sores and itching. A doctor will work with you to find the most effective treatment.

  33. [...] In absence of any epidemiological studies, the only thing that makes the claims of Morgellons at all notable are the “fibers” that sufferers claim to have emerging from their skin. Now I’ve written quite a lot about this before, basically showing that fibers are everywhere, and that many of the photos of fibers shown can easily be identified as Kleenex, or clothing fibers. [...]

  34. I have been afflicted with Morgellons Disease for about three years. I have literally become financially bankrupt trying every kind of salve, ointment, parasite treatment, and herbal oils to stop the constant biting, burning and itching that I my body was suffering from this gross condition.

  35. I do not know how I contracted the Morgellons parasite but for the past three years it has been horrible experience. I have seen all kinds of fuzz balls, weird illuminated colored hair-like fibers and parasitic larvae looking organisms that look just like the Morgellons pictures posted on their various websites. In the past, I had consulted several physicians about my problem and they acted as though I was a mental case, so I do not consult them anymore.

    Literally, I became financially bankrupted by purchasing every kind of antibiotic salves, ointment, parasite treatments laced with insecticidal poison, and herbal oils to find a remedy or cure for removing this parasitic infestation, but all attempts failed. Most of the remedies were ineffective in stopping the constant biting, burning and itching that suffered on a daily basis.

    Out of desperation, I started to dangerously experiment with chemicals and herbal oil mixtures. I finally narrowed my herbal oil selection to 8 different oils and other chemical additives combined with 91% alcohol, which result into a toxic tincture. I discovered that leaving it in a dark bottle for three months created a potent tincture that was very damaging to the skin but upon contact, it instantly killed the nasty parasites because they came out of the skin dead and in droves. This was too toxic and caused skin damage so I stopped using the tincture.

    To make this story short, I resorted in trying freshly extracted limejuice. I choose the lime because it is extremely acidic and contain less fruit fructose. Limes contain 95% terpenes, and are an expectorant, a dietetic and vermifuge. I prefer limes because limejuice has less sugar content than lemons; plus, it will not make the skin feel as sticky after it has dried on the skin. I used squeezed limejuice and applied it to the skin starting from 15 minutes to see how my skin would react to the fruit acid and I slowly increased the time to 24-hour application over a period of two months. The limejuice was applied head to toe; I was relieved from the itching, burning and biting sensations. Although limejuice is not a cure, it does kill many of the disgusting creatures near the skin surface. Warning: Do not use limejuice for too many days because it is a skin defoliate but too much acidic will burn the skin. You need rest time between days of treatment, or according to your skins time reaction.

    I rubbed the squeezed juice of this acidic fruit on to all of my body parts that itched; unfortunately, that involved covering my whole body. I was quite surprised that the juice did not sting or irritate my skin. First, I let the limejuice dry on my skin for about 30 minutes. I filled the bathroom sink with hot water, dipping my fingers into the water and slowly rubbed my skin in circular motions. As I rubbed my skin, I saw black bundled fiber like creatures and what looked like gross larvae’s (dead) coming from the skin, and fiber like hairs extruding from my fingers and fingernails. Looking closely, the larvae appeared to have blue or reddish entrails and other strange looking appendages that I could not see well enough without using a microscope. I noticed that the creatures varied in size, as I looked at some of them through a magnifying glass I recognized some of the parasites from the Morgellon’s photographs posted on their website. I was completely grossed out that these things were inhabitating my body and I had no way of completely eradicating them. I also saw some parasites that were not Morgellons, which let me know that there are other parasite creatures that can infest the human skin, ugh!

    I still find many fibers and other remnants of the parasites continually habituation but at least I know how to stop the unbearable itching and biting that can just drive you nuts. It also kills many of the creatures that are closed to the skin surface. It is amazing how so many parasites can inhabitant one human skin pore.

    I don’t know if everybody can tolerate lime juice on their skin and private areas but I suggest letting it dry for 15 minutes and see if any thing results and if your skin can deal with this treatment. It is a trial and error timing here and you are the only one that can determine how long you can leave the limejuice on your skin type before any damage occurs. I usually leave the limejuice on for 1-hour. This is a trail and error experimental treatment so I cannot tell anybody how long they should leave the limejuice on their skin to kill the parasites and without damaging the skin. I keep the wonderful lime fruits well stocked in my home, not only to drink limeade but as a parasitic vermifuge, and skin defoliate, etc… Oh yes, a little limejuice under the armpits it is better than deodorant.

  36. You are sadly mistaken. There is no Morgellons parasite. There is no Morgellons Disease. Your pictures may look like others from so-called Morgellons patients, but theirs certainly don’t look like parasites. Now, I’ve seen hundreds of photos claiming to be from people suffering from this pseudo-disease, and only a very few pictured parasites. My guess is that you’re delusional like the rest.

  37. I read the long blog entry about Smileykins and Tallcotton, and I’m surprised no one else here has ventured a very simple observation as to the cause of the ill health of these two people:

    They are both mentally ill.

    I mean hel-LO! Smileykins was obviously hallucinating most of what she experienced. Tallcotton openly admits to meth use but doesn’t reach the obvious conclusion that the meth was making him hallucinate. The “symptoms” he describes are well known effects of meth use.

    Psychotic people who believe they have bugs under the skin or some kind of skin disease will usually pick at their skin, cut themselves, scratch, and do other things that eventually result in actual skin lesions (wounds that aren’t healing because of repeated picking).

    Hopefully Smileykins and Tallcotton are “well” now. But I would urge them to consider that their obsession with wellness and bizarre sources of illness IS, in fact, all in their heads.

    As a person who has dealt with mental illness personally, I know how real these things can seem.

  38. Your reading comprehension is obviously lacking. Try again!!!

  39. Ral, please don’t consider us a threat to your “disease”. You just aren’t able to understand anything right now, including that if your “disease” is really real, there’s no amount of words that anyone can say to the contrary that will ever take it away from you.

  40. I didn’t mean that the way it sounded. I meant, “morgellons disease”. You’re free to have it, Ral, and it’s apparent that you believe you do, showing, as so many others have, in your typical morgie behavioral patterns. Enjoy.

  41. Do some of you work for the textile industry?

  42. Was this website created to attempt to cover up something that the textile industry is already aware of?

  43. I am currently experiencing my first few days with Morgellons. It’s a fascinating, horrifying experience. And I think I got it from some 100 percent cotton flannel sheets. I have saved the evidence. Maybe this is a lawsuit material just waiting to happen.

  44. Why do you think you have “Morgellons”?

  45. Sorry, I shouldn’t have mentioned Morgellons because it’s not a real disease.

    I have a lesion on my chest, the intact skin around it is filled with black fibers which I can see through my Radio Shack microscope. I could also see what looked like black mold growing around the lesion on the clear waterproof sterile bandage that I had applied to the lesion. When I looked at the bandage under the microscope, I saw the fibers that appears to be very very similar to some shown on Morgellons websites. Just a bit ago, I was checking my chest and found what looked kind of like a tick inside of my clean undergarmet. I looked at it under the microscope and it was a black ball of fibers. Almost looks like some sort of bug wrapped in the fibers. I could go on and on, but I won’t because you don’t believe any of this.

  46. I think the textile industry is trying to hide something. Do you work for the textile industry?

  47. I’ll be documenting everything and saving everything and then looking for a good law firm to take this case.

  48. I have all of these “symptoms”:
    1. Skin lesions with intense itching.
    2. Crawling sensations, both within and on the skin surface.
    3. Significant fatigue.
    4. Cognitive difficulties described by patients as “brain fog”.
    5.“Fibers” are reported in and on skin lesions.

    The fibers aren’t debilating. It’s the fatigue, the brain fog and the itchiness that are most troublesome to me.

  49. it’s obvious these fols suffer from delusions or are tweeking. you look at anything under a microscope and it will look weird and alien. it might be true that a small number of them actually suffer from a parasital or bacterial infection but the fiber thing is really ridiculous. i’ve looked at countless sites and pics and ninety percent of the evidence given is not parasites. it seems that the chick that started the foundation has munchausen syndrome and has found a few psychotic hypochnodriacs who now have a new illness to play with, just like 9/11 was fot the conspiracy theory nuts. good luck to all you nuts and donate to the university not a non-profit most, including the red-cross, cannot manage their finances.

  50. Max, they’ll bet you $100 you’re wrong. Better jump on that!

  51. # FibersToo Says:
    August 8th, 2006 at 8:24 pm

    I have all of these “symptoms”:
    1. Skin lesions with intense itching.
    *Smileykins wants to know if scratching the intense itching is what caused those lesions, in the first place (please, be honest)
    2. Crawling sensations, both within and on the skin surface.
    *Smileykins has this too. It’s allergies, for me. I had it pretty bad last night, but I generally do well at keeping away from my triggers. Perspiring will do it to me too, though.
    3. Significant fatigue.
    *Smileykins has very significant fatigue. She ain’t no spring chicken anymore.
    4. Cognitive difficulties described by patients as “brain fog”.
    *(I said, Smileykins ain’t no spring chicken, anymore)
    5.“Fibers” are reported in and on skin lesions.
    *Smileykins says: You really don’t realize with those sticky lesions, that it’s perfectly normal for you to have fibers in, and on, them?
    Do you ever wear a black shirt, or come into contact with anything dark, that got into the lesion on your chest, or maybe hadn’t bathed for several days, due to the significant fatigue?

    The fibers aren’t debilating. It’s the fatigue, the brain fog and the itchiness that are most troublesome to me.

    Do you need to have “morgellons disease”? You’re free to, if it’s what you want, but I don’t recommend it.

  52. Oh, shoot. Upon reviewing, you’ve already gone so far as to look at this under a microscopic lens, FibersToo? I strongly suggest throwing that thing out, or selling it. Don’t waste your time and energy obsessing with this, and saving “specimens”. Those are not “specimens”. It’s crud!!! Total crud. That’s why all those pics from people who think they have this look so much alike. You’re just falling victim to the power of suggestion. That’s all you’re doing. Now, since you’re already at that point, you may not be able to just turn it off and focus your attentions elsewhere, especially if you geniunely think you have a lawsuit in the making. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Reel yourself in, if you can.

    You said, “It’s a fascinating, horrifying experience.”

    Really, I’m dead serious. You should try to stop it right now, if you’re just in your first few days. Don’t get in the grip of it. Go to a doctor, and don’t say anything about the fibers or anything that you see that you believe resembles an insect. It isn’t. It’s just normal cellular waste material from your own body, that’s doing its job.

    You don’t even have to see a doctor, if the itching isn’t too bad. Just buy stuff for it. Topical treatments, and benadryl. Benadryl comes in a spray preparation too, and it’s real good for itching.

    If you can’t control your thoughts on this, look the hell out!!!!! Now, I’m not kidding you. Look the hell out. This is not a disease. Not like you’re thinking it is. Please watch your step. Do not scratch anymore. Allow your skin to heal.

  53. i’ll admit i’ve experimented with some halucinogenics, amphetamines, and other fun stuff. and i have experienced the same things when i was in that state, i also thought i saw a pink elephant crossing the street. does it make it real? no!

  54. Why won’t you answer the question? Do you work in any capacity for the textile industry?

  55. The itch was so bad that I did have to see a doctor. And he saw what I saw. Hydroxzine relieves the itch, but it does not stop it.

    What is it with you. Why are you so vehemently opposed to the possiblity of Morgellons? What’s in it for you? Must be some sort of financial gain to keep this from actually becoming a “real disease”.

  56. The answer to your question “Do you ever wear a black shirt, or come into contact with anything dark, that got into the lesion on your chest, or maybe hadn’t bathed for several days, due to the significant fatigue”.

    No I was not wearing black clothing. I had bathed and cleaned the area with an alcohol wipe. It was then completed covered with a clear bandage that blocks out water but allows air to reach the lesion. The black moldy stuff that grew around the lesion was visible through the bandage.

  57. Your comments: “Go to a doctor, and don’t say anything about the fibers or anything that you see that you believe resembles an insect.” and “Look the hell out. This is not a disease. Not like you’re thinking it is. Please watch your step.”

    Are you trying to intimidate me.

    Another indication that you have some financial gain to be made by this story remaining a mystery. If it’s not a disease, then what it is? An infestation of parasites or worms from new 100% cotton flannel sheets that I didn’t wash before I put them on the bed??? I guess that wouldn’t be called a “disease”. That would be called a lawyers dream.

  58. Morgellans appears to be yet another child of the internet. Review the postings that come up in a Google search and you will find almost exactly the same language and phraseology repeated from site to site – and most recently in the newswire stories. This is midsummer, remember, the silly season, when journalists look for oddball stories to sell newspapers.
    500+ cases – a hard number to confirm and in any case statistically insignificant – hardly ‘sweeping the nation’. (Gross Morbid Obesity is vastly more prevalent in North Am with rather obvious pathologies). It certainly isn’t hard to come up with 500 delusional hypochondriacs in a population of 350 million. In days gone by, these mentally ill people would suffer in isolation, but today, thanks to the miracle of the web, they can form an online support group, reinforcing and codifying each other’s hallucinations. It’s what humans do best. Of course, there is no shortage of lawyers and unscrupulous medical researchers in the land of for-profit medicine willing to take them ‘seriously’ in search of research dollars. Petty sad stuff.
    It’s hard not to smile though – one posting wrote in all seriousness that the ‘fibers’ extracted from the wounds were found to be cellulose – so the current direction of research was to identify bacteria capable of producing cellulose. If ever there was a time to invoke ‘Occams Razor’ this is it. “The simplest explanation is most likely to be true” – the cellulose fibers are PAPER.

  59. Further to my last post, the photos on the ‘Morgellons Research Foundation’ website confirm that this is a munchausen-by-proxy obsession at best, a cynical hoax at worst (I’m leaning towards hoax). Notice the so-called lesions on the child’s lip – particularly the linear quality and extremely even spacing. These are almost certainly lacerations (cuts), possibly from the claws of an angry cat. The magnifications of tissue showing fibers are obviously showing contamination from clothing, probably a blanket. I just checked my belly button and found a creepy little black thing that looked like a bug, but which under a magnifying glass was determined to be a bundle of fibers! There are bundles of whitish fibers between my toes as well…

    A more interesting study would be to research the neurochemical imbalance that leads to this kind of delusional behaviour. 5 will get you 10 that the folks who have suddenly discovered they ‘have’ this so-called condition have a history of other mental illness – probably untreated due to their inability to afford medical treatment.

    The real issue here is not whether this fantasy is real, it is whether the perpetrator of this hoax should be prosecuted for malicious mischief or fraud.

  60. It’s not a hoax. Mary Leitao really believes in Morgellons.

    This is an old thread – more active conversations happen on the newer threads, currently :

    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/08/abc-morgellons-medical-mystery/

    See also the “Recent Comments” box in the left column.

  61. Most Americans are touching textiles made in 3rd world countries about 23.5 hrs per day. Do you think any of those countries have any environmental controls? Isn’t it possible that something is contaminating the organic materials used in textiles that is then contaminating our bodies? But, no, let’s blame it on paper… let’s divert our attention from what could be the root cause of this issue and call everyone who thinks they have Morgellons crazies… talk about mind manipulation. This is about money…. corporate greed. Someone knows what is going on and they are not sharing the information with the public. We’ve seen it happen many many times in the past… it’s happening again.

  62. From your comment “there is no shortage of lawyers and unscrupulous medical researchers in the land of for-profit medicine willing to take them ’seriously’ in search of research dollars”. Let’s think about this in reverse… who has money to lose? The textile industry maybe?

  63. Who is sponsoring this website? Why would anyone waste their time trying to discredit a disease that “crazies” think they have? What would be in it for the sponsor? Maybe mind manipulation to throw off the general public and since we’re talking about the general public, maybe even use a little hillbilly redneck language so that everyone gets it. I think the people behind this website are extremely intelligent and are masters of mind manipulation. They have a motive… what could it be?

  64. What do you mean, “sponsor”?

  65. “Sponsor” meaning the person or persons that have the most to gain or lose from the existance of this website

  66. I don’t think anyone has anything to gain or lose by the existence of this website?

  67. of course fibers are everywhere… but morgellons and only morgellons fibers are morgellons fibers…

    who’s paying you Michael?… do you work for the government?… a university?… a bio-tech company responsible for this?… c’mon… give it up… you are so transparent, i can see right through you… you fucking genius you!…

  68. What are the characteristics of a morgellons fiber? All Wymore has said is that they are “unidentified”. How is your regular person supposed to know what a Morgellons fiber looks like?

  69. What are the characteristics of a morgellons fiber?… the jury is still out on that one jr.

    regulular person… you mean non-victim such as yourself… you tell me… you seem to be a self-proclaimed fiber expert… i would be careful with what you are playing with… some of the fibers in our environment are morgellon’s fibers… keep playing with them please… you will know when you find one…

    regular people are ignorant to this… i used to be ignorant to this too when i was a regular person… that ignorance was my bliss…

    c ya later spook

  70. Therein lies the problem, MAF. “Regular” people ask about the make up or characteristics of “morgellons” fibers and they are only told they are ignorant because how could they possibly understand if they’ve never experienced it? Duh, JUNIOR, that’s why they’re asking. Instead of engaging in a conversation you spew hateful remarks and resort to name calling. You lost me at “assfucker.”

    Thanks to all the morgellons sufferers who have actually taken the time to talk and explain about their disease…Aherah, SarahConnor, London, TexasRose, etc. (forgive me if I’ve forgotten anyone). We might not always agree but you’re helping me understand what you’re going through. I know that help will eventually be there for you, so hang in there, please!

  71. most regular people think morgellon’s victims are crazy… and worst yet, the medical professionals diagnose victims that way… even regular people who were once friends are now gone… we are labeled delusional yet so many are afraid we are contagious…

    so blow me mhks… i wasn’t talking to you… do you think i am here for you?… do you think i care what you think?… newsflash nancy… i don’t… go on with your regular life… if you have one… what are you doing here anyway?… if you are here and you are not a victim, then maybe you have an agenda as well…

    i am just sick and tired of people intentionally fucking with the minds of both the infected and the “regular” people… can’t stand their alterior motives… can’t stand their hidden agendas… i am sick of being sick… this is one bug you do not want… ever back an injured animal into a corner and see what happens?… better kill it or be prepared to fight…

    so Michael cuts, copies, and pastes excerpts from other sites into this site and then adds his own sick twist… he directs traffic here from other sites by posting links to his own narrow-minded one-sided blogs… which is all fine and dandy… but i can see right through it all… you have a secret don’t you Michael?… something you are trying to protect…

    again Michael… who the fuck do you work for?… you don’t have this disease do you?… that is why you will fail at what you are trying to accomplish… we aren’t going away…

    to you and the people you work for the fibers are collateral damage… to the victims, they are the smoking gun… macroscopic evidence that will help solve this crime…

  72. MAF, if you would like to point out any errors or omissions on the site, I would be happy to correct them.

    And I agree, the fibers are the key to the whole matter.

  73. Well MAF, thanks for explaining some of what you are going through. Sorry I interrupted your spewing earlier. It sounds like you are indeed in a lot pain and I hope you find the answers you’re looking for soon. No one deserves to suffer like you apparently are.

  74. Don’t waste your time on morgellonswatch.com. This website is being paid for by the people responsible for spreading this disease/parasite/bacteria, whatever it is.

    Factual information can be found at:
    http://biology-online.org/biology-forum/about1958-3324.html (note that you scroll through the posts on the biology website by using the “GoTo Page…” in the upper right hand corner.

    Also see:
    http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no2/02-0222.htm and here is more:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2768446&dopt=Abstract
    I just found out it is from the tobacco hornworm! This is the insect that the parasitoid wasp does a number on!!

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041025120719.htm

    I have been trying to tell you guys about the ricsettsia diseases, in which they now call all of them the Bartonellas:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051219084711.htm

    Lice Join Ticks As Possible Disease Carriers
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050328182844.htm

  75. One of the reasonable sites. I have psoriasis and of course recognize at least some pictures as outbreaks of this – unfortunate, but not as strange as the described symptoms. Lets see what the CDC comes up with.

  76. NO!!! I wasn’t trying to intimidate you!!!

    FibersToo Says:
    August 9th, 2006 at 5:16 am

    Your comments: “Go to a doctor, and don’t say anything about the fibers or anything that you see that you believe resembles an insect.” and “Look the hell out. This is not a disease. Not like you’re thinking it is. Please watch your step.”

    Are you trying to intimidate me..

    Dear FibersToo,

    You didn’t get anything more from my personal comments to you, than that? I just found this tonight, and I want to tell you, that you deceived me into thinking that you were in your first few days with this thing you believe you have. That is what you had written. I’d thought you just had a small place on your chest. You have torn me up all to pieces in your inability to understand my advice that I thought I was passing on to someone that was not as bad off as what you are. NO, I was NOT trying to intimidate you. I’d meant that “IF” you were in the first few days, to go to get that little place checked at your doctors, and that unless you wanted to be thought of as delusional (which you ARE, now, I see), to not say anything about thinking you’ve got something people that are mentally ill are calling “morgellons disease”. I’d misunderstood that you were already there. I’m sorry, too. I’m not going to go through this mistake again. I am not going to!!!!!!!!

    Enjoy yourself.

  77. FibersToo,

    None of us work for the clothing industry and we are not participating in any coverup of any kind. The owner of this blog, and the individuals that try to help support it, feel that there are other, more likely, explanations at this point, than the idea of morgellons being a distinct disease.

    When Smileykins said, “look out”, she was referring to the ease with which the subject of morgellons becomes an all consuming obcession for some people. We are here for one reason, and that is to help people. Try to follow your doctor’s advice and protect your skin as much as possible.

    Tall Cotton

  78. I apologize for the outburst. I got suckered just like old times, and it hurts.

    http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/2006/05/it-all-started-with-young-boy-named.html

  79. My comment #53:

    If you can’t control your thoughts on this, look the hell out!!!!! Now, I’m not kidding you. Look the hell out. This is not a disease. Not like you’re thinking it is. Please watch your step. Do not scratch anymore. Allow your skin to heal.

    That was the whole quote. Thanks a lot. Why even come here and say anything like you wanted help?
    Don’t answer, but think long and hard, real long and hard about that for yourself.

  80. FibersToo,

    None of us work for the clothing industry and we are not participating in a coverup of any kind. There are other, more likely, explanations at this point, than the idea of morgellons being a distinct disease.
    You were warned to “look out” because of the ease with which the subject of morgellons can become an all consuming obcession. Please follow your doctor’s advice and protect your skin as much as possible. Conspiracy theories only add to the hysteria and fear that is being generated regarding the topic of morgellons.

    Tall Cotton

  81. Did xrays exist before they were “discovered”?? Your bias is obvious, only exceeded by your ignorance. As the head of the Tulsa Crime Lab said on the ABC Special, he submitted these fibers to the FBI Fiber database, which contains 1.5 million samples. Forensic specialists are more than competent to determine if they are “man made”, natural or environmental. Guess what? NO MATCH! FBI couldn’t match them.

    So, if you have any objectivity in this, then post that on your blog and edit your prior post. Otherwise, you can go back to taunting sick people and cripples and get off on it.

    I live with a morgellon’s patient.. I know..

  82. I did discuss the Tulsa PD fiber tests:
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/08/abc-morgellons-medical-mystery/

    But I’m a little suspicious of the “Fiber Database”. 1.5 Million? Last I hear it was 100,000. But, no “fiber” database has 100,000 samples. I suspect it was a FTIR database of all kinds of materials. No match there means the sample is not in the database, or that it was a dirty sample.

    Being not in the database of 100,000 chemical compounds means very little, since there are 30,000,000 known chemical compounds (with vastly more amalgams), and little is known of the quality of the samples used.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_number

  83. JLeB, who are you ordering to edit their prior post?

  84. I think I misunderstood. By prior post, JLeB must have been meaning this topic, “Fibers are Everywhere
    Posted by Michael on April 11th, 2006″, and had not seen the date, to realize it was old.

  85. smileykins and tallcotton,
    i never heard the word mogellan, or of any of you people prior to couple days ago. i have been dealing with this fibre thing and this crawling sensation, and the lesions that are now popping on the skin all over my body. each one of the lesions look like the other, and they look like every legion pic i have seen posted.
    i have experienced, with no outside influence, the same “delusion” as a person 5 states away from me. folks, why is that? why would we (i think you referred to us as morgies?) simultaneously be experiencing a mass delusion. is there even such a thing documented as mass delusion.
    i am a professional, educated thinking person with a career that is highprofile in this area. i do not surrender to hype.
    your belief or lack of belief in morgellans does not concern me, although i fail to understand why you seem to be such experts and are even wasting our time with your postings. if you say it doesn’t exist, then say it leave the site. you are taunting unnecessarily.
    i am only interested in how to cope with this thing i have going on. until i saw an expose on television, i had resigned to the fact that this regular occurane of exiting skin fibres was nothing more than clothing remnant and sebum. i chocked up the crawling sensations to hot/cold sensitivity – like goose bumps.
    however, the matter that comes out of my body is not the corpse of cloth. it is inside, under my skin and connected to something that has characteristics of a network.
    so, who are you two to tell people like me that we are having delusions. with fervor, you contribute to the hype, clouding the fact that we need help. and i am not referring to our mental health.
    i wish this site could block writers like you. you are contributing to the hype with your postings just as the martian theory and textile industry conspiracy.
    your opinions are not valid – rather they are just opinions. so until they find the cause and hopefully treatment, please, smilikens and tall cotton, just shut the fuck

  86. Partrickevin wrote:

    i have experienced, with no outside influence, the same “delusion” as a person 5 states away from me. folks, why is that? why would we (i think you referred to us as morgies?) simultaneously be experiencing a mass delusion. is there even such a thing documented as mass delusion.

    That’s a surprisingly common question, which you could also ask about a large number of phenomena.

    Multiple people across the US have experienced similar phenomena, sharing many details. Does this mean the phenomena are real?

    Many people claim to have been abducted by aliens, and supply very similar details. What does this mean?
    http://www.csicop.org/si/9805/abduction.html

    Many people claim to be electronically harassed by the Government, their stories are similar:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=electronic+harassment

    Large numbers of people across the country claim they have observed the dispersion of Chemtrails by crystals and Copper pipes.
    http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

    The fact that a belief seems to be shared by several people does not always indicate the belief is correct.

    The lesions of Neurotic Excoriations look the same across the country. The fibers in your skin (blood vessels, nerves, blood, collagen, dried sebum and serum, hairs) also look the same.

  87. “Shut the fuck up”, you say? “Who are we”, you say? “You’d never heard the word morgellons, or of any of we people prior to couple days ago”, you say? “You have experienced, with no outside influence, the same delusion as a person 5 states away from you”, and, “folks, why is that?”, you say? “Why would you simultaneously be experiencing a mass delusion, and is there even such a thing documented as mass delusion?”, you say? “You’re a professional, educated thinking person with a career that is high profile in this area”, (whatever “that” means), and “you do not surrender to hype”, you say? “Our belief or lack of belief in morgellans does not concern you, although you fail to understand why we seem to be such experts and are even wasting your time with our postings, and if we say it doesn’t exist, then say it leave the site. We are taunting unnecessarily”, you say?

    I don’t take to being bossed & given orders from strangers too kindly. Otherwise, I’m cool with most things. Educate yourself. I’ll cut you some slack, since you’re ill (and I’m very, very, sorry that you are, too), and that that you hadn’t heard of this until only a couple of days ago. I came to this blog, when there was hardly any traffic on it, back in April. Yes, I’ve said some smart aleck remarks, especially back then. The original intent of this blog was to prove that there is no such thing, for people that could have heard about it in the media, and fallen into its slippery slope of deception. Things like that tend to anger me, because I do not like people’s fears being preyed upon, to begin with, especially such a vulnerable set of people as this group. When it’s done for profit, well, heck yes, I’m more than a little angry. I care a lot about people, and I came here with a little too much baggage on the topic underneath my belt. Once the creator of this “disease” sent her programmed messengers here to attack Tall Cotton and me for breaking away from their cult, I got into a cat fight with one of them, trying to reach her. I had tried breaking through to her every other way that there was, long ago, last year. I gave up, and didn’t expect to have to deal with that again. For those past mistakes, I’m sorry. I haven’t a clue what “your educated, high profile professional career in-this-area”, has to do with anything, so enlighten me, and you may enlighten yourself, by clicking onto either the name “Tall Cotton”, or, “Smileykins”, and avail yourself of just a mere smidgen of our backgrounds. Be sure to read the comment section while you’re there.

    May I ask you to explain yourself to me, a bit more, now? Thank you.

  88. there must be a shortage of colors… in the environment that is… a shortage of colored fibers in the environment… or, maybe it is just that only certain colored fibers in the environment are dangerous… hmmm?…

    if the fibers found in the skin and lesions of morgellons crime victims were strictly from the environment (lint, hair, etc.), then why aren’t we seeing green, grey, purple, brown, yellow, turquoise, or burgandy fibers?… why aren’t we seeing all the different colors a fiber can possibly be?… why predominantly only white, blue, black, and red?…

    i was noticing my environment… my workspace, my car, my decor, my clothing… i see lots of different colors…

    i guess open lesions and intact skin only pick up white, blue, black, and sometimes red fibers… wow… that in itself is strange…

    hey problem is fucking solved people… just stay away from white, black, blue, and red carpets, clothing, fabrics, car interiors, office chairs, sheets, pillows, whatever…

    call a decorator and have your house, car, and workspace remodelled… ask for color samples and choose wisely… go shopping for a new wardrobe and avoid the dop colors entirely… learn to like greys and browns and yellows… maybe throw in a splash of green or purple for a little pizzazz huh?…

    i have already called the cdc and to let them know that i and i alone have solved the morgellons puzzle… so call off the dogs and send ass clowns 1, 2, and 3 home…

  89. It’s funny, you never see brown fibers in dust or lint.

    I think the majority of fibers are white, then blue, then red is the most noticable color. Under a microscope, you generally only see White, red, blue and black. Look at the photos at the top of this page.

  90. i did… when did dust become fibrous?… lint comes in a variety of colors and you would need more than a simple microscope to quanitify different color spectrums…

    so you are saying that a purple cotton shirt would not contain purple fibers?… or, that purple fibers taken from a purple cotton shirt would not show up as purple under a microscope?

    many doctors have concluded that the fibers are simple wound contaminates from the environment… i simply ask then, why are only certain colors being seen in the morgellons victim if the fibers are strictly from the environment?… the environment contains many colors… but you can’t answer that, can you?

  91. MAFer asked:

    why are only certain colors being seen in the morgellons victim if the fibers are strictly from the environment?…

    The certain colors are white, blue, red and black, roughly in that order.

    The reason this is so is that those colors are by far and away the most common colors of fiber in the environment. Simply based on my observations alone, I’d say the 80% of all environmental fibers viewed under a microscope are white, 10% are blue, 5% red, 2% black, and 3% are “other”.

    The colors found simply reflect what is out there.

  92. well thanks for clearing that up… i am really glad to know that purple fibers simply cannot and will not get in my skin because there just aren’t enough of them out there to do so…

    have you contacted the cdc to let them know that the puzzle has been solved?… while you got them on the horn… let them know that bacteria and fungus are not capable of producing fibers (in nature or when tinkered with)… that should save alot of fucking around… you know, cut right to the chase…

    you are such a genius you!

  93. Thank you. But bacteria and fungus can produce fibers, and you can get purple fibers in your lesions, they are just less likely. Try wearing something with purple cotton, and see what happens.

  94. bacteria and fungus can produce fibers?… get the fuck out a here!… when and how did this happen?…

    i will try the purple cotton thing… but i am pretty sure that purple fibers do not stick to lesions… only red, black, white, and blue fibers stick to lesions right?…

    now, if i do get a purple cotton fiber in a lesion, i am gonna be pretty confused… because i won’t really know if it is from the purple shirt, a bacteria, a fungus, or what…

    i will also feel very special if i get a purple fiber in a lesion as no one else that i know of has ever had this happen… i could be the first human documented with purple cotton fiber lesion disease… that would be so cool!

  95. You are a little late to the purple party:

    http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/John_K_The_Mind_Lock.html
    “I would lay in the bed and it felt like an army of ants just crawling over the bed, all over my body,” says one Morgellon’s Disease sufferer. … Plus fatigue, body aches, hair loss, rashes, and maroon and purple “fibers” that sprout from lesions. and actually move to escape extraction.

    http://morgellonsgroup.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=articles&action=display&thread=1151907784
    The smaller red, blue, green, and purple, fibers are also ubiquitous. They can be found in all locations. Besides in body fluids, I have trapped them outside in sticky traps and found them in some kinds of spider webs. They infest dusty corners of all locations and are easy to spot with a 10 or 20 power jewelers loop.

    http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread7527.html
    That cotton is one of the vectors for a portion of what ever kind of hydra this is, is a fact I have plenty of evidence for. I have also a great deal of evidence that supports the theory that the red, blue, black, and purple fibers are being airborne. (Chemtrails?)

  96. well geez michael… that’s why you are so much smarter than us infected fuckers…

    i am just glad you are here to set everyone straight… i want to be just like you when i get my own websight…

  97. i dont know if i have morgellons or what ever you want to call it but i had blue red fibers come out my skin even on the bottom of my feet dont have any blue or red socks get little cotton balls out of my skin to little black specs and sometimes blue ones to come out but the real strange thing is hair growing where it never grew before and if i pull it out couple minutes or so and its comes right back like when i shave looks clean but ten minutes later its like i never shaved at all ican feel them pop out sometimes these real long ones come out like a horsehair worm but i dont know what it is i just know its true cause its fucking happening to me i dont know doctor thinks im retarded dee dee

  98. FBI compared fibers to their known data base of hundreds of thousands of fibers and they found no match.

    Anyone wanting to talk about this disease call me 434-974-7128 or write
    cisfl2004@netzero.com

    Randy Beth

  99. Yes, Randy has sarcoidosis, but she’s convinced she has “this unknown fiber disease” which, unfortunately, is of utmost importance to her.

    Please note the mentioning of spirochetes and Borrelia burgdorferi, below.

    Sarcoidosis:

    Proposed antigens of sarcoidosis fall into 3 categories that include infectious, environmental, and autoantigens. The most common infectious agents implicated are Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycoplasma
    species, Corynebacteria species, spirochetes, atypical mycobacteria, Propionibacterium acnes, Borrelia
    burgdorferi, herpes simplex virus, hepatitis C virus, Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, coxsackievirus, rubella virus, Histoplasma species, Cryptococcus species, coccidioidomycosis, and sporotrichosis. Environmental antigens implicated include metals (eg, zirconium, aluminum, beryllium), organic dusts (eg, pine, pollen), and inorganic dusts (eg, clay, soil, talc). Heat shock protein has also been implicated.

    *Whatever anyone with sarcoidosis uses to try helping with your skin symptoms, do not, I repeat, do not
    ever use talc powder, or any type of clay product. I know I see an awfully large amount of morgie people who do just that.

    Cutaneous involvement is seen in 25% of patients with sarcoidosis; it usually accompanies systemic
    involvement but may be the only site of involvement.

    Cutaneous involvement is either specific or nonspecific. Histopathologically, specific lesions manifest as noncaseating granulomas, whereas nonspecific lesions do not reveal granulomas on histopathologic examination. Erythema nodosum (EN) is the main nonspecific cutaneous disease; lupus pernio, maculopapular, nodular, scar, plaque, angiolupoid, ichthyosiform, lichenoid, psoriasiform, and ulcerative lesions and subcutaneous nodules are examples of specific cutaneous disease.

    * EN is a hypersensitivity reaction resulting from exposure to a variety of infections or inflammatory disorders.

    o EN is usually an acute, self-limiting process and rarely requires treatment. Recurrences are uncommon. Tender, erythematous nodules are usually present on the extremities, most commonly on the anterior surface of the tibia. EN is more common in European, especially Scandinavian, women of childbearing age than in other people.

    o Löfgren syndrome is EN in conjunction with unilateral or bilateral hilar and/or right paratracheal lymphadenopathy, anterior uveitis, and/or polyarthritis. Other symptoms include fever, periarticular ankle inflammation, arthralgias, and pulmonary involvement. Löfgren syndrome is usually an acute disease with an excellent prognosis, typically resolving spontaneously in 6-8 weeks. Pulmonologists, ophthalmologists, and rheumatologists often define this syndrome differently, describing varying combinations of arthritis, arthralgia, uveitis, EN, hilar adenopathy, and/or other clinical findings.

    * Lupus pernio, first described by Besnier in 1889, is a striking manifestation of sarcoidal skin lesions.

    o Lupus pernio is characterized by red-to-purple or violaceous, indurated plaques and nodules that usually affect the nose, the cheeks, the ears, and the lips, but it can appear on the dorsa of the hands, the fingers, the toes, and the forehead.

    o Lupus pernio is usually more common in black women with long-standing systemic, usually pulmonary, sarcoidosis than in other people. It is also commonly seen with chronic uveitis and bone cysts. The course is usually chronic, and severe cosmetic disfigurement may result.

    o Lupus pernio, especially involving the nasal rim, has been associated with granulomatous involvement of the upper respiratory tract (50%) and lungs (75%).

    * Macular or papular sarcoidosis is the most common lesion seen in cutaneous sarcoidosis, especially in African American women. Granulomatous acne rosacea may mimic sarcoidosis clinically and histopathologically.

    o Usually, lesions are asymptomatic, red-brown macules and papules commonly involving the face, the periorbital areas, the nasolabial folds, and/or the extensor surfaces.

    o Lesions usually resolve without scarring, although scarring may occur.

    o These lesions may also occur in acute sarcoidosis.

    * Plaque sarcoidosis is characterized by round-to-oval, red-brown to purple infiltrated plaques; the center of the plaque may be atrophic.

    o Some plaques may even appear scaly and can be confused with lesions of psoriasis or lichen planus.

    o They most commonly occur on the extremities, the face, the scalp, the back, and the buttocks, and they may have an annular appearance. The distribution is usually symmetric.

    o Angiolupoid sarcoidosis is a subtype that has a similar appearance but has large telangiectatic vessels in addition to the characteristics mentioned above.

    o This form of cutaneous involvement is usually chronic; most patients have the disease for more than 2 years. Lesions can heal with scarring, and, if plaques involve the scalp, they may lead to alopecia. Patients with plaque lesions usually have more severe systemic involvement.

    * Subcutaneous nodular sarcoidosis is also called Darier-Roussy sarcoidosis.

    o Lesions are usually nontender, firm, oval, flesh-colored or violaceous nodules that are 0.5-2 cm in diameter. They are commonly found on the extremities or the trunk.

    o These lesions usually appear in the beginning of the disease. These patients often have nonsevere systemic disease. In some patients, the nodules resolve spontaneously.

    * Infiltration of scars may occur. Scars from previous trauma, surgery, venipuncture, or tattoo may become infiltrated and show a red or purple color. These lesions may be tender.

    * Other rare lesions of cutaneous sarcoidosis are ichthyosiform, lichenoid, vasculitic, psoriasiform, erythrodermic, verrucous, papillomatous, and ulcerative lesions.

    Causes: The exact etiology of sarcoidosis has not been clearly defined. Genetic as well as environmental factors are thought to play a role in the disease process. Sarcoidosis is thought to result from exposure of a genetically susceptible host to specific environmental agents that the immune system is unable to clear effectively.

    http://www.emedicine.com/DERM/topic381.htm

    This article, “Why did I get Sarcoidosis? Why me?”, breaks it down real easily.

    http://www.sarcinfo.com/whyme.htm

    Welcome back, and good luck with what you’re doing, Randy. I’d thought you left this blog, for good.

  100. Whoops, I’d missed this tall tale:

    #99Randy Yaskal Says:
    September 9th, 2006 at 1:03 am

    FBI compared fibers to their known data base of hundreds of thousands of fibers and they found no match.

    Tulsa’s Police Department’s forensic lab did the comparison, from a fiber data base of over 800 fibers.

    Randy, stop it.

  101. Here’s how this FBI thing came about, on ABC’s medical mysteries:

    [1]22:19:14 CYNTHIA MCFADDEN (ABC NEWS)
    (VO) But, do these fibers grow from inside the body, as Morgellons patients believed or do they come from the external environment, a kind of lint, as a majority of doctors say. Whatever the cause, there is something strange about the fibers. Forensic scientist Ron Pogue at the Tulsa Police Crime Lab checked a Morgellons sample against the hundred thousand known fibers in the FBI’s national database.
    [1]22:19:40 RON POGUE (FORENSIC SCIENTIST)
    No match at all. So, this is some strange stuff.
    [1]22:19:44 CYNTHIA MCFADDEN (ABC NEWS)
    (VO) Not cotton, not linen, not any known natural or synthetic fiber.
    [1]22:19:49 RON POGUE (FORENSIC SCIENTIST)
    This isn’t lint. This is not a commercial fiber. It’s not.

    The problem is that the FBI does not have a database of a hundred thousand fibers. They only just created a database of 1,800 fibers:

    http://www.uri.edu/news/releases/index.php?id=2713

    So what happened?

    I suspect what happened what that Mr Pogue simply did an FTIR test, and checked it against a commercial database (as used by the FBI), and did not find a match (for one of many possible reasons). Then ABC spiced this up a bit, and the morgies become convinced the FBI has run extensive tests on the fibers and has been unable to identify them.

  102. This site more than anything convinces me this disease is real and that there is something worth hiding.
    Debunkers? Why would you work so tirelessly to debunk this? Doesn’t really make a lot of sense, just cant stand those the thousands of “fakers” “its mass hysteria”? I wonder who sponsors this site?
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/medical/stories/MYSA072406.morgellons.KENS.1e13fade.html
    “I am 100 percent convinced that Morgellons is a real disease pathology,” said Dr. Randy Wymore, an assistant professor of pharmacology and physiology at OSU.
    Wymore has spent the past year studying hundreds of fibers from Morgellons patients.
    “The samples do look very similar to one another,” he said.
    Wymore added that the fibers don’t look like anything found in textiles. He has also determined that the fibers are not rubbing off from clothing, because doctors at OSU have found the fibers inside the body.
    “We were able to observe fibers under completely unbroken skin,” he said.
    Dr. Rhonda Casey has examined more than 30 Morgellons patients.
    “There’s no question in my mind that it’s a real disease,” she said.

  103. I am sure somehow you posses greater knowledge than this dr. because you ripped some Kleenex in half or some other lame demonstration.

    You absolutely can’t say you know this disease is 100% fake, how do you sleep at night?

  104. Hujo, people who have fallen for the scam of “morgellons disease” are ill. Nobody has any doubts, whatsoever, about that. Why they are ill, they ought to know. If anyone went to a doctor, and did not follow their doctor’s advice, their doctor is not to blame. If anyone was intimidated, and rendered unable to elucidate effectively to their doctor, then, they need someone who can speak for them to attend doctor appointments with them. Such people, as those who believe that they have “morgelllons disease”, are well described, within the symptoms’ listings, inside the case definition Mary Leitao made up on her web site for MRF. Based on that, and based on all of the news accounts, I think that it is fair to say that many of these people have untreated delusional parasitosis. Until that is treated (for those who have it), they won’t be able to move onto treating any other illnesses that they may also have.

    The woman that made the disease up, has her own mental condition that also caused her to misinterpret fibers that were stuck in her little boy’s skin, four years ago, as well as another illness, falling under the unfavorable category of MSBP. There are numerous people claiming to have had what they’re referring to as her “morgellons disease” for 30-40 years. Anyone versed in the topic of delusional parasitosis knows that such patients are convinced that they have become infested/infected with something, that they really aren’t, and that a sure sign of it is their inability to accept it and treat it. Many things cause this to happen to people. Physical illnesses can trigger it, as can many drug interactions/side effects, and mental health problems, in, and of, themselves.

    If a patient has seen a doctor and been diagnosed with DOP, and ignored their doctor, or, gone to a mental health physician withholding valuable information about their experience, they won’t improve. Part of the protocol is for the mental health care specialist to do follow-up, detective work with the help of a dermatologist, and when necessary, a entomologist, to rule out whether the patient has an actual parasitic infection. There are too many people who never followed through on this, but have sought other doctors for a different diagnosis. Among people who are said to have DOP, it is a very common belief that they have been taken over by some mysterious, often lethal, disease, too! It isn’t just about bugs and/or worms. Fibers, or suspicions of a mysterious pathogen, qualify.

    Anyone who was like that, already, and came across “morgellons disease”, took the bait. And, why not?

    NOBODY-ELSE-BELIEVED-THEM.

    They blame “morgellons disease” on everything that has caused destruction in their lives. They cite it as having caused job losses, interpersonal relationships have broken down and been destroyed, many lose all their possessions (some, by destroying them, thinking they’re infested), some lose their homes (for various reasons, that they blame on “it”), some lose custody of their children, pets are allowed to die from neglect, and some patients commit suicide.

    The list of conditions that people already received diagnoses from physicians, is long, and that is what Mary Leitao comprised her ridiculous case definiton with. People who think that they have this, see nothing wrong when they profess to the rest of the world, “but we all have the same symptoms!”.

    No, none of them do. They’re messed up, and were heavily influenced into believing that they do, because nobody else believed them, unti l they found Mary Leitao’s “morgellons disease”. What they have in common, is that they are overly involved with their skin, for whatever reasons caused them to be, and they are driven with a maddening force that they cannot control. All this, while under a false belief, that will keep them forever bound, since there is no such thing. It will go on for as long as people will allow it to go on for themselves. Many are helpless, and that is apparent.

    Of course, the pictures of what they think are “specimens”, aren’t, and as long as they keep up their neverending, OCD-driven, (stated on MRF, that many have mental disorders…no secret), torturous picking, and magnifying, and posting on the web, they can’t expect their skin sores to ever heal. They’ll keep on getting fibers stuck in them too. Sure, some may get a chance to heal, and heal with the fibers still in them.

    People have immune/autoimmune problems that they need treatment for, in a lot of these cases. Many of them can’t get them treated, and many of them ignore what they know they have. There are a whole lot of variables within the group of people believing in this scam. Minds have become overruled with “morgellons disease”, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how it all started. The obvious (on line) mental pathologies, of many people inside this group of believers/”victims” is not a difficult thing to ascertain, either. It is a very despicable crime thatis being perpetrated upon the less fortunate members of our society.

    I sleep well, when I sleep. I do hate this situation, though.

  105. Thanks Smilyekins – you know it really is good to read through your posts like the one above. It really confirms things for me and makes me feel a lot better.

    I too feel the same way you do – I also hate this situation, and hate is a word I never really use. I hate to see people suffering. I agree 100% treat what you have, and keep doing it.

  106. Hi, Sweet Tater. You’re welcome, and thank you. You’re a gutsy gal, ya are. Hey, and you’re a good mommy to Sally. Give her a kiss for me. I don’t think you neglected her, any, in some of your previous comments about when you were so ill. I’m glad she has you too, and that you have her. Little cat bite puncture wounds aren’t usually detectable until they abscess. She’ll be fine. How cool that you’re going to do volunteer work and help animals. They’re so therapeutic.

    I’d better hit the hay, before long.

    Keep on keepin’ on!!!

  107. It’s funny how many very real diseases cause depression and mental disorder, aids for instance causes a chronic depression, disease that lowers immune systems cause depression.
    In the research I have done it would appear those doctors that do not examine patients believe it to be madness of one, those that actually do look at patients, like lets say thirty patients, like Dr Rhonda Casey, do infact see and interact with these fibers under the skin.
    How many patients have you observed?
    (BTW Insurance companies can afford very nice sites ;p )

  108. Hujo, you’re revealing that you have dangerous ideas inside your mind that have been deeply and methodically reinforced, unless you just have not fully researched everything there is to know, before concluding those thoughts. Doctors have not been practicing medicine wrong, like they have successfully gotten you to think, either. You know that Rhonda Casey is in on this, and in my opinion (after seeing her in action on television), she works that boisterous quality, that came across, to her advantage. How many patients have I observed? A lot, here, on line, where it all started. I’m sure many people are just as unaccustomed to the experience, and as upset by it, as I am. Are you implying that Michael’ blog is owned and operated by an insurance company?

  109. Let me clarify, Hujo, I haven’t observed patients, on line, in the four digit range. I haven’t kept a running head count, but I have observed way more than 30 people who think they have “morgellons diesase, for sure, and the numbers may even be around the 100 mark. All such people have had obvious, unmistakable, similarities.

  110. I think there are a lot of misconceptions, Hujo.

    No one is really “working tirelessly” to debunk Morgellons. We’re all allowed hobbies and medical mysteries/conspiracy theories/whatever catergory “Morgellons” may be for a person is just what floats their boat.

    You quoted one doctor, Randy Wynemore, out of hundreds, who have witnessed the same phenomenon. The difference is, the other 999 came to the conclusion of DOP, while Wynemore came to “mysterious disease.”

    I’m not saying the majority is always right, but when it comes to people’s health, when you have 999 corresponding “second opinions” and one wild one, well, I’d go with the 999.

  111. Hujo said:

    (BTW Insurance companies can afford very nice sites ;p )

    Hujo, I think you misunderstand the internet.

    This blog is FREE, as in it costs me nothing. It is hosted by http://wordpress.com ,who cover their costs with very occasional ads. You can get your own blog for free as well.

    It looks nice because it uses a TEMPLATE, over which I have very little control. This template is free.

    Lots of other people write blogs, simply because the subject interests them, lots of them look very like this one:

    http://neurophilosophy.wordpress.com/
    http://babelmachine.wordpress.com/
    http://laubschr.wordpress.com/
    http://politech.wordpress.com/

    Look, some of those blogs look even nicer than mine! It does not cost them anything either.

  112. And Randy Wymore, PhD., is not a medical doctor, he’s an assistent professor of physiology and pharmacology, not versed in diagnostic techniques, fiber analysis, dermatology, psychology or epidemiology. The people who ARE versed in those subjects ALL disagree with him.

    Which “proves” nothing, but is a VERY strong indication that he might be wrong.

  113. Having such a longtime interest in the topic of the forensics of lying, Randy Wymore came through, to me, as one…

    1. First, in his letters to morgies
    2. Second, in audios of his voice
    3. Third, in videos of his mannerisms

  114. Naturally, that is my opinion, and not to be taken as anyone else’s. However, the evidence indicates, also, that “morgellons disease” is founded upon one lie after another. It only appeals to a certain, very misfortunate, population.

  115. Naturally, that is my opinion, and not to be taken as anyone else’s. However, the evidence indicates, also, that “morgellons disease” is founded upon one lie after another. It only appeals to a certain, very misfortunate, population.

    I would tend to agree with you on that one – “founded upon one lie after another”!!!!!

  116. My litte girl is doing great, she had me up at the crack of dawn needing to go to the loo! I did leave a kitty litter tray for her, but I guess old habits die hard. I must go get her in, she is still wearing her blue bandanna, and I don’t want the other cats in the neighbour getting jealous of her!!!!

  117. “· Hujo, you’re revealing that you have dangerous ideas inside your mind that have been deeply and methodically reinforced, unless you just have not fully researched everything there is to know, before concluding those thoughts. Doctors have not been practicing medicine wrong, like they have successfully gotten you to think, either.”

    LOL “dangerous” No these are conclusions based on the evidence and research presented AFTER doctors decided “Gee maybe we should actual study this” Fibers are being observed breaking skin, embedded in irritated skin, and embedded in unbroken skin, these fibers are not textile fibers or paper fibers, in fact they are unknown, sure they may only have 1800 known fibers to compare them to, but that is no small number, your fiber pictures are opaque, the images of magellons fibers are translucent and appear tubular. And are you kidding? Doctors are forced to practice bad medicine the system is over loaded. Just because a symptom (bugs crawling) parallels delusion does not mean this is the case, I think most docs jump to that conclusion as soon as this symptom is described. NEXT PLEASE! Therefore no real observation or study. My proof. It has not received serious study by any authority till 2006!

    “ You know that Rhonda Casey is in on this, and in my opinion (after seeing her in action on television), she works that boisterous quality, that came across, to her advantage. How many patients have I observed? A lot, here, on line, where it all started. I’m sure many people are just as unaccustomed to the experience, and as upset by it, as I am. Are you implying that Michael’s blog is owned and operated by an insurance company?”

    “In on this” Ok what does he have to gain, what do any of the sufferers have to gain? You have to have a motive to conspire, I really don’t think making doctors and health authorities look bad would benefit these people, there are just some people out there that think for themselves and care about humanity, is it so hard to believe that the doctors trying to identify and cure this are actually just following their Hippocratic oath and not following the advise of insurance companies? As in “we don’t want to have to cover a new disease, lets make these people look crazy” I just find it hard to believe that normal everyday people with nothing to gain would commit so much effort to belittling possibly sick people because “they just cant stand liars” It’s weird man.

    “Let me clarify, Hujo, I haven’t observed patients, on line, in the four digit range. I haven’t kept a running head count, but I have observed way more than 30 people who think they have “morgellons diesase, for sure, and the numbers may even be around the 100 mark. All such people have had obvious, unmistakable, similarities. “

    Are you a doctor? You “observed” patients on line? Via web cam, the image quality isn’t the best and as far as I am aware there is no microscope option.
    “obvious, unmistakable, similarities” You mean depressed, pissed off, confused, they are reported symptoms. If science does say’s it’s real, will you feel like a jackass?
    Really nobody knows, it’s an unknown unstudied area, why I question it is, What would the sufferers have to gain, besides a cure?

  118. And Randy Wymore, PhD., is not a medical doctor, he’s an assistent professor of physiology and pharmacology, not versed in diagnostic techniques, fiber analysis, dermatology, psychology or epidemiology. The people who ARE versed in those subjects ALL disagree with him.

    Which “proves” nothing, but is a VERY strong indication that he might be wrong.

    Are you claiming to have greater knowledge about the alleged disease than this man?

  119. I’m saying that the REAL doctors, who have looked at Morgellons patients in great numbers, know more about medicine than Wymore.

    Of course we can’t diagnose over the internet, but we can observe the evidence presented. That evidence is that people go to their doctors, and the doctors do not see that the fibers are anything unusual. They go to a LOT of doctors, they ALL say the same thing, for EVERYONE.

    So, after that, you are telling me that if I could actually be in the same room with a “Morgellons Sufferer”, then I would somehow be able to see what the doctors had missed?

    Why would 20 doctors miss something that is so self-evident?

  120. Hujo asked…

    Are you claiming to have greater knowledge about the alleged disease than this man?

    Yeah, a helluva lot more!!!

  121. I can sum things up, in answering this…

    If science does say’s it’s real, will you feel like a jackass?

    NO, I’m safe

    Simply put, Hujo you’re not “too with it”, so you just “can’t get it”. They don’t need to ever-come-up-with-anything to keep exploiting mentally ill people, and, they most assuredly will *never* come up with a pathogen that does not exist. They can keep it going forever, in other words, just as they are, and just the way they all want it.

  122. I’m saying that the REAL doctors, who have looked at Morgellons patients in great numbers, know more about medicine than Wymore.

    I provided a name, who are these doctors? Prove that these doctors actually studied and didn’t just dismiss.
    “Yeah, a helluva lot more!!!”
    examples?

    NO, I’m safe
    Simply put, Hujo you’re not “too with it”, so you just “can’t get it”. They don’t need to ever-come-up-with-anything to keep exploiting mentally ill people, and, they most assuredly will *never* come up with a pathogen that does not exist. They can keep it going forever, in other words, just as they are, and just the way they all want it.

    Ahhh ad hominem attack, oh but why?

    Is it that i am incapable of getting it or that you can’t explain it away and that frustrates you?

    As far as I know the diseases study is in its infancy is this not correct?

    Still your fibers opaque, textile, paper, on surface of skin, morgellons clear, tubular, emedded in skin of unknown substance.

    Really nobody knows, it’s an unknown unstudied area, why I question it is, What would the sufferers have to gain, besides a cure?

  123. They don’t need to ever-come-up-with-anything to keep exploiting mentally ill people

    As if you care

    a. This disease is fake and this site mocks mentaly ill people.

    b. This disease is real and this site would brand ill people as crazy and worthy of scorn.

    You dont give a shit about mentaly ill people.

  124. Many of the sufferers have been diagnosed many times with delusions of parasitosis. They continue going from doctor to doctor, seeking validation, and vindication for allowing their condition to rob them of everything. They would give practically anything, just to be believed. But they are delusional. You don’t have to see them face to face to figure that out. You can tell by the things they write, just like it’s easy to determine that you are delusional. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you are “seeing things” that aren’t there. Delusions are illogical and unwarranted beliefs that people just can’t or won’t let go of. You need learn just how this all started with a woman believed to have Munchhausens Syndrome by Proxy. Her child was diagnosed with eczema. On the recent ABC telecast she was still picking fibers from her son’s 4 year old lesion. That child’s lesion needs to be left alone so it can heal. My God! There is NO Morgellons disease. These people have other known disorders.

    Tall Cotton

  125. Hujo, you’re giving me the distinct impression that youre deluding yourself. If you aren’t, please, excuse me. You need to read a whole lot more, if you truly want to gain knowledge on the topic of “morgellons disease”. If you don’t, you’re going to remain just plain gullible. Do you want to be knowledgable about it, or are you content to “just believe”, with such childlike innocence?

    Don’t fucking tell me that I don’t care about mentally ill people. Nobody seems able to save them from their own destruction. All they wanted was to believed. Lots of these patients have been to as many as 10-40 doctors, MRF says, and that 95% of them were diagnosed with DOP, every time. Crooks know a good thing when they see it. These people need their “morgellons disease” to be real, because they refuse to accept the alternative. They’re sitting ducks, and don’t even care.

  126. Excuse me, MRF claims that as many as 95% of their registered members have been diganosed with DOP, and that many of them have seen an average of 10-40 doctors. I don’t like ignorance, especially when it’s proud ignorance.

  127. I apologize to everyone. Hujo’s narrow-minded prejudiced remark, that still has my head spinning, which was what bothered me, was….

    ….would brand ill people as crazy and worthy of scorn.

    How dare you talk that way about people who experience mental health problems, as being worthy of scorn. Shame on you. I still cannot believe my eyes beheld such words, out of another human being.

  128. You guys started with the sour attitudes, and you ignore that I am begging for, examples and info.

    “Everyone but us is delusional” wonderful little thought stopper you have all cooked up.

    You guys started with the sour attitudes, and you ignore that I am begging for examples and info.
    “Everyone but us is delusional” wonderful little thought stopper you have all cooked up.

    I am delusional for considering the other side of your debate, I am presenting logical arguments that none of you have argued, I have provided examples for my point of view and am begging you to provide examples that back up your claims, but you don’t, you ad hom and label me delusional (just like you do with those claiming to have the disease, to you “the mentally ill’) We are both gleaning from the same well of information, you seeing what you see and me seeing what I see and neither of us can prove our conclusions, it is hardly studied and what study there is provides validity to both our arguments, from what I can see. By your “ahem” logic we are both delusional.

    I am aware that the mrf is having troubles and I realize that the doctors claiming to help indeed could be capitalizing. I do consider this, why I question this site is that you refuse to consider it may be a “new” parasite or form of disease, this concept is not “way out there” from my point of view, why so hard core on the fake stance when there is contradicting evidence?

    You fail to provide any examples any reasoning besides ‘that girl made it up, its delusion because of kleenex”

    The idea that many doctors wouldn’t even consider examining is evident from your attitudes and your site, IMO describing symptoms that mirror delusion does not delusion make but like all of you I am sure doctors share this judgmental arrogance, our society is pretty thick with that in general. Also gp’s do not have the proper equipment at their disposal to analyze a new disease, there are plenty of disease that are wrongly diagnosed because many diseases share the same symptoms, if this disease does indeed cause depression and confusion in a person, coupled with a description of crawling skin this will probably equal “delusion” to your average gp. New disease that mirror existing ones often go undiscovered till one prevalent unique symptom is isolated, why is it so “crazy” to believe it could be something “new”, I don’t buy the aliens or even so much the possibility of genetic engineering at this point, its just that in every field of science they find surprises all the time, this is not new, not delusional.

    You guys do your homework, crawling skin, is symptomatic of many many diseases and maladies, like insomnia menopause hyper tension, its not a write off at all.
    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=symptom+crawling+skin&btnG=Search&meta=

    I’m sorry but “you wont get” it and “you’re delusional, childlike and ignorant” sounds to me like you cant back up your reasoning as if you are ignorant…. humor my childlike and delusional self…If you could please explain your theory on why excluding to the founder of mrf there are 5500 people of all walks of life, including medical personal, that think there is something there, why the historical accounts, why the media reports of non textile unknown fibers being embedded in skin?

  129. “THERE IS NO MORGELLONS DISEASE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE OTHER KNOWN DISORDERS.

    TALL COTTON”

    nothing that a little sudafed, iodine and match book covers couldn’t fix, right bugs?

  130. Hujo,

    You guys do your homework, crawling skin, is symptomatic of many many diseases and maladies, like insomnia menopause hyper tension, its not a write off at all.
    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=symptom+crawling+skin&btnG=Search&meta=

    The heck? That’s exactly what we’ve been saying. And if you look at the first result returned there, it’s menopause

    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/25/occams-menopause/

    I am presenting logical arguments that none of you have argued, I have provided examples for my point of view and am begging you to provide examples that back up your claims, but you don’t,

    What? What is your logical argument? Is it this:

    I provided a name, who are these doctors? Prove that these doctors actually studied and didn’t just dismiss.

    So, since the Morgellons sufferers themselves have detailed the tens of doctors they have been to, and listed the many tests that have been run, your sole defense is that I can’t prove that all those doctors were competent?

    Here, read the diary of Wymore’s star patient:
    http://www.cherokeechas.com/Morg01.htm

    She gets a boatload of tests from a bunch of caring doctors, over several years, and then just goes ahead and scratches.

    Could you do a 1,2,3 of your logical argument, because I seem to have missed it.

  131. I apologize to everyone. Hujo’s narrow-minded prejudiced remark, that still has my head spinning, which was what bothered me, was….

    ….would brand ill people as crazy and worthy of scorn.

    How dare you talk that way about people who experience mental health problems, as being worthy of scorn. Shame on you. I still cannot believe my eyes beheld such words, out of another human being.

    You sytax usin’ smear myster. I am claiming this site is branding people crazy (you did it to me in like 5 posts) therefore in your opinion worthy of scorn. like so….

    Anonymous and cotton are right! I have the fibers too, they started when I was around 13, mostly around my scrotum and pubus, then they spread upward toward my navel and eventualy they began springing from my face, around my upper lip and chin, this was occampanied by horrible marks on my skin, like raised, irritated ares, when I applied pressure to these areas a small white collumn would emerge. Also these fibers, like Tall said, are much stronger then human hair, and quickly build more of an immunity when you attempt to cut them off. I’ve lived with this condition for 3 years now. Shame on you Michael for making light of such a serious situation, I bet if something like this happened to you you would think differently.

    # Michael Says:
    May 26th, 2006 at 9:31 am

    Nicely put Ditch. You had me for a second. :)

  132. ,blockquote>#103 hujo Says:
    September 13th, 2006 at 12:15 am

    This site more than anything convinces me this disease is real and that there is something worth hiding.

    GOOD

  133. Hujo,

    I’m not laughing at your insanity. I’m laughing at your stupidity.

    Tall Cotton

  134. The heck? That’s exactly what we’ve been saying. And if you look at the first result returned there, it’s menopause
    http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/25/occams-menopause/

    Are you suggesting that because there are many diseases that already exist and cause crawling skin, a new one could not crop up?

    So, since the Morgellons sufferers themselves have detailed the tens of doctors they have been to, and listed the many tests that have been run, your sole defense is that I can’t proove that all those doctors were competent?
    Here, read the diary of Wymore’s star patient:
    http://www.cherokeechas.com/Morg01.htm
    She gets a boatload of tests from a bunch of caring doctors, over several years, and then just goes ahead and scratches.
    Could you do a 1,2,3 of your logical argument, because I seem to have missed it.

    I said I do not dispute the possibility of people capitalizing. My logic lies in the rest of my post, all the stuff that you ignored, like the last paragraph at least.

  135. Folks, save your thoughts. These guys are out to prove you are stupid.

  136. Shoot I am anonymous above.

    Hujo,

    I’m not laughing at your insanity. I’m laughing at your stupidity.

    Tall Cotton
    The ad homs, the lame smear attempts, the half ignored posts, the childish insults, says this board has no legs to stand on. You guys ever see Monty Python’s holy grail? The seen with the French gaurds? So reminds me of you guys, the whole blogsphere really, amusing.

  137. Hujo,

    You didn’t bring us Wymore. We’ve discussed Wymore until we’re blue in the face. He’s not a doctor, and he doesn’t appear to be a very good scientist. His assistant claims that the fibers withstood 1400 degrees farenheit when they tried to melt them. That means they are probably NOT organic. The ones he tested may have been fiberglass, but there are a large variety of “Morgellons” fibers. Some are clearly cotton. These are, with all probability, clothing fibers and environmental contaminants. Everyone with lesions has fibers in those lesions. You need to read the blog. You are asking us to argue what we already gone over, and over, and over. Your arguments are nothing new.

    Tall Cotton

  138. Are you suggesting that because there are many diseases that already exist and cause crawling skin, a new one could not crop up?

    No, I’m saying that a new one is not needed to explain the symptoms. Occam’s razor. There are LOTS of explanations you’ve got to rule out first.

    On your last paragraph:

    humor my childlike and delusional self…If you could please explain your theory on why excluding to the founder of mrf there are 5500 people of all walks of life, including medical personal, that think there is something there, why the historical accounts, why the media reports of non textile unknown fibers being embedded in skin

    I’ve got three words for you:

    Gulf War Illness

    You know how many people thought, not only that there was something to GWI, but that they actually had it?

    About 200,000

    Those 200,000 are sick, no doubt about it, but there is no evidence that they all have the same thing. Yet they all think they do. How could this be? Same with the 5,500 Morgellons cases.

    http://www.webmd.com/content/article/127/116643.htm

    And “historical accounts”? You’ll have to give me pointers there, I hope you don’t mean Kellet.

    “media reports of non textile unknown fibers” – Wymore was able to not identify ONE fiber. He skips over the thousands of cotton fibers people send him. There are lots of ways the fiber could get under the skin, expecially if it was fiberglass, which all the tests seem to indicate. But we’ve gone over this before. There’s nothing to indicate that finding fibers under your skin indicates anything at all, certainly nothing to correlate it with formication and CFS.

  139. Wymore has a PHD, hence doctor. He is trying to find a cause, while you and Tall Cotton are protecting something and saying nothing is wrong. ROT AND GO TO HELL.

  140. TSIHT, I’ve not turned off posts. I’ve just turned on moderation for you, since you were simply spewing nonsense last night. This means you comments are delayed until I approve them. If you are reasonably polite, I will turn it off. This is entirely up to you. Comment 141 is fine, since you are expressing an opinion.

    I’d be happy if you could contribute to the discussion, as your perspective is valuable.

  141. Excuse me. Yes, wymore is a doctor, but not a medical doctor. What is he, a doctor of philosophy?

    Oh, there’s plenty wrong. There’s no reason, however, to think that it’s Morgellons, or anything new.

    Neither is there reason to believe that all of the Morgellons registrants have the same thing. (except DOP)

    Tall Cotton

  142. and you are a doctor of nothing except crap.

  143. PHD in nothing. Wow thats impressive.

  144. What is your education level relating to micro-biology, medicine, DNA, etc? Super wise-guy. You must be smarter than everyone, dont you agree?

  145. You are a hero in your own mind. Maybe you should seek help.

  146. How did skin (and other unmentionable things) turn so fascinating to so many people that they obsess over it day and night, douse themselves in caustic substances, take worm medicine, burn items ofclothing and furniture, move out of their homes, lose their friends and families, lose their livelihoods, and, oftentimes, their lives?

    Hujo, when did you first hear about “morgellons disease”, and how many years have you been on the planet earth?

    humor my childlike and delusional self…If you could please explain your theory on why excluding to the founder of mrf there are 5500 people of all walks of life, including medical personal, that think there is something there, why the historical accounts, why the media reports of non textile unknown fibers being embedded in skin

    a. If you’re hypothetically wanting to exclude the founder of MRF, there would be no made-up disease, based on, and named after, a 400 year old cutaneous misunderstanding, and we wouldn’t be discussing it
    b. 5500 people from all walks of life, including medical personel that think there is something there?
    Hujo, I dare say that there are more people than that, who don’t own computers, and they have been diagnosed as having something they are incapable of understanding, and accepting, and they haven’t treated for it, too. If they were to access the internet, they could add onto the numbers, and see that the pictures of other people’s sores, that they pick at, and post on line, look just like theirs.
    c. Why the historical accounts, why the media reports of non textile unknown fibers being embedded in skin?

    It’s propaganda, Hujo, for people who are susceptible to it. Everyone who is unwittingly under thios false belief is upholding a mother who strongly appears to be a perpetrator of child abuse, having come directly from her own mouth. People have a plethora of health problems that are being ignored because they’re in dire need of health care advocates. Look on the registration page for “morgellons disease”, at the long list of illnesses this group of people claim to have been diagnosed with. They can’t get better by ignoring what they need to do, and by putting their futures into the hands of someone else dabbling in “morgellons disease”. Many do not want to try and find a way out, it appears, because they have too much pride, and prejudice, for one thing. Cults are bad enough, in and of themselves, but this is a outrage against humanity.

  147. If you had first hand knowledge, you would be pissed. Pray you do not.

  148. Talk to me. What makes you think I haven’t had firsthand knowledge? I’m not the type of person that opens her mouth to say things I’m not certain of.

  149. Hello? Ya still here?

  150. Now why does this always never fail to happen?

  151. Still deleting posts…for the sake of the argument.

  152. And since you deleted the post about Monty Python, I will still fart in your general direction.

  153. Monty Python is safe & sound in #137. So, I should pray I don’t get “morgellons disease”, so I won’t be pissed? Why does it make people so pisssed? Because they can’t get people around them to see it?

  154. Yes, we are pissed because stupid people make fun about a real horrenious problem.

  155. We’re being investigated again??

    Rats, I just had my lawn re-seeded after that SWAT stand-off last month.

    *sigh*

  156. eat me sigh

  157. Jeeze

    go away

    Your stupid ass comments contribute nothing.

    You are showing your ass.

  158. My daughter made fun of me, too, and I laughed along with her, in the early stages. Can you not laugh with whomever is making fun of you, TSIHT, rather than getting pissed? What type of symptoms do you have?

  159. Why is it important to you that the people on this blog believe in Morgellons? There are plenty of message boards full of people who DO believe. Why do you care what the folks at this little site think?

    And, no, I’m not going away. I’ll sit right here and wait for the “investigators” to show up.

  160. got no symptoms. I am very angry at these a holes that think this is funny and there is no problema. There is a major problem here.

  161. Jeeze-

    What is your actual name and address, since your such a bad-ass.

  162. What’s your actual name and address? And what does that have to do with anything?

  163. HA your a puss

  164. 7139929279

    Call me

  165. #156 ThisSiteIsHidingThings Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 12:09 am

    Yes, we are pissed because stupid people make fun about a real horrenious problem.

    #162 ThisSiteIsHidingThings Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 12:22 am

    got no symptoms. I am very angry at these a holes that think this is funny and there is no problema. There is a major problem here.

    Define, “we”, and “real horrendous problem”, and “major problem”? How does this relate to you?

  166. As are you, evidently.

    Anyway, I’m sure your “investigators” already have my personal information, don’t they? If not, you should give Patricia Dunn a call. She can probably hook you up with her guys.

    I’ll leave the light on.

  167. TSIHT,

    I see you didn’t learn anything last night when you had to stand in the corner.

    So, you are arguing and you don’t really know a thing about “Morgellons”, right?

    Do you personally know anyone that thinks they have Morgellons? How much time have you spent studying the Morgies on the believer’s forums?

    Why are you afraid of us?

    Tall Cotton

  168. I am not afraid of this website, that a laugh. Why do are you in denial? New diseases are a fact.

  169. go sit in a corner, eat a pop-sicle and ponder your response.

  170. dumbass

  171. Yes, new disease discoveries are a fact, and people that think they have morgellons may have some of those diseases. That’s no reason to believe that Morgellons is a disease.

  172. When I need to ponder, I do it before I speak. You ought to try it.

  173. I’m curious about who “we” are, that you’re talking about, TSIHS. You have no outward symptoms, but some people make fun of you? What is your situation, and how is “morgellons disease” relative to you, or “them”?

  174. You are not making progress, just stupid comments.

  175. #156 ThisSiteIsHidingThings Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 12:09 am

    Yes, we are pissed because stupid people make fun about a real horrenious problem.

    #162 ThisSiteIsHidingThings Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 12:22 am

    got no symptoms. I am very angry at these a holes that think this is funny and there is no problema. There is a major problem here.
    ______________________

    Could you define, “we”, and “real horrendous problem”, and “major problem”, and how this relates to you?

  176. # 176 ThisSiteIsHidingThings Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 1:01 am

    You are not making progress, just stupid comments.
    __________________

    Who are you talking to?

  177. Lets look at the reasoning behind Morgellonswatch.com. Why does it exist? Why is it so organized? Why does the 4 or 5 people constantly posting have such an interest? What does it attempt to accomplish? Is there a goal behind this site to help people?

  178. Tall

    Go screw yourself. You are totally lame and stupid.

  179. I asked first. You answer me, and then, I will you. Let’s take turns, in order.

  180. Got anymore funny boy? Dumbass Go grow Tall Cotton

  181. Karma is a bitch. Stand up for anyone who has this and fight.

  182. What have you done, that you consider to be that you’re experiencing karma?

  183. I just thought I would have a read up and check in, things don’t seem too good hey?

    I do really empathize with where other people are at, it really is very very hard.

  184. To TSIHT: Here is a link on Karma.

    “Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward. Karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one’s own life, and the pain and joy brought to others.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

  185. To TSIHT: I want to tell you I understand your frustration. I do not know your health situation or what your doctor has told you. Look there is “something” yes, for me anyway – symptoms I would never have dreamed about, just awful. I can not diagnose you, but I would like to be able to offer you some support if I can.

    The psychological distress is terrible – one is put into a position of viewing things in life in a very different way, things just don’t make sense, well they didn’t for me. I put this down to a severe illness and infection gone untreated. Chronic illness causes really weird things. I have a friend who has MS, he has had this 9 years, but you would never know it to look at him. But him and I have a giggle because we have both experienced strange things psychologically that are really very very hard to say to anyone. You just can’t talk to anyone about this you know.

    That is why I came here. I am here because I found a safe place to poor out my emotions and confusions of nothing making sense. It has been so hard, and still is, but at least I am back in touch with reality. I understand that I alone can not change the world, and the more I worry about this the more I will miss out on a fulfilling life.

    We have to remember that life is not a dress rehersal. We have to live for now. I know how damn hard it is, but you have to make a committment to yourself. You know what you know, just like I know what I know, deal with what ails you if you can, there is no harm in that. I believe stress alone will eat anyone alive, I am a walking example of stress – that is what chronic illness will do.

    I do feel our world has gone a little crazy (being nice there). You just have to read accounts about animals and wildlife – doing really weird things that they normally wouldn’t. Global warming has and still is attributed to a lot of this, and of course pollution, chemicals the list is endlist.

  186. this site is an example of overt, physically expressed denial on the part of smellycan and chefcotton. “if you tell a lie often enough you will start to believe it yourself.”

    rank these in order according to credibility, most credible first.

    tallcotton aka bugsalive – old druggie

    wyemore – phd

    mickelson – ufo expert

    so who do you believe?

  187. Who do I believe? Believe about what?

    UFO’s – I wouldn’t know

    phd ??? old druggie???

    Do you care to enlightment me on any of this?

  188. UFO’S

    CLICK HERE AND SCROLL DOWN TO MT. ADAMS – CLIFF MICKELSON

    http://ufoinfo.com/filer/2004/ff0432.shtml

  189. MORE CLIFF NOTES

    Cliff Mickelson

    http://www.cherokeechas.com/cliffm.htm

  190. Methamphetamine FAQ, drug use, manufacturing, cost and effects of methamphetamine, meth, ice, speed.

    CLICK HERE AND BE SURE TO SCROLL DOWN TO “SHORT TERM” AND “LONG TERM EFFECTS”

    http://www.kci.org/meth_info/faq_meth.htm

  191. THEN OF COURSE ONE CAN FOLLOW THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD TO THE LAND OF MICHAEL AND SEE THE LITTLE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

  192. People brave enough to recover from a drug addiction and to talk about it are everywhere. People recovered from things so much more dangerous to the public walk the streets of the US every day once released from prison.

    I think TC is a wonderful source, because not only was he able to turn around his life before he hit a point where he had legal repercussions, he’s talking about it in hopes of helping other people.

    It’s ignorant, in my opinion, to think that a person cannot change, and that old mistakes dictate a person’s current and future life.

  193. Sarach, what lovely comments you’ve made to TSIHT. I very much appreciate what you’ve said, too, Sarah. Truly, though, concerning the group of people who think that they have “morgellons disease”, I am astounded at the blantant prejudices that most of them exhibit, as well as having so many archaic views on mental health, in general. I can’t help wondering, are some of them of the opinion that what they’re experiencing is the result of having brought karma onto themselves?

    Texastar…

    #130 texastar Says:
    September 13th, 2006 at 9:21 pm

    “THERE IS NO MORGELLONS DISEASE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE OTHER KNOWN DISORDERS.

    TALL COTTON”

    nothing that a little sudafed, iodine and match book covers couldn’t fix, right bugs?

    #189texastar Says:
    September 14th, 2006 at 6:16 am

    this site is an example of overt, physically expressed denial on the part of smellycan and chefcotton.

    “if you tell a lie often enough you will start to believe it yourself.”

    I have asked you, if you used to communicate with Tall Cotton when he went by the username, Bugs Alive, and whether you used to communicate with me, in the past, when I went by the username, Adapted. I think your answer, at the time, had been “no”.

    I had asked if you have a past history with Tall Cotton, and I’m not certain what your reply had been, but it seems that you’d also said, “no”, to that question, as well.

    Your comments on this blog, prove differently. You’ve made several taunting remarks, directly addressing TC to beware of tactile sensations and hallucinations, and indicating that you are convinced he is experiencing them.

    You refuse to attempt having meaningful exchanges, exhibiting immaturity in the majority of things you say.

    Point blank, after seeing comment #130, are you, indeed, using meth?

  194. Texastar, is drug use what is causing you to think that you have “morgellons disease”, just like it is for Cliff Mickelson, as he says, in his “Disinfo, Drugs and Destiny” article?

    It is well known that, in a desperate effort to combat the debilitating effects of Morgellons, many sufferers, (Not unlike a great number of other Americans) have turned to a variety of drugs in order to continue to function on a day to day basis. In many cases this is a necessity if the victim wishes to maintain the vitality required to support themselves in the workaday world…

    Most of these drugs, (such as Ritilan, Prozac, etc.) are prescribed by doctors.
    A few are not…(Uppers, such as street methamphetamine)

    Metabolism boosting drugs are a two-edged sword when applied in this venue. It is interesting to note that, besides often serving to artificially suppress the immune system, the class of amphetamines, as well as many other legal prescription drugs, also jack up the metabolism.

    And…Here’s the irony of it all… This situation becomes a win/win scenario for the Morgellons pathogen.

    The Morgellons entity thrives by siphoning the energy of its host. The more the host metabolism is jacked, the more the creature is enabled to proliferate!

    It matters not a whit to the organism whether the energy it is siphoning comes from artificial, inflationary sources or organic ones. In point of fact, the thing appears to be some sort of very efficient energy vampire.

    The end result is the further and complete debilitation of the host.

    Sadly, the metabolism “boost” issue remains one of the least recognized keys to the Morgellons highway!

    It is true that all of the aforementioned class of drugs, as well as a variety of others, appear to work as a quick fix for the brain fog and chronic fatigue of Morgellons.

    But grounds now exist to suspect that when dealing with the fiber disease, drugs may be, (In the end) comparable to putting water on a grease fire. Folks just haven’t realized that yet.

    http://www.rense.com/general72/crug.htm

    Using drugs to try combatting chronic fatigue, is not awakening any sort of a mysterious pathogen, of any sort!!! That is THE DRUG, alone, that is causing the sensations, and the belief!!! Is this why you dislike Cliff so much too, Texastar? Because he’s talking about it so openly?

    Not everyone who thinks that they have “morgellons disease” uses drugs, but the human mind is capable of dysfunctioning for many different reasons.

  195. I don’t know, myself, what Cliff Mickelson’s precise job is, in this scam. When I first became aware of him, in the early months of 2005, when he’d directed people on LB to go to one of his sites, I had orginally thought he was into science fiction role playing games on the web. I tried to discourage paying him any attention. Unfortunately, he developed a very large following. Then, I discovered he is a human imagineering author. I don’t know if he uses drugs, himself, or not, but he possesses an acute insight into the matter. I don’t think it’s very funny, the way he leads people into this absurdity, and how he’s gotten them to think that the scabs on their wounds are this ridiculous thing that he has dubbed, “the callus”. For crying out loud, even Jace, who works with Randy Wymore, tried pretending that even she is duped by that.

  196. maybe the name morgellons just got pinned on this shit what ever it is cause my derm. said there is no such thing he said he had other people complain about strange fibers and like bugs crawling through they skin he told them the same thing no such thing so maybe there aint but theres something happening unless im retarded im crazy but not enough to say shits coming out of my skin but maybe i am maybe to many drugs later

  197. its nice when you yanks r asleep
    no instant spin rebuttal
    methinks ull be busy when
    u arise from ur slumber
    log into langley
    sleep tight

  198. Hey, what happened to the NMO more jam infestival. looks like the hotel resort canceled out on them. wonder why? tc did you call and get reservations there? now no place to pick and grinise.

  199. Texasrose – I see you are back here. How did that conversation go with Mary Leitao, did you call her?

    Have you got any other information for me?

    Is there still going to be a More Jamm?

  200. All you morgellons disease doubters and cynics go and have a look at the firs captured images of a living organism moving that is the cause of this disease. You are welcome to contact me if you want to hear about my seven-year suffering with this disease. I live in London and did not even know there was a disease listed as morgellons until 2006, or that it was the same as the disease I had been suffering from for the last seven-years documented.

    All-comers doubters welcome to view on youtube at

    youtube.com/watch?v=g1MPArQLsLI

    Also

    youtube.com/watch?v=NKW0bCcfvPE

  201. Something moving. Is that your proof? The video is so out of focus, I’m not even sure if I was looking at the right thing. I’d be embarassed to show that video to anyone, much less use it as evidence of anything.

  202. I would like to know if persons who think they have Morgellons had any serious surgery prior to the signs of something horrible going on in their bodies. It seems logical to me that perhaps these fibers really are man made fibers: Partially “disolved” Vicryl sutures It has been a well kept secret that many people do not absorb these sutures. Moreover, when these Vicryl sutures are coated with a “killer” pesticide–as most have come to be–the body might also react to that pesticide. TRICLOSAN. The use of this horrible pesticide is used to coat sutures to make them “antibacterial”.
    Why Food and Drug passed this particularly offensive type of suture on to the public is that it received money for clearing this to go on the market. Johnson and Johnson opened their wallets wide to get these sutures approved.

  203. Please read this article. It includes information on various types of sutures.

    http://www.mcl.tulane.edu/classware/pathology/medical_pathology/InflamDermato/S12C6Granuloma/s12c6granuloma.htm

    I lost sutures, some of them dating back to the early 1960s, when I had a two month long bout of DOP, five years ago. My skin was in a severe state, and the granulomas encasing the sutures worked their way out without any assistance. I didn’t disturb my skin, or look at anything with a microscope, or do many of the things so many morgie people commonly discuss. I know, without question, I’d had an acute case of DOP, due to an underlying illness. I think that some of the people claiming to believe they have “morgellons disease” may even know, to some extent, that they have a rather chronic case of DOP. It’s a sad thing that it’s going untreated, for so many people, and affecting so many lives.

  204. Thinkaboutit,

    From what I’ve read, I don’t think that sutures are what most of the Morgies are seeing. This could be the case with some of them, but it doesn’t appear to be a real common experience. Many of the fibers are microscopic, and if you take an air sample, or look at a heppa filter, you will see that the air is filled with them. They not only stick to sticky lesions, but they also stick to unbroken skin and enter into pores. They become incorporated into the outer layer of skin. Where they traverse from there is anyone’s guess. Some of the macro fibers have been determined to be ordinary clothing fibers. I’m sure that some of the micro fibers would be also.

    I don’t know where you got your information about Johnson and Johnson. Although the main agenda of the pharmacheutical companies is making money, that, in itself, doesn’t automatically mean that they don’t abide by ethical standards. Nevertheless, Occam’s Razor would suggest that it isn’t necessary to locate additional sources of fibers until and unless it is discovered that there is something special about them. Most Morgie people have been diagnosed multiple times with Delusions of Parasitosis. Although most of them probably have underlying physical problems, because of their unwarranted and unshakable beliefs, they’ve brought this judgement upon themselves. They think they don’t have DOP, but that’s what DOP is.

    The evidence indicates that many of the Morgie people have a wide variety of physical and mental problems. The case definition for “Morgellons Disease”, provided by the Morgellons Research Foundation, lists such a wide variety of symptoms that their regirstrants could be suffering from most anything. Many of the Morgie people have received other diagnoses, in addition to DOP, but they have ignored them, and they have refused to take the prescribed medication and refused their doctor’s advice. They go from doctor to doctor, looking for one that will validate their confused beliefs. What’s the major problem? I think it is DOP. These people do not appear to be normal to me.

    I think that the research of Dr. Staninger and Dr. Karjoo is obviously biased because of an underlying agenda to promote Far Infrared Products. I honestly belive that their reports are designed to be misunderstood. There’s quite a few quacks that are getting in on the act. What act is that? In my opinion it’s the exploitation of the Morgellons believer. I do not believe that Morgellons is anything new. I also believe that the MRF and the message boards of the Morgellons believers are reinforcing harmful delusions and destroying people’s lives. What can be done about it? I wish I knew the answer.

    Tall Cotton

  205. Wnen foreign objects become trapped in the epidermis, the body has some options in dealing with them. It will usually either push them back to the surface, dissolve them, or encapsulate them. Our immune system produces fibers and wraps them up like a mummy so they can’t hurt us. If the invading objects are environmental fibers, then the result may be environmental fibers wrapped in fibroblasts. Most fibers are nothing to get upset about. Some fibers, on the other hand, can be harmful.

    TC

  206. Delete this spam!

  207. [...] ***Because fibers are everywhere!!! [...]

  208. Hey, Morgellons Watch. I see you’re still “at it”

    God bless.

    http://www.rense.com/general74/drbio.htm

    http://www.rense.com/morgphase/phase2_1.htm

  209. God? I don’t feel that God would approve of the message Rense sends.

  210. God? I don’t feel that God would approve of the message Rense sends. Smileykins.

    You may be right, Smileykins, but I asked the blessing for everyone at Morgellons Watch, not Rense. And don’t you know He must be exceedingly pleased with what Hildegarde Staninger, Ph.D., has done with her life, and how she’s used the gifts He bestowed upon her.

  211. Junebook,

    OMG. You have got to be joking!! Surely you don’t believe that anything Hildegarde Staninger reports is in anyway related to the issue of Morgellons. How cuold God be pleased when there is no such thing as morgellons? Morgies are fools!

    Tall Cotton

  212. Why did Staninger even bother to analyze “Chemtrail” fibers? People have suffered from the symptoms which they call Morgellons for 20+ years. Chemtrails first occurred in 1998. Why even imply that their may be a connection? Would it be to scare Morgies into paying for Staninger’s Far Infrared protocol? Why frighten Morgies with such things as Nano Machines? There were no Nano Machines when people first started having their symptoms they call Morgellons. Why believe anyone that has a product they are trying to sell you? Why believe people that have other agendas, no matter who they are? In my opinion, some of the Morgellons researchers, including, but not limited to Hildegarde Staninger belong in prixon, and if I had the power, that’s exactly where I would put them.

    Tall Cotton

  213. When I say “You” I’m referring to those of you who are so negative, and so unwilling to even consider other points of view. I just wish you knew how simple-minded and uneducated you sound when you rattle on nonsensically about fibers. Funny, too. Like I said before, I always know I’m in for a laugh when I come in here. Frankly,I would have thought you’d much prefer your audience see the adult side of you. In other words, GROW UP, PEOPLE!! Put aside your comic books and “Git some learnin’” Enjoy yourselves. Log on to the sites below. Lots of new stuff happening out there. Do you know you don’t even need real lemons to make lemonade any more.

    http://www.rense.com/general74/drbio.htm

    http://www.rense.com/morgphase/phase2_1.htm

    http://www.rense.com/morgphase/phase2_1.htm

    http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/107/next-jetsons-battery.html

  214. Junebook,

    Don’t come here pretending that you are acting like an adult as long as you believe the FOOLISHNESS of Morgellons. Don’t you realize that foolishness is a child-like trait. Don’t talk to us about nonsense. No one is more nonsensical than a person that believes in Morgellons Disease. I can’t believe you idiots come here telling us to “Git some learnin”. We know exactly what we are talking about. We know exactly what Morgellons is and is not. How many times has your doctor diagnosed you as psychotic? Hun? Why don’t you go get the kind of treatment you really need?

    Tall Cotton

  215. Huh? not Hun?

    TC

  216. Dear Junebook,

    Anyone can see that you’re not well. From reading the “New Lab Reports on Rense” topic on Lymebusters’ message board, I also see that you’re misinterpreting, and overly concerned with, things that you shouldn’t be. I can see that you’re not only ill, you’re very scared and confused, and it’s apparent that you, as a person who thinks they have “morgellons disease”, don’t even know what has you in that state, same as all the others. You have an underlying condition that is causing you to think the ways that you are.

    I was there myself, once, for a very short time. For me, it was due to extreme heat conditions, causing dehydration and the formation of kidney stones, which I later passed, during that time. I was in a very ill state of health, for a couple of months, and also having hallucinations as a result of it.

    Maybe you know, but you’re in denial of what your underlying condition is, that’s caused you to be under the influence of DOP. Yes, I can tell by what you write, that you are. Many morgies ought to know why it came about, but they don’t, anymore, if they ever did. That’s what you call being pretty far gone into a world of delusions.

    There are various reasons for that, as well. DOP is not caused by an undiscovered microbe, of any sort, Junebook, it is an honest to gosh delusional state, a fixed belief, brought about by various, underlying, health conditions. The freaks who are jerking you poor patients around are deceiving you, and they know that they can, due to the fact that you are all, already, deceived by your own senses. They profess, publicly, to be completely dense, as though they know nothing more of what a delusion is than the rest of you. Nobody has to look closely at your skin to see anything, like they all say. Of course there is something there, what you are thinking about it, is what the “DELUSION” is.

    You will laugh at what I just said, and I understand, as many morgies take delight in it. If it would help you any we could discuss God, but I know that wouldn’t help, either. I know God, and I know with absolute certainty that He disapproves of what that Staninger woman is doing, as well as I know that He disapproves of everyone who is feeding this lie, and spreading it.

    Read this link written by one who has become highly regarded in the morgie community as a “morgellons expert”, and try asking yourself why.

    http://www.rense.com/general72/crug.htm

    One can see what his cause of “morgellons disease” is, and what makes it worse. The experience of hallucinating and/or having delusional thoughts, from the induced state of DOP, is quite similar for people, regardless of what’s brought it about. Whether it be from an underlying physical condition, an underlying mental condition, from alcohol, illicit drugs, or prescription medication side effects, DOP is too much the same for people.

    Someone posted in that Lymebusters topic:

    Cliff Mickelson – Chief Science Officer of the NMO
    Cliff is arguably the most prolific and dedicated writer, researcher and spokesman for the cause of Morgellons Disease. Several of his hypotheses regarding this condition have been supported empirically by scientists and forensic labs across the country.

    Back when I was a member of Lymebusters, in early 2005, three years after I had been ill for two months, and first heard of “morgellons disease”, I tried to steer people away from him, when he directed everyone to a link he’d left there. Mercy sakes, how far he has come along, in such a short time. How much worse everyone has gotten, too. It is a shame that none of you can recover, or see this from the eyes of the rest of the world. I am so, so, sorry.

  217. Oops. Excuse me, I didn’t mean to say that God disapproves of everyone who is feeding this lie and spreading it. Anyone who knows God, knows I made a boo-boo, there, and that He disapproves of those actions, naturally, not the person!

  218. How did skin (and other unmentionable things) turn so fascinating to so many people that they obsess over it day and night, douse themselves in caustic substances, take worm medicine, burn items ofclothing and furniture, move out of their homes, lose their friends and families, lose their livelihoods, and, oftentimes, their lives? Smileykins
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    LOL!! I do so love your sense of humor.

    See, hun? You prove my point every time you put finger to keyboard. It’s you who’s here every day of the world, leaving page after page after page of child-like opinions and theories while desperately hoping someone will eventually believe you really do know what you’re talking about–like your statements below. “Anyone can see”, “I also see,” “I can see.” I’m truly happy about your seeing abilities, hun. Like having a crystal ball, is it? Junebook
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    Anyone can see that you’re not well. From reading the “New Lab Reports on Rense” topic on Lymebusters’ message board, I also see that you’re misinterpreting, and overly concerned with, things that you shouldn’t be. I can see that you’re not only ill, you’re very scared and confused, and it’s apparent that you, as a person who thinks they have “morgellons disease”, don’t even know what has you in that state, same as all the others. You have an underlying condition that is causing you to think the ways that you are. Smileykins
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    LOL!! I do so love your sense of humor. Somewhat infantile, but amusing all the same. June
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    You have an underlying condition that is causing you to think the ways that you are. I was there myself, once, for a very short time.Smileykins
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    You were there once?? Bless your heart. Far be it for me to burst your bubble, hun, but every time you attack that keyboard it’s obvious you’re exactly where you thought you were before. Take care, and God bless. I’ll come back when I need another hour or so of amusement. :0)
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  219. “When I say “You” I’m referring to those of you who are so negative, and so unwilling to even consider other points of view. I just wish you knew how simple-minded and uneducated you sound when you rattle on nonsensically about fibers.” From Junebook.

    We surely share the same sentiment about how foolish people sound when they rattle on about fibers. For example, when “Morgellons” sufferers post long lists of links that have the word “fiber” in it, from “fiberoptic” to the misspelled “fibermyalgia.” It’s pretty silly, isn’t it?

    Is it simple-minded to disagree with you, Junebook? Rather, you seem to be saying that people are stupid because they disagree with you. That’s simple-minded, in my opinion. We’ve considered your point of view, we just prefer to engage in critical thinking skills.

    And I’m quite curious about the implications of “uneducated” in your post, as if a formal education had an bearing whatsoever on a person’s knowledge. I await your response to this facet of your post with particular interest.

  220. Isn’t it funny how Morgies think that they were “chosen” to educate the rest of us, and to bring enlightenment to the whole world?! Hahaha. It’s sad, though, that they refuse help, telling the whole world about their delusional beliefs, wearing their insanity on their sleeve, while pretending that they are normal. Morgies are no more chosen than someone with a bad case of hemmoroids, and they sure don’t have any business trying to teach anyone anything.

    TC

  221. Junebook, I’d said, “You will laugh at what I just said, and I understand, as many morgies take delight in it. If it would help you any we could discuss God, but I know that wouldn’t help, either.”

    I apologize for the endless fascination I have in reading accounts of DOP, but seeing that so many patients, obviously, have it due to different underlying reasons than what I once did, preferring that the world go mad right along with them, I just can’t help being forever shocked and stunned.

    Do you also feel, like Cliff Mickelson has written about it, before, that “morgellons disease” is a “curse” and something “evil”? So many who think that they have this, are often saying that they need to be delivered from it, and, yet, all they do is feed it. They often go ballistic on others, warning of karma, and trying to tell them to abide by The Golden Rule, too.

    Who wouldn’t be fascinated? Junebook, some morgie people can’t be too bad off, since they’re able to hold down jobs. I’m not one of the on line punks that just writes you all off as being crazy. I’ve been respectful of you, until given reason not to be. “Morgellons disease” is stuff that people don’t expect to be privy to, and we wouldn’t normally be. The level of deception involved in calling the government in on it, though, hurts my head, immensely. The perpetrators of the myth have convinced you patients that DOP has never been adequately studied, and that there is an undiscovered pathogen that causes it.

    That is totally incorrect, so, what is wrong that patients are unable to realize that?

  222. Here are just a couple of original, secondary, reasons that y’all can’t realize it:

    “When you see it, it’s very hard to explain away. These patients have something that’s really not delusional,” Stricker said.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/272624_morgellons03.html?source=mypi

    “I can’t believe the people from all over, all walks of life, would describe something the very same way if it were a delusion,” Savely said.

    http://www.bibleprobe.com/morgellons.htm

  223. Junebook,

    “Anyone can see”, “I also see,” “I can see.” I’m truly happy about your seeing abilities, hun. Like having a crystal ball, is it? Junebook

    You know that you have the Factor V (Leiden) Mutation. Have you had brain studies?

  224. This website is disgusting. These people call themselves debunkers as if they have done even a shred of homework. I’m not a meth-head, and I don’t have Morgellons. I also work full time, but even I was able to do enough homework to see that a small number of people are undeniably suffering from a skin condition that is not drug related. These people are not crazy. Tell me, debunkers…if Morgellons is a widespread hoax to hide meth addiction, if all the vitcims are suffering delusions, then please tell me WHY:

    1. Why have researchers from highly reputable United States labs confirmed the discovery of unidentified cellulose based fibers in tissue samples taken from Moregellon’s “claimers”. Why have they been unable to match these fibers with any known manufactured sample from far and wide? Why do the fiber samples from widely seperated donors bear remarkable similarity under standard and electron microscopes?

    2. Why do officials high up within the CDC admit that they are concerned about a “possible developing disease” that has been reported in nearly every US state?

    3. Why has the CDC so recently backed away from it’s assertation that all previous Morgellons ‘victims’ were suffering from delusions about parasites or some garbage. Go look at the editing on thier website.

    4. Why has the CDC established a special team drawn from multiple disciplines of science to track down the cause of these skin lesions and the fibers that develop within them? The fact that it hasn’t done much of anything till now is besides the point. If its purpose was to make an effort to explain away the physical evidence, they’ve done a poor job so far, but the fact remains that they DID see enough evidence to form it in the first place.

    5. Why have numerous state news agencies, radio stations and papers run stories, interviews and documentaries including interviews of people currently suffering from Morgellons? The media can smell hoaxing druggies out pretty rapidly in most cases–why are they giving these people the time of day? Is it actually *GASP* possible, that most of these people are not meth addicts? Children meth addicts? Blue collar families of meth addicts?

    6. Why, if Moregllons is such a load of baloney, have CDC officials admitted there may be a regional connection linking outbreaks of Moregllons reports in recent years? If these victims are nothing more than insurance hounding meth heads, why are entire families coming down with the exact same symptoms? Last time I checked, users cannot pass thier highs, let alone resulting skin burns, onto people them come in close contact to. Viruses and diseases on the other hand, do a very good job of exploiting that sort of situation.

    7. Why have numerous United States Senators and lower reps been in repeated contact with the CDC in regards to Morgellons? Why are they pressing for action, why are they worried about the spread of this condition IF IT IS ALL NOTHING BUT A HOAX?

    This website is an absolute joke. Normal people are suffering with an unknown illness. Like most of the slow to act government, you people running this website are content to sit back and ridicule the victims for as long as possible. There is physical evidence, yet you try to just explain it all away, like it’s a bloody UFO or something. It’s amazing how you ignorant blowhards stalking these boards are so in love with this idea that all of these people are wrapped up in some massive, conveniently similar conspiracy to pull one over on you. It is you who are the conspiracy theorists I’m afraid. Especially this Michael poster and his all-knowing blog pals–what a collection of arrogant, offensive, heartless sacks of garbage.
    They should write fiction for a living.

    There were people just like many of you trying to debunk AIDS as some sort of fairy tale when blacks and gays started looking all strung out. The arguments didn’t last after AIDS was in every state in the country, did they?

    At least try to have some respect for these victims, regardless of what you think they may truly be suffering from. None of you are quite as smart as you think.

    But wait…that’s not what you’re here to do, that’s not what this website is about, right?

    “Resources for Moregellons Investigators”

    LOL!!

  225. 1. The fibers are environmental and unrelated to any illness
    2. Morgellons is not a distinct disease
    3. “Sufferers” have a mixed variety of physical and/or mental illnesses. ”

    There is no published evidence to support a blanket statement such as this, none whatsoever. The final verdict on the truth of this condition has not yet been delivered, yet this web page and others like it ignore that reality, displaying amazing powers of
    omniscience with thier declarations.

    Funny how this website contains only the information that was picked and chosen specifically to portray Morgellons as some sort of hoax by a bunch of crazy people…Why is none of the supporting research out there linked up to Morgellonswatch? And don’t even try to claim there is none, because there is and that’s the bottom line. Contrary to what some of the regulars here would like to believe, there ARE credible proffesionals out there who are putting thier careers on the line because they believe the evidence warrants a full blown investigation. Oh wait–these doctors and researchers must all be hitting the meth pipe too right?

    From CDC web:

    Delusional Parasitosis

    The Delusional Parasitosis page has been removed from the Division of Parasitic Diseases site.

    That must really piss some of you off I’m sure.

    Article:

    The debate has grown so heated that, recently, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention got involved, and not because they wanted to. They were inundated with calls from irate people who say they have this disorder and want answers. “More typically we get a very credible indication of an emerging problem from an official source,” says Dan Rutz, spokesperson for the CDC. “This was driven by lay people and some clinicians who are frustrated and not sure what to do with these folks.” The CDC is currently in the process of assembling a multidisciplinary research team to examine a cluster of patients sometime in 2007.

    While most physicians seem to lean toward the delusional parasitosis diagnosis, there are a handful of people who think there’s something real going on here. About a year ago, Oklahoma State neuroscientist Randy Wymore stumbled upon Leitao’s Morgellons site and became intrigued. Wymore called Leitao and asked if there were any fiber samples he could look at. Within days, Ziplocs were arriving in the mail from around the country. Though the fibers all resembled one another, he says, they looked like no other synthetic or natural fiber he compared them to. Ultimately, he asked the fiber experts on the Tulsa police department’s forensics team to examine them.

    First they employed a type of spectroscopy that identifies the chemical structures of fibers and compared them to their database of 800 fibers. No match.

    Next they subjected fibers to gas chromatography. Compounds put through this process are encased in a vacuum chamber and exposed to high heat; the temperature at which they reach boiling point is a clue to what compound they are made of. The forensic experts had a database that included the boiling point of 90,000 organic compounds with which to compare the fibers. But the machine ran to its highest temperature, 1,400 degrees, and apart from some slight blackening, nothing happened. The fiber experts were mystified. “The conclusion we were left with is that they are unknown fibers, not simply contaminants from clothing sticking to scabs,” says Wymore. ”

    That’s just one article, one drop in the bucket.


    Wymore, who is not a physician, also asked Rhonda Casey, the chief of the pediatrics department at Oklahoma State University Hospital, to take a look at some of the patients for him, to get a medical opinion. “Honestly, when he first told me about it, I thought, they’re all nuts,” says Casey. But she changed her mind. “There was not one patient I saw who did not look ill,” she says. What’s more, they all looked ill in the same way, with neurological symptoms, including confusion, foot drop, in which a person loses control of their foot and has trouble walking, and a sagging mouth when they spoke. Many had been diagnosed with atypical forms of neurological diseases like Parkinson’s or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig’s disease).

    She examined their skin via a dermatoscope, a light tool with a magnifying lens. And she did biopsies on both their lesions and apparently healthy skin. She says she saw fibers embedded in both places. The white ones, she says, are hard to see. A dermatologist who either didn’t look at all, or didn’t use a dermatoscope, might not see them under the skin. But some—the black, red, and blue ones—are blatantly obvious, she says. One young girl had a small pimple on her thigh with a bundle of black fibers just barely protruding from it. Many doctors have accused these patients of embedding fibers in the sores themselves, but Casey doesn’t believe it. “As a physician, I can’t imagine reproducing what I saw in that little girl’s leg.”

    There’s also some evidence of an overlap with Lyme disease. Ginger Savely, a San Francisco nurse practitioner with a long history of treating Lyme patients, now sees Morgellons patients and says 90 percent of them test positive for Lyme disease. “I think that one of two things is happening,” she says. “Either there’s a co-infection people are getting at the same time they get Lyme, because there are a lot of infections spread by ticks.” Or whatever is causing Morgellons is something ubiquitous that many of us are exposed to, but the disease develops only in people with weakened immune systems, like those with Lyme disease.

    Until the CDC has given the final word on this, you bloggers need to stop posting that there is no such thing as Morgellons. The CDC is the only authority with the right to declare that with any amount of certainty. You present opinions on this site that are backed up by no institution.

    If the CDC does in fact determine at some point that a small number of people have indeed contracted this illness in recent years, I want to know what you rabid skeptics are going to do then? I’m sure you’ll find a way to justify your misleading information and comments, regardless of what developments may come in regards to Morgellons research.

    What will you do then–set up a web page to debunk DU and Gulf War I syndrome? Good luck with that.

  226. No one said that “Morgellons Disease” and “Methamphetamine Poisoning” are synonymous terms, but methamphetamine poisoning can, and does, produce a DOP/Morgellons psychosis. These delusional states can also have other causes.

  227. Hello everyone

    My mom Claims to have this same problem at first I thought she was crazy but I’ve seen the things shes collected from her skin all the symptons I’ve seen I believe that this disease is true but its hard to believe her has anyone thats had this disease got to the point where when they would try to talk no one could understand you well my mom is to that point now and if this disease is what she says it is I dont know what to do so if anyone can help me please let me know to help me understand more about this disease and another question has anyone that has this disease ever done Meth? help if you can thanks so much

    BRITNEY

  228. hi Britney, tell your mum she is not alone ok, and that goes for you too. Yes I have this, and real bad, that bad that I’m here playing “chicken” with the debunkers. It certainly beats talking to the walls when trying to understand this condition.

    And by the way TC – lack of sleep, and cuddling a sick crying baby for two nights brings on the Morgellons psychosis/DOP too, actually more so than I have ever known.

    And Britney – meth?? ya mean ‘goey’, ‘happening’? all funny names for it over here in Aussie. Look many have, and many haven’t, what you have to remember is – this isn’t about meth, but you’ll want to take meth if you have this condition long enough!!!!!!!

    take care now.

  229. HOLY SHIT.

    I must be bored. Reading this crap.

    I have to ask “Smily” – WHAT is your motivation? Honestly?

    This page alone has posts from you dating back over a year? WHY? Ok so it’s clear you don’t believe morwhatever is a legit disease. Why on earth would you sit on a website writing messages trying to convince people it does not exist? Why this topic? Wasting years of your life trying to convince people some disease does not exist?? Awesome. Why would you care so much about it? Especially if you don’t even believe it is real?

    I have some advice. Spend more time expressing and focusing on things you DO believe in. That’s where credibility exists. In truth. You will never personally find truth in something you do not believe in. ie: talking about what is not real. Convincing people that you KNOW something is NOT true does not make you an authority. It will never give you the feeling of knowing and being known that you obviously want.

    Belief in skepticism is a mirror expression of delusion. Skepticism is an expression of delusion fueled by pride in “knowing” what is not true or real. It is doubt. You will never find truth in doubt. Move from doubt. Be free. Enjoy life.

  230. How rude an opening. I don’t care what you need to know about me, in your boredom, Rich, any more than I need advice from someone I haven’t asked it from. I’m free as a bird.

  231. You definetly asked for it. You begged for it. You demanded it.

  232. To smileykins. He makes a good point. that is strange you would spend so much time on here when you are trying to convince people who are infected that they are not. What do you have to gain. Ya i just found this web site and it is kind of addicting but i am starting to get tired of your shit that i dont think i will come back on this web site. I KNOW THE REAL TRUTH THAT IT EXISTS. YOU DONT. thats all i need to know. you and tall cotton are the only two people in the world i would want to be infected with this disease. it sucks to have it man.

  233. There seems to be some, what I call, “static”, going on, here, in your boredom, Rich. The offensive opening of “HOLY _____”, was what I’d referred to as being rude. It’s not part of my make up to seek advice, permission, etc., from anyone. If you want to share what’s really eating at you, maybe you should, or maybe you ought to see a doctor, if you need to. I don’t know. It’s pretty well known that people who are ill with what they think is “morgellons disease” can’t be “convinced” of anything outside of their beliefs, though. Maybe you don’t know that. And, Chris, I’m sorry you’re ill, but it’s no small wonder, with such ugly talk as you’ve just said, too. Do you not know that it comes back on a person, when they harbor such feelings as what you just said about TC and me? We’re no one to you.

  234. Hi Smily,

    Is part of morgellons disease thinking you have it? If so then i am safe.

    “ill with what they think is “morgellons disease” can’t be “convinced” of anything outside of their beliefs, though”

    Sounds like you are suffering from atleast one symptom.
    Maybe you have morgellons? Maybe morgellons disease has convinced you that you are not suffering from morgellons? Anyway.. good luck to you and whatever it is you are trying to achieve by feverishly denying morgellons.. whatever morgellons is. That’sa great question isn’t it? What IS morgellons?

  235. I am still a skeptic about this condition. It will be interesting to see what the CDC says. But as for now, there is no proof that this is a real new condition. I hope this finds you all well.

  236. Howdy, Rich. “Morgellons” is too complex to cover, if you really don’t know about it. It’s said to be the End Time Plague by many of the patients who say they have it. A lot of them claim to believe that they’re afflicted with this “new disease” because they’re The Chosen Ones. They demand more from their doctors than their doctors can deliver, and expect it, each time, from the many doctors they’ve seen. They think that their doctors are all negligent, and they believe that they need to educate them, and change how medicine is practiced. They demand justice. If charlatans can get enough research money donated, they’ve basically promised them a cure. In the meantime, the patients continue their need to send their warnings out to the rest of the world of what’s coming to us all.

    I’ve left out the beginning. I’ve left out a lot. They don’t really seem to know the beginning. I don’t hope to achieve anything, other than getting to the truth. Their plight, and their warnings, have been made to society, and they scare a lot of other sick and vulnerable people.

    I think they’re right about some things, as far as thinking it’s The End Time Plague in the making.
    Most (but maybe not all) of the patients are into taking all sorts of pills and poisons, and experimenting with antibiotics. I don’t like it. I don’t like any of it.

    I feel very deeply for these poor, pitiful patients, and for the pets and children that are injured and suffering. They don’t allow anyone from outside of their groups to voice concerns to them. Some pets are neglected and experimented on to the point of dying. If my concern seems obsessive to you, that’s of no concern to me, but thank you. (I guess? Ha.)

  237. Hi, 911! TC and I are doing wonderfully, thank you, and we hope that you are, as well.

  238. Smileykins: we do not believe we are the chosen people of this end plague. This disease does not actually kill you. it makes you want to die though. that is why so many people are have suicide attempts. that is why people believe this disease is some kind of conspiracy to depopulate the world. Through people simply questioning life itself and wanting to die because of their suffering. If there is no cure ever found for this the world will be infected after about 25 -50 years or so. The number of people getting infected is growing daily. There is no medicine or cure for it. Eventually it will be more widespread. All morgellons sufferers know this and we know the truth. you guys just are not listening. you should take us seriously

  239. Excuse me, I missed the above comment that Chris addressed to me nearly a month ago.

    Smileykins: we do not believe we are the chosen people of this end plague.

    I don’t think you’ve been on the beat long enough to know how the “we” is, then, because that is what a lot of patients who believe they have “morgellons disease” claim. That “we” is not of any importance, but each single one ofYOU who thinks you’re a “we” is all that matters, and the key to getting better lies within each individual, if you could only allow yourselves to get to it.

  240. i hope i do not get lambasted for what i am about to say, but i have been doing research for many years on GWI (gulf war illness), and my own hard to define, diagnose, kidney disorder. Let it also be known that I am an avid “scalp picker” and have come up with really crazy textures of ingrown hairs or hairs and fibers that have grown into a scab. I also notice that when I brush my hair there is always this fuzz (I have not lived with any carpet in my home for 4 years) in my hair brush. Here is my theory…

    Morgellens is a real autoimmune response to forgein man made materials that makes it into our internal organs through many different routes (eating, drinking, breathing, sex, walking or running your hands through carpet, ect..). Many of these modern fibers are man made (often containing VERY toxic substances, byproducts, and sometimes bioengineered “biobugs” that are designed to break down the product, much like fire ants were developed by GE for transformer fluid) and have “barb” MACROscopic like structures. Your body sees these particles as forgein invaders and, of course responds accordingly, and rejects these fibers through the skin (much like an IV drug user who misses the vein and injects infected material under a muscle. This material will work its way out eventually in an ugly abscess). Or could it be all the electromagnetic energy that everything uses today “pulling” these fibers out?

    I recently had an experience that was quite amazing to me. My husband brought home a “toy” that consisted of two fairly strong ovoid magnets. The purpose of them was when you toss them in the air slightly apart the magnetic attraction brings them together and the ovoid shape make them vibrate with a VERY LOUD clacking sound. I accidentily dropped them one day on a carpeted floor and upon close inspection of the magnets I noticed metal (i assume) teeny-teeny tiny (like .10 mm – .5 mm) splinters standing at magnetic attention upon the surface. I then got the idea of running one of these magnets barely above skin on my forarms. The result shocked the hell out of me because I literally could feel (but not see) metal shards coming out of my skin. More interestly is that I developed small painful pustules on my forearms the very next day, and on the arm where I have a tattoo this developed into a MRSA infection (methycillian resistant staph). The MRSA lesions were very interesting also. I had two one on the inner aspect of my forarm and one on the outer. They are positioned in a why that suggest the infection came through my arm in a linear pattern.

    pretty neat huh?

  241. I never thougth that I would be one to look at my skin and see FIBERS! But, alas! I am and DO!
    My lesions began about 2 weeks ago, but a rash started about 3 months ago!
    My feet are now so swollen my shoes don’t fit and the toilet has become my most visited freind!
    For those of you who think this is a delusion.. you are completely inccorect!
    So far, my face, such as it is, has not been effected by fibers or lesions, but both my arms legs, tummy and back have been.
    The itchy mode is just terrible!

  242. On another note, My husband just bought(at my request)a little device from Radio Shack .
    It is a $10.99 illuminated microscipe.
    These fibers are hard to see with the naked eye, but can bee seen using this device.
    It uses just 2 AAA batteries and works really weel!
    I have fibers in my unbroken skin as well as my lesions…Interesting!
    I have been diagnosed with fibro. for 11 years, this fiber disease is aslo a fatigue symptom disease…
    Oh joy!
    Again, for all of those people out there that think we are one sandwich short of a nice picinic, don’t judge…

  243. Betsy,

    Did you read the above post? Fibers are everywhere. That you see fibers on your skin, and have a radio shack microscope, doesn’t really say much.

    Further, I’ve read in a peer-reviewed published article (let me get the referene, I think it was Lyell or Lynch) that someone was able to cure the uncurable lesions merely by covering them with a cast, and forcing the sufferer not to scratch or pick at their skin.

  244. You, my dear, are an idiot!

  245. There are other symptoms besides: open, bleeding, painful lesions and fibers..YES..fibers embedded in these lesions and unbroken skin…
    Swollen hands and feet
    fatigue
    gastro problems
    eyesight problems
    trouble walking(balance)
    irritability (who wouln’t have this!)
    Sarahbionedunn : Sorry, you just don’t get it!!
    Obviously you are healthy!

  246. Hi, Betsy. So, since you don’t consider yourself to be an “idiot”, then, please, talk to people, here, and make us “get it”, in the ways you think we should be.

    What age group are you in, when was your last physical, and do you know of any ongoing conditions you have, aside from fibromyalgia (and this catch-all illness called, “morgellons disease”)? Are you on any medications? How is your blood pressure, red blood cell count, platelet count, blood sugar, kidney function? How is your thyroid gland? I’ve noticed, over the past couple of years (since I first became familiar with “morgellons disease” patients’ personal online experiences), that quite a few of them have reported either knowing that they have thyroid problems, or diabetes, and some have said that their doctors referred them to an endocrinologist, and they didn’t go.

  247. Betsy, please don’t assume that people are in good health when you do not know their situation. Most people have medical problems from time to time, and many people have problems that are ongoing, even incurable. The belief that Morgellons is a disease is a delusion. That is, when that belief is unshakable. None of us have disputed your belief that your symptoms are real. You have medical problems, but you DO NOT have Morgellons. The whole Morgellons movement is counter productive, causing a greater communication gap between patients and their doctors. Members of the movement encourage self-diagnosis and insist that everything is Morgellons. The fact is, nothing is Morgellons. The movement is very harmful and for some reason it’s apparently enticing to some people. Maybe it’s the rebellious nature which is quite natural for humans. Maybe it’s a way to alleviate the frustrations that have accumulated because of the arrogance of doctors. Nevertheless, Morgellons is a myth, a lie, and lies are never good. The delusion isn’t always in what one thinks they see. Sometimes they are absolutely correct. The delusion is in the fixed false beliefs that one can have about what they experience. Logic is on the side of the non-believer. If one can be talked out of their false beliefs with logic, then they were simply mistaken. If not, and the belief is illogical, not supported by evidence, which is the situation with every Morgellons case, and if those ideas are firmly fixed, that believer is delusional. The movement is quite attractive. There’s something in it for everyone. But, for everyone, since it is a lie, there is always more than what is bargained for, and damage that will eventually need to be undone. Sooner is easier than later, and much healthier.

    Tall Cotton

  248. Smileykins ,tallcotton:
    Do you have the sypmtpoms of Morgellons, if not then why are you disputing those of us that do?
    You must have much too much time on your hands!
    Wow..

  249. Hello, Betsy. Excuse me, but, somehow, there has been a grave misunderstanding. I was not speaking to anyone other than you. Did you not notice that I had said, “Hi, Betsy“? I didn’t say, “Hi, to all the patients who think that they have ‘morgellons disease’”.

    I didn’t think I was being disrespectful and intrusive in asking…

    1. What age group are you in?
    2. When was your last physical?
    3. Do you know of any ongoing conditions you have, aside from fibromyalgia (and this catch-all illness called, “morgellons disease”)?
    4. Are you on any medications?
    5. How is your blood pressure, red blood cell count, platelet count, blood sugar, kidney function? How is your thyroid gland?

    If you need your questions answered first, before considering mine, concerning whether TC and I have “symptoms of morgellons”…

    Betsy, “morgellons disease” is a large list of symptoms. Of course, TC and I have “symptoms of morgellons”, as does most everyone. We don’t have (again, as does most everyone…sick, healthy, and otherwise), a belief in “morgellons disease”.

    Can you try and understand that I’m not disputing your belief in it? I’m not disputing anyone’s belief in it. I realize the hold it has on each person/patient/victim/believer, and that there are solid reasons for it, and that it’s as strong as hell, for whatever each patients’ reasons are for it all.

    I hope you’re not in a crisis situation as so many of these patients are. In case you do have a thyroid condition, like hypothyroidism (and lots of “morgellons disease” patients have bi-polar disorder, you know, if you’ve read much about it, and lithium can actually cause really bad thyroid problems), there is such a thing know as pretibial myxedema, or thyroid dermopathy.

    http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic347.htm

    Excerpt:

    Histologic Findings: The characteristic histopathologic features consist of the deposition of mucin (glycosaminoglycans) throughout the reticular dermis and with attenuation of collagen fibers. Mucin may appear as individual threads and granules. With extensive deposition of mucin, the collagen fibers are frayed, fragmented, and widely separated. Stellate fibroblasts are often observed, but the number of fibroblasts is not increased. The overlying epidermis may show hyperkeratosis.

    But, worse, is something called a myxedema coma or crisis, and a lot of “morgellons disease” patients sure fit the profile, from the things I’ve read some of them saying. And, Betsy, please don’t shoot your mouth off, as so many of them do, and accuse me of diagnosing you.

    ONLY your doctor can diagnose.

    Wow, yes, I have a lot of time on my hands. How about you?

  250. Oh, sorry, I forgot to include this link on myxedema coma/crisis.

    http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1581.htm

    Can I blame that on brain-fog, Betsy? Well, sure, if I needed to claim it, I most certainly could, but I think it’s my age, and the fact that I’m so easily distracted. (I ain’t no spring chicken!)

  251. I have fibro, am on synthroid for my thyroid.
    Other then that I have been really healthy.
    I went the the Doctor two times last week for my Morgellons,that started 2 months ago.

  252. Betsy, I hope you have a good rapport with a trusted AMA doctor, who can answer your questions, explaining what having hypothyroidism means. I wish you, and your husband, the best.

  253. Betsy Says: You, my dear, are an idiot!
    Betsy Says: Smileykins ,tallcotton: Do you have the sypmtpoms of Morgellons, if not then why are you disputing those of us that do? You must have much too much time on your hands! Wow..

    Betsy, these are very interesting ad-hominem attacks, meaning, that you are choosing to attack the person in name-calling instead of the validity of their comments. If you would like to address an issue, you are welcome, but when you engage in ad-hominem attacks, it shows me that you are unable to refute the evidence that shows “Morgellons” is not a disease but a list of symptoms.

    Further, your “too much time on your hands” is a straw man argument. We’re not refuting “Morgellons” as a distinct medical entity because we have too much time on our hands. Rather, we do it because we see people suffering, and more, see people suffering needlessly because of (in my opinion) false, unshakable beliefs. If you’d like to criticize that, you’re welcome, but making things up as to why we read this blog are silly.

  254. So back to issues.

    Betsy, you said you found fibers in your skin. How does this support or refute Michael’s assertion that fibers are everywhere are that this is not a significant event?

  255. I have better things to do with my time, rather then “banter” with you ass holes…
    I hope you NEVER EVER wake up with lesions.!

  256. This was sent to the direct email of this blog:
    I have been directly assaulted by some of your blog members..
    I just left a nasty but much needed reply..
    You should watch what your membesr are emailing to this blog.
    I am only looking for help ..not criticism, this is obviously not the place to receive help!
    Betsy

  257. Aw, shit. I wish that hatefulness, and taking everything backwards, would be added to the case definition, because they’re the main symptoms of “morgellons disease”.

  258. I thought it was all about Morgellons sypmtoms, too.
    That is why I came to this blog.. I was incorrect..
    There are other support groups on the Internet that are there to HELP those of us with Morgellons…
    YOU are the one who is hateful and in the dark ages!
    BYE!!!

  259. Hey Smilekins and Tall Cotton,
    Why don’t you contact Dr Kolb in Atlanta and tell her this is not real. You are a couple of Sickos.
    If you spend more time investigating the use of Bt in Genetically Modified Foods and Endocrine Disruption in Pesticides and Fighting That, and get your dumb a–es off the internet trying to debunk this you would be better off.
    I hope the two of you rot.
    Trisha Springstead

  260. Trisha.. HURRAH for you! Finally… there is someone on this blog who has connected brain cells !!
    GOOD for you.. Tank you for your support!
    I appreciate it!
    I bet those two idiots have never even heard of Genetically Modified Cotton..
    I hope they by garments that contain these fibers and wear them in HELL!

  261. trisha,

    i live in atlanta. can you give me some info on dr kolb. sara bione-dumb
    please shut up . you consistently refuse to acknowledge credible scientific evidence that has been done clearly supporting morgellons as being a valid new disease. who can you offer to refute these claims? tell me what peer reviewed studies, research, or investigations can back up the claims you make. the doctors y’all quote to “prove” your point have 0 viable research to base their opinions on. state your opinion as to why the fibers could not be identified by the fbi database and why the experts involved in that finding say that the fibers are not man made. what is your theory as to why an inordinatly large % of persons diagnosed with morgellons subsequently test positive for lyme disease. if this is indeed just an internet illness why does the geographical evidence show cluster outbreaks with 3 states having most of the cases, rather than the delusion being more evenly distributed nation wide. does logic not point more towards an environmental contaminant? i guess you would have to try using logic to consider that option though. what about the finding of agrobacteria in all samples submitted by morgies and 0 found in the control group of dr citovoskys preliminary investigation. please give me documented peer reviewed evidence to support your blatherings or just bow out gracefully. to keep arguing a lost cause suggest an agenda or motive not driven by compassion

  262. Trish,

    I’d asked, on the last topic you’d commented on, how long you’ve had “morgellons disease”, as well as why you’d mentioned the racial backgrounds of some of “your” indigent patients.

    Betsy,

    Get someone without “morgellons disease” to read the link below, and explain it to you. Please look at the comments’ section, too, for an recent update on someone that most of us are familiar with.

    http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/

    Sincerely,

    Smileykins

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Due to the communication difficulties, I have to state that I’m not “judging”. My belief is that only The Creator can judge. I am not “diagnosing”. Only a qualified member of the AMA can diagnose. All that I do is observe, and give my opinions on the information provided, seeing all people as the individuals they are, trying not to stigmatize anyone. So far, lots of predjudices have been revealed, coming from “morgellons disease” patients, including, what looks like (first and foremost) preconceived notions about mental illness.

    Sometimes, people can, unwittingly, join a group and behave in ways to stigmatize themselves, too. Most “morgellons disease” patients that I’m aware of, so far, want attention, and after drawing it to themselves, they want to be left alone. By viewing the outweighing opinions outside of their own beliefs as something that they aren’t, a lot of negative reactions are directed towards anyone concerned about their behaviors. Everyone has their own reasons for it, and I “get it”, as, I imagine, most people do. Maybe anger is a way of life, for some people, and that’s the only way they know. But…

    What is Psychosis?

    Psychosis is a condition characterised by a particular group of symptoms, effecting the way a person thinks, feels & behaves. An individual who experiences psychosis becomes ‘out of touch’ with reality for a period of time, often behaving very differently from the way they usually do.

    There are 3 phases of psychosis. The first phase (prodrome) is sometimes difficult to recognise because the changes in thoughts, feelings & behaviour are so subtle. In the second phase (acute) the person experiences distinct symptoms of psychosis & clearly becomes ‘out of touch’ with reality. In the third (recovery) phase, with treatment & support, the symptoms tend to reduce. Many people who experience a psychotic episode may never experience another one, but a significant proportion can continue to experience ongoing symptoms & require more long term interventions.

    For anyone with a “morgellons disease” patient in their life, I recommend reading the link below, to see if anything matches up. Since the “morgellons disease” awareness movement has appealed to others, outside of the founding patient members, the reasons that a person believes in “morgellons disease” are as individual as the person with the belief. Therefore, I don’t think that all such persons are experiencing psychosis. For those who are, that is why “morgellons disease” destroys them.

    http://www.health.qld.gov.au/rbwh/inbmhs/factsheets/psychosis.pdf

    And, with all that being said, I want to address something, concerning how so many “morgellons disease doctors and researchers” claim that antipsychotic meds don’t help “morgellons disease” patients. I’ve expressed my disdain over that ridiculous blanket statement, before, assuming, (given the situation), naturally, that these “experts on morgellons disease” have not spoken to the doctors that such patients have seen in the past. Plus, since these “doctors and researchers” are-who-they-are (afterall), they don’t want these patients to think of themselves as individuals, with separate health histories and etiologies, (even though they know it, fully well). No, they tell them that the effects of “morgellons disease” has caused them to seem mentally ill. The combined deceit of these individuals isn’t anything resembling what they try passing off as empathy for the patients that they’re further harming. Generally, the longer and more severe a psychotic episode, the poorer the prognosis is for the patient. That’s why antipsychotics don’t help some people. They can help to alleviate hallucinations, but not longstanding delusions. Early diagnosis and treatment are critical to improving outcomes for the patient across all psychotic disorders.

    Morgellons Disease —> Go to a doctor and keep disagreeing with their diagnosis. Don’t treat what you have, and let it all go to hell in a handbasket. Then, turn it around on those doctors, and everyone and everything else.

    Not everyone believes in Heaven and hell. If anyone feels as though they’re in hell, already, it’s probably because they are experiencing it. When someone else makes all the calls, assured of keeping a person there, then, that is where they’ll remain, if it’s enticing enough to them. “Morgellons disease” is mesmerizing to so many who complain about it, all the while.

    I don’t share anyone’s paranoia over the use of Bt in genetically modified foods, or live in fear of anything. “Morgellons disease” patients are unique.

  263. Let ‘er rip, take the whole internet hostage. You’re all being “heard”, which is what you want.

  264. Hi Ppy,
    Wow .. you go for it!I was going to leave this blog, but the last two entries have given me hope there might be intellegent life on this…
    Lesions and fibers are NOT the only symptoms…
    A a Morgie, I have feet that no long fit into my shoes… the toilet is now my “best freind”..
    Sleep… what is that??? I just had my eye check 7 months ago.. now I find I can’t see anything clearly anymore!
    Betsy in Maine

  265. H, This is a copy of an email that I just sent to Dr. Klob in Atlanta, Ga.
    Hopefully, I will hear from her.. She received my email addy, city and state and phone number…
    ————————————————————————-
    Dr. Kolb,
    I saw your name mentioned on a blog site on the Internet.
    I have been to my primary care with little help.

    Last May I developed a “rash” that would never heal.
    Since then, I have had lesions develop on my right and left arms, legs and tummy.
    These “harden over’ until I shower.
    I have seen with a suggested Radio Shack illuminated microscope,($10.99,)
    red and black fibers both in these lesions as well a my unbroken skin.

    I was diagnosed with fibro. 11 years ago. I also have been tested (positive) with ParvoB-19
    3 years ago.
    These lesions as well as my unbroken, skin itch terribly. I have tried to the best of my ability to leave them alone.

    My symptoms are the lesions and fibers, swollen feet (my shoes no longer fit) and hands.
    The toilet seems to be my new best friend!

    I have a suspicion what this is, but fear to mention it.
    This is not yet understood or acknowledged my the medical field, or at least in our area of the US.
    All the research I have done leads to one disease.

    Any informatoin or help would be wonderful..
    Many thanks in advance!

  266. And the more the Morgies are heard, the more obvious their mental problems become. And since that is the truth, the recognition and admission of those mental problems is the first step to their recovery. Therefore, I, too, am glad that they are being heard. “Let ‘er rip”, is right!!

    Tall Cotton

  267. P.S. I know all about cotton… especially Chinese cotton.

    Sometimes compassion manifests as “tough love”. Morgies don’t know how to recognize true support. To Morgies support means being believed. That’s why they only listen to quack doctors and researchers. We aren’t going away, and we won’t be silenced. Get over it!

    Tall Cotton

  268. Tall Cotton, Just why are you am member of this blog… I thouht Atilla the Hun was long dead..
    I would only have a mental problem if I continue to stay in this blog.. So Good Buy!

  269. right back at ya q tip. we ain’t going anywhere. only difference is we continue to accumulate valid scientific data to support our claims. you have no evidence to support your position. now when i say evidence, i am talking about using scientifically acceptable methods of investigation to reach an unbiased conclusion. “because i said so” just doesnt cut it in the real world buddy.

  270. Ppy, YOU are an angel!
    I would love to be able to contact you directly (without these idtiots )commenting with what they know NOTHING of!
    Betsy

  271. Ppy,
    Thanks so much! :>)

  272. PPy says: only difference is we continue to accumulate valid scientific data to support our claims.

    Again, references to these will be helpful. That would be the title of the article, the author, the year it was published, and the journal in which it was published. As you have valid research to prove your case, I’m sure the research, including its methods, results, and conclusion is in a peer-reviewed journal for all to see. Because, as you said, “because i said so” just doesn’t cut it in the real world, so I look forward to the evidence of your scientific validation.

  273. simple sara,
    you do have a college degree right? put it to good use . you are embarrassing my dawgs with your pathetic attempts to give me busy work. try to google a few more of those names i gave ya and you might get it right. but then you knew that already, didn’t you? keep dancing sara. the question i asked you to address will still be here when you get tired

  274. why was one of my post deleted? can’t have any logical post that show y’all up on here right?

  275. Hurrah..my dermatologist diagnosed my Morgellons this morning…
    I knew I would find help!

  276. Betsy, I appreciate your staying on and posting here. You’d said that other than fibromyalgia and hypothyroidism, that you’d been real healthy until recently. But, now you’ve revealed having had parvo b-19 virus.

    I’m sure that those of you who think that you have “morgellons disease” (or who even those such as Ppy, who understands, apparently, that she has delusions), don’t know why you have a problem communicating with some of the people in your daily lives (for those of you who complain about it), but your demanding and demeaning attitudes and name calling probably has a whole, whole, lot to do with it.

    So, Betsy, did you share those three illnesses with the dermatologist you saw today, so that nothing you have, underlying your “morgellons disease”, goes unaddressed, resulting in complications of your “morgellons disease” treatment? What type of doctor did you see, two times, last week, and did you also tell that one about your health history? You don’t have to answer me. Just try thinking about it, if you’re able to. If you’re not, I understand, and I hope you get better real soon.

    Other potential illnesses that occasionally may be linked to or triggered by PV-B19 include the following:

    * Viral-associated hemocytophagia
    * Rheumatoid arthritis
    * Systemic sclerosis
    * Systemic lupus erythematosus
    * Autoimmune-like pulmonary disease
    * Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura
    * Diamond-Blackfan–like anemia
    * Acute vasculitic syndromes
    * Atypical and nonspecific erythematous exanthem
    * Myocarditis
    * Hepatitis
    * Uveitis
    * Seizures, encephalitis, and other neurologic manifestations
    * Glomerulonephritis/nephrotic syndrome

    Erythema Infectiosum (Fifth Disease)

    http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic136.htm

  277. Smileykins,
    I will be glad to answer your questions!
    I went to my primary care two times. She was unable to diganose my lesions so made an appointment with a local dermatologist who hs been in practice 30 years.

    Becasue this was a first time visit with this specaialst,I knew I would have some lenghty paperwork to fill out. The night before,I typed, via my word program, all my meds as that is easier then just writing them down at the office.

    I also added that I had been diagnosed with fibro 11 years ago
    and had a blood test for ParvoB-19 that was positive 3 years ago.
    I added other then that healthy.

    The specialist took an hour with me and was very thourough.
    I am thrilled that I finally, after 3 months of HELL, have a diagnosis.
    AND that I’m not delulsional or suffer form Nuertoic Dertmatitis …

  278. Smileykins,
    My priamry care provider was the one who diagnosed my fibro and Parvo.
    These have been in my records all along.
    I have never claimed to “have a problem communicating with some of the people in your daily lives”.
    That is an assumtion you made.
    All I know is I have had these symproms for about 8 weeks:
    lesoins
    fibers
    aoverall itchy and burning sensations
    swollen hands and feet
    gastro. problems
    eye sight problesms
    AND NOW I HAVE A DIAGNOSIS FOR THESE SYPMTOMS!!!
    *****************MORGELLONS******************
    For all of you who also suffer,keep looking for treatment, it is out there! Good luck!
    For all of you who don’t belive or understand this disease..you can go to Hell in a handbasket!

  279. Betsy, it’s okay to give people the wrong impression (if you’ve meant to come across the ways you have), but, please, realize that people may (such as I) take from your words what they will. I apologize for upsetting you. Perhaps, since you’re so new to the “morgellons disease” scene, you don’t know that many online patients complain of becoming isolated from others. Perhaps you don’t know some of the common behaviors they share, and that they don’t want communication with anyone else, online (and some, in their daily lives, from what they say), who has differing opinions from theirs. Maybe you don’t know, yet, about all of the things many of them report, and that they consider themselves a group, rather than the individuals they are. This is all entirely possible, since you’ve mistaken this blog as being a support forum. It is wonderful that you have stayed with the same primary care physician, for, at least, the past eleven years. People are all different, and we all have our own ways, but I would hope that you didn’t only see your PCP about your skin, and not mention:

    Swollen hands and feet
    fatigue
    gastro problems
    eyesight problems
    trouble walking(balance)
    irritability (who wouln’t have this!)

    If you were to review, beginning at comment #246, I’d asked a list of pertinent questions, twice, but that’s okay, you can have what you have and I’m not one to try and stop you. I’ve only never seen, such as the rest of society, such a phenomenal thing as this patient movement.

    I understand “morgellons disease”, and condemn me to hell for being concerned. I’m totally used to it from this “group”.

  280. Uh-oh, Betsy, I see why you’d thought I was addressing you, where you’d said:

    Comment #285

    I have never claimed to “have a problem communicating with some of the people in your daily lives”.
    That is an assumtion you made.

    I do apologize for the misunderstanding. I’d said:

    Comment #282

    I’m sure that those of you who think that you have “morgellons disease” (or who even those such as Ppy, who understands, apparently, that she has delusions), don’t know why you have a problem communicating with some of the people in your daily lives (for those of you who complain about it), but your demanding and demeaning attitudes and name calling probably has a whole, whole, lot to do with it.

    I have unintentionally caused these types of misunderstandings many times, and I can’t seem to stop doing it. I realize that I should have done more than just distinguished when I was addressing you, where I said the name, “Betsy”, and I should have sectioned that paragraph off with something to indicate that it was separate, and not to you, personally. I messed up, by saying, “for those of you who complain about it”.

    Again, I’m sorry. I have nothing but trouble trying to communicate with “morgellons disease” patients.

  281. Hehehe, I have typos, a lot of the times, too, which adds to the confusion. (Especially, when I copy & paste the same one, again, like the extra word, “who” that I missed.) Get well, Betsy, and don’t be mean to people when they only want to communicate.

  282. Thanks all for your impute and opinions..
    It has been a learing experience!
    I hope that in my travels I will meet others who I can help..
    Afterall, that is what it is all about!

  283. Betsy, you’re welcome, and thank you for your imputations, too.

  284. So anyone who is skeptical of this condition can STFU and go to hell, eh?

    How long until you lazy gits start asking for government handouts, free money blah blah blah.

  285. Hi all!
    Just checking for comments…

  286. “So anyone who is skeptical of this condition can STFU and go to hell, eh?”

    I don’t know about you guys, but this one sentence certainly changed MY mind.

  287. Have any of you heard of Valley Fever or San Joaquin Fever? It is found in the southwest and can also infect the skin. Do you think this is made up? Just curious.

  288. Question:

    Have any of you heard of Valley Fever or San Joaquin Fever?

    Answer: Yes

    Question:

    Do you think this is made up?

    Answer: No

  289. Having had a real disease several times,MRSA, I can tell you lunatics what it is like to really suffer. What you all have is a mental disorder and as is known by the medical feild, when a person is mentally ill,they can make themselves physically ill.
    Psycho Somatic disorder. Why has no one come up with this suggestion yet? Every Person in this blog seems to be self diagnosed with this bullshit Morgellons syndrome! How Many of you were REALLY diagnosed by a medical proffessional? I can tell you that the type of Dr. that you need to see has a couch in his office! You people seem to suffer from OCD or something,focusing your entire lives looking at pictures of “fibers” that seem to be “living” in and on your bodies. The more you obsess of being “sick” and telling every one how sick you are ,you are i fact causing your body to become ill . Perhaps you should stop looking at pictures of lesions for a while and look up something called Somatoform disorder. You jackasses are causing yourselves to be sick by your own will. You want to be sick, you want the attention given to the sick, and you need anti-psychotic meds and psychiatric help. It only gets worse, the longer you have “morgellons” ,and the more you sit for hours at a time in front of your computers comparing each others fibers, lesions, pain, cramps, bloatedness and whatever other vague symtoms you claim to have. Take it from someone who has been through the ringer, has had diseases that the medical feild can actually identify and treat. and is not a psychotic basket case.And by the way, I also hope that I never ever wake up with lesions,because that would mean that the mental illness had hit me too!

  290. I have a question for all the Morgiephiles on this site. If this disease is caused by genetically altered cotton,how was it that Morgellons was reported as far back as 1935? Who the hell was able to alter the cotton seed before WWII? Was this something Hitler came up with as a way of world domination and it is just now taking effect?Hmmm, seems like it backfired on him! LOL

  291. MRSAMAN:

    Morgellons was a term used in the late 1700′s for a skin problem that occured then.It was a black unknown substance that came from the pores. A man originally named Morgellon named this skin problem.

    The case in circa 1935 was a likeness of the 1700′s skin problem, and again was named after Morgellon of the 1700′s.

    The little boy of Mry L, who had lesions and fibers on and in his lip a few years ago had no medical attention and no help. Frustrated, his Mom named his enigma “Morgellons”, after the 1700′s man named Morgellons.

    No, they did not have GM cotton in the 1700′s nor in 1935!

    I have Morgellons and have not spent hours in front of my computer comparing symptoms..
    I have carefully researched GM cotton.
    I contracted Morgellons as I have unknowingly been in daily contact with GM cotton since last January.
    I was given an after bath spray with a “soft cotton fragrance”.
    This is a new product and contains GM cottonseed oils. So in other words,I have sprayed myself each day with “Round Up” for 6 months!
    Those with a compromised immune system can and often do have a systemic reaction to this GM cotton that others won’t have.
    I have fibro and carry ParvoB-19, thus my immune system has been weakened.

    My lesions have all but cleared,thank Heavens, but as a result, my fibers have become longer and entangled into each other. They are very painful.
    I have tried hard to find a simple way to remove these once they have come to the skin surface.
    A lint roller works very well, who would have thought!

    My husband has been so wonderful, and has removed some of these fibers, as they are now large enough to see without a magnifying glass. As soon as the fibers are removed, the intense pain goes away.

    Betsy :>)

  292. MRSAMAN:
    I do know what MRSA is, our son has had 9 boughts of hospital stays in 21 months.
    Each time he goes back they give him just enoght Vancomycin(sp?)via a PICC line to give the appearance he is better. They send him home and then it starts all over agin..
    He has had infections in his PICC line!
    He had knee surgery and a spinal tap, they don’t know which may have casued this horrible staph infection.
    So much for TEXAS hsopitals!!!
    This “Super Bug” as it is called is just horrible!
    Anyone who has this is in a great deal of pain with only a few options for treatment.
    Once you have MRSA, you are never free of the antibiotic resistant bacteria.
    Even a slight cut can bring on a life threatening experience.
    I do know fisrt hand what MRSA is…
    Betsy

  293. Someone named Betsy, recently thought that, too, overlooking the big title at the top of the page. When someone like that stumbles onto this blog, we act cordial to them.

    How nice of you,”When someone like that”…????
    Yes, You are correct, I did think this was a supoort group when I first “stumbled onto this blog”.
    I very quickly relaized this blog is a witch hunt.

    Betsy

  294. Smileykins

    I found that Morgellons Watch qoute on another site!
    Hmmmmmm….

  295. Here is the quote:

    Smileykins Says:
    July 29th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
    Neils, poor little Chris had said he’d stopped smoking pot. He’s been on here under the influence of alcohol, a couple of times. Have you read, and understood, anything Chris has said? He’s even thought that this was a support forum. Someone named Betsy, recently thought that, too, overlooking the big title at the top of the page.
    When someone like that stumbles onto this blog, we act cordial to them.

  296. Betsy, what is the “Hmmmmmm” for? I’d known that the words you’d quoted were mine. I replied with “yikes” to all of the other things you’d said. Are you willing to elaborate about this man named Morgellons, whom you said “morgellons disease” was named after, and can you explain what you mean in feeling that this blog is akin to a “witch hunt”?

  297. Smileykins

    I said Hmmmmm so others who read that post will know that “cordial treatment” given by those on this site to Morgellons patients is just a put on.. Yikes doesn’t really accomplish a decent response.
    Yes, those people whow have Morgellons symptoms are “shot down” and argued with on every point.. thus the “witch hunt”.
    I will have go and to copy and paste about the Morgellons name.
    I will do that later…

  298. There is no “1700’s man named Morgellons”.

  299. “The name Morgellon comes from a condition involving “black hairs” emerging from the skin of children which was documented in France in the 1600′s. It is doubtful that the 17th century disease has anything to do with modern day Morgellons, however the similarities were such that we elected to use the name as a consistent label when adressing politicians, physicians and health departments.”

  300. This is the site “Letters to a friend”
    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/letter/kellett.html

    I have done so much searching for the Morgellons of the 2000′s I had forgotten who actually named this enigma .
    Sir Thomas Browne,an English writer and pyhsician named the “black hairs” that came from childrens’ bodies “The Morgellons” in 1674.
    This is described in his letter in the above link.

  301. Betsy, have you ever heard of a condition affecting someone so badly that they vehemently deny it while everyone around them notices? That’s “morgellons disease”.

  302. Thar is your opinion, of course.
    Actually, Morgellons is NOT a disease..
    After much research I now realize that morgellons is a negative REACTION to GM cotton.
    That is how I contracted it.

    Calling Morgellons a disease is not correct.
    Those of us with a compromised immune systems have reactions (that others don’t) to the protein pesticides in Genetically Modified(Engeneered)cottonseds.

    Some people can’t eat chocolate,nuts,dairy products,etc.
    I have had a terrible reaction to GB cotton.
    This, the results are mutated fibers from the protein put into the pesticides used.
    The are now contemplating Bt corn use in Maine!
    We are the last state to bow under….
    Oh joy!

    “condition affecting someone so badly that they vehemently deny it while everyone around them notices?”
    That is not true in my case..
    I just want the truth be known and not ridiculous ideas from those who know not…..

  303. Well, mercy, Betsy, I have allergies, myself. When you’d listed your illnesses, earlier, you didn’t say that you had allergies, nor did you even mention the HUGE FACT that you’re immune compromised. Is that due to HIV, AIDS, chemotherapy for cancer, immune suppressing drugs for an autoimmune condition, or from being a transplant recipient? Cuz, if it ain’t from any of those things, then, ya ain’t immune compromised. The “morgellons movement” has made the truth known, loud and clear, all along. I think I want the truth out far more than you do, along with slamming some asses into federal prison for doing this to y’all.

  304. I forgot that you could have other things, like a bad spleen, Betsy, but could you just explain what is really wrong with you? Didn’t you say that a doctor diagnosed you with “morgellons disease”? What did that doctor tell you about it?

  305. Smileykins

    The “morgellons movement” has made the truth known, loud and clear, all along. I think I want the truth out far more than you do, along with slamming some asses into federal prison for doing this to y’all.

    For this comment, I thank you!

    Yes, my physician agreed that my symptoms followed what has been called Morgellons Disease.
    He really didn’t know much, other then the few articles he has read.
    Becasue I have this,I have done more research then he has.

    It is MY opinion that this is NOT a diease, but rather a reaction to GM cotton!

  306. I will have a Morgellons website up soon,this opinion will be stated in it!

  307. I’m sorry, Betsy. You seem to think I suddenly changed my stand after over two years worth of familiarizing myself with this crime, and don’t even know what I’m referring to.

  308. Sorry, I mistook you as someone who cared and has a soul.
    You don’t give a shit about anyone but yourself..you can go straight to Hell in a handbasket.

  309. If you only realized that I’m not making an assumption that you have a problem communicating, Betsy.

  310. Hey smelly do you have a communication problem w/ Fuck You?

  311. Hi. If you like, go up and look where Betsy came in. Comment #246, and read on down. She’s not effectively communicating. BTW, are you feeling all right, Gregg?

  312. No, I have learned more then you have in this time span…(comment #246)

  313. Ohhhhh Gregg..
    Too funny!
    I’ll be glad to get my website up and running..
    Tallcotton and those like you will be left here to argue nonsense with each other……

  314. I don’t know who Gregg is, to you, Betsy, but why in the world are you so mean?

  315. This horrid website was created for and will continue to debunk Morgellons, weather you truly know anything about it or not…

    Ridiculing and arguing with those who have Morgellons is the purpose of this site.
    It is most obvious those here take great pleasure offering negative comments!

    I have more productive things to do with my time, such as helping others who have Morgellons.
    My new website has been carefully put together for the purpose of positive and helpful ways to communicate with others who have the same symptoms as I do.

    My lengthy research and personal experience with my Morgellons symptoms certainly will help others who are suffering also.

    Those who enjoy arguing; “just for the sake of arguing” will stay loyal to this site!
    Thank Heavens they will, no one else would want them!!

  316. I’ve previously apologized, and upon reviewing, still fail seeing anything that’s been disrespectful of you, Betsy. You’ve called some people names, and said real ugly things. I’d just tried to engage in a non-complicated conversation with you over something that you’d brought up. If you’re not crazy, you shouldn’t act like it.

  317. Smileykins (little bunny two-shoes), Moregellons (pseudo straight man), and Tall Cotton (tar baby) – who let you out of the corporate nursery school? You kids have had your fun, why don’t you get along home now to your corporation before you are missed and get back to pulling the wings off flies for which you will also be paid handsomely. One can hear you now — “Awhhhh – but it’s sooooo much fun!” It’s good to know someone is doing productive and earth shaking work in this faltering economy.

  318. Katsymaroo,

    If you actually have a legitimate gripe against anyone who comments here, where they have said something inaccurate, you’re welcome to comment and post on that. Copy and paste will surely suffice. It doesn’t exactly support your cause to engage in name-calling and…well, I’m not even sure what you were trying to say to even sum it up.

  319. I came here because the banner at the masthead said it was “Skeptical analysis and discussion”, but having read a few threads I see that it is in fact nothing of the kind.

    To me, “Skeptical” means inclined to suspend judgement and awaits with interest further evidence for either side. Whatever Tall Cotton and Smileykins are, they certainly are not skeptical in that sense of the word. But like everyone else they are entitled to their opinion. I just happen to think it is wrong of them to present themselves as “skeptical” when they clearly are not.

    Fibres are everywhere. Well, yes they are. There are fibres in the air we breathe, in our hair, up our noses and on our skin. They are there all the time and their presence is entirely natural, predictable and explicable.

    But what is not explicable is why any proper analysis of the fibres detected by persons claiming to suffer from Morgellons disease has not found them to be these fibres that are everywhere. In fact, when these fibres from alleged MD sufferers were analysed by the Tulsa police forensic science team they found that the fibres were “not from clothing, carpets towels or bedding”.

    Further, using spectroscopy they were unable to match the fibres to any of the 880 compounds commonly used in manufacturing commercial fibres. Dye-extracting solvents released no colouration.

    Finally, they tried gas chromatography and found that even when heated to 370C they did nothing more than give off small amounts of carbon dioxide, and darkened in colour.

    Now, I am not saying that this one experiment necessarily proves a whole lot. But it does tend to indicate that these fibres are not simply paper and clothing fibres found everywhere, and this does tend to indicate that you guys can no longer just use your handwaving argument that “fibres are everywhere”.

    It should also not need pointing out, but obviously does, but if there was something for the scientists to test, then these fibres, whatever they eventually turn out to be, are not simply a figment of the MD’s imagination, are they?

    Dr. Ahmed Kilani PhD. of Clongen Laboratories, a bio-tech company based in Rockville, Maryland, has extracted the DNA from MD fibres and found it belonged to a fungus. He has applied for a government grant to continue this work.

    Professor Vitaly Citovsky, Department of Biochemistry and Cell Biology at Stony Brook University, has found that Morgellons lesions contain Agrobacterium, a genus of bacterium that causes tumours in plants. He also found that Agrobacterium – which is used commercially to produce genetically modified plants – is, under laboratory conditions, at least, able to insert its DNA into human cells. This is the only recorded example of trans-kingdom DNA transfer (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol 98, p 1871).

    Skeptics, true skeptics that is, not hard and fast non-believers who wouldn’t change their mind even if they knew what it was, should welcome these developments and be willing to await further results before being so willing to ridicule others.

    Attempts to ridicule Dr. Randy Wymore with comments that you can tell from his videos that he is lying are just not even reasonable. Exactly which qualifications and exactly how much experience in clinical diagnosis do you bring to bear in order to arrive at that conclusion? Oklahoma State University are sufficiently confident of Dr. Wymore’s credentials to list him on their “Featured Expert” page, where they describe him as an “assistant professor of pharmacology and physiology at the Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences and College of Osteopathic Medicine.”

    So we have three PhD’s saying that whatever these fibres are, they are weird and we have not seen anything like them before. We have the forensic science team of the Tulsa Police saying they are weird and we don’t know what they are. And we have Tall Cotton and Smileykins with unknown credentials saying they are everywhere. Given that the PhD’s are prepared to put their professional reputations on the line to say this, while you two are too timid to even use your own names, I know who I would tend to believe.

    Now let’s have a skeptical discussion.

  320. Dear Martin,

    You said “But like everyone else they are entitled to their opinion. I just happen to think it is wrong of them to present themselves as “skeptical” when they clearly are not.”

    Tallcotton and Smileykins don’t run the blog. Michael does. If you dislike the posts they have contributed, you can comment on how THOSE are not skeptical, but otherwise, you can’t judge a blog by its commentors.

    “Should welcome these developments and be willing to await further results before being so willing to ridicule others.”

    Ridicule? Like posting pictures of dissenters on your webpage with pins going through their heads, perhaps? I’m sure you agree, not particularly supportive of your cause.

    “Attempts to ridicule Dr. Randy Wymore with comments that you can tell from his videos that he is lying are just not even reasonable.”

    Please show me examples of where anyone has said Dr. Wymore was “lying.” Copy and paste quotes will suffice.

    “Exactly which qualifications and exactly how much experience in clinical diagnosis do you bring to bear in order to arrive at that conclusion?”

    Ability to reason and follow the scientific process requires no qualifications or clinical diagnosis.

    “So we have three PhD’s saying that whatever these fibres are, they are weird and we have not seen anything like them before. We have the forensic science team of the Tulsa Police saying they are weird and we don’t know what they are.”

    You ignore the tens of PhD’s and MD’s who support that Morgellons is most likely the results of DP. Is this a matter of who has the most PhDs and MDs supporting their opinion? Because in that case….

  321. sarahbionedunn,

    You said:
    Please show me examples of where anyone has said Dr. Wymore was “lying.” Copy and paste quotes will suffice.

    If you can’t be bothered to read the thread you are commenting on there doesn’t appear to be much point attempting to have rational discourse with you.

    Try reading post 114.

    And in post 115 Smileykins goes one better and says that all people who claim to be suffering from this disease are also lying.

    That does not seem to me to be the point from which to conduct any kind of rational, skeptical enquiry into anything.

  322. Sarah shouldn’t have had to explain that this is someone’s blog, open for comments from anyone.

    From the start, Tall Cotton and I have never presented ourselves as “skepticals”, here. Maybe this topic thread is the only one Martin has read, since he’s presenting information on “morgellons disease” that’s been previously discussed.

    I’d said, a long time ago, that I think Wymore has all the traits of a liar, I’ve always thought so, and still stand by that. I think that all of the other “professionals” involved with this fraudulent disease, screwing around with these terribly unfortunate members of society, are liars too.

    To correctly quote myself, as anyone can see in comment #115:

    …“morgellons disease” is founded upon one lie after another.

    That is not the same as “that all people who claim to be suffering from this disease are also lying”.

    Some people really don’t know when they’re lying.

  323. TC is into a great old big thing with me over it, so I retract saying that some people really don’t know when they’re lying. Just forget that!!! (Hehehehe, I know what I meant, but it could be misinterpreted.)

  324. This seems like a blog for people who like to argue and insult each other and sometimes those just passing through. Again I find it curious, and find myself sneaking back to see who is doing who now. I feel like I’m hanging around a muddy river bank trying desperately not to fall in. I especially am humoured by the parts, heres an example, where so and so say’s “I’m not playing anymore – goodbye” and walah there they are again.
    Keep it up… it’s becoming a little bit of a soapy for me.

  325. Thanks for the copy and paste quotes. It seems to me that Smileykins was saying that she feels Dr. Wymore has mannerisms of a person who is lying. You support that her allegation is “unreasonable.” Please explain how you feel her opinion is unreasonable?

    Also, she clarified that she feels “Morgellons” was founded on many lies. This doesn’t mean the alleged sufferers are at fault for being mislead, in my opinion. I’m not sure how you got your interpretation?

    “This seems like a blog for people who like to argue and insult each other and sometimes those just passing through.”

    As opposed to a webpage just intended to insult people who disagree? I refer to the singular NMO. I’m keen with your opinion on the insulting rampant in the leading Morgellons website.

  326. http://www.mainemorgellons.com/

    This is a new and “guarded” Morgellons site.
    It is NOT intended to be used as a place of arguement, or to debunk Morgellons.

    All posts are read before being placed on this site by the site monitor..

  327. Isthis4REAL, the value of Michael’ blog is in the content of his topics, not in the comments’ section. If you skim down through some of the older comments they are very funny, but, very sad at the same time. A great deal can be learned about these patients/believers through their “morgellons disease” message boards and blogs, but, here, too, as well. I would love to be able to find a way to reach them, but I’m convinced it is impossible.

    Thanks, Sarah.

    Betsy, another “guarded” site, like so many others’ “morgellons disease” message boards and blogs? I think patients/believers, shut people out for good reason, here, online, same as in their real lives, and I don’t think it’s healthy to not want to try conversing with the rest of us, and answering all of our inquiries, after alarming the rest of society about your “disease”. Even though those sites are “guarded”, and most people with an interest know what happens to non-believers who just want to try to talk on them, they are not conducive to good health. Quite the opposite. Can you not even attempt to discuss things that you’ve, so far, evaded, here, after bringing them up, Betsy? If the answer is, “no”, okay. I understand, and I’ll respect your decision to protect “morgellons disease”.

  328. First off, Morgellons is NOT a disease!
    It should never be named a disease.
    It is a reaction to GM cotton!

    My new site is for those who are suffereing from this reaction and not those who try very hard to debunk our symptoms.

  329. Nobody is trying to debunk your symptoms. The symptoms are real.

    What is being debunked is the assertion that everyone has the same disease, and that this is a new disease, and that the fibers are something to do with it.

    But your symptoms are real, your suffering is real. Like every who describes their problems as being “Morgellons”, you deserve to be helped and properly treated, and not misled.

  330. I have not been misled, you see, I have the symptoms, all of them, that go with a reaction that has been named Morgellons,.
    Perhaps, this reaction should have been called a fiber reaction, rather then Morgellons.
    Every one is trying to name this as a disease!
    It is a reaction!

  331. Okay, then, Betsy, you consider yourself to be in a position to, what, rename an allergy? You’ve narrowed things down and found what you’re allergic to, so what is the problem?

  332. There is no probelm, I just think what people are calling all the symptoms is not and should not be called a disease, but rather a reaction.

    It is not an allergy!
    Far from it!

  333. Betsy, what do you mean by “reaction”, if you aren’t referring to an allergic reaction to the clothing that you’ve said triggers, what, now, isn’t even a problem? You wear cotton, and then, what happens to you?

  334. Reaction to the chemicals in “Round Up” pesticides.
    No, not cotton clothing, but to a pesticide in GM cotton.
    This is not an allergy.

  335. This is from my Morgellons website:

    Betsy’s Blog

    Welcome, if you have arrived at this website, you must be searching for answers and support. This site has been created for those of you who have Morgellons symptoms and live in Maine or a surrounding state.

    Morgellons is something I had never heard of before June of 2007. Now, I find myself in the enigma of the many symptoms caused by this “mystery”.

    I live in Maine with my extended family of 10. My husband, of 36 years, is retired. I do not work out of the home. I did enjoy genealogy searching and photo restoration for others before I contracted Morgellons. Sadly, I no longer have the attention span.

    I have found trying to locate “interested” physicians in Maine very difficult. Having the “Morgellons itch”, adding to the daily frustration caused by this mystery, only adds further stress. Flying off to the Western or Southern states to see “this physician and that physician” is just not an option for me, as it is not for many families.

    There is so much information on the Internet regarding GM (Genetically Modified) cotton and the “birth” of this product. Mutating the cottonseed as GM cotton allows a pest- free harvest. You will read on the Internet that Monsanto offered this proposal to the USDA.

    I have sprayed myself every day since last January with an after bath spray that contains a cotton fragrance. Because this is a new product, I believe this fragrance may be made from GM cottonseed oils. Unknowingly, I have been spraying myself with the chemicals that are in the “Round Up” pesticide!

    After many hours of doing my own research, I have learned that perhaps naming Morgellons a “disease” is not really appropriate. I believe what we are suffering from is a horrible **reaction**. In my case, I think I am having a reaction to GM cotton.

    It has been observed that “most” people who have Morgellons symptoms also have Fibromyalgia. A compromised immune system reacts differently to this pesticide use (either eaten as cottonseed oils in food or topically as in my case).

    I have been to our family medical caregiver as well as a local and well know dermatologist. My “out of pocket payment” to the dermatologist visit and my visit to our family care office ended with a diagnosis of: ” Delusional”…” Neurotic Dermatitis”…”a nervous picking problem”… “Excoriations”…

    I was then advised to see a psychiatrist.

    If you have Morgellons symptoms, you are most likely not surprised…this seems to be the “normal” diagnosis.

    I have no idea if Morgellons is a permanent affliction; I have only had symptoms for about 8 months. I do know there is no cure or “tried and true” treatment.

    **Morgellons is not just a skin problem!**

    I have the following symptoms (many of the these symptoms have also been reported nationwide):

    Swollen hands and feet
    Systemic itching
    Multi-colored fibers in lesions and unbroken skin
    Fiber “point” to pain (As the fibers pop out through the skin’s surface)
    Gastrointestinal problems
    Hair loss
    Lack of appetite
    Sleeping problems
    Brain fog
    Headache
    Sore throat
    Eyesight difficulties
    Muscle and joint pain
    Inattention/lack of concentration
    Irritability (This seems to be a universal symptom…Hmmm, I wonder why????)
    I am inviting all of you who find them selves in this category to join me on this site. I would appreciate your thoughts, stories and suggestions. “Talking” to others who are experiencing the same symptoms certainly helps!

    I would love to hear from you. You may leave a comment, question or suggestion, or just a simple “Hi”! All posts are subject to approval by the moderator, of course! There are websites that try to debunk and argue with people who have these symptoms; this site is not meant for that!

    Betsy in Maine

  336. All right, Betsy. Thank you. But, not unlike those of us who are allergy sufferers, you’ve been able to ferret out the specific trigger that you get a “reaction” from, and avoid contact. Is that correct?

  337. The reaction I have from these pesticides is unlike an allergy.
    The protein pesticide that is in GM cotton is apparent with those with a compromised immune.

    A systemic reaction is the result and includes lesions and fibers.
    If you stay away from a food, etc. that one is allergic to , the allergic reation goes away.
    In my case as well as the many others with Morgellons, the systemic reaction does not go away and stays in the blood stream, due to the protein pesticide.

  338. Betsy, I appreciate your answers.

    Where you said:

    In my case as well as the many others with Morgellons, the systemic reaction does not go away and stays in the blood stream, due to the protein pesticide.

    Where did you meet with these many others with Morgellons, and who ran the tests on all of you to prove that?

  339. I’m sorry, Betsy. I had completely missed your comment #342. After reading it, I’d like to encourage you again, as I’d suggested once or twice, to review your initial comment #246, and read downward, to the present, seeing if you can spot any inconsistencies in your statements. Without a doubt, if you were able to accept what you’ve called, “the ‘normal’ diagnosis” “if you have morgellons symptoms”, you could treat it. Everyone could. You’re unable to carry on a normal conversation because of your untreated illness, and you’re influencing others as they have influenced you. Maybe you think I’m being mean. I’m not. As I’d said, review your statements. I tried conversing with you with genuine concern and you’d said you hoped that I rotted in hell with TC. You’ve got what several doctors diagnosed you with.

  340. No. I have learned much since I first started commenting on this blog..
    A blog is only the opinion of others, not necessarily facts.

    My website does not give just uneducated opinions, but facts.
    Period.

  341. Betsy, it is your life. You didn’t seem too far into this, at first, but have plunged yourself in quickly. You hadn’t revealed you’d been diagnosed with delusions, earlier, and it’s pointless for me, or anyone, to try reasoning with someone who’s ignored their doctors’ diagnoses. I’ve never experienced people doing this before, because there’s never been a patient movement (“revolt”) like this before. For all I know, you may see it as a good thing, to walk away from legitimate diagnoses, finding other patients in the news, and on the web, who have done the same, all wading around deeply inside their delusional thinking. This all leads to a worsening of those thoughts, as well as to a worsening of the underlying conditions that have caused psychosis in the first place.

    With what you, and others, have been misled into choosing to assign to yourselves as having, whether it be “morgellons”, “the fiber disease”, “body bugs”, “a GM pesticide reaction”, etc., it all has nothing in common with anyone else, other than the sharing of the thought processes that untreated psychosis produces. That sharing spawns a whole lot more, in turn, as lots of patients swap dangerous recipes for disaster. “Self diagnosis”, and “self treatment”, has no place in the hands of people so ill as this.

    Predators, who know that all anyone with psychosis wants is for someone to agree with their delusional thoughts, are capitalizing on your fears. The internet’s as dangerous for patients like this as it is for children. None of your individual illnesses have any relationship to each other, other than the incorrectness in the thoughts that you won’t, or can’t, treat. There’s a 50/50 chance that the reason the so-called “doctors” and “researchers” in this mess talk-the-talk is because they’re as mentally ill as many of the patients. Those predators have ignored facts and designed a lucrative business out of taking advantage of patients’ fears and sufferings. They need to keep on feeding you all a load of bullshit, to keep you coming back for more, as they know all such patients as this will continue to, as long as they talk-the-talk. I’d like them all behind bars for doing this to you.

    Your increased list of symptoms, alone, from when you’d first commented here, Betsy, “should” indicate to you that you’ve worsened in a short amount of time. That is to be expected when one ignores their doctor, only wanting them to go along with them and tell them what they want to hear. Occasionally, while trying to make some sense out of what this group of patients you’ve chosen to affiliate yourself with wants, I almost start to think that many of them mean to be wishing for alternative treatments for severe mental illnesses. That is ridiculous, though, I quickly tell myself, piecing this all together again.

    Do you know what you want from life, and all this, Betsy? Is it that you’re after the company who made your after bath spray?

  342. No of course not.
    That would b e ridiculous, why would you even think that!
    I am following the suggestions of the Internet Morgellons support group I have joined.

    Benadryl seems to help with the systemic itch caused by my fibers.
    Using salt water and peroxide baths help also!

  343. “Your increased list of symptoms, alone, from when you’d first commented here, Betsy, “should” indicate to you that you’ve worsened in a short amount of time???.”

  344. I have put a few of my Morgellons videos on youtube.
    They can be seen under my username;
    mainemorgellons

  345. Betsy, maybe since you haven’t been on the block long enough, you don’t know that the group of “morgellons disease” patients contemplate a lot of unfounded lawsuits. Excuse me, but your claim, plus that common theme, is why I’d asked if you possibly wanted the fragrance manufacturer to be accountable for what you think has happened to you. I’m glad you know it is ridiculous, but your idea is so outlandish, and incorrect, that I didn’t think you would realize that.

    I have sprayed myself every day since last January with an after bath spray that contains a cotton fragrance. Because this is a new product, I believe this fragrance may be made from GM cottonseed oils. Unknowingly, I have been spraying myself with the chemicals that are in the “Round Up” pesticide!

    Some patients seem to expect to sue Monsanto over their ideas of what’s wrong with them.

    I’m sorry, William. If you wondered why I’d said what you quoted me as saying, you can find it in comments 250 & 256, and compare it to comment #342.

    I hope you get what you’re after, Betsy.

  346. I’m not “after” anything.
    People who may believe this, are in for a long ride with no end!

    I have been on the block enough to know what symptoms I have and the systemic pain I now am feeling.
    Anyone who didn’t understand this would be the “Village Idiot”,

    The is no compensation,for a reaction to what might be..
    You can not sue on speculation..
    A suit?
    No, dear that is ridiculous!

  347. I only learned today that MRSAMAN was my son. I made this last post to him on his 33rd birthday.
    He died last Monday, Sept.24th by suicide.
    I hate this site..
    Betsy

    Betsy Says:
    September 6th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
    MRSAMAN:
    I do know what MRSA is, our son has had 9 boughts of hospital stays in 21 months.
    Each time he goes back they give him just enoght Vancomycin(sp?)via a PICC line to give the appearance he is better. They send him home and then it starts all over agin..
    He has had infections in his PICC line!
    He had knee surgery and a spinal tap, they don’t know which may have casued this horrible staph infection.
    So much for TEXAS hsopitals!!!
    This “Super Bug” as it is called is just horrible!
    Anyone who has this is in a great deal of pain with only a few options for treatment.
    Once you have MRSA, you are never free of the antibiotic resistant bacteria.
    Even a slight cut can bring on a life threatening experience.
    I do know fisrt hand what MRSA is…
    Betsy

  348. I have made a memorial page for our son.
    He left this world on Sept. 24 (in Texas).
    Becasue I have Morgellons and was unable to fly from Maine to attend his funeral,I made this page for him.
    Unknowlingly, I bantered with MRSAMAN, as you can see..
    He was our only son.
    I hate this Morgellons Watch site.

    http://jayson-roche.memory-of.com:80/

  349. Betsy (and everyone else):
    post of August 14 by MRSA MAN–your own son–should tell you how he felt about your “condition”

  350. If any of you would like to see my Morgellons videos, the link is below.
    To respond to your last post SAXET, the comments that pertained to this have been removed.. Hmmm..
    You see, my son MRSAMAN, came to this site without my knowledge, thus I responded to MRSAMAN.
    His comments here were really not what he believed.
    He was so very sick and died Sept.2th after an overdose of his beta blockers.. again as I had said before (it was removed) I hate this site.

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mainemorgellons

  351. Betsy, some recent comments were lost when the site was modified a few days ago, I have restored your comments from a backup, so there is correct context (see above). Please let me know if there is anything else missing.

  352. I miss our son terribly.
    He suffered with MRSA,blood clots and bad physicians in Texas.
    Thank you for reivising this blog.
    Here is a memory page link I made for him…

    http://jayson-roche.memory-of.com:80/

  353. Betsy,

    If you hate this site so much, what are you doing here?
    Which of your son’s illnesses would account for him saying things he didn’t mean? That is, “if” your claim is true.

    Tall Cotton

  354. He suffered from a mental illnes, thus the suicide.
    The days he entered comments, were most likely ones when he was full of pain meds. it was during those times that he had difficulties.
    You have no reason to try to dispute me: “if” my claim is true. My son is dead…

  355. I don’t think that pain medicine would cause that. He sounded like he meant what he said, and he seemed to understand the situation quite well. In fact, he seemed to be speaking directly to you. I’m sorry that your son is gone, but I don’t think that we should make it into something it isn’t.

    Tall Cotton

  356. You donj’t know anything about my son…he had a history of mental illness, had been the pysciatric hostpital 3 thies in 18 months, was on high doses of opiate drugs.
    He often mixed his meds. the result was his demise.
    He would call us in the middle of the night and talk… about nothing..just as he did here…
    You can all go straight to Hell…

  357. Oh, I suppose you will remove my last post, just as you have done in the past…

  358. Betsy, you other posts were removed by accident during site maintenance, and have been put back. You can see them if you scroll up the page, or click here:

    http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/04/11/fibers-are-everywhere/#comment-13950

    Let me know if anything is missing.

  359. Tall-

    Better question is why are you here ALL the time?

  360. what a sad parody.
    betsy my heart goes out to you.
    Smily, Tall, the void awaits.

  361. I KNOW WHAT IS CAUSING MORGELLONS DISEASE. FIND INFORMATION ON WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE OF MARYLAND. THEY CLOSED DOWN THE RIVER BECAUSE THE FISH HAD LESIONS, THE PEOPLE HAD ALL THE MORGELLONS SIGNS, AND WHAT REALLY MADE ME SIT UP WAS THEY HAD DEGENERATION ON THE SPINE AND MEMORY LOSS, WHAT I AM EXPERIENCING AS WELL AS THE UNHEALING, BUGGY SORES ON MY ARMS. THE SATELITE CAN SHOW THE GREEN SLIMY WATERS ALL AROUND THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING AFFECTED, IT IS FROM MUCK, SEWAGE, WASTE CHEMICALS FROM OUR OWN FECIECES. THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT FOR DUMPING THIS SHIT WHERE WE EAT AND SWIM THAT IS MY FINAL ANSWER!!!

  362. Hello, Kathleen. I’m sorry you’re so ill. Have you told your doctor about these things that you’ve stated?

  363. Sorry to interrupt you Kathleen, but I feel this post belongs under “Fibers.” Get well soon.

    Thanks to “Michael” for posting so much well thought-out information, and for not diving into any “Does not! / Does too!” arguments (that I have seen… but it’s just been too damned many of them here). — And also for writing with an enchanting light touch of dark humor (which I may or may not be imagining, but I like it all the same).

    As far as I care, Delusions Of Parasitosis and Delusions Of Antiparasitosis can both rot. No offense anyone. All I want is cold, hard, solutions…

    I had a little battle with Something Or Another after finding a mild infestation in a severely difficult area; fleas, and then spiders, who moved in to eat them, I assume. Since the fleas wanted me, and the spiders wanted fleas, we all got messed up, but I’m pretty sure I won, although not unscathed; I was hit with two transient ischemic attacks (different days, but each was still good for about two hours of partial blindness in one eye and paralysis on one side).

    This is a symptom of Morgellan’s Array of Diseases, as well as of black widow bites. I also found a few long black hairs(?) very far from where they ought’ve been on me, as far as my wrists. They didn’t match, so I pulled them.. And pulled them.. At about 2″ they stopped coming out of the skin like a magician’s handkerchief trick, and that was end of it. I’m pretty sure they weren’t mine, because they were too thin to even be pet cat hairs, and had much less tensile (tension?) strength than human or cat hair.

    I did notice some severe fatigue and unusual foggy-mindedness for a couple days after the exasperating extermination efforts (in which I applied a few foggers, Borax, then some glue traps to assure the deed was done — nothing extreme which would cause problems for me in the future). I was also experiencing continued bites with INCREASING intensity of pain per bite, and a rising frequency, yet the place was definitely flea-free; these small cat fleas were hard to see, but easy to *hear,* and I didn’t hear any soft ticking noises before the “bites” anymore.

    Soaked, washed hair, treated bites. I noticed that one extra nasty spider hickey seemed to have included a definitely foreign object. I had heard of Morgellan’s symptoms (knew nothing else), and decided that neurotic or not, I was going to excoriate the snot out of it just to make sure.

    Tin foil hats at the ready? Okay. Something flew out of the wound. Yes, I was rested, and had taken my vitamins and ate my vegetables. It looked like a big speck of dust, or maybe a white colored (or white winged?) fruit fly or gnat, but it could *move.* Maybe even as fast as one of those agile small-ish houseflies which are difficult to swat… Of course I was shaken silly and stared dumb at it while it flew over my right ear (audible noise, higher pitch than a mosquito). As I shook the shakenness off and began to turn my head, I felt that stinging “bite” sensation on the side of my head, plus some acute squirming (not like the “Seaweed Waving Around In The Blood Under My Skin” feeling, which I experienced for a brief time many years ago).

    And so it’s been ever since. I think I have them close to the end now, thanks to covering as much of my skin as possible. Here’s why it’s going in “Fibers:”

    How could a small parasitic insect *fly* out of a wound? They don’t exist in the first place, since the species matching “flying parasitic” which are naturally found in North America don’t meet the criterea of white color, and no macrobiotic insect could possibly live in that environment of immunodefended liquids and enveloping epidermis.

    It’s hard to admit, but the horrible little things will actually *build* themselves a doorway of sorts out of cotton fibers (or whatever else they can get, but cotton’s prolific in human habitats). Q-Tips (for cleaning my broken computer, not for intravenous injection, mind you all) left out overnight where I sleep have gained raggedly frayed appearances… And the “cocoons” (not cocoons) are *mostly* under the surface of the skin.

    Any information on the thing’s real name? I’ve heard of people aquiring them through clothing made in China in a few cases. I’ve heard the name “cloth flea,” which would make it the only flea with non-vestigial wings.

    Any ideas?

    It’s not a North American species. From what little I can find, it’s Euro/Asian.

  364. Envirogirl, I think you might have just hit the nail on the head, the question is, why are they not doing something about it?

  365. What a terrible flame war. The important thing is to go to a doctor and describe objective symptoms and concerns. Take pictures, collect phlegm if you have to, but be objective.

    Whether or not this is a disease is kind of silly. What is more important is, rather than framing a collection of symptoms in one or another particular light, show them to a doctor and ask for treatment.

    OK. I’m done forever.

    Good luck everybody, and get well if you can.

  366. I agree with you Frank. The problem is that by encouraging patients to interpret finding fibers as being a symptoms of a particular disease, the Morgellons advocates are dissuading patients from doing what you suggest.

  367. Shouldn’t this discussion be dead by now, its 2008 and, its pretty stupid going on a charade with this kind of people. Theres a lot of evidenced about morgellons, what a pathetic way of convincing people that its a delusion. Hope all people who has this gets well.

  368. On the topic of the fibers… http://members.cox.net/llyee/ncs_overview/overview_neuro-cutaneous_syndrome_revA.html

    The fibers found off the open sores are of two types, textile and non-textile fibers. The textile fibers are of clothing or bedding sources and are often used by arthropod opportunistic infections as nesting material. The non-textile fibers are usually the mycelia of such opportunistic Mycetome fungi infections as Madurella spp. with the “black specks” being possibly their mycelial masses. The healing of some patients’ sores was observed to be correlated with the exit of remaining fibers from the lesions.5 Other fungi and bacterial infections indentified from swabs taken from patients’ open sores included Staphylocci, e.g., Staphylococcus aureus and S. haemolytica; Actinomycetes, e.g., Streptomyces spp., yeast, e.g., Candida albicans, and Enterobacteriaceae, e.g., Klebsiella sp.2,4 opportunistic infections with these organisms have been shown to aggravate the cutaneous symptoms of NCS patients.3

  369. Morgellons is a real disease. There are fibers taken as samples from these people’s wounds and a major study is underway that is endorsed by the CDC. No causal links have been established at this point, but it seems that there are unique symptoms that some morgellon’s victims suffer. Many others have mysterious ailments with some similar symptoms to morgellon’s but when these are filtered out, morgellon’s still remains as a unique disorder.

    The only treatment under investigation at this time seems to be a form of colloidal silver, Nutra silver I believe is it’s name. No firm proof has been established as to it’s effectiveness, but it seems to be the best option so far.

    I believe it must work similar to chemotherapy, destroying malignant cells that are causing these eruptions. But then again, it could just kill bacteria, or fungi that are dwelling just under the surface.

  370. Morgellon is real. Those that don’t believe should not be responding. Problem solving entails collectiing all available data, sorting and looking for a source. Once the source is found, then look for a cure.

    As a beginning, I have observed the fish “talapia” with multi colored strands, easily visable because they are filleted. Most of this fish was from Southeast Asia. However, I’ve just recently found talapia from “Equador” that did not have the multi colored single fibers.

    If there is someone out there with Morgellon, that do not eat fish, please respond.
    If there is someone that eats corn that have Morgellon, please respond because the multi colored fibers found in the talapia are very similar to the silk found on new corn.

    I know nothing but at least we should try to solve the problem with logic and elimination. CDC says it “a byproduct of a biological organism”

  371. Lee, perhaps you can reconsider your expectations of dictating to people like you just did, on someone else’s blog, and expecting their compliance. I think you may have missed that this a blog that clearly states that it’s for skeptical analysis and discussion.

    With all due respect, Lee, the CDC did not say it “a byproduct of a biological organism”.

    Now, onto some of the things you report as being part of your studies. With your being a scientist, I’m sure that you can appreciate my questions. First of all, talapia is plentifully raised in the US. Where are you doing your experiments, and what sort of degree do you have to study fish? Are you traveling to Asia to get the fish that you look at? Did you go to “Equador” to collect fish for comparison in your experiments? Why are you studying talapia?

    In conclusion, I realize that you also included that you don’t know anything, and feel that we should try to solve the problem with logic and elimination. So, can you explain why you’ve gotten on the internet and made such statements as you have? Because, there are a lot of patients with various compromises to their abilities to reason, who will believe that you really are some sort of an expert in talapia studies, possessing factual knowledge, and they will try to tie this all into their numerous misunderstandings.

    The best solution for a person having health matters they can’t deal with, is through the appointment of a health care advocate, to intervene and help guide them to better health.

  372. Lee,

    Members of the Morgellons community are abusing their children. This fact has been proved and revealed in video and in the testimonies of Morgie parents. They are also abusing their spouses and killing their pets by neglecting and mistreating them. The belief in Morgellons, and the obsession with it, is destroying relationships and ruining people financially. Morgellons disease is a deception. Although the Morgies have other, real, health concerns, there is no such thing as Morgellons. Quack researchers and doctors are exploiting vulnerable patients and robbing them of their money. The Morgellons movement has to stop. The CDC knows that the Morgellons patients are delusional. They’ve always known that.

    The big problem is the question of how to get the Morgellons patients to treat their mental illness. Do you want to go back to the days of widespread mental institutions? The Morgies are begging for the old abusive system to be reinstated. As one of my friends stated, “The Morgies are ‘Round-up Ready’”. Hopefully it doesn’t have to come to that, but if the Morgies continue to leave this destructive path behind them, that may be the only way to deal with it. If anyone has the right to share what they know, don’t you think it should be those who, in fact, know what they are talking about. No, Morgellons is NOT real, but the abuse is.

    Tall Cotton

  373. Help ! Tall Cotton- somebody !! Ive been lost in the darkness and horrors of the Morgellons alone. The pain, burning eaten alive is hell. The itching, boils, strings, larvea, and burning has me frantic.Panic attacks, meds not working, washing frantically…took a scrub brush and scrubbed like there was no tomorrow,STOP, GO AWAY, GOD HELP ME IM ALL ALONE WHAT IS IT????? The ointments burned my eyes up to near blind. Its in my eyes, holes in the bell of my ears, the canal is closing shut, fire engine red sticking to my pillow and covers.I cant breathe and feel like Im having another stroke, T.I.A.S whoa this is worse than the accident and 20 plus surgeries. Thinkin Im gonna be put in a place where lepers go I call my x sister in law she gives me a place to look on the ole p.c. about MOREGELLOW or whatever, I have this and their gonna think Im delusinal????nutz, insane no way its real! Drs. say well its not alive, then sent to the dermetology Dr. use this your test are fine put this on spots and see ya in 6 weeks. Ive been bedridden near totally again since late Sept…… the night hits and boom it fires up like my hot-rod. Im burning going wild cant sleep, dont dare get wet its tickin my body off. The neighbor brings me herbal cleanse, oh now my pancreas whats left 1/3 ! Im sick 5ft. 7 and weigh 94lbs. in 3 days lost 5 lbs. and Ive worked so hard to gain this weight…..God hates me….weak as a drownding cat, cant eat gotta rest… this is killin me, then its quiet awhile theres 78 spots on the top of one thigh and it started as a rash zig-zagging.I was putting ointment on and just happened to start counting, dont know why must be at least 200 spots I can see, boils raising weird stuff coming out getting weider every passing moment, day fewwwww. Yeah the lil toe headed gal is pretty freaked out. Couldnt make it to Drs. because my toes are so infected,fingers, pus, black tiny pepper spots, blisters, strings, garbage things, cocoons, oval white ???blood, mucous, threads, nail beds cracked crumbling, sticks like wood, hands sweaty, cold as heck then burnin up, creepy x-files stuff,gotta get it off of me …..ugh! I feel them push threw my skin and glass strings poppin out when I stand, from the pressure on my feet and Im having aweful side effects from the ointment and keep this on 12 hrs.? I was just barely 2 hrs. with it on and I dropped to my knees.Do I call 911 or….???? I got to get to water first or Im surely gonna die and get this crap off of me.I could taste it, smell it, I was passing out. Slowly as I loathed and rolled in the tub of water, fumes choaking me, skin taring like fine paper in effected areas finally I could turn the shower on and stand…but dont close my eyes or I was gonna bust my fanny and break more bones. What an ordeal. Anyway my boy p.c tech. gets on here and I find all this info. and here I am……. is this a sick joke or what, like I said HELP someone talk to me. I caught sight of Tall Cotton and started reading…. oh I must amoungst company I FEEL SAFE. Now Im not alone or the lone ranger. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS??????????????? the sun has gone down and about soon it may fire up sometimes a day will go by with total coma sleeping I get so exhausted. Whats gonna happen from here on out. Is this a life sentence or what????? I NEED FEEDBACK. PANT,PANT, PANT, SWEET PEA IS DISTRESSED

  374. I after coming here with this for real condition I went back and starting calmly and began to read. I am not a mental basket case. I thought this was a place to gain info. and sadly mistaken by Tall Cottons anology, your wrong dude. I was exposed to and bitten like needle sticks 3 days later I started having symptoms typical of scabies, mites. I was also bit by spiders, its very wet here and marshy and was bedridden from a heat stroke this past summer I fell flat to the ground and hurt my already broken neck sholder and back. While in bed all that time 7-8 weeks is when it started and the kids living here had lice and scabies. It went through this complex and schools. The kids love me and always were hanging around for treats and wanting to help me being disabled they watched me struggle to drag a few groceries in. The schools sent kids home and parents got them to the Drs. and cleared up. I have 4 stages of larvea that seeped out of boils it started with blisters so I coal tar washed myself routinely GONE……then boom this condition started and got out of control so I went to Drs. that saved my life several times and found an over looked broken neck after 4 yrs. no one believed me that my neck was killing me but this new Dr. of 18-20 yrs. gave me the benefit of the doubt and did a myelogram yep 3-5 broken and bone tore threw spinal cord leaking fluid to my brain and after that still in pain found the broken sholder exellent Med. Specialist. When he saw me with this developing I took what came out of boils for him to examine its dead and then sent he me to dermetologist. Reports came back o.k but!!!!! I still have this condition that persists and saw a tv program and said and showed the exact thing and the folks that had it in Okla. only difference is the fibers do crumble where as the ones on tv said they didnt burn even. Lee is correct, Tall you must be a Dr. ha ha cold caloused one at that. Ive read alot here and my heart goes out to all of us afflicted and I really appreciate being able to read every ones comments, stories and my prayers are sent to ya all but the sceptics. This place is a zone where we can learn about the Moregies and find comfort in dealing with misfortune and learn to help ourselves and bodies. I someone comes back so I can better my situation cause whinning confusion from fighting this is hell. I see why no ones been here in a while…..the sceptics are like alcohol on those sores and Ive learned alot by dropping in thanks for the sharing, its helped hearing everyones story/reality. God Bless and we all will make it through this and Ive done it alone this long I can survive this hell also and it to will be a new day tomorrow to start over stronger fighting to win the battle.

  375. Sweet Pea, I’m sorry, Tall Cotton is asleep.

    You’re at least cognizant enough to know that you’re so seriously ill that you can’t think correctly, but you already know the answer to your question as to whether you need to call 911.

    Call 911. Strokes kill people. Make sure you supply them with a list of the meds you’re taking, prescription, non-prescription, and any vitamin, mineral, or herbal supplements, as well as topical meds. Tell them what your neighbor gave you, too. Good luck, and know that God does not hate you.

    Smileykins

  376. You’ve really upset me, girl.

  377. Sweet Pea,

    I’m very sorry to hear that you are in so much misery. This is not a Morgellons support forum. It was designed to discuss whether or not Morgellons is a distinct disease, and the evidence strongly indicates that it is not. People who think they have Morgellons disease actually have other health issues, and in many cases they have a combination of problems.

    I can’t offer you much advice except that you listen to your doctor and follow his directions. Despite the fact that most people who think they have Morgellons disease think that their doctors are morons, they are not. Stick with a good doctor and in time he or she should be able to isolate your particular problems. Morgellons suffers have real health problems, but there is no such thing as Morgellons. In my very strong opinion the Morgellons support forums are extremely dangerous and should be avoided. Those people will most definitely lead you astray.

    Meanwhile, it is very important that you eat well and drink plenty of water. I know that you are under an incredible amount of stress, but it is important that you try very hard to keep your mind occupied with things that are less stressful. Do not ingest or put toxic substances on your skin.

    I don’t know whether you are delusional or not, and what I think about that matter isn’t important. What you need to focus on is following your doctor’s advice and don’t worry about what other people think. Your health comes first.

    I’m sorry I can’t do more, but I wish you the very best. Please remember this. Accurate communication with your doctor is very important. Don’t be afraid to tell him about everything you are experiencing.

    tallcotton

  378. So finally let me inject some facts into the thread. In very short.
    Dr Wymore has sent the Morg fibers to the Police and FBI forensic labs.
    With one type of machine it did not match any of the fibers in the FBI database of all and any fibers. (There were different groups of these materials I am just not going into details.
    Then they wanted to do some laser spectroscope analisys, to identify the molecules, but the thing did not vaporize at the top temperatore of the device so they have not been able to do that yet. However there has not been any other carbon based material that would not evaporate at 700 degrees… Ever. That would include your stupid carpets too.
    Just read.

  379. George, the most likely explanation for that is that this particular fiber was something fiberglass, which the machine would not have been able to melt, and hence it could not analyze.

    There was no evidence it was carbon based, however inorganic carbon fibers actually have a melting point of over 2000C.

    The fibers were NOT examined by the FBI, it was done at the local Tulsa police department, as part of the production of an ABC TV show.

    Note that this test has never been repeated, and lots of other different fibers have been found which have been identified, and which do melt and burn at low temperature.

  380. I AM A VERY EDUCATED MEDICAL WORKER.I HAVE FIBROMYALGIA WHICH IS A AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE. I CAME DOWN WITH THE SYMPTOMS THAT I HAVE READ FROM SO MANY SUFFERERS MANY MONTHS AGO.MY HUSBAND AND FAMILY THOUGHT I WAS DELUSIONAL ALSO.THEN MY HUSBAND,AND NEXT MY SON STARTED WITH THE SAME EXACT SYMPTOMS.MY HUSBAND AND FAMILY FEEL VERY GUILTY THEY JUDGED ME,AFTER MY WHOLE FAMILY CAME DOWN WITH EXACT SYMPTOMS.I HAVE A VERY CLOSE FRIEND THAT IS A WELL KNOWN PHYSCIATRIST,AND I HOPE THAT IF ANYONE COULD DIAGNOSE MENTAL PROBLEMS HE COULD.AND I AM IN THE MEDICAL FIELD AS WELL.

    THERE IS NO MENTAL PROBLEMS WITH EVERYONE SUFFERING WITH THIS.DONT LET ANYONE TELL YOU THERE ARE.COMMON SENSE SHOULD TELL ALL PEOPLE THAT DOUBT THIS,HOW CAN SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE EXACT SYMPTOMS,THAT HAVE NEVER EVEN RESEARCHED MORGELLONS,BUT KNOW SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG,AND IS AS I SAY ( HELL ON EARTH) AS MY FATHER TAUGHT ME,DONT JUDGE SOMEONE UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES.BELIEVE ME,IF SOMEONE TOLD ME THE THINGS I HAVE SEEN AND FELT WITH MYSELF AND MY FAMILY,I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY MAY NEED MENTAL HELP ALSO.

    IT IS VERY HARD TO BELIEVE,BUT IT IS REAL. AS I TOLD MY HUSBAND,I WOULD NOT WISH THIS ON MY WORST ENEMY.EVEN THOUGH HE WAS GUILTY OF DOUBTING ME,UNTIL HE AND MY SON BEGAN LATER WITH SAME SYMPTOMS.THE THING THAT HURT ME THE MOST,EVEN WITH THE PAIN YOU GO THROUGH WITH THIS,IS WE NEED HELP FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND THEY MAKE YOU FEEL WORSE THAN YOU ALREADY DO,WHEN YOU NEED THEM MOST.

    I HOPE THAT EVERYONE THAT DOESNT BELIEVE,IS SHOWN THE TRUTH,AND HELP INSTEAD OF JUDGE. EVERYONE SUFFERING FROM THIS,GO TO A INTERNAL DISEASE SPECIALIST THAT HAS SEEN THIS BEFORE IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

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