Apr 11 2006
Fibers are Everywhere
Right now you are surrounded by billions of fibers.
This is perfectly natural, since fibers are everywhere. But if you think you might have a fiber disease such as Morgellons, then you need to able to distinguish normal fibers from fibers that are part of the disease.
Here’s a quick experiment. Turn your monitor off for a second and look at the screen. Covered with dust right? Look closer (get a magnifying glass if you have one), you will see the dust is mainly comprised of tiny fibers, about 1/16th of an inch long (1mm or so).
Where do they come from?
The biggest sources of fibers in the home are paper products and clothing.
Paper products are things like facial tissues, toilet tissue and paper. Paper is actually MADE from fibers. When you tear paper, the edges look like this (60x magnification):
That’s just regular letter sized paper, the kind you use in your printer. Paper is actually made of millions of fibers!
Here’s the same piece of paper at 200x
Those are some pretty serious fibers. Tiny though, only about 20 microns in diameter. They are visible to the naked eye if you have good eyesight.
Another common paper product is facial tissues such as Kleenex. Here’s some Kleenex at 60x:
See it’s just like paper, made from millions of fibers - the fibers are just more spaced out to make it softer.
All paper products are basically the same, made entirely from cellulose fibers (extracted from wood).
What about clothes?
When you wash your clothes and dry them in the dryer, some of the fibers in the clothes come off, and that’s what makes the lint. If you look at lint under a microscope, it looks like this:
You can see it’s made from all different kinds of fibers, all different colors. Both from the clothes that were in the dryer, and other fibers the clothes might have picked up as you wore them, perhaps in contact with other clothes, or the clothes of other people you touched, or off furniture.
When paper, clothing or furniture shed fibers, the tiny fibers float around in the air and land on surfaces. Often they will land on you. If you take a fresh post-it pad and dab the sticky part over your face a few times, you will find it get quite a few fibers on it. Like this (10x):
Here’s a close-up (60x):
Not many, but I bet you did not think there were any fiber on your face, eh?
So, all these fibers flying everywhere from natural sources. If they touch something soft, they stick to it. So you tend to always find a few embedded in (and under) scabs or any mucus-like stuff you have one your body. Like this:
Notice how the fibers here are just the same as the lint in the dryer. This indicates they are probably fibers from clothing. Paper fibers are probably there as well, just a bit harder to see.
What can we conclude?
There are lots of fibers on every surface and floating around in the air. This is not a bad thing, as the fibers are just paper or clothing fibers. The fibers will get on your skin, and get inside any damp lesion.
It’s almost impossible NOT to find fibers on your skin. Everyone has them, just most people don’t notice them, since they don’t look closely enough.
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You are a moron.
The fibres emerge FROM THE SKIN
of Morgellons sufferers. Until you
have seen it happen with your own
eyes then SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Well, sebum plugs emerge from the skin - I saw that happen with my own eyes, from my own skin, when teatree oil was applied.
I’ve also collected fibers off my own skin. I did not see them come out of my skin though.
I’ve also seen fibers all round, on every surface, and in the air.
And that’s what I’m talking about, stuff that I’ve seen with my own eyes.
Hi,
I’ve watched many transparent, hair-like fibers jettison out of my skin during times when I was highly infected. These fibers shot out several inches in length, and stood as if they were hairs.
They have a strength comparable to that of a human hair, but I don’t believe they are. In my opinion they formed as a liquid flowed through the pore and solidified as it hit the air.
Tall Cotton
Tall, have you considered how you might demonstrate this phenomenon to other people? Any way it could be captured on film or video?
Also, Tall - I have to question “several inches” that implies at least two inches (about the length of your thumb), which should be easily visible to your doctor. Do other people see these things on you?
Anonymous, you better check yourself, coming on here and telling this fine person what you did.
“I”, for one, have “seen it happen with my own eyes”.
Now, talk to “ME”.
Michael,
I suppose I could have demonstrated the phenomenon with the use of my webcam. I have, however, recovered from what I once called Morgellons. All I can do at this point is describe what happened.
This phenomenon occurred several times, and there was never a question of it having been my eyes playing tricks on me. It happened at times when my symptoms were most severe. The skin on my face was infected and somewhat swollen.
At first, I had no way of knowing exactly when the phenomen would occur, but I eventually realized that it usually happened just after washing my face, moreso it I rubbed triple antibiotic cream into my skin.
I finally came to the conclusion that I was partially disolving, and dislodging sebum plugs from hair follicles, allowing a pressurized liquid to be extruded from the pores.
The longest of these hair-like fibers was approximately 5 inches in length. Most were only about 2 inches long. They were about the same diameter as the hair on my head. They were always transparent.
I don’t know whether or not the follicular walls were ruptured or not, allowing the release of sebum, dead wall cells, cholesterol, propionibacteria acnes, etc. to move out under the skin and build up, and later be extruded, or whether the swelling was merely within the follicles. The whole lower half of my face would become swollen, but I never had any pimples.
The infection on my face originally began, however, when I picked several blackheads after having a long standing sinus infection. I had bright red spots all over the lower part of my face the morning after I picked the blackheads.
I have been without symptoms now for over a year and a half now, for the most part, with the exception of having powdery dry sebum. This is possible due to general dehydration. I do drink very large amounts of caffeinated cola.
Tall Cotton
Oh you sticks, you stones,
You worse than senseless things
Aliens. It’s all being done by aliens.
A true fact. Documentation (like our friend Carrie’s “factual documentation” for which I am waiting still with abated breath).
In the Free New Mexican there was a story about how a Morgellons sufferer had a fiber that grew three feet long in a petri dish.
Seriously, they didn’t save it? They didn’t think to take a picture? What did they do, throw it away?
“Factual evidence.” Right.
these have been verified by dermatologists. the origin is from the middle east. it started when troops came back from iraq (desert storm) it since has spread to all 50 states. and the u.k. some alternative meds work well treating it ,if caught early. such as oregano oil, olive leaf extract, vinegar cider and peroxide, tea tree oil. along with antibiotics that are used for lyme disease.
oregano oil is even effective against the mrsa superbug.
may the good Lord heal our afflictions.
Anon, sounds like you have it well in hand.
Anonymous and cotton are right! I have the fibers too, they started when I was around 13, mostly around my scrotum and pubus, then they spread upward toward my navel and eventualy they began springing from my face, around my upper lip and chin, this was occampanied by horrible marks on my skin, like raised, irritated ares, when I applied pressure to these areas a small white collumn would emerge. Also these fibers, like Tall said, are much stronger then human hair, and quickly build more of an immunity when you attempt to cut them off. I’ve lived with this condition for 3 years now. Shame on you Michael for making light of such a serious situation, I bet if something like this happened to you you would think differently.
Nicely put Ditch. You had me for a second.
Thanks, here’s a little additional reading that relates to this pandemic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_panic
I hope Tall Cotton’s gonna thank ya for this enlightenment. When are any of you morgies ever gonna figure out that “the good Lord”, only comes to those who believe in Him? Please.
Those empty words of faith abound in much of your talk, and too many of you even try to use them in efforts to hope you’re giving a sense to readers that you know the Lord.
Get your heads out of the pits of hell, and stop it. Oh, I forgot you belong to a club that promotes that fear. What was I thinking?
Place your bets with me, Ditch and Anonymous. Tell me all your woes, beg me for pity, shame me for the way I talk. Pray for my soul and warn me of karma.
It’s apparent why you do such things, and way too obvious why you can’t read Smileykins’ and Tall Cotton’s true accounts from when this happened to them, as well.
When a person is suffering, and I “do mean suffering”, one does not defend it like it’s their best friend in the whole wide world. One gets rid of the cause.
Fibers are everywhere alright.
“Developement of Bioactive fibers”
University of Dartmouth.
http://www.ntcresearch.org/pdf-rpts/AnRp00/m00-d03.pdf
This is just one of many who were experimenting in developing bioactive fibers. Fibers that are a cross between chemical, mammalian, plant, and bacterial cells.
Repost web address.
http://ntcresearch.org/pdf-rpts/
AnRp00/m00-d03.pdf
“Developement of bio active fibers”
University of Dartmouth.
Textile industries have already purchased the rights to this technology and are now using it. This particular technology was developed in the year 2000. There was alot more going on between other Universities using simaliar bio technology.
Oh, please, try holding it back, and saving yourself the trouble of trying to persuade clear minded people. It is not good to do such a thing as harming your reputation any further. Please save yourself, from yourself, and don’t do this here. We aren’t full of fear and having paranoid delusions on this blog. That’s only YOU, not anybody here.
Anonymous, if you have got fibers trapped and embedded in your disfunctional epidermis, take the necessary measures to get it back into a state of functioning again. It can be done. If clothing is concerning you, read labels. Get focused, and out from under so much fear.
That article from the University of Dartmouth.
Pretty scary isnt it? Whats worse is watching you three squiggle and worm trying to give me a logical answer, which you havent, concerning this article.
You three have one objective on this site. Convince them they are dilusional. Convince the rest of the public they are dilusional.
Its an old tactic used in medicine and trench warfare.
When you use the term Parasitical Dilusions you are using a term that is now days connected with meth addicts, i.e. “crank sores” “crank bugs”.
Lets get something straight.
I dont use meth. Ive never used meth and I dont appreciate you refferring to people here as dilusional as you are playing link the condition with the drug.
That is the underlying message everytime you open your big mouth and use that phrase and make your online diagnosis.
I like how you filter through what you want to hear and what you dont regardless if that comes from a reputable University of not.
Is that the best answer you can give after reading this document?
Your pathetic to turn around and call anyone dilusional after reading this document from a reputable University.
So right now I need to hear some logical conversation about this out of you on this subject and not your dilusional instant online diagnosis rhetoric.
specifically I want your response to the article posted,
“Developement of bio active fabrics”
Anonymous person, I haven’t looked at your nonsense, for good reason. It doesn’t interest me, and I don’t want to reinforce your delusions. Your own kind can do that for you.
Now, if I had any feelings whatsoever that you were crying out for actual assistance, I would read it and give my synopsis. I’ve played that game too many times with your type in the past, though. I am not engaging in it anymore. It’s over and done with.
Mercy sakes, go back and share that with your same-minded acquaintances. You are just showing the reality of the illness, here, with your feeble attempts at what you think is a purposeful enlightenment of members of a normal-thinking society.
I have grown too weary wasting time and effort dealing with morgie people, and having it said that I don’t realize what you’re going through.
You’re protecting a lie, and when anyone gets too close to exposing it you’re all threatened and have no options other than to lash out.
People are not as dense as you and your fellow club members have deluded yourselves into thinking.
We’re very open-minded, intelligent people here. You and your friends’ abstract thought patterns and being caught up within the eye of the morgellons hurricane you’re in, has you not knowing shit from shine-o-la.
Oh I promise you have fully read the document.
Your just intimidated by it.
You also dont know how to respond to it. And the fact that I posted it pisses you off.
Personally I’m not the least bit interested in bio-engineered clothing materials. I’m not particularly interested in any kind of clothing materials. You are obviously obcessed with the issue, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Morgellons.
Oh Anonymous, why, you’re just plain being a goofy poopyhead. I’ve never been intimidated by anything in my life…ever!
In another section of this blog, Michael, being the kind, respectful, person that they are, read all about what you consider to be such an informative link on those bioactive fibers.
I posted my remarks right underneath Michael’ comments on it. I read about that a long, long time ago.
Now really, I’m so sorry, but you do need to try calming yourself down a little. It may only be that you simply need something for anxiety. Have you ever considered that?
I wish you well, and I wish you there rapidly. In the meantime, if it really serves to assist you any, stay here and fire away at me. I insist on it, if it helps.
Anonymous, I’m sorry. I missed seeing that you’re offended. I haven’t implied anything, whatsoever, regarding any relationship to meth users and “morgellons symptoms” as being associated with each other.
Now that I’ve seen, and admitted, The University of Dartmouth’s article has turned out to be something that I had read in the past, can you read my and Tall Cotton’s story? I’d be happy to hear yours, too.
http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/
If you choose not to, that’s fine. Not that you care, but we’ve gone through the same symptoms.
It’s lengthy, and we’re sorry it may be hard to follow. At least, here’s an excerpt from my account.
“… my mouth filled with putrefied matter that appeared to be worms. They came out of my ears, eyes, and nose, as well. My mouth filled with them quicker than I could spit them out and the rotting taste was indescribable. I couldn’t eat. I was becoming more and more malnourished.”
Anonymous, really, a person can suffer from many types of delusions, due to a large number of causes, and I am certainly not saying that you are! I don’t even think a lot of morgie people have delusions such as visual hallucinations. Some do, yes, but I think that many are obsessed and utterly confused over what they are seeing, which is not the same thing as a hallucination.
I have never diagnosed anyone, but I have formed opinions based on my own experience, as well as what I know of others from communicating, as well as reading things written in their own words on message boards.
I’m sorry for not having seen how I had offended you, and really, I can’t make the connection as to how I did.
Well let me make it perfectly clear.
“parasitical dilusions”
“insanity”
“phsycosis”
“wearing insanity on his sleave”
Or any other version that you diagnose to people online WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOURS EVEN IF THEY DONT HAVE A SKIN CONDITION.
GET IT.
Unfortunately, that’s not clear at all. But I take it you were trying to say that Smileykins has, contrary to her protestations, actually diagnosed people online.
I think if you read her posts, you’ll see this is not true. Saying that a group of people tend to exhibit delusional tendencies is simply a general observation, and not a diagnosis.
There’s no way to diagnose someone over the internet. Which makes it even more wrong that the MRF is basing their case on an internet survey of no statistical merit.
oh its a general observation huh?
Well what the hell does it say at the top of the main blog page?
A variety of mental health issues.
It says: “Sufferers have a mixed variety of physical and mental illnesses.”
What’s wrong with that?
Nothing.
you wrote it from experience.
I would like to know how you get rid of the sores. Is there a cure?
That depends on what is causing the sores. That needs to be determined by effectively communicating with your doctor about your symptoms. Please don’t assume you have the same thing as other people. There are lots of causes for sores and itching. A doctor will work with you to find the most effective treatment.
[...] In absence of any epidemiological studies, the only thing that makes the claims of Morgellons at all notable are the “fibers” that sufferers claim to have emerging from their skin. Now I’ve written quite a lot about this before, basically showing that fibers are everywhere, and that many of the photos of fibers shown can easily be identified as Kleenex, or clothing fibers. [...]
I have been afflicted with Morgellons Disease for about three years. I have literally become financially bankrupt trying every kind of salve, ointment, parasite treatment, and herbal oils to stop the constant biting, burning and itching that I my body was suffering from this gross condition.
I do not know how I contracted the Morgellons parasite but for the past three years it has been horrible experience. I have seen all kinds of fuzz balls, weird illuminated colored hair-like fibers and parasitic larvae looking organisms that look just like the Morgellons pictures posted on their various websites. In the past, I had consulted several physicians about my problem and they acted as though I was a mental case, so I do not consult them anymore.
Literally, I became financially bankrupted by purchasing every kind of antibiotic salves, ointment, parasite treatments laced with insecticidal poison, and herbal oils to find a remedy or cure for removing this parasitic infestation, but all attempts failed. Most of the remedies were ineffective in stopping the constant biting, burning and itching that suffered on a daily basis.
Out of desperation, I started to dangerously experiment with chemicals and herbal oil mixtures. I finally narrowed my herbal oil selection to 8 different oils and other chemical additives combined with 91% alcohol, which result into a toxic tincture. I discovered that leaving it in a dark bottle for three months created a potent tincture that was very damaging to the skin but upon contact, it instantly killed the nasty parasites because they came out of the skin dead and in droves. This was too toxic and caused skin damage so I stopped using the tincture.
To make this story short, I resorted in trying freshly extracted limejuice. I choose the lime because it is extremely acidic and contain less fruit fructose. Limes contain 95% terpenes, and are an expectorant, a dietetic and vermifuge. I prefer limes because limejuice has less sugar content than lemons; plus, it will not make the skin feel as sticky after it has dried on the skin. I used squeezed limejuice and applied it to the skin starting from 15 minutes to see how my skin would react to the fruit acid and I slowly increased the time to 24-hour application over a period of two months. The limejuice was applied head to toe; I was relieved from the itching, burning and biting sensations. Although limejuice is not a cure, it does kill many of the disgusting creatures near the skin surface. Warning: Do not use limejuice for too many days because it is a skin defoliate but too much acidic will burn the skin. You need rest time between days of treatment, or according to your skins time reaction.
I rubbed the squeezed juice of this acidic fruit on to all of my body parts that itched; unfortunately, that involved covering my whole body. I was quite surprised that the juice did not sting or irritate my skin. First, I let the limejuice dry on my skin for about 30 minutes. I filled the bathroom sink with hot water, dipping my fingers into the water and slowly rubbed my skin in circular motions. As I rubbed my skin, I saw black bundled fiber like creatures and what looked like gross larvae’s (dead) coming from the skin, and fiber like hairs extruding from my fingers and fingernails. Looking closely, the larvae appeared to have blue or reddish entrails and other strange looking appendages that I could not see well enough without using a microscope. I noticed that the creatures varied in size, as I looked at some of them through a magnifying glass I recognized some of the parasites from the Morgellon’s photographs posted on their website. I was completely grossed out that these things were inhabitating my body and I had no way of completely eradicating them. I also saw some parasites that were not Morgellons, which let me know that there are other parasite creatures that can infest the human skin, ugh!
I still find many fibers and other remnants of the parasites continually habituation but at least I know how to stop the unbearable itching and biting that can just drive you nuts. It also kills many of the creatures that are closed to the skin surface. It is amazing how so many parasites can inhabitant one human skin pore.
I don’t know if everybody can tolerate lime juice on their skin and private areas but I suggest letting it dry for 15 minutes and see if any thing results and if your skin can deal with this treatment. It is a trial and error timing here and you are the only one that can determine how long you can leave the limejuice on your skin type before any damage occurs. I usually leave the limejuice on for 1-hour. This is a trail and error experimental treatment so I cannot tell anybody how long they should leave the limejuice on their skin to kill the parasites and without damaging the skin. I keep the wonderful lime fruits well stocked in my home, not only to drink limeade but as a parasitic vermifuge, and skin defoliate, etc… Oh yes, a little limejuice under the armpits it is better than deodorant.
You are sadly mistaken. There is no Morgellons parasite. There is no Morgellons Disease. Your pictures may look like others from so-called Morgellons patients, but theirs certainly don’t look like parasites. Now, I’ve seen hundreds of photos claiming to be from people suffering from this pseudo-disease, and only a very few pictured parasites. My guess is that you’re delusional like the rest.
I read the long blog entry about Smileykins and Tallcotton, and I’m surprised no one else here has ventured a very simple observation as to the cause of the ill health of these two people:
They are both mentally ill.
I mean hel-LO! Smileykins was obviously hallucinating most of what she experienced. Tallcotton openly admits to meth use but doesn’t reach the obvious conclusion that the meth was making him hallucinate. The “symptoms” he describes are well known effects of meth use.
Psychotic people who believe they have bugs under the skin or some kind of skin disease will usually pick at their skin, cut themselves, scratch, and do other things that eventually result in actual skin lesions (wounds that aren’t healing because of repeated picking).
Hopefully Smileykins and Tallcotton are “well” now. But I would urge them to consider that their obsession with wellness and bizarre sources of illness IS, in fact, all in their heads.
As a person who has dealt with mental illness personally, I know how real these things can seem.
Your reading comprehension is obviously lacking. Try again!!!
Ral, please don’t consider us a threat to your “disease”. You just aren’t able to understand anything right now, including that if your “disease” is really real, there’s no amount of words that anyone can say to the contrary that will ever take it away from you.
I didn’t mean that the way it sounded. I meant, “morgellons disease”. You’re free to have it, Ral, and it’s apparent that you believe you do, showing, as so many others have, in your typical morgie behavioral patterns. Enjoy.
Do some of you work for the textile industry?
Was this website created to attempt to cover up something that the textile industry is already aware of?
I am currently experiencing my first few days with Morgellons. It’s a fascinating, horrifying experience. And I think I got it from some 100 percent cotton flannel sheets. I have saved the evidence. Maybe this is a lawsuit material just waiting to happen.
Why do you think you have “Morgellons”?
Sorry, I shouldn’t have mentioned Morgellons because it’s not a real disease.
I have a lesion on my chest, the intact skin around it is filled with black fibers which I can see through my Radio Shack microscope. I could also see what looked like black mold growing around the lesion on the clear waterproof sterile bandage that I had applied to the lesion. When I looked at the bandage under the microscope, I saw the fibers that appears to be very very similar to some shown on Morgellons websites. Just a bit ago, I was checking my chest and found what looked kind of like a tick inside of my clean undergarmet. I looked at it under the microscope and it was a black ball of fibers. Almost looks like some sort of bug wrapped in the fibers. I could go on and on, but I won’t because you don’t believe any of this.
I think the textile industry is trying to hide something. Do you work for the textile industry?
I’ll be documenting everything and saving everything and then looking for a good law firm to take this case.
I have all of these “symptoms”:
1. Skin lesions with intense itching.
2. Crawling sensations, both within and on the skin surface.
3. Significant fatigue.
4. Cognitive difficulties described by patients as “brain fog”.
5.“Fibers” are reported in and on skin lesions.
The fibers aren’t debilating. It’s the fatigue, the brain fog and the itchiness that are most troublesome to me.
it’s obvious these fols suffer from delusions or are tweeking. you look at anything under a microscope and it will look weird and alien. it might be true that a small number of them actually suffer from a parasital or bacterial infection but the fiber thing is really ridiculous. i’ve looked at countless sites and pics and ninety percent of the evidence given is not parasites. it seems that the chick that started the foundation has munchausen syndrome and has found a few psychotic hypochnodriacs who now have a new illness to play with, just like 9/11 was fot the conspiracy theory nuts. good luck to all you nuts and donate to the university not a non-profit most, including the red-cross, cannot manage their finances.
Max, they’ll bet you $100 you’re wrong. Better jump on that!
# FibersToo Says:
August 8th, 2006 at 8:24 pm
I have all of these “symptoms”:
1. Skin lesions with intense itching.
*Smileykins wants to know if scratching the intense itching is what caused those lesions, in the first place (please, be honest)
2. Crawling sensations, both within and on the skin surface.
*Smileykins has this too. It’s allergies, for me. I had it pretty bad last night, but I generally do well at keeping away from my triggers. Perspiring will do it to me too, though.
3. Significant fatigue.
*Smileykins has very significant fatigue. She ain’t no spring chicken anymore.
4. Cognitive difficulties described by patients as “brain fog”.
*(I said, Smileykins ain’t no spring chicken, anymore)
5.“Fibers” are reported in and on skin lesions.
*Smileykins says: You really don’t realize with those sticky lesions, that it’s perfectly normal for you to have fibers in, and on, them?
Do you ever wear a black shirt, or come into contact with anything dark, that got into the lesion on your chest, or maybe hadn’t bathed for several days, due to the significant fatigue?
The fibers aren’t debilating. It’s the fatigue, the brain fog and the itchiness that are most troublesome to me.
Do you need to have “morgellons disease”? You’re free to, if it’s what you want, but I don’t recommend it.
Oh, shoot. Upon reviewing, you’ve already gone so far as to look at this under a microscopic lens, FibersToo? I strongly suggest throwing that thing out, or selling it. Don’t waste your time and energy obsessing with this, and saving “specimens”. Those are not “specimens”. It’s crud!!! Total crud. That’s why all those pics from people who think they have this look so much alike. You’re just falling victim to the power of suggestion. That’s all you’re doing. Now, since you’re already at that point, you may not be able to just turn it off and focus your attentions elsewhere, especially if you geniunely think you have a lawsuit in the making. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Reel yourself in, if you can.
You said, “It’s a fascinating, horrifying experience.”
Really, I’m dead serious. You should try to stop it right now, if you’re just in your first few days. Don’t get in the grip of it. Go to a doctor, and don’t say anything about the fibers or anything that you see that you believe resembles an insect. It isn’t. It’s just normal cellular waste material from your own body, that’s doing its job.
You don’t even have to see a doctor, if the itching isn’t too bad. Just buy stuff for it. Topical treatments, and benadryl. Benadryl comes in a spray preparation too, and it’s real good for itching.
If you can’t control your thoughts on this, look the hell out!!!!! Now, I’m not kidding you. Look the hell out. This is not a disease. Not like you’re thinking it is. Please watch your step. Do not scratch anymore. Allow your skin to heal.
i’ll admit i’ve experimented with some halucinogenics, amphetamines, and other fun stuff. and i have experienced the same things when i was in that state, i also thought i saw a pink elephant crossing the street. does it make it real? no!
Why won’t you answer the question? Do you work in any capacity for the textile industry?
The itch was so bad that I did have to see a doctor. And he saw what I saw. Hydroxzine relieves the itch, but it does not stop it.
What is it with you. Why are you so vehemently opposed to the possiblity of Morgellons? What’s in it for you? Must be some sort of financial gain to keep this from actually becoming a “real disease”.
The answer to your question “Do you ever wear a black shirt, or come into contact with anything dark, that got into the lesion on your chest, or maybe hadn’t bathed for several days, due to the significant fatigue”.
No I was not wearing black clothing. I had bathed and cleaned the area with an alcohol wipe. It was then completed covered with a clear bandage that blocks out water but allows air to reach the lesion. The black moldy stuff that grew around the lesion was visible through the bandage.
Your comments: “Go to a doctor, and don’t say anything about the fibers or anything that you see that you believe resembles an insect.” and “Look the hell out. This is not a disease. Not like you’re thinking it is. Please watch your step.”
Are you trying to intimidate me.
Another indication that you have some financial gain to be made by this story remaining a mystery. If it’s not a disease, then what it is? An infestation of parasites or worms from new 100% cotton flannel sheets that I didn’t wash before I put them on the bed??? I guess that wouldn’t be called a “disease”. That would be called a lawyers dream.
Morgellans appears to be yet another child of the internet. Review the postings that come up in a Google search and you will find almost exactly the same language and phraseology repeated from site to site - and most recently in the newswire stories. This is midsummer, remember, the silly season, when journalists look for oddball stories to sell newspapers.
500+ cases - a hard number to confirm and in any case statistically insignificant - hardly ’sweeping the nation’. (Gross Morbid Obesity is vastly more prevalent in North Am with rather obvious pathologies). It certainly isn’t hard to come up with 500 delusional hypochondriacs in a population of 350 million. In days gone by, these mentally ill people would suffer in isolation, but today, thanks to the miracle of the web, they can form an online support group, reinforcing and codifying each other’s hallucinations. It’s what humans do best. Of course, there is no shortage of lawyers and unscrupulous medical researchers in the land of for-profit medicine willing to take them ’seriously’ in search of research dollars. Petty sad stuff.
It’s hard not to smile though - one posting wrote in all seriousness that the ‘fibers’ extracted from the wounds were found to be cellulose - so the current direction of research was to identify bacteria capable of producing cellulose. If ever there was a time to invoke ‘Occams Razor’ this is it. “The simplest explanation is most likely to be true” - the cellulose fibers are PAPER.
Further to my last post, the photos on the ‘Morgellons Research Foundation’ website confirm that this is a munchausen-by-proxy obsession at best, a cynical hoax at worst (I’m leaning towards hoax). Notice the so-called lesions on the child’s lip - particularly the linear quality and extremely even spacing. These are almost certainly lacerations (cuts), possibly from the claws of an angry cat. The magnifications of tissue showing fibers are obviously showing contamination from clothing, probably a blanket. I just checked my belly button and found a creepy little black thing that looked like a bug, but which under a magnifying glass was determined to be a bundle of fibers! There are bundles of whitish fibers between my toes as well…
A more interesting study would be to research the neurochemical imbalance that leads to this kind of delusional behaviour. 5 will get you 10 that the folks who have suddenly discovered they ‘have’ this so-called condition have a history of other mental illness - probably untreated due to their inability to afford medical treatment.
The real issue here is not whether this fantasy is real, it is whether the perpetrator of this hoax should be prosecuted for malicious mischief or fraud.
It’s not a hoax. Mary Leitao really believes in Morgellons.
This is an old thread - more active conversations happen on the newer threads, currently :
http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/08/abc-morgellons-medical-mystery/
See also the “Recent Comments” box in the left column.
Most Americans are touching textiles made in 3rd world countries about 23.5 hrs per day. Do you think any of those countries have any environmental controls? Isn’t it possible that something is contaminating the organic materials used in textiles that is then contaminating our bodies? But, no, let’s blame it on paper… let’s divert our attention from what could be the root cause of this issue and call everyone who thinks they have Morgellons crazies… talk about mind manipulation. This is about money…. corporate greed. Someone knows what is going on and they are not sharing the information with the public. We’ve seen it happen many many times in the past… it’s happening again.
From your comment “there is no shortage of lawyers and unscrupulous medical researchers in the land of for-profit medicine willing to take them ’seriously’ in search of research dollars”. Let’s think about this in reverse… who has money to lose? The textile industry maybe?
Who is sponsoring this website? Why would anyone waste their time trying to discredit a disease that “crazies” think they have? What would be in it for the sponsor? Maybe mind manipulation to throw off the general public and since we’re talking about the general public, maybe even use a little hillbilly redneck language so that everyone gets it. I think the people behind this website are extremely intelligent and are masters of mind manipulation. They have a motive… what could it be?
What do you mean, “sponsor”?
“Sponsor” meaning the person or persons that have the most to gain or lose from the existance of this website
I don’t think anyone has anything to gain or lose by the existence of this website?
of course fibers are everywhere… but morgellons and only morgellons fibers are morgellons fibers…
who’s paying you Michael?… do you work for the government?… a university?… a bio-tech company responsible for this?… c’mon… give it up… you are so transparent, i can see right through you… you fucking genius you!…
What are the characteristics of a morgellons fiber? All Wymore has said is that they are “unidentified”. How is your regular person supposed to know what a Morgellons fiber looks like?
What are the characteristics of a morgellons fiber?… the jury is still out on that one jr.
regulular person… you mean non-victim such as yourself… you tell me… you seem to be a self-proclaimed fiber expert… i would be careful with what you are playing with… some of the fibers in our environment are morgellon’s fibers… keep playing with them please… you will know when you find one…
regular people are ignorant to this… i used to be ignorant to this too when i was a regular person… that ignorance was my bliss…
c ya later spook
Therein lies the problem, MAF. “Regular” people ask about the make up or characteristics of “morgellons” fibers and they are only told they are ignorant because how could they possibly understand if they’ve never experienced it? Duh, JUNIOR, that’s why they’re asking. Instead of engaging in a conversation you spew hateful remarks and resort to name calling. You lost me at “assfucker.”
Thanks to all the morgellons sufferers who have actually taken the time to talk and explain about their disease…Aherah, SarahConnor, London, TexasRose, etc. (forgive me if I’ve forgotten anyone). We might not always agree but you’re helping me understand what you’re going through. I know that help will eventually be there for you, so hang in there, please!
most regular people think morgellon’s victims are crazy… and worst yet, the medical professionals diagnose victims that way… even regular people who were once friends are now gone… we are labeled delusional yet so many are afraid we are contagious…
so blow me mhks… i wasn’t talking to you… do you think i am here for you?… do you think i care what you think?… newsflash nancy… i don’t… go on with your regular life… if you have one… what are you doing here anyway?… if you are here and you are not a victim, then maybe you have an agenda as well…
i am just sick and tired of people intentionally fucking with the minds of both the infected and the “regular” people… can’t stand their alterior motives… can’t stand their hidden agendas… i am sick of being sick… this is one bug you do not want… ever back an injured animal into a corner and see what happens?… better kill it or be prepared to fight…
so Michael cuts, copies, and pastes excerpts from other sites into this site and then adds his own sick twist… he directs traffic here from other sites by posting links to his own narrow-minded one-sided blogs… which is all fine and dandy… but i can see right through it all… you have a secret don’t you Michael?… something you are trying to protect…
again Michael… who the fuck do you work for?… you don’t have this disease do you?… that is why you will fail at what you are trying to accomplish… we aren’t going away…
to you and the people you work for the fibers are collateral damage… to the victims, they are the smoking gun… macroscopic evidence that will help solve this crime…
MAF, if you would like to point out any errors or omissions on the site, I would be happy to correct them.
And I agree, the fibers are the key to the whole matter.
Well MAF, thanks for explaining some of what you are going through. Sorry I interrupted your spewing earlier. It sounds like you are indeed in a lot pain and I hope you find the answers you’re looking for soon. No one deserves to suffer like you apparently are.
Don’t waste your time on morgellonswatch.com. This website is being paid for by the people responsible for spreading this disease/parasite/bacteria, whatever it is.
Factual information can be found at:
http://biology-online.org/biology-forum/about1958-3324.html (note that you scroll through the posts on the biology website by using the “GoTo Page…” in the upper right hand corner.
Also see:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no2/02-0222.htm and here is more:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2768446&dopt=Abstract
I just found out it is from the tobacco hornworm! This is the insect that the parasitoid wasp does a number on!!
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041025120719.htm
I have been trying to tell you guys about the ricsettsia diseases, in which they now call all of them the Bartonellas:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051219084711.htm
Lice Join Ticks As Possible Disease Carriers
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050328182844.htm
One of the reasonable sites. I have psoriasis and of course recognize at least some pictures as outbreaks of this - unfortunate, but not as strange as the described symptoms. Lets see what the CDC comes up with.
NO!!! I wasn’t trying to intimidate you!!!
Dear FibersToo,
You didn’t get anything more from my personal comments to you, than that? I just found this tonight, and I want to tell you, that you deceived me into thinking that you were in your first few days with this thing you believe you have. That is what you had written. I’d thought you just had a small place on your chest. You have torn me up all to pieces in your inability to understand my advice that I thought I was passing on to someone that was not as bad off as what you are. NO, I was NOT trying to intimidate you. I’d meant that “IF” you were in the first few days, to go to get that little place checked at your doctors, and that unless you wanted to be thought of as delusional (which you ARE, now, I see), to not say anything about thinking you’ve got something people that are mentally ill are calling “morgellons disease”. I’d misunderstood that you were already there. I’m sorry, too. I’m not going to go through this mistake again. I am not going to!!!!!!!!
Enjoy yourself.
FibersToo,
None of us work for the clothing industry and we are not participating in any coverup of any kind. The owner of this blog, and the individuals that try to help support it, feel that there are other, more likely, explanations at this point, than the idea of morgellons being a distinct disease.
When Smileykins said, “look out”, she was referring to the ease with which the subject of morgellons becomes an all consuming obcession for some people. We are here for one reason, and that is to help people. Try to follow your doctor’s advice and protect your skin as much as possible.
Tall Cotton
I apologize for the outburst. I got suckered just like old times, and it hurts.
http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/2006/05/it-all-started-with-young-boy-named.html
My comment #53:
If you can’t control your thoughts on this, look the hell out!!!!! Now, I’m not kidding you. Look the hell out. This is not a disease. Not like you’re thinking it is. Please watch your step. Do not scratch anymore. Allow your skin to heal.
That was the whole quote. Thanks a lot. Why even come here and say anything like you wanted help?
Don’t answer, but think long and hard, real long and hard about that for yourself.
FibersToo,
None of us work for the clothing industry and we are not participating in a coverup of any kind. There are other, more likely, explanations at this point, than the idea of morgellons being a distinct disease.
You were warned to “look out” because of the ease with which the subject of morgellons can become an all consuming obcession. Please follow your doctor’s advice and protect your skin as much as possible. Conspiracy theories only add to the hysteria and fear that is being generated regarding the topic of morgellons.
Tall Cotton
Did xrays exist before they were “discovered”?? Your bias is obvious, only exceeded by your ignorance. As the head of the Tulsa Crime Lab said on the ABC Special, he submitted these fibers to the FBI Fiber database, which contains 1.5 million samples. Forensic specialists are more than competent to determine if they are “man made”, natural or environmental. Guess what? NO MATCH! FBI couldn’t match them.
So, if you have any objectivity in this, then post that on your blog and edit your prior post. Otherwise, you can go back to taunting sick people and cripples and get off on it.
I live with a morgellon’s patient.. I know..
I did discuss the Tulsa PD fiber tests:
http://morgellonswatch.wordpress.com/2006/08/08/abc-morgellons-medical-mystery/
But I’m a little suspicious of the “Fiber Database”. 1.5 Million? Last I hear it was 100,000. But, no “fiber” database has 100,000 samples. I suspect it was a FTIR database of all kinds of materials. No match there means the sample is not in the database, or that it was a dirty sample.
Being not in the database of 100,000 chemical compounds means very little, since there are 30,000,000 known chemical compounds (with vastly more amalgams), and little is known of the quality of the samples used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_number
JLeB, who are you ordering to edit their prior post?
I think I misunderstood. By prior post, JLeB must have been meaning this topic, “Fibers are Everywhere
Posted by Michael on April 11th, 2006″, and had not seen the date, to realize it was old.
smileykins and tallcotton,
i never heard the word mogellan, or of any of you people prior to couple days ago. i have been dealing with this fibre thing and this crawling sensation, and the lesions that are now popping on the skin all over my body. each one of the lesions look like the other, and they look like every legion pic i have seen posted.
i have experienced, with no outside influence, the same “delusion” as a person 5 states away from me. folks, why is that? why would we (i think you referred to us as morgies?) simultaneously be experiencing a mass delusion. is there even such a thing documented as mass delusion.
i am a professional, educated thinking person with a career that is highprofile in this area. i do not surrender to hype.
your belief or lack of belief in morgellans does not concern me, although i fail to understand why you seem to be such experts and are even wasting our time with your postings. if you say it doesn’t exist, then say it leave the site. you are taunting unnecessarily.
i am only interested in how to cope with this thing i have going on. until i saw an expose on television, i had resigned to the fact that this regular occurane of exiting skin fibres was nothing more than clothing remnant and sebum. i chocked up the crawling sensations to hot/cold sensitivity - like goose bumps.
however, the matter that comes out of my body is not the corpse of cloth. it is inside, under my skin and connected to something that has characteristics of a network.
so, who are you two to tell people like me that we are having delusions. with fervor, you contribute to the hype, clouding the fact that we need help. and i am not referring to our mental health.
i wish this site could block writers like you. you are contributing to the hype with your postings just as the martian theory and textile industry conspiracy.
your opinions are not valid - rather they are just opinions. so until they find the cause and hopefully treatment, please, smilikens and tall cotton, just shut the fuck
Partrickevin wrote:
That’s a surprisingly common question, which you could also ask about a large number of phenomena.
Multiple people across the US have experienced similar phenomena, sharing many details. Does this mean the phenomena are real?
Many people claim to have been abducted by aliens, and supply very similar details. What does this mean?
http://www.csicop.org/si/9805/abduction.html
Many people claim to be electronically harassed by the Government, their stories are similar:
http://www.google.com/search?q=electronic+harassment
Large numbers of people across the country claim they have observed the dispersion of Chemtrails by crystals and Copper pipes.
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml
The fact that a belief seems to be shared by several people does not always indicate the belief is correct.
The lesions of Neurotic Excoriations look the same across the country. The fibers in your skin (blood vessels, nerves, blood, collagen, dried sebum and serum, hairs) also look the same.
I don’t take to being bossed & given orders from strangers too kindly. Otherwise, I’m cool with most things. Educate yourself. I’ll cut you some slack, since you’re ill (and I’m very, very, sorry that you are, too), and that that you hadn’t heard of this until only a couple of days ago. I came to this blog, when there was hardly any traffic on it, back in April. Yes, I’ve said some smart aleck remarks, especially back then. The original intent of this blog was to prove that there is no such thing, for people that could have heard about it in the media, and fallen into its slippery slope of deception. Things like that tend to anger me, because I do not like people’s fears being preyed upon, to begin with, especially such a vulnerable set of people as this group. When it’s done for profit, well, heck yes, I’m more than a little angry. I care a lot about people, and I came here with a little too much baggage on the topic underneath my belt. Once the creator of this “disease” sent her programmed messengers here to attack Tall Cotton and me for breaking away from their cult, I got into a cat fight with one of them, trying to reach her. I had tried breaking through to her every other way that there was, long ago, last year. I gave up, and didn’t expect to have to deal with that again. For those past mistakes, I’m sorry. I haven’t a clue what “your educated, high profile professional career in-this-area”, has to do with anything, so enlighten me, and you may enlighten yourself, by clicking onto either the name “Tall Cotton”, or, “Smileykins”, and avail yourself of just a mere smidgen of our backgrounds. Be sure to read the comment section while you’re there.
May I ask you to explain yourself to me, a bit more, now? Thank you.
there must be a shortage of colors… in the environment that is… a shortage of colored fibers in the environment… or, maybe it is just that only certain colored fibers in the environment are dangerous… hmmm?…
if the fibers found in the skin and lesions of morgellons crime victims were strictly from the environment (lint, hair, etc.), then why aren’t we seeing green, grey, purple, brown, yellow, turquoise, or burgandy fibers?… why aren’t we seeing all the different colors a fiber can possibly be?… why predominantly only white, blue, black, and red?…
i was noticing my environment… my workspace, my car, my decor, my clothing… i see lots of different colors…
i guess open lesions and intact skin only pick up white, blue, black, and sometimes red fibers… wow… that in itself is strange…
hey problem is fucking solved people… just stay away from white, black, blue, and red carpets, clothing, fabrics, car interiors, office chairs, sheets, pillows, whatever…
call a decorator and have your house, car, and workspace remodelled… ask for color samples and choose wisely… go shopping for a new wardrobe and avoid the dop colors entirely… learn to like greys and browns and yellows… maybe throw in a splash of green or purple for a little pizzazz huh?…
i have already called the cdc and to let them know that i and i alone have solved the morgellons puzzle… so call off the dogs and send ass clowns 1, 2, and 3 home…
It’s funny, you never see brown fibers in dust or lint.
I think the majority of fibers are white, then blue, then red is the most noticable color. Under a microscope, you generally only see White, red, blue and black. Look at the photos at the top of this page.
i did… when did dust become fibrous?… lint comes in a variety of colors and you would need more than a simple microscope to quanitify different color spectrums…
so you are saying that a purple cotton shirt would not contain purple fibers?… or, that purple fibers taken from a purple cotton shirt would not show up as purple under a microscope?
many doctors have concluded that the fibers are simple wound contaminates from the environment… i simply ask then, why are only certain colors being seen in the morgellons victim if the fibers are strictly from the environment?… the environment contains many colors… but you can’t answer that, can you?
MAFer asked:
The certain colors are white, blue, red and black, roughly in that order.
The reason this is so is that those colors are by far and away the most common colors of fiber in the environment. Simply based on my observations alone, I’d say the 80% of all environmental fibers viewed under a microscope are white, 10% are blue, 5% red, 2% black, and 3% are “other”.
The colors found simply reflect what is out there.
well thanks for clearing that up… i am really glad to know that purple fibers simply cannot and will not get in my skin because there just aren’t enough of them out there to do so…
have you contacted the cdc to let them know that the puzzle has been solved?… while you got them on the horn… let them know that bacteria and fungus are not capable of producing fibers (in nature or when tinkered with)… that should save alot of fucking around… you know, cut right to the chase…
you are such a genius you!
Thank you. But bacteria and fungus can produce fibers, and you can get purple fibers in your lesions, they are just less likely. Try wearing something with purple cotton, and see what happens.
bacteria and fungus can produce fibers?… get the fuck out a here!… when and how did this happen?…
i will try the purple cotton thing… but i am pretty sure that purple fibers do not stick to lesions… only red, black, white, and blue fibers stick to lesions right?…
now, if i do get a purple cotton fiber in a lesion, i am gonna be pretty confused… because i won’t really know if it is from the purple shirt, a bacteria, a fungus, or what…
i will also feel very special if i get a purple fiber in a lesion as no one else that i know of has ever had this happen… i could be the first human documented with purple cotton fiber lesion disease… that would be so cool!
You are a little late to the purple party:
http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/John_K_The_Mind_Lock.html
“I would lay in the bed and it felt like an army of ants just crawling over the bed, all over my body,” says one Morgellon’s Disease sufferer. … Plus fatigue, body aches, hair loss, rashes, and maroon and purple “fibers” that sprout from lesions. and actually move to escape extraction.
http://morgellonsgroup.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=articles&action=display&thread=1151907784
The smaller red, blue, green, and purple, fibers are also ubiquitous. They can be found in all locations. Besides in body fluids, I have trapped them outside in sticky traps and found them in some kinds of spider webs. They infest dusty corners of all locations and are easy to spot with a 10 or 20 power jewelers loop.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread7527.html
That cotton is one of the vectors for a portion of what ever kind of hydra this is, is a fact I have plenty of evidence for. I have also a great deal of evidence that supports the theory that the red, blue, black, and purple fibers are being airborne. (Chemtrails?)
well geez michael… that’s why you are so much smarter than us infected fuckers…
i am just glad you are here to set everyone straight… i want to be just like you when i get my own websight…
i dont know if i have morgellons or what ever you want to call it but i had blue red fibers come out my skin even on the bottom of my feet dont have any blue or red socks get little cotton balls out of my skin to little black specs and sometimes blue ones to come out but the real strange thing is hair growing where it never grew before and if i pull it out couple minutes or so and its comes right back like when i shave looks clean but ten minutes later its like i never shaved at all ican feel them pop out sometimes these real long ones come out like a horsehair worm but i dont know what it is i just know its true cause its fucking happening to me i dont know doctor thinks im retarded dee dee
FBI compared fibers to their known data base of hundreds of thousands of fibers and they found no match.
Anyone wanting to talk about this disease call me 434-974-7128 or write
cisfl2004@netzero.com
Randy Beth
Yes, Randy has sarcoidosis, but she’s convinced she has “this unknown fiber disease” which, unfortunately, is of utmost importance to her.
Please note the mentioning of spirochetes and Borrelia burgdorferi, below.
Sarcoidosis:
Proposed antigens of sarcoidosis fall into 3 categories that include infectious, environmental, and autoantigens. The most common infectious agents implicated are Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycoplasma
species, Corynebacteria species, spirochetes, atypical mycobacteria, Propionibacterium acnes, Borrelia
burgdorferi, herpes simplex virus, hepatitis C virus, Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, coxsackievirus, rubella virus, Histoplasma species, Cryptococcus species, coccidioidomycosis, and sporotrichosis. Environmental antigens implicated include metals (eg, zirconium, aluminum, beryllium), organic dusts (eg, pine, pollen), and inorganic dusts (eg, clay, soil, talc). Heat shock protein has also been implicated.
*Whatever anyone with sarcoidosis uses to try helping with your skin symptoms, do not, I repeat, do not
ever use talc powder, or any type of clay product. I know I see an awfully large amount of morgie people who do just that.
Cutaneous involvement is seen in 25% of patients with sarcoidosis; it usually accompanies systemic
involvement but may be the only site of involvement.
Cutaneous involvement is either specific or nonspecific. Histopathologically, specific lesions manifest as noncaseating granulomas, whereas nonspecific lesions do not reveal granulomas on histopathologic examination. Erythema nodosum (EN) is the main nonspecific cutaneous disease; lupus pernio, maculopapular, nodular, scar, plaque, angiolupoid, ichthyosiform, lichenoid, psoriasiform, and ulcerative lesions and subcutaneous nodules are examples of specific cutaneous disease.
* EN is a hypersensitivity reaction resulting from exposure to a variety of infections or inflammatory disorders.
o EN is usually an acute, self-limiting process and rarely requires treatment. Recurrences are uncommon. Tender, erythematous nodules are usually present on the extremities, most commonly on the anterior surface of the tibia. EN is more common in European, especially Scandinavian, women of childbearing age than in other people.
o Löfgren syndrome is EN in conjunction with unilateral or bilateral hilar and/or right paratracheal lymphadenopathy, anterior uveitis, and/or polyarthritis. Other symptoms include fever, periarticular ankle inflammation, arthralgias, and pulmonary involvement. Löfgren syndrome is usually an acute disease with an excellent prognosis, typically resolving spontaneously in 6-8 weeks. Pulmonologists, ophthalmologists, and rheumatologists often define this syndrome differently, describing varying combinations of arthritis, arthralgia, uveitis, EN, hilar adenopathy, and/or other clinical findings.
* Lupus pernio, first described by Besnier in 1889, is a striking manifestation of sarcoidal skin lesions.
o Lupus pernio is characterized by red-to-purple or violaceous, indurated plaques and nodules that usually affect the nose, the cheeks, the ears, and the lips, but it can appear on the dorsa of the hands, the fingers, the toes, and the forehead.
o Lupus pernio is usually more common in black women with long-standing systemic, usually pulmonary, sarcoidosis than in other people. It is also commonly seen with chronic uveitis and bone cysts. The course is usually chronic, and severe cosmetic disfigurement may result.
o Lupus pernio, especially involving the nasal rim, has been associated with granulomatous involvement of the upper respiratory tract (50%) and lungs (75%).
* Macular or papular sarcoidosis is the most common lesion seen in cutaneous sarcoidosis, especially in African American women. Granulomatous acne rosacea may mimic sarcoidosis clinically and histopathologically.
o Usually, lesions are asymptomatic, red-brown macules and papules commonly involving the face, the periorbital areas, the nasolabial folds, and/or the extensor surfaces.
o Lesions usually resolve without scarring, although scarring may occur.
o These lesions may also occur in acute sarcoidosis.
* Plaque sarcoidosis is characterized by round-to-oval, red-brown to purple infiltrated plaques; the center of the plaque may be atrophic.
o Some plaques may even appear scaly and can be confused with lesions of psoriasis or lichen planus.
o They most commonly occur on the extremities, the face, the scalp, the back, and the buttocks, and they may have an annular appearance. The distribution is usually symmetric.
o Angiolupoid sarcoidosis is a subtype that has a similar appearance but has large telangiectatic vessels in addition to the characteristics mentioned above.
o This form of cutaneous involvement is usually chronic; most patients have the disease for more than 2 years. Lesions can heal with scarring, and, if plaques involve the scalp, they may lead to alopecia. Patients with plaque lesions usually have more severe systemic involvement.
* Subcutaneous nodular sarcoidosis is also called Darier-Roussy sarcoidosis.
o Lesions are usually nontender, firm, oval, flesh-colored or violaceous nodules that are 0.5-2 cm in diameter. They are commonly found on the extremities or the trunk.
o These lesions usually appear in the beginning of the disease. These patients often have nonsevere systemic disease. In some patients, the nodules resolve spontaneously.
* Infiltration of scars may occur. Scars from previous trauma, surgery, venipuncture, or tattoo may become infiltrated and show a red or purple color. These lesions may be tender.
* Other rare lesions of cutaneous sarcoidosis are ichthyosiform, lichenoid, vasculitic, psoriasiform, erythrodermic, verrucous, papillomatous, and ulcerative lesions.
Causes: The exact etiology of sarcoidosis has not been clearly defined. Genetic as well as environmental factors are thought to play a role in the disease process. Sarcoidosis is thought to result from exposure of a genetically susceptible host to specific environmental agents that the immune system is unable to clear effectively.
http://www.emedicine.com/DERM/topic381.htm
This article, “Why did I get Sarcoidosis? Why me?”, breaks it down real easily.
http://www.sarcinfo.com/whyme.htm
Welcome back, and good luck with what you’re doing, Randy. I’d thought you left this blog, for good.
Whoops, I’d missed this tall tale:
Tulsa’s Police Department’s forensic lab did the comparison, from a fiber data base of over 800 fibers.
Randy, stop it.
Here’s how this FBI thing came about, on ABC’s medical mysteries:
The problem is that the FBI does not have a database of a hundred thousand fibers. They only just created a database of 1,800 fibers:
http://www.uri.edu/news/releases/index.php?id=2713
So what happened?
I suspect what happened what that Mr Pogue simply did an FTIR test, and checked it against a commercial database (as used by the FBI), and did not find a match (for one of many possible reasons). Then ABC spiced this up a bit, and the morgies become convinced the FBI has run extensive tests on the fibers and has been unable to identify them.
This site more than anything convinces me this disease is real and that there is something worth hiding.
Debunkers? Why would you work so tirelessly to debunk this? Doesn’t really make a lot of sense, just cant stand those the thousands of “fakers” “its mass hysteria”? I wonder who sponsors this site?
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/medical/stories/MYSA072406.morgellons.KENS.1e13fade.html
“I am 100 percent convinced that Morgellons is a real disease pathology,” said Dr. Randy Wymore, an assistant professor of pharmacology and physiology at OSU.
Wymore has spent the past year studying hundreds of fibers from Morgellons patients.
“The samples do look very similar to one another,” he said.
Wymore added that the fibers don’t look like anything found in textiles. He has also determined that the fibers are not rubbing off from clothing, because doctors at OSU have found the fibers inside the body.
“We were able to observe fibers under completely unbroken skin,” he said.
Dr. Rhonda Casey has examined more than 30 Morgellons patients.
“There’s no question in my mind that it’s a real disease,” she said.
I am sure somehow you posses greater knowledge than this dr. because you ripped some Kleenex in half or some other lame demonstration.
You absolutely can’t say you know this disease is 100% fake, how do you sleep at night?
Hujo, people who have fallen for the scam of “morgellons disease” are ill. Nobody has any doubts, whatsoever, about that. Why they are ill, they ought to know. If anyone went to a doctor, and did not follow their doctor’s advice, their doctor is not to blame. If anyone was intimidated, and rendered unable to elucidate effectively to their doctor, then, they need someone who can speak for them to attend doctor appointments with them. Such people, as those who believe that they have “morgelllons disease”, are well described, within the symptoms’ listings, inside the case definition Mary Leitao made up on her web site for MRF. Based on that, and based on all of the news accounts, I think that it is fair to say that many of these people have untreated delusional parasitosis. Until that is treated (for those who have it), they won’t be able to move onto treating any other illnesses that they may also have.
The woman that made the disease up, has her own mental condition that also caused her to misinterpret fibers that were stuck in her little boy’s skin, four years ago, as well as another illness, falling under the unfavorable category of MSBP. There are numerous people claiming to have had what they’re referring to as her “morgellons disease” for 30-40 years. Anyone versed in the topic of delusional parasitosis knows that such patients are convinced that they have become infested/infected with something, that they really aren’t, and that a sure sign of it is their inability to accept it and treat it. Many things cause this to happen to people. Physical illnesses can trigger it, as can many drug interactions/side effects, and mental health problems, in, and of, themselves.
If a patient has seen a doctor and been diagnosed with DOP, and ignored their doctor, or, gone to a mental health physician withholding valuable information about their experience, they won’t improve. Part of the protocol is for the mental health care specialist to do follow-up, detective work with the help of a dermatologist, and when necessary, a entomologist, to rule out whether the patient has an actual parasitic infection. There are too many people who never followed through on this, but have sought other doctors for a different diagnosis. Among people who are said to have DOP, it is a very common belief that they have been taken over by some mysterious, often lethal, disease, too! It isn’t just about bugs and/or worms. Fibers, or suspicions of a mysterious pathogen, qualify.
Anyone who was like that, already, and came across “morgellons disease”, took the bait. And, why not?
NOBODY-ELSE-BELIEVED-THEM.
They blame “morgellons disease” on everything that has caused destruction in their lives. They cite it as having caused job losses, interpersonal relationships have broken down and been destroyed, many lose all their possessions (some, by destroying them, thinking they’re infested), some lose their homes (for various reasons, that they blame on “it”), some lose custody of their children, pets are allowed to die from neglect, and some patients commit suicide.
The list of conditions that people already received diagnoses from physicians, is long, and that is what Mary Leitao comprised her ridiculous case definiton with. People who think that they have this, see nothing wrong when they profess to the rest of the world, “but we all have the same symptoms!”.
No, none of them do. They’re messed up, and were heavily influenced into believing that they do, because nobody else believed them, unti l they found Mary Leitao’s “morgellons disease”. What they have in common, is that they are overly involved with their skin, for whatever reasons caused them to be, and they are driven with a maddening force that they cannot control. All this, while under a false belief, that will keep them forever bound, since there is no such thing. It will go on for as long as people will allow it to go on for themselves. Many are helpless, and that is apparent.
Of course, the pictures of what they think are “specimens”, aren’t, and as long as they keep up their neverending, OCD-driven, (stated on MRF, that many have mental disorders…no secret), torturous picking, and magnifying, and posting on the web, they can’t expect their skin sores to ever heal. They’ll keep on getting fibers stuck in them too. Sure, some may get a chance to heal, and heal with the fibers still in them.
People have immune/autoimmune problems that they need treatment for, in a lot of these cases. Many of them can’t get them treated, and many of them ignore what they know they have. There are a whole lot of variables within the group of people believing in this scam. Minds have become overruled with “morgellons disease”, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how it all started. The obvious (on line) mental pathologies, of many people inside this group of believers/”victims” is not a difficult thing to ascertain, either. It is a very despicable crime thatis being perpetrated upon the less fortunate members of our society.
I sleep well, when I sleep. I do hate this situation, though.
Thanks Smilyekins - you know it really is good to read through your posts like the one above. It really confirms things for me and makes me feel a lot better.
I too feel the same way you do - I also hate this situation, and hate is a word I never really use. I hate to see people suffering. I agree 100% treat what you have, and keep doing it.
Hi, Sweet Tater. You’re welcome, and thank you. You’re a gutsy gal, ya are. Hey, and you’re a good mommy to Sally. Give her a kiss for me. I don’t think you neglected her, any, in some of your previous comments about when you were so ill. I’m glad she has you too, and that you have her. Little cat bite puncture wounds aren’t usually detectable until they abscess. She’ll be fine. How cool that you’re going to do volunteer work and help animals. They’re so therapeutic.
I’d better hit the hay, before long.
Keep on keepin’ on!!!
It’s funny how many very real diseases cause depression and mental disorder, aids for instance causes a chronic depression, disease that lowers immune systems cause depression.
In the research I have done it would appear those doctors that do not examine patients believe it to be madness of one, those that actually do look at patients, like lets say thirty patients, like Dr Rhonda Casey, do infact see and interact with these fibers under the skin.
How many patients have you observed?
(BTW Insurance companies can afford very nice sites ;p )
Hujo, you’re revealing that you have dangerous ideas inside your mind that have been deeply and methodically reinforced, unless you just have not fully researched everything there is to know, before concluding those thoughts. Doctors have not been practicing medicine wrong, like they have successfully gotten you to think, either. You know that Rhonda Casey is in on this, and in my opinion (after seeing her in action on television), she works that boisterous quality, that came across, to her advantage. How many patients have I observed? A lot, here, on line, where it all started. I’m sure many people are just as unaccustomed to the experience, and as upset by it, as I am. Are you implying that Michael’ blog is owned and operated by an insurance company?
Let me clarify, Hujo, I haven’t observed patients, on line, in the four digit range. I haven’t kept a running head count, but I have observed way more than 30 people who think they have “morgellons diesase, for sure, and the numbers may even be around the 100 mark. All such people have had obvious, unmistakable, similarities.
I think there are a lot of misconceptions, Hujo.
No one is really “working tirelessly” to debunk Morgellons. We’re all allowed hobbies and medical mysteries/conspiracy theories/whatever catergory “Morgellons” may be for a person is just what floats their boat.
You quoted one doctor, Randy Wynemore, out of hundreds, who have witnessed the same phenomenon. The difference is, the other 999 came to the conclusion of DOP, while Wynemore came to “mysterious disease.”
I’m not saying the majority is always right, but when it comes to people’s health, when you have 999 corresponding “second opinions” and one wild one, well, I’d go with the 999.
Hujo said:
Hujo, I think you misunderstand the internet.
This blog is FREE, as in it costs me nothing. It is hosted by http://wordpress.com ,who cover their costs with very occasional ads. You can get your own blog for free as well.
It looks nice because it uses a TEMPLATE, over which I have very little control. This template is free.
Lots of other people write blogs, simply because the subject interests them, lots of them look very like this one:
http://neurophilosophy.wordpress.com/
http://babelmachine.wordpress.com/
http://laubschr.wordpress.com/
http://politech.wordpress.com/
Look, some of those blogs look even nicer than mine! It does not cost them anything either.
And Randy Wymore, PhD., is not a medical doctor, he’s an assistent professor of physiology and pharmacology, not versed in diagnostic techniques, fiber analysis, dermatology, psychology or epidemiology. The people who ARE versed in those subjects ALL disagree with him.
Which “proves” nothing, but is a VERY strong indication that he might be wrong.
Having such a longtime interest in the topic of the forensics of lying, Randy Wymore came through, to me, as one…
1. First, in his letters to morgies
2. Second, in audios of his voice
3. Third, in videos of his mannerisms
Naturally, that is my opinion, and not to be taken as anyone else’s. However, the evidence indicates, also, that “morgellons disease” is founded upon one lie after another. It only appeals to a certain, very misfortunate, population.
I would tend to agree with you on that one - “founded upon one lie after another”!!!!!
My litte girl is doing great, she had me up at the crack of dawn needing to go to the loo! I did leave a kitty litter tray for her, but I guess old habits die hard. I must go get her in, she is still wearing her blue bandanna, and I don’t want the other cats in the neighbour getting jealous of her!!!!
“· Hujo, you’re revealing that you have dangerous ideas inside your mind that have been deeply and methodically reinforced, unless you just have not fully researched everything there is to know, before concluding those thoughts. Doctors have not been practicing medicine wrong, like they have successfully gotten you to think, either.”
LOL “dangerous” No these are conclusions based on the evidence and research presented AFTER doctors decided “Gee maybe we should actual study this” Fibers are being observed breaking skin, embedded in irritated skin, and embedded in unbroken skin, these fibers are not textile fibers or paper fibers, in fact they are unknown, sure they may only have 1800 known fibers to compare them to, but that is no small number, your fiber pictures are opaque, the images of magellons fibers are translucent and appear tubular. And are you kidding? Doctors are forced to practice bad medicine the system is over loaded. Just because a symptom (bugs crawling) parallels delusion does not mean this is the case, I think most docs jump to that conclusion as soon as this symptom is described. NEXT PLEASE! Therefore no real observation or study. My proof. It has not received serious study by any authority till 2006!
“ You know that Rhonda Casey is in on this, and in my opinion (after seeing her in action on television), she works that boisterous quality, that came across, to her advantage. How many patients have I observed? A lot, here, on line, where it all started. I’m sure many people are just as unaccustomed to the experience, and as upset by it, as I am. Are you implying that Michael’s blog is owned and operated by an insurance company?”
“In on this” Ok what does he have to gain, what do any of the sufferers have to gain? You have to have a motive to conspire, I really don’t think making doctors and health authorities look bad would benefit these people, there are just some people out there that think for themselves and care about humanity, is it so hard to believe that the doctors trying to identify and cure this are actually just following their Hippocratic oath and not following the advise of insurance companies? As in “we don’t want to have to cover a new disease, lets make these people look crazy” I just find it hard to believe that normal everyday people with nothing to gain would commit so much effort to belittling possibly sick people because “they just cant stand liars” It’s weird man.
“Let me clarify, Hujo, I haven’t observed patients, on line, in the four digit range. I haven’t kept a running head count, but I have observed way more than 30 people who think they have “morgellons diesase, for sure, and the numbers may even be around the 100 mark. All such people have had obvious, unmistakable, similarities. “
Are you a doctor? You “observed” patients on line? Via web cam, the image quality isn’t the best and as far as I am aware there is no microscope option.
“obvious, unmistakable, similarities” You mean depressed, pissed off, confused, they are reported symptoms. If science does say’s it’s real, will you feel like a jackass?
Really nobody knows, it’s an unknown unstudied area, why I question it is, What would the sufferers have to gain, besides a cure?
And Randy Wymore, PhD., is not a medical doctor, he’s an assistent professor of physiology and pharmacology, not versed in diagnostic techniques, fiber analysis, dermatology, psychology or epidemiolo