NPR Morgellons

tallcotton says:

Smileykins said…

I sure hope it’s going to end up leading to different ways of approaching them…

I do too, but, by the definition of DOP, people have a “fixed” false belief. There aren’t too many things that will unfix it, and antipsychotic medication is the most successful approach. That fixed belief is preventing them from believing their doctors, and following his prescribed regimen. Counselling is also out of the question.

I don’t think they are going to be tricked into taking antipsychotic medication. They’ll be watching for their delusional doctors to try to get one past them. I don’t see any way of helping these people. Some borderline DOP’s may fall off the Morgellons wagon after the CDC’s report, and some would be Morgies might be discouraged from going that route, but other than that, the situation looks hopeless. It’s one hulluva trap they’ve fallen into.

Tall Cotton

S Bione-Dunn says:

Well, now, Smiley, I disagree respectfully. I think that all medical questions are valid to the CDC, and while it may seem, and is probably true, that the MRF et. al. pushed and forced very aggressively, the investigation should not be belittled.

However, everything else you said… I’m right there with ya.

tallcotton says:

I feel that the CDC has known, for several years, that the Morgies have DOP. The CDC has repeatedly told the Morgies to consult their local doctors. I believe that the CDC is now being forced to formally investigate the matter, which, of course, isn’t going to change the diagnoses, or the recommended protocol for DOP. The CDC is concerned about the people’s questions, but that doesn’t mean that they have the time or resources to be doing what they were eventually forced to do. Do I want my tax money to be spent on another paper about DOP? Hell no. It’s a waste of time and money. If the CDC is to guide the public on medical issues, it’s important that it maintains the respect of the public. In that sense, this task force is a maintenance proceedure. I find it sickening that Mary Leitao has been allowed to continue her “movement”, and do it openly, to get Morgellons classified as a disease. In my opinion, she has been a great negative influence on a lot of people, and she has needed mental treatment for many years.

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

Lorri,

You’ve been posting, stupid, and we’ve been answering your nonsense. Don’t be comparing Morgellons to real diseases. AIDS and Ebola kill people. People who “believe” they have Morgellons only whine like little babies. You have a mental problem, and you’re wearing it on your sleeve for the whole world to see. You’re the ass, and you’re the fool, and if you don’t realize that you’re the loser, take a good hard look at yourself.

Tall Cotton

DHB says:

Fascinated by this topic, I’ve spent the day exploring several sites devoted to Morgellons. By the far the best is the one in Germany, where a great deal of research has already been completed. I encourage anyone seriously interested in this odd disease to visit:

http://www.morgellons-research.org

(If you don’t speak German, you’ll be able to choose an English-language site from this page. Be forwarned: Some translation is clumsy!)

In the left part of this site, under the heading “Click on Menu,” click the first entry, “Morgellons-Report” to expand it; then, click the last entry, “Latest conclusions.” It presents an insightful summary of findings that, surely, the CDC will carefully investigate. And which I hope you all will find stimulating.

It makes so much sense, based on everything I’ve read today, that this is an artificially created bio-organism, created in a gene laboratory with the best of intents (for example, in search of a cancer cure, etc.) but which has inadvertently inflicted unintended consequences. Read for yourself.

From the “Latest conclusions” area in the site, work back up through each of the topics in the “Morgellons-Report” for detailed information; the “Introduction” is also full of insights.

I’m eager to hear what you think.

smileykins says:

Lorri, you’re beyond being irrational and uncivilized towards Michael. That’s not anything resembling what many morgies think they’re able to get by with passing off as simple “brain fog” either. Yes, *this thing is spreading*, and YOU ARE doing your part. The “morgellons movement” has clearly gotten society to wake up to the problem.

smileykins says:

By the far the best is the one in Germany, where a great deal of research has already been completed.

No, I don’t quite think so. Thanks, but that’s a site for delusional parasitosis, same as other sites about “morgellons disease”. Did ya read about the hygienic measures? When I’d had DOP, I didn’t practice all that type of stuff. I had a mess on my hands, no question about it, but I didn’t try to keep up with thinking I could get rid of anything through doing a lot of the hygienic rituals that morgies do. I knew it was whipping me out right away. My skin was so fragile that I couldn’t wear clothes, and, hehe (I can laugh now), things were exploding out of me all of the time, so badly, and getting into my food, that I tried fashioning a garment out of aluminum foil to try being able to eat. It didn’t help any, either. Can’t nobody tell me that “morgellons disease” ain’t DOP.

S Bione-Dunn says:

http://www.morgellons-research.org

So I went to this site.

It claims “we concluded that various body structures were visible” but doesn’t say what body structures were visible! If they are visible, shouldn’t whoever this is be able to say what structures were visible? Because they sure aren’t visible to me.

Here was another gem:
“But mostly the spreading in nature or a direct human infection is taking place over a kind of fungal spores (fibers).”

What on earth does this mean? And what do spores have to do with worms, what they “identified”?

Hardly convincing.

smileykins says:

Oh, the lingo. Maybe our bodily secretions, wet and dry, and the various things they can do, pose a real threat to us all, but we just haven’t realized it yet. Pick your nose and look sometime. There might be a hair in something that looks like a booger, but maybe that really isn’t a booger. Maybe that really isn’t a nose hair. Maybe we aren’t the ones hallucinating, too. I’m not entirely sure that some of these poor people don’t know that a puppy can’t grow up to be a bird, or that a human can’t give birth to an insect. I wish the poor things would treat it, and be well. Yeah, right.

tallcotton says:

DHP,

We’ve all known about the German website since it was created. We’ve read it many times. It’s still as nonsensical now, as it was the first time we read it. Trust me! The information is false. There is no Morgellons Disease. There is no Morgellons pathogen. The people who believe they have Morgellons, have a wide variety of common skin disorders. They are also delusional. This particular phase of DOP began with a woman who was suffering from Munchhausen Syndrome By Proxy. She’s still picking at a 5 year old lesion on her son’s face. It was recommended that she have a full mental evaluation. Most of the lesions on the internet, that are said to be Morgellons lesions, are neurotic excoriations. The bugman is an entemologist, but this issue has nothing to do with arthropods, or any type of organism, for that matter. He also wants 10 bucks for every species one mails him. Sounds like a money making proposition to me. On the other hand, I think that Dr. Wymore, from OSU, is just a nut. Happy New Year.

Tall Cotton

gobucky says:

There are really two delusions going on here: 1) Delusions of Parasitosis and 2) Delusions of Reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_of_reference

Those subscribing to nanotechnology, biowarfare, chemtrail, and the myriad of other commonly espoused conspiracy theories suffer from Delusions of Reference.

You are a Russian spy, your hair falls out, you become critically ill and you discovered to be perfused with an obscure radioactive material. You can legitimately assume you are the victim of some sort of a conspiracy.

You live in Texas. You have a normal job and life. You develop unexplained itching and skin lesions that physicians are unable to diagnose. This is not a conspiracy.

The frequent tendency to invoke conspiracy as the etiology of Morgellons simply buttresses the theory that the entire problem is neuropsychiatric in nature.

smileykins says:

DHB, excuse me. Thank you, and Happy New Year to you, too.

I agree with you, Gobucky, and whatever the actual number of “morgellons victims”, even if it’s a mere drop in the bucket of society, it’s too many. It’s a very dangerous situation people are in.

In the past, there were some people on lymebusters’ message board that I hope really meant what they’d said, and actually went on to recover. We’d corresponded by email, and if they did as they’d planned and got over it, they were obviously ill with DOP from an underlying physical cause. Recovery is possible, that way (listen to me, making it sound ‘so easy’), without anti-psychotic medication, if the underlying physical illness is treated.

But yeah, people with delusions of reference…forget about it. They can only pay attention to their senses to start with. To them, those ill-begotten references make excellent sense. Of course, once I’d entered into this scenario I knew I could never be frank, and had to call this “morgellons disease”, but some morgies saw through it and hated me. One is never to recover from “morgellons disease”. Since the time I used to try finding a way to break through, somehow, they seem to have really gotten worse with everyone, and everything, on all the morgie message boards.

When I was sick those two months, in 2002, I didn’t do the majority of things morgies practice, and I didn’t own a microscope. However, I lived in The Twilight Zone, too, and I saw unbelievable feats performed by things expelled from my mouth and skin. It was dead cellular waste and environmental debris, but Lord have mercy. Hallucinating, and, of course, not knowing it, caused me to think I was harboring some strange pathogenic substance. Anybody would think like that, being under siege of real-life science-fiction.

None of these people will listen to reason from any reliable source. To be so tortured and tormented in a chronic state like that, and not want to get better, well, it’s like the ONLY statement I can appreciate in that letter published by the Bugman, at the end, where he said,

If this is a mental condition, then we have a major problem on our hands in this country, in my opinion.

Well, yes, we do.

tallcotton says:

When Mommy Munchhausen brought them out of their closets to accomplish her personal agenda, she succeeded in making herself and all of them look like fools.

TC

smileykins says:

It’s pitiful, in every sense of the word, and just how can anybody attempt communication with people operating from a delusional standpoint? DOP is a complicated matter, anyway, but the people who are listed, originally, on the MRF’s site, obviously have the primary psychotic form and the secondary functional form due to underlying psychiatric conditions. For the most part, the patients on line think they can deny that, even with it blaring at us there, and even with their on line behaviors.

The Following Six Signs or Symptoms Are The Basis of Morgellons Disease

4. Cognitive difficulties, including measurable short term memory and attention deficit, as well as difficulty processing thoughts correctly. Described by patients as “brain fog”.

5. Behavioral effects are common in many patients. Many have been or will be diagnosed as Attention Deficit Disorder, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, or Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. A minority do not show this pattern. Almost all, if previously seen by well-read physicians without prolonged observation, will have been labeled as “Delusional Parasitosis”. Temporal relationship to skin lesion onset is not known.

OTHER COMMONLY REPORTED SYMPTOMS AND SIGNS

2. Numerous neurological findings. A variety of neurological symptoms have been reported. Some patients have been diagnosed with Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Multiple Sclerosis, and other well-known and recognized disorders, while others display significant symptoms not falling into any well-defined neurological category.

4. Neuropsychiatric symptoms and signs, ranging from mood or personality changes to diagnosed disorders including Attention Deficit Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and occasionally frank psychosis. Temporal relationship to skin lesion onset is not known.

REVIEWED BY:

William T. Harvey, MD, MPH
Michael Ledtke, MD
Ginger Savely, RN, FNP-C
Raphael B. Stricker, MD
Gregory V. Smith, MD, FAAP

Medical Advisory Board
Morgellons Research Foundation

That’s quite a Medical Advisory Board.

Morgie people lash out at us because they’re sick and confused, they feel persecuted, they’re paranoid, and because some of them have inflated egos. There’s no bridging the chasm. Birds of a feather flock together. Notice how many say that eating sugar makes their “morgellons” symptoms worsen. They don’t even want to hear that could be diabetes. No, it’s all “morgellons disease”. It’s insidious, it’s mysterious, and that’s why they have to search for clues to it, outside-of-the-box.

Look at all this link, including so much in one convenient place…

http://www.marslife.com/morgellons.htm

smileykins says:

Michael, I’m sorry, I was away, and didn’t realize I had already submitted a comment, until I revised what I was meaning to say, and sent it. I received a statement that I’d submitted it previously. The second one was the only one I’d meant to send. Now, see? That’s brain-fog. Hehe.

smileykins says:

I disagree with many things you mentioned, eec, but since you “aren’t a morgie”, and since I am a former DOP, my opinions are covered well enough. But, concerning this….

#9) ITS REALLY ALL ABOUT OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOM TO PRESERVE OUR HEALTH AND LIVE OUR LIVES AS WE SEE FIT–NOT THE RULES OF THE LAND THAT DETERMINE IF WE KEEP OUR HEALTH OR NOT—WHY IS NATURAL MEDICINE SO POPULAR?? BECAUSE WE CAN HELP OURSELVES WITHOUT BIG ANYONES HELP

“Our rights”? Yes, I agree, but this issue is not about “our rights”. It’s about a group of mentally ill patients refusing to treat, who forced the government into their affairs. They harassed the CDC (and even continue to), but after the mass media aired their stories, the CDC had to take action. These people are NOT preserving their health. They openly tell how they cause themselves harm, and endanger their children, their pets, and probably others in their lives. Anybody who abuses antibiotics is putting the entire population at risk, too. Psychosis is something that has to be treated!!

tallcotton says:

Southcity,

Doctors have invented lots of things and have made lots of discoveries. Just what the hell does that have to do with DOP/Morgellons? Let me answer. Not one damn thing!

Tall Cotton

eec says:

yes smiles
point well made on my topic #9
which is even more proof i am not a morgy–i have been working with the same DR since my symtoms began
in august 2003–and we work together to maintain the highest level of health i can–
i want to work and earn $62 an hr
i want to study massage-health and fitness to learn and practice how to have health and longevity in
life
thats probably why i got removed from there guest list
i wasnt on the tam-tam band wagon
now there was some evidence of
mass delusions
on the other hand wiki-up-pedia
is not the only material on lyme
it is a thought provoking disease
whic is why it is dismissed so often–too much work and thought for the DRs
all the symtoms of morgellons
are clearly covered by ACA
now i dont know that all morgys
have lyme–but most didnt want to look either—the admin at LB
didnt encourage seeking any solution to suffering but had lots of love and sorry sad sympathy
for each other
i am not here to pick a fight
i do agree with some or a lot of what is said here–but some of the topic points made here are a little abrupt against psychological–neurological conditions that are part of a true
infection
peace-love-kindness-forever
eec

tallcotton says:

South,

Every doctor that treats Morgellons as anything besides DOP is operationg in the fringe or beyond. Dr. Stricker, who works with the MRF, was discovered to be lying on an AIDS research paper in order to land a grant. Dr. Ames, who also works with the MRF, was caught using a gadget that wasn’t approved by the FDA. Both of these doctors were penalized. Nurse Savely’s liberal antibiotic treatments were disallowed in Texas. She now works with Dr. Stricker in San Francisco. Dr. Schwartz lost his license in New Mexico because he couldn’t account for narcotic that he prescribed. He allegedly used narcotics to treat Morgellons patients. There’s becoming more and more quacks as time passes, looking for ways to cheat Morgies out of their money. Outside the box is no place for a Morgellons patient to be. They don’t need to do business with doctors on the fringe. The need a real good GP, and a good psychiatrist, and they need to break ties with the forums of the Morgellons Believers. Now, those are facts, and they’re pretty simple to understand.

Tall Cotton

smileykins says:

eec, I wasn’t directing that, “I’ve got it. You have the right to remain ill.” to you. Comments were in moderation, so it appeared as though I was. I’d posted it after I’d said, “You scoff at my convictions. I think I have made my reasons for having them crystal clear. What are the reasons behind your convictions?”, to South. I shouldn’t have said it, but he refuses to answer even the simplest of questions that I ask, after he makes statements, and he’s just never tried communicating to promote any understanding. That’s all I want, and I lost my cool. I’m sorry, South.

southcity says:

Now, think: Would his colleagues cheer his stroke of ingenuity by spreading the news — and practice — of the treatment to relieve suffering?

No. Inexplicably, they rejected him, ridiculed him, heaved accusations that threatened his license to practice medicine.”

“If I look back at medical school, much of it was misinformation,” he said. “Physicians learn to just do the routine, to do the accepted things — don’t go too far out.

“They’ve got so much to lose if they stick their neck out.”

TC what do you not understand about how this relates? smiley, atavan huh? yes, your convictions are quite clear.

eec says:

dearest smiley cheeks

iam sorry to seem off topic
but since morgellons is not really
anything on its own –it lends to
discusing other aflictions

like that CFS article–thats a lot of tired people
like DOP –apparently there are a lot of imaginary parasites out there// what is a parasite ??
how big or small are they??
are there really that many meth users???
or my favorite lyme–Bb///
late stage chronic disease
ACA= acrodermitis chronica atropia
also caused by B azelli
unusual fibrosing of the skin
1860 by buckman/1902 by herxhiemer bacteria make all kinds of things

as i said before i am carrying an olive branch here–not picking fights

doctors are not scientists-they are business people tryig to make money like the rest of us
when doctors do try to be scientists they get in trouble
guessucated patients that read the internet do not help the confusion
by ignoring thier doctors

you see smiley-tc-marg
i am agreeing with you on several levels–maybe i used a poor selecton of words –abrupt ????
whatever i said about psych ad neuro symtoms—these symtoms are often times – many times – can be – indicaters that there is an underlying illness involved
even having a cold or flu can/will cause one to have psych/neuro
issues
i also agree that people who get stuck on certain forums and blogs
may misunderstand or become overly focused on particular topics

i keep beating the lyme drum because i know that there is a lot
of cunfusion with this disease and it is a psych/neuro disease in its later stages–
and yes people do have the right to stay sick–i believe ronald reagon granted them that privilage

i too am a recovered DOP–the
doctors stopped giving me ivermectin-albenzole-and scabie
cream after i tested pos for
lyme–but if i was DOP why where they treating me parisites???
i wasnt DOP but i was very ill
and i was very confused
i can see clearly now and i stay focused on my one disease with its many symtoms
thank you for having this space for me to preach in
peace-love-kindness-forever
eec

tallcotton says:

A parasite is any organism that is feasting on your body or possessions and not paying for its keep. There’s no limits to it’s size. It might be a spirochete, or it might be your next door neighbor.

TC

tallcotton says:

EEC,

I didn’t see your blood tests, but it would be my guess that your doctor realized that something was drinking out of your cup. You probably had elevated whites, indicating infection of some sort, and your symptoms and/or suspicions led you to lyme. I know that there can be a late stage lyme, but Im not too convinced of Chronic Lyme. Your diagnosis may be accurate, but I definitely believe that many Lyme diagnoses are false positives.

Tall Cotton

Gillian says:

How we doing then folks? Looks like lots of stuff to read and catch up on. I haven’t read all the posts or links as yet.

It is so nice to be a recovered DOP also. How refreshed I feel. The country side is wonderful medicine.

Happy New Year anyway everyone, lets hope we can wind this Morgellons phenomenon up sooner rather than later.

Gillian says:

Persistent scabies-like condition may not be all in people’s heads
Richard Fagerlund

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Q: Can you please help me? I have been using lice and scabies treatments (over the counter and prescription) for three years. Something seems to be crawling within my scalp and skin. I see black things, large eggs in my hair and things that look like “sticks” that shoot out of my scalp and body. I also have what looks like pieces of gravel falling from my body and head.

Nothing seems to help. Medications are useless. I have given up going to the doctor. I have visited a specialist who refused to even look at my head. I am very clean. I do garden, and there are many ticks where I live. Is it possible I have a tick infestation?

I hope you believe me, that this is so odd.

A: This letter is representative of many I get on this subject. Twenty years ago, I would get three or four letters like this in a year. Five years ago, I was getting a dozen or so a month. Now I am getting them almost every day. Initially, the condition this person described was called delusory parasitosis or delusions of parasites. It was considered a mental problem, and it still is by a large portion of the medical profession. Indeed, I used to refer these folks to a dermatologist with the hope that the dermatologist would refer them to a psychologist.

I am not sure anymore. This condition is starting to reach epidemic proportions, and I can’t believe it is all mental. My theory, and it is only a theory, is that a small percentage of these cases are delusory parasitosis, but the rest may be the results of something else, possibly pollutants. Pesticides are not adequately tested, as the inert ingredients in all pesticides are considered trade secrets and are not even required to be listed, much less tested. It is a very real possibility, in my opinion, that some of these inert ingredients are causing some of the phenomena occurring in some of these people.

This condition now has a name, Morgellons disease. As I said, most people don’t take it seriously, but I do. I have offered to help by collecting samples of fibers, seeds, mites, etc. and curate them for further study. If you suffer from this condition, you can send me samples if you like. Go to my Web site (see below) and on the front page you will see instructions on sending bugs in the mail for identification. Follow the instructions.

I am going to set up a national database of all the samples we receive and try to get the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to take a serious look at it. If this condition is caused by pollutants, we need to address it, possibly by insisting all ingredients in pesticides are tested and listed on the label. If this is a mental condition, then we have a major problem on our hands in this country, in my opinion.

Entomologist Fagerlund can be reached at fagerlun_at_unm.edu and has a Web site at http://www.askthebugman.com.

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smileykins says:

“Morgellons disease” won’t be over with, after the CDC has spoken, as long as quacks exist to fill a special need for these patients. Happy New Year, to you, Gillian. Of course, parental delusions are passed onto children. Please get into a discussion with your doctor, right away, about prescription medications and pregnancy.

Concerning “chronic” lyme, I used to see a lot of morgies on LB, who didn’t understand their test scores. They concluded that a high titer number meant they were full of infection, when that number indicates their natural immunity is doing its job.

eec said:

and yes people do have the right to stay sick–i believe ronald reagon granted them that privilage

That’s funny. Hehe. I just so happen to believe we were all born with a free will. There are morgie people with their conspiracy theories, and there are others we don’t discuss. I know, fully well, that outsiders are not allowed to talk about it, but morgie people are all over the web saying certain things. So, here I go with one.

Many of them make posts about The Golden Rule, and warn people about karma, and some of them talk about their beliefs, in both, which are essentially the same. A lot of people, these, and others, refer to “morgellons disease” as a curse, and some will type out words of Christianity, faith, and prayer, and, sometimes (this really gets me) email prayer chain letters, as well as other chain letters. (Sorry folks, any that came to me, stopped dead.) They’ll claim that they want to be delivered from evil. So, well, with all that talk, some of them appear to seem to as though they may almost believe in a ruler of darkness and in a Supreme Authority.

When I’d first heard of “morgellons disease”, I was taken by surprise when I noticed ritualistic oil anointings, instructions on the strategical placement of sachets, (someone instructed cages of mice, even), antibiotic experimentation, herbals, herbal-cleanses, hand-held machines of different types, and, then, I read of “looking forward to a good herx”, or “just coming out of one”. I didn’t know what any of that was, and I’d really thought that some people were practicing a form of witchcraft, to be honest. Much more horrifying things came to light, in a very short time, but what people are embracing is beyond scary.

Yes, they have a right to do it, and to remain ill, but is it hurting them, or anybody else, in the process? I wonder how many really think “morgellons disease” is their punishment? A lot of them wonder, all the time, what they must have done, they say, to deserve it. It definitely isn’t their punishment, for anything, but if they think it is, maybe, in their minds, it truly is!!

Gillian says:

EEC,

I didn’t see your blood tests, but it would be my guess that your doctor realized that something was drinking out of your cup. You probably had elevated whites, indicating infection of some sort, and your symptoms and/or suspicions led you to lyme. I know that there can be a late stage lyme, but Im not too convinced of Chronic Lyme. Your diagnosis may be accurate, but I definitely believe that many Lyme diagnoses are false positives.

Tall Cotton

Interesting. I had some bloods done last week, just to confirm the pregnancy. I have elevated white cells – 17, and an ESR of 31. The doc said both are WAY too high.

Lets hope my current treating doctors will NOW take a very close look at me, especially since I am carrying a baby. Mind you, all is very quiet, not heard from no one! You can ask for help until the cows come home, one day the penny might just drop with them.

My skin looks great, I have no lesions or sores, BUT my scalp whoa!! itchy and crawling sensations!

DHB says:

Dear Mr. Tall Cotton and Ms. Smileykins:

Thank you for sharing (at the site linnked from Tall Cotton’s name in any post) in painstaking detail your separate experiences of many of the symptoms historically and routinely diagnosed as delusional parasitosis or, more recently, grouped under the umbrella of Morgellons disease.

I understand from your initial post describing your experiences with lifelong illnesses (Smileykins) and methamphetamine addiction (Tall Cotton), both of your replies to posts at your blog, and several of your posts at the Morgellons Watch site that you
– have satisfied yourselves that you both suffered from classic delusional parasitosis, due to at least those lifelong illnesses combined with dehydration (Smileykins) or drug addition (Tall Cotton)
– believe everyone else reporting similar symptoms must also be suffering from the same delusional parasitosis as you have suffered

Furthermore, you believe that
– there is, in fact, no such thing as Morgellons disease; instead, everyone blaming their symptoms on it are, just like you had been, suffering delusional parasitosis (sometimes in combination with other mental or physical diseases, which can alter the symptoms)
– the sooner those professing to suffer from Mogellons disease accept this fact, as you both have done, the sooner they will find relief, as you both have done, and the sooner our government will be freed from such time-consuming and costly tax-payer-paid investigations by the Centers for Disease Control

Based on everything I have discovered in my attempt to “get to the bottom of this,” I conclude that you are not only well intentioned but also, probably, correct in your conclusions. That is: I won’t be surprised that the Centers for Disease Control will confirm your conclusions.

Nevertheless, I think you fail to understand how best to counsel those who disagree with you. As a result, you inadvertently and unnecessarily evoke argumentative and negative commentary in response to your posts, when a measure of your success would be positive and affirmative, even “Eureka!”-type, posts.

May I offer a few suggestions?

1. Embrace, don’t rebuke

It appears to me that you have adopted the same kind of intransigence in furthering your point of view in your postings as those claiming to suffer from Morgellons disease have adopted in defending theirs. You provide a kind of tit for tat.

As you point out in several postings, intransigence is counterproductive for those professing their affliction with Morgellons disease: it prevents them from accepting the only cure you both, who have fully recovered from delusion parasitosis, know works.

But your own intransigence is also counterproductive because such an unwavering stance is challenging, alienating, and potentially damning to those you seek to educate, to enlighten, and to enfold with you in successfully dealing with these terrible symptoms.

In several of your postings, you appear impatient with, and intolerant of, those who have yet to make the conceptual breakthrough that you both have made: for example, when you quickly post your findings of non sequiturs in their comments (I can hear you imply, with the authority of beloved Rachel Ray, “How stupid is that?”), or when you belittle their narrow and fortified defenses. You come off as though you are throwing your hands up in despair at the stupidity of those around you. (Which, owing to your superior intelligence and understanding born from experience and recovery, may very well be the case. But, friends: no one cares about your superiority or your recovery. They care only about how you can help them. Please, don’t alienate them with your high-faluting condescension. Your quick-as-a-dart jab at their failure to be logical.)

If, indeed, you wish to help fellow sufferers who have not yet made the conceptual breakthrough you both have done, then you must

– take great pains to LISTEN to and ACCEPT them on their terms; after all, they are struggling just as hard as you both did during your episodes; indeed, they may have suffered longer and slower and, therefore, be more deliberate in their intransigence, having already encountered countless health-care deliverers who could not be bothered to listen — attentively (or at all) — to their complaints

– only then offer your own observations of your own experiences, and don’t pretend that you know all for everyone and no one else could possibly have an answer (in part, because, as noted below, you cannot know such a fact)

– leave it at that (please, don’t degrade your petitioners in any way; you can’t win by offending, however much their own offending comments may appear to justify your offense right back at them)

You may very well be justified to post your particular responses, but I’d nonetheless encourage you to adopt a less strident, less confrontational, less “I know I’m right!” stance.

When you feel attacked, resist the urge to attack back. Instead, reply with “Having been through experiences similar to yours, I know how convincing the evidence at hand can be. Indeed, I believed that [whatever impossible thing actually occurred]. While I and my husband/wife [soon?] were just as certain as you that we were victims of a strange new disease, we’ve come to accept that, while it’s hard to admit, we were suffering delusions. …”

Keep accepting, keep opening your arms to, keep welcoming all those who staunching disagree with you.

By doing so — instead of challenging them or contradicting them or pointing out the fallacies in their logic — you stand a better chance of helping more people who have suffered as you both have done.

Equally important, on the outside chance that someone somewhere may be experiencing something similar to what you have done, but their affliction, fundamentally, is different, you at least appear to be open to finding out about it, which supports healthy scientific inquiry. Even if you don’t believe in your heart of hearts that it’s true. As much as I respect you both, I must offer: Where would we be if no one ever questioned the Powers That Be? Why, therefore, are you not encouraging such questioning?

2. Specify, don’t elaborate.

For all your detailed descriptions, you fail to provide a succinct summary of what, exactly, your delusions comprised.

In other words, what was real and what was just a figment of your (and others’?) imagination(s)?

The clearer you can make your ultimate, final, summary understanding of all your rich descriptions of your experiences, the better off all your readers will be.

To me, a lay person, “delusions” are something imagined but not, in fact, real. Thus, when a person reporting symptoms of Morgellons disease can provide physical evidence of material erupted from his or her skin — or any other kind of physical evidence — I cannot categorize such physical evidence as a “delusion.” It is there; it exists! So it cannot be a “delusion.”

Nevertheless, such physical evidence, in fact, may be due to an unrelated or, at least, not causal event: for example, fibers from one’s bed sheets can be scratched into one’s skin lesions, which fact could explain their apparent emanation from such wounds.

Thus, when Tall Cotton describes the experience of his mother and sister witnessing material he claims came from his own body and “jumped a foot” — what, exactly, precisely, is the delusion? Did his mother and sister, presumably not compromised by any kind of drug addiction, witness this astonishing movement? If so, how can it be categorized as a delusion? Or, did Tall Cotton suffer the delusion that both the movement of this matter and that these witnesses were present (did he hallucinate both the event and those attending it)?

While I appreciate the extent and exactitude you both have demonstrated in your descriptions of your experiences, I feel that what is glaring lacking is a summary statement which categorizes all the experiences you describe as either 1) fact, proven by scientific analysis, or 2) fantasy (delusion). It would help us readers, enormously, for you to do so. (In fact, your failure to do so to this point raises its own questions.)

For those suffering what you suspect to be the same kind of delusions you both experienced, the more clarity you can provide in analyzing them — what, exactly, were the delusions you suffered? what exactly were not delusions? — the better able you will be to counsel fellow sufferers.

Mr. Tall Cotton and Ms. Smileykins (“Mr. & Mrs.” yet?), I applaud your efforts on behalf of all those whom you believe suffer from nothing more than — but every bit as much as — you both have done, delusional parasitosis. My comments are offered only in the belief that, if you sincerely wish to help others, while you may have inadvertently offended and alienated some, you can take steps to avoid doing so in the future. My best wishes for your happiness together and that you can find the way to help the growing number of people who claim to have suffered as you have done, but, as yet, believe their suffering owes to another cause. Which may prove to be the case. I encourage you both to stay open in your hearts and minds. At this point, who really knows (besides, of course, yourselves)?

With love and support for your efforts, yours faithfuly

DHB

Sarah B-Dunn says:

“I really want to know what are the chances of passing on this so called “delusional” disorder, which has very stricking physical and mental symptoms, to my unborn child. Yes I am, if you were wondering.”

Gillian, indeed it is possible to pass on a delusional disorder, in about 50% of cases. It’s a situation called Folie-a-deux, meaning “folly of two.” Just like yawning, itching is also contagious.

Michael says:

I can not understand why it will take the CDC close to the end of 2007 to figure this out, and hundreds of thousands of dollars??

Well, let’s see, salary and additional costs for ten people (doctors and psychiatrists) for six months. $500,000 (at least)

Why six months? What do you think they are doing? They have to filter through thousands of cases, examine each one, see if there is anything significant in common, then find those people who seem to have the common factors, and follow up with them to see if they really do.

It’s complicated.

Life is complicated. Inappropriate simplification is a keystone of delusion.

Gillian, a team of ten doctors could probably work on JUST YOU for six months, at a cost of $500,000. DO you think they would cure you?

gobucky says:

DHB said: “To me, a lay person, “delusions” are something imagined but not, in fact, real. Thus, when a person reporting symptoms of Morgellons disease can provide physical evidence of material erupted from his or her skin — or any other kind of physical evidence — I cannot categorize such physical evidence as a “delusion.” It is there; it exists! So it cannot be a “delusion.”
_______________________________

Its important to distinguish between delusion and hallucination — to distinguish between misinterpreting reality and perceiving that which does not exist. That’s the difference between someone with Morgellons and someone with schizophrenia.

smileykins says:

DHB, it’s going to take some time to read through your lengthy comment, and correct the different misinterpretations you’d stated about what you think you understood about Tall Cotton and me. That’s just in the beginning, before I’d even made it down to:

May I offer a few suggestions?

From the looks of things, you didn’t wait on a response from either of us.

smileykins says:

DHB, I’d asked how fresh your introduction to “morgellons disease” was the other day. I don’t appreciate your advice. We have plenty of past dealings, and tried it all, before they began coming here and attacking us. If they want a shoulder to cry on, they know where to go. All I’ll do is correct the key things you misstated, before that.

1. That was a mere summary on our blog
2. I gave a history of my health and stated the reason why
3. Neither of us had “classic delusional parasitosis”– We didn’t burn things, move to different homes, lose relationships, run to doctors, beg for pity, need anyone to believe anything
4. You mentioned “lifelong illnesses” again — Reactions to cat scratches and eczema have been all that I suppose you can call lifelong, but they are both avoidable
5. No, dehydration and the aforementioned things didn’t bring on DOP
6. No, “everyone else reporting similar symptoms” is most definitely not “suffering from the same delusional parasitosis”
7. You said, that we both believe “the sooner those professing to suffer from Mogellons disease accept this fact, as you both have done, the sooner they will find relief, as you both have done” — NO. Not at all. They need to take antipsychotics. We didn’t. Most of them have what you called “classic” DOP. TC and I had secondary organic DOP. Many of theirs’ is stemming from a mental disorder they aren’t treating. Ninety-five percent of them have seen an average of 10-40 doctors and been diagnosed, repeatedly, with DOP.
8. “the sooner our government will be freed from such time-consuming and costly tax-payer-paid investigations by the Centers for Disease Control” — They forced them into it, so I want the use of money & effort to translate into strong action.

Michael says:

I’m turning off moderation, since I don’t have time right now to keep checking this site every day. So freewheel for a while. We’ll see how it goes.

I might not be reading all the comments, so if you want a response, email me.

smileykins says:

DHB, all the “morgellons” quacks say what Gillian cheered you for. Lint, fibers, and all that crap, has notoriously been what DOP patients retrieve from their skin, and always has been. Nobody has said that there isn’t THAT STUFF residing on them. When they go to a doctor with it, and say whatever it is that they say, about how they interpret it, that thought is way, way, way, way out there. So are yours.

smileykins says:

Try and hold steady, Gillian, you’re bending like a willow, back and forth. Please be careful.

smileykins says:

One last thing:

Specify, don’t elaborate

Okay. If I were off in the head and a threat to myself and others, and didn’t have sense enough to know I was broadcasting it to the world, and petitioning my government to help me with it……..

There, is that specific, without elaborating any further towards my point???

Gillian says:

Smileykins said:

Try and hold steady, Gillian, you’re bending like a willow, back and forth. Please be careful.

I will try ok. I know I bend all over the place, I am really trying so damn hard.

I am careful, but what do I need to be careful of??? That is what is so confusing to me. The whole Morgies thing just seems so political, and secretative I find that really hard to deal with.

I feel as though everyone else knows exactly what is going on apart from me. Okay I read this blog and understand most of the stuff, but something is not right.

Thanks for the advice, I do hope you understand what I am saying. I am honest and always have been, I hate conflict and I don’t want to fight or argue with anyone here because it really isn’t healthy for my mind/body.

smileykins says:

Bending like a willow is a good thing, as we go through discovering things, Gillian. I’ve told you I admire your courage, and I certainly mean that. You have a sense of self and you know that you have a unique place reserved for you, and you, alone, in the universe. When I’d said to be careful, I’d meant to try and hold steady to the present, out of concern that the influential pro-morgellons’s thoughts will transfer back into your psyche again. Forward, to the future.

I like simple things in life that are easily attainable.

Me too. That’s a very good sign, because only people living in fear of the deception of their own senses keep looking for answers in a realm of science fiction, that has nothing to do with reality. It will go on forever, for some people, until any number of compounding tragedies stops it. The alternative would be that they would survive it, let down their guard, as you have, and change.

smileykins says:

How long have you had “morgellons disease” DHB? You’re not another one of Aherahs’s personalities, by any chance, are you?

smileykins says:

DHB, I feel you probably do deserve more attention over your problem with Tall Cotton and me.

You’d overlooked my having said:

Now, I have read your extensive advice, DHB. Considering the circumstances behind it, I don’t mind too much of anything you said, except, I don’t like your telling us what we believe and how we believe.

When someone has bothered you to the extent that we, inadvertently, have, and you need to work your way through it, the easiest thing for you to do is to ask questions. We’re not as dense as you’d like to fool yourself into believing. You’ve been pretty deeply offended, so you’ve meant to try disrespecting us, by telling us what our minds, and our experiences, are, and were, and by asking if you could give us your advice. You went ahead, after asking, without allowing us to answer whether you could. Topping this off, you’d visited our blog, and left not a word. It’s possible, maybe, that you wouldn’t have misunderstood us, nearly as badly, if you’d read the comments there, too.

You don’t seem to understand that I would have named our blog anything other than “The LIE Of Morgellons”, if I’d wanted to attract morgie people to it. I just usually direct them there when they come at me a-lyin’ & a-bitchin’for no reason. If they have a reason, they won’t tell it. But, like you, they bring it all here. How you’ve gathered that we’d gotten our feelings injured from rejection is beyond me. Tell ya what….

I’ll start all over, just for you, and pretend like I’ve just heard of “morgellons disease” recently. These are a few things I want to know: I’d like to hear any justifiable reason why these patients obsess over, and vehemently defend, a similarly described, and named after, 17th century non-existent disease, rather than treating what they’ve been diagnosed with. I’d like hearing any views on why they all fail to acknowledge every ramification that stems from that refusal to treat, as well. I’m most curious of all, what the real anticipated hope of the morgellons’ movement is. I’d appreciate having these things defined to me, by victims of the proclaimed malady, to keep me from incorrectly assuming anything.

DHB, I’m not obligated to play in this deadly game of deception. They aren’t fooling anyone but themselves. These sick people are broadcasting themselves all over the place, but they can’t tell others anything, directly, other than to dare us to hug them, take a bath with them, sleep in their beds, or bet that we’re afraid to do any of those said things. They shut themselves off from reality and want no part of it. They drill us, here, with questions, threaten us, lie about us, and demand credentials, giving nothing of value to us in exchange. (Except for Gillian. She’s all right.) “If” someone told you that TC and I exited their message boards due to their hurting our feelings, that is purely someone showing more of this phenomenon to you. It’s a lie.

Gillian can tell you. She came along here, programmed, herself, carrying out direct orders from Mary Leitao. Read here, and you’ll see it, if you’re not a blast from the past, and already know. I’m sorry, if you aren’t, but there’s something up. If not, and this illness is a thing you want to delve into, and be part of, then by all means, enjoy it, I suppose, if that is how you’re so inclined. If not, you’ll tire of it, throw your hands up, and leave them to be as they wish. Many of them are doing unthinkable things, and breaking laws, neglecting innocent ones that they’re in charge of. People that selfish, are as bad as off as it gets. I don’t like others falling into the pit, but it appears to seem very, very attractive to some people.

Just don’t you worry yourself about TC and me. I’m not feeling your histrionic well wishes, so pass them on to someone else who might need them from you. I’m up front with saying I don’t know how to deal with morgie people, and I don’t usually baby them here. They enjoying saying that they aren’t in need of mental help, so I often deal with them just like I would any disrespectful adult, when they’re outside of their forums. I think that’s as good as I can be towards them. So, take your tit, now, and stick it in your tat, DHB. Only because you’d asked, I’ll work on forgiving you. I sometimes make comments, impulsively, and ask forgiveness afterwards. You’ve put an awful lot of effort into yours, for some reason, but maybe you feel better, by now. I know I always do when good communication results from misunderstandings.

Gillian says:

Gillian can tell you. She came along here, programmed, herself, carrying out direct orders from Mary Leitao. Read here, and you’ll see it, if you’re not a blast from the past, and already know. I’m sorry, if you aren’t, but there’s something up. If not, and this illness is a thing you want to delve into, and be part of, then by all means, enjoy it, I suppose, if that is how you’re so inclined. If not, you’ll tire of it, throw your hands up, and leave them to be as they wish. Many of them are doing unthinkable things, and breaking laws, neglecting innocent ones that they’re in charge of. People that selfish, are as bad as off as it gets. I don’t like others falling into the pit, but it appears to seem very, very attractive to some people.

Dangerous territory that little ol pit ya know.

DHB when I first heard of Morgellons just a little over 2 years ago my inner voice said the following to me;

“Morgellons Disease?? I think it could end up being a name I wish I had never heard of.”

My advice to you DHB would be; if you have just learnt of Morgellons, please do yourself a BIG favour, leave the investigational work to the CDC Taskforce.

I would love to give you some more advice, but it is still early days for me, and I don’t like to think about the past too much just at the present.

Morgellons is dangerous territory, please try not to get involved. Leave it to the CDC, please.

Good luck.

P.S. I do have a little bit of advice DHB

Smileykins said:

If not, and this illness is a thing you want to delve into, and be part of, then by all means, enjoy it, I suppose, if that is how you’re so inclined.

DHB – if you do decide to delve deep, or even be part of it, when things get tough it isn’t pretty, and the end result can be suicidal ideation or even suicide.

Take care please.

smileykins says:

Oh, you’re welcome, Gillian. It’s the truth!! You’ve got so much strength, and courage, and I sense that you’ve always known you can develop it even further than you can imagine. You’re tuning in, and turning on to a good thing.

Don’t try reading too much into my saying that we have plenty of past dealings, and “tried it all”, DHB. We couldn’t even get off the ground with real communication in morgieville. Others can vouch for how it is, there. They come here, and it’s the same. Now that I’ve slept on it, I forgive you due to my misunderstanding of your intentions, too. If you’d answered for me, how many days you were actually into this, it would have been assisted me. We all fail, at times, in saying what we mean, and meaning what we say, and, to me, you’d sounded real sure of your intentions. Please try appreciating that TC and I are very strong spirits. He’s a lot sweeter than I am, and until I met him, I’d never asked advice from another person, about anything, in my entire life. That’s the truth!! So, the perversion of what our truths are, and your advice, had to be settled. It’s behind me, now.

Gillian says:

I thought this joke was very funny!

Subject: Women!

Driving to the office this morning on the A50, I looked over

to my right and there was a woman in a brand new BMW doing 90 miles

per hour with her face up close to her rear view mirror putting on her

eyeliner!

I looked away for a couple of seconds and when I looked back she was

halfway over in my lane still working on that makeup!

It scared me (and this is coming from a bloke….) so much that I dropped

my electric shaver, which knocked the bacon roll out of my other hand.

In all the confusion of trying to straighten up the car using my knees

against the steering wheel, it knocked my mobile from my ear, which fell

into the coffee between my legs, causing it to splash and burn BIG JIM AND THE TWINS, causing me to scream, which made me drop the

cigarette out of my mouth, ruined my shirt and DISCONNECTED AN IMPORTANT CALL.

Bloody Women Drivers !

Gillian says:

Pregnancy & Sauna
http://pregnancytoday.com/experts/m-sauna.htm

Smileykins, are you able to have a look at this link for me please.

I was going to go to the sauna and swimming pool this morning. Since our hot water system is broken I thought I could have a nice hot shower there also, but after reading this I don’t think I can.

Thanks.

smileykins says:

Gosh, I’m sorry I used the word, “human”, rather than, “baby”, but I’m funny that way. I call them “little people”, because they are. You’re an incubator, now, Gillian!! Hehehe. Do you know how far along you are?

Gillian says:

Humm didn’t think I would get a reply.

Michael, your blog site has been interesting and a curse. I just wanted to tell you and the rest of the world that the “Lie of Morgellons” is ONE BIG FAT LIE. Yes thank you for your help Smileykins and Tallcotton, you have your reasons for why you do what you do, and I have mine. I do know for a fact, the truth of the entire matter though. Please do not continue to hurt the good people, namely the MRF.

Goodnight.

smileykins says:

Oh, no. Once again, and right on time. I expected this the first week of January, or no later than the second, and there you are doing it, Gillian.

Gillian says:

Tall Cotton,

In the past I have heard others say the MRF is cult type behaviour. Since I have never known anything about cults before I could never understand this. Since learning of cults I am still not sure what to think. Morgellons Watch seems like a cult in its self.

All I seem to be told is that the “truth” will one day come out, well that in itself is cult behaviour, and it hurts like hell. I think you know my reasons for doing what I do, I don’t need to explain myself again.

Thank you.

Gillian.

Gillian says:

I am not a member of Lymebusters. I was once upon a time, but I got banned because I came to this blog site. I am banned via my IP address and I have no interest what so ever to go there, and I haven’t.

The truth “is” out! It’s up to an individual figure out which opinions are true and which ones are not. If anyone has difficulty seeing through the morgellons nonsense, and they cannot see that Morgellons is a lie, they may have difficulty believing what the CDC reports.

If Morgellons was a complete lie I personally don’t think the CDC would be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars investigating a lie. Morgellons may not be a distinct disease, but something in our environment is trying to poison a lot of us.

This blog is one man’s personal attempt at debunking an idea that isn’t supported by verifiable evidence.

I am sorry to say but “one man’s personl attempt” is a complete lie. This blog site has such power to always be at the top of the list in Google. This site has got what it always wanted ATTENTION and POWER, and to belittle people. I am sorry but that is the only way I see it.

You speak of verifiable evidence, well I have plenty of evidence and so do a lot of other people, but no one is willing to look at the evidence. I have said in the past this condition can appear to be closely related to Lyme Disease, so then is Lyme Disease a complete lie also? See how insane this whole thing is.

I’m sorry that you find life so confusing.

Life is not confusing, it is people with their own hidden agendas who are driven by money and big business that try to confuse the general public, and I think they are doing a pretty good job.

Do you still loose fibers from your body?? I guess not, I don’t even think you ever did. So it just isn’t worth going around in circles discussing this with you any further. As I said, thanks for your patience and help in the past. I can’t compete with disinformation specialist who do this stuff as a paid full time job.

tallcotton says:

Morgellons Watch is not at the top of the Google listings. I’ve never seen it at the top, either. Type the word, “Morgellons” into Google, and see what you get. Morgellons Research Foundation is number one on the list. That’s the same place it was the last time I looked. Do you actually believe that power is whst puts someone at the top of Google. The position at the top of the list is the site that is recieving the most hits. The MRF is at the top. They certainly don’t have any power. Morgellons Watch is number 9 on the list. It got to that position because it is a very popular website on the topic of Morgellons. Power didn’t do it, and money didn’t do it.

Gillian, you cannot possibly have any evidence that indicates that Morgellons is a disease. You don’t even have any evidence that any of the Morgies have the same illness. Doctors have looked at scabs, hair, cellular debris, and environmental fibers. The Morgies don’t have anything else to offer. There’s nothing else there. The Morgies are mentally ill, and that’s a fact!! If you wanna be one, go right ahead. You’ll fit right in.

No, Lyme Disease isn’t a complete lie. I believe it’s a partial lie, though, and I don’t think that near that many Morgies have Lyme Disease. In fact, I don’t believe in Chronic Lyme Disease.

I’m totally convinced that the CDC knows that Morgellons is DOP. The Morgies may have a variety of other known skin disorders, but Morgellons is nothing but DOP. A lot of pressure was put on the CDC to conduct a formal investigation of Morgellons. The CDC knows that the problem is DOP, but they know that the problem is BIG. How will they deal with all of these crazy people? The Morgies are abusing themselves, their children, and their pets, and the CDC knows it. I don’t know what they are going to do, but it’s going to be very interesting to watch.

Liquid used to shoot out of my skin, through the pores, becoming shaped like a fiber as it was excruded. No, it doesn’t do it now. What you, or anyone else, thinks about my experiences don’t have any bearing on the truth. You think I’m a paid disinformation specialist, and I think you’re a certifiable nut.

Tall Cotton

Gillian says:

Gillian, you cannot possibly have any evidence that indicates that Morgellons is a disease.

I never said it was. This is what I said;

Morgellons may not be a distinct disease, but something in our environment is trying to poison a lot of us.

It is quite okay with me if the CDC annouce that Morgellons turns out to be nothing more that DOP (which I feel is a very serious and real illness). But I’ve told you all a billion times I have never been diagnosed DOP and I have never had a skin examination. I was simiply taken advantage of whilst I was extremely ill and I find the whole thing very very sick and twisted. And a lot of doctors need a MAJOR kick up the bum for not doing their jobs properly. That is a FACT and that is what has happened to me in this country.

You think I’m a paid disinformation specialist

Either that TC or you have a major issue with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

and I think you’re a certifiable nut

Well gee thanks mate! takes one to know one hey?!

Jester says:

This is pretty amusing – Gillian, think about it. Lymebusters chucked you out for VISITING A WEBSITE. Think about it. Something’s wrong there.

smileykins says:

Gillian, I distinctly recall that you’d once said that you’d thought that your mom had been the reason that you’d gotten diagnosed with DOP, because she’d told you to take things in to a doctor. There have been many things said about that time, when you had to go into the facility, since you’d said that. Maybe you weren’t aware that you’d said it. You did, though.

tallcotton says:

Gillian also told us, repeatedly, that she is DOP. She also admitted that Morgellons isn’t a disease. She also said that Morgellons is DOP. Well, we already knew all of that, but it was nice hearing her speak the truth, while it lasted.

TC

Gillian says:

None of you are worth talking to anymore, I got better things to do with my life, you obviously haven’t.

Have a nice life, that is if you can get one.

Smileykins says:

Please don’t get mad, and act that way, Gillian. You can make it. Ironically, as I was waiting to get to a recent comment SBD had made today, the things I’d referred to jumped right out at me. Due to my computer moving slowly, from some problems I’d had with it, there they were as I was waiting on the page to load.

Under Wymore Breaks With MRF…

Gillian said…

#70 SarachConnor (abac68) Says:
August 4th, 2006 at 10:57 pm

London – My partner and I took some human all wormer at lunch time, I am not taking the antibiotics and I feel GOOD. More grounded.

I know that you’re somewhat cognizant of it, to a certain extent, Gillian, but, like I’d said…

# Smileykins Says:
August 27th, 2006 at 12:52 am

Too many are unaware that they go in and out of changing their tales on things, and that their words have been left behind to show it.

Excerpt from comment #418
Gillian/SarachConnor/abac68 said:

This is TRUE – She made me take in a container what came out of my skin (by the way it did). It was the only specimen I kept, purely because it was a horrible experience, my skin was ill. I was trying to think ahead, just in case anyone ever asked. I didn’t WANT TO DO THAT

Good luck. Hang on and just do the right thing.

Smileykins says:

I wish the perpetrators would be snared properly in their trap, for doing this to the most vulnerable people there are. The “creator”, and “the experts”. “You could say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.”

tallcotton says:

Hello Lurkey,

The site owner is tending to some other business at the present time, but thanks for visiting the blog. He will probably see your posts after he returns. Join the discussions any time you like. We talk a quite a bit with the Morgies, so we aren’t real accustomed to compliments. Thanks.

Tall Cotton

N41YOCMV7AdgO says:

sorry-

now what?

Smileykins says:

Now what?

Morgie people can’t understand, same as always. It isn’t that they can even try, which is what’s so sad. The CDC has to fully, and thoroughly, complete what was started, since the media has spread the unnecessary public fear. This neglected section of our society has always been under served, and some truths have been proven, but morgies don’t ever grasp any of the ramifications of their actions.

I’d like to repeat that quote from comment #103, switching the original order, to read more appropriately…

We must not allow the reality that is the true nature of this affliction to be diagnosed for us. We fail in this task at our peril and at the cost of our health and lives.

Those who do not define and empower their own destiny as it pertains to this issue will soon find it defined and scripted for them.

Sometimes, he tries so hard to say something, despite himself. Of course, all that morgies draw from any of the writings, is that if it doesn’t make sense, it makes perfect sense.

Smileykins says:

Sorry, a woman who thinks she has “morgellons disease” is gonna be on that day.

Sarah B-Dunn says:

Smiley, how did you come by this informational tidbit?

Starlink says:

good article at http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53761

Smileykins says:

Whoa, I didn’t mean that. I only meant reporters spreading one-sided morgellons’ propaganda. The spread of cysticercosis is news worthy.

Smileykins says:

I’m retracting my statement: “The spread of cysticercosis is news worthy.” I wasn’t seeing that article in its full light. My gosh.

tallcotton says:

Southcity,

You’ve gotta be the most dense SOB that ever lived. You’ve been told the truth, over and over, and you’re apparently either too dense to comprehend it, or such a pathological liar that you can’t admit it.

Tall Cotton

Coveredinfur says:

smelly cans retract ya head from up ya arse babe

Smileykins says:

Now South, I’d just recently tried to humor you — we all did — and I even answered all of your questions, in depth. Do you think that any of the doctors you all have gone to, don’t know that all the talking, and any amount of testing, would never satisfy anything for you? And, also, once again, I’d only asked YOU those itsy-bitsy little key questions that you’ve ignored before. I knew it wasn’t allowed. Just look back at how mad it made you storm out. And, now this.

You morgie people really can’t understand it, but you should not expect to get favorable reactions from people that you’re around, including your doctors, from being less than something resembling mature adults. South, since I’ve declined a request concerning the upcoming program on the 25th, would you be interested in returning the call I got from The Dr. Phil Show, if I emailed the number to you, and you could direct him to that page you’ve constructed, and volunteer it to be read on the air?

Your on line track record proves that you know nothing about being honest and a whole lot more. South, I’ve reiterated that a decade ago, I was disabled from an incomplete spinal cord injury. I’ve addressed it with others, just like you — who also go on the attack, with lies, when their disease is spoken about for what it is — that I spend a lot of nights in severe pain, with nothing to take for it. I don’t earn a living, and we’ve been through that before, too. You well remember the lie that you’d brought here to spread — which other people, just like you, don’t know any better than to believe — about your having tracked TC’s & my identities, as well as all of our past and present employers. You’re such a pathological liar, South.

All I can do is continue being honest with you. I have my reasons for hating “this disease”, that you all seem to embrace and defend. If you really love it, I wish you could just keep it to yourselves and stop harming others with it. Many of you know that you’re mentally ill, and in some of the worst ways. Morgie message boards are like an on line asylum. I hate it. Rather than reasoning things out and calling yourselves into question, just look at ya. You really think it doesn’t show, and can be blamed on “morgellons”. I hate this, but it is morbidly fascinating, and I really am at a loss over all this rebel without a cause crap. I don’t attach stigma to mental illness — y’all, yourselves, do. Otherwise, you’d treat it like the rest of society. You’re all really giving mental illness a very, very, bad name.

You really can’t help it, everyone else knows, and that is what really makes me wanna scream.

Like these excerpts from the quotes I’d posted, previously:

We must not allow the reality that is the true nature of this affliction to be diagnosed for us.

And:

Those who do not define and empower their own destiny as it pertains to this issue will soon find it defined and scripted for them.

(It shows, South. Treat it, and be better. We’re no threat to it by talking about it.)

southcity says:

Smileykins,
Absolutely, I will accept that phone number. You asked me above what drives me, and the answer is very simple. You all are wrong about this not being something new and emerging, and because I do not want to see people go through this unnecessarily, I believe it is important that people start discussing this without having to become infected themselves. This includes you guys too. So please, give up that phone number, and let Dr. Phil give his opinion of me. By the way, i am quite familiar with his thoughts and agree with most things he says, so this indeed would be very good towards recognition, or be a very good way to get me to shut up.

South

Sarah B-Dunn says:

South says:

“You all are wrong about this not being something new and emerging”

You’re welcome to show us evidence for this claim, at any time. No links, but in a concise, synthesized way.

South says: “Let Dr. Phil give his opinion of me. By the way, i am quite familiar with his thoughts and agree with most things he says”

As a fan of Dr. Schwartz and Dr. Martin, and now Dr. Phil, you seem to be a fan of everyone who has lost their license because of ethical violations.

tallcotton says:

Well…. Is Doctor Phil gonna be on here? I’m just trying to piece things together. hehehehe.

http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=display&thread=1168908282

Oh, there’s something here for everyone. What a tongue. hehehehe.

http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=display&thread=1168977683

tallcotton says:

Sarah B-Dunn,

First I’ll start with the bottom link. Can you go to the New Morgellons Order. It’s got a new picture on that Quotes page with all of the Derms, the ones that they modified. It has your picture there with a forked tongue. And it has a made up story about how you conned them into giving information about their DOP.

At lmyebusters what Chas did was post the link to NMO. Under that, in the replies, there are people complaining because the topic of his lymebusters post makes it sound like you are dead. It says, “In Memory of Sarah Bione”.

I’ll gather up some stuff on the other post. It’s where everyone there is talking Smileykins going on the Dr. Phil Show.

Tall COtton

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

I think that Chas is just as crazy as his Morgie wife. In fact, he sounds like a full blown nutcase.

TC

tallcotton says:

And Valarie doesn’t have a clue. Smileykins has 8 pets, and she cares more about animals than anyone I have known. In fact, one of the things that angers her so, is the way that so many Morgies abuse their pets. Morgies say the first things that come into their sick minds.

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

They seem to have something inside them that rises up and shudders in fear and trembling when it hears the truth. They reject common sense and logical thought, and repaint every picture with distorted colors. They make it obvious to the world that their minds aren’t functioning properly, and they are by far their own worse enemies. They can’t see that their very best efforts only reveal their insanity. They’re too far gone to help themselves but they curse every hand that reaches out to help them. Something in them hates the truth with a fervent passion.

Tall Cotton

Smileykins says:

Yes, precisely. And it’s incredible how everything they do to try furthering their cause, appears to them in such a completely opposite manner from reality. Indeed, we’ve never seen anything like this, before, displayed publicly by a group of people. All the while they repeat such things to us as, “seeing is believing”, they really just aren’t aware that others’ cognitive skills aren’t lacking, nor are they distorted. They don’t have the capacity to absorb that they’re the ones who’ve been diagnosed with a delusional disorder, and that we do see, and that we do know, why they’re in such states as they are. The reality they’re experiencing is not the same as the general public. They know that. Yet, they are upset with us all for knowing better, because, yes, “seeing is believing”.

tallcotton says:

Oh, they’re going crazy over there, talking about putting Dr. Phil’s broadcast on Youtube, and violating his copyrights in order to get attention.

smileykins says:

TO THE MORGIE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING, I AM NOT GOING TO BE ON THE DR. PHIL SHOW ON JANUARY 25th. LOOK. I CONDENSED EVERYTHING THAT I”VE MENTIONED. ASK ONE OF YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS TO DECIPHER IT FOR YOU

#125 Smileykins Says:
January 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

Watch The Dr. Phil Show on Thursday, January 25th.

#126 Smileykins Says:
January 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pm

Sorry, a woman who thinks she has “morgellons disease” is gonna be on that day.

#141 Smileykins Says:
January 14th, 2007 at 3:59 am

(excerpt)

South, since I’ve declined a request concerning the upcoming program on the 25th, would you be interested in returning the call I got from The Dr. Phil Show, if I emailed the number to you, and you could direct him to that page you’ve constructed, and volunteer it to be read on the air?

#143 southcity Says:
January 15th, 2007 at 8:21 pm

Smileykins,
Absolutely, I will accept that phone number. You asked me above what drives me, and the answer is very simple. You all are wrong about this not being something new and emerging, and because I do not want to see people go through this unnecessarily, I believe it is important that people start discussing this without having to become infected themselves. This includes you guys too. So please, give up that phone number, and let Dr. Phil give his opinion of me. By the way, i am quite familiar with his thoughts and agree with most things he says, so this indeed would be very good towards recognition, or be a very good way to get me to shut up.

South

#144 Smileykins Says:
January 15th, 2007 at 11:44 pm

Let me explain why I offered the number to you, first, South. The guy wanted me to send him my picture, and a letter to be read on the show on January 25th. I declined, but when I saw the effort you’d put into dedicating your special blog to me,I was being sarcastic, considering that maybe you could offer that to the show on my behalf. I spoke to the guy for ten minutes, but like I’d said, I’m not totally clear why the woman who thinks she has “morgellons disease” is going to be on the show that day. I’m not sure if she is a “die-hard morgie”, or if she has been troubled with the publicity that a “new disease” is going around, and seeking assurance from Dr. Phil to put her fears to rest. What the show wants, and what you have in mind, are two different things. I think you may hear Dr. Phil’s opinion on January 25th, whether you contact them personally, or not.

Starlink says:

I’m going on Oprah and will explain nothing about everything just like you guys.

smileykins says:

Cognitive dysfunction, and underlying mental conditions contributing to delusional states, can pretty much take a person anywhere, and have them doing just about anything. Get a bunch of people together, apparently enjoying, and defending their rights to that state of existence, and how is our society expected to react to it?

Morgie people have wanted recognition. If they didn’t crave the attention, the movement wouldn’t have begun.

How hard is this?

*If you don’t want attention drawn to yourselves:

STOP MAKING PUBLIC SPECTACLES OF YOURSELVES

Oh, I forgot. They DO want attention.

*If you’re miserable and don’t like the delusional states you’re in:

TAKE THE MEDICINE FOR IT

Oh, but THEY DO enjoy it

*If people are concerned about your welfare:

BE AS UGLY ACTING TO THEM AS YOU CAN

Just don’t act surprised if they’ll only take it from you for so long, before they leave

I wonder if they ever think of where they’re headed?

smileykins says:

Excuse me. I didn’t mean do people walking away from morgies wonder where they’re headed. I’d meant, of course, that I wonder if morgie people can think on such a level as to realize where “they” are headed. There’s so much obvious turmoil, and contradiction, in their thoughts, I doubt they really can realize it, even though they say they do. They sure can’t understand us, any easier than we can understand them, but they sure are in need some medicine, and of someone to be in charge of their affairs.

Starlink says:

Does anyone have an education beyond 12th grade in this group?

tallcotton says:

What group are you referring to? The whole world, except for the Morgies, are in this “this” group. Do you wanna join? Do you have any credentials to show that you aren’t a Morgie? How about an oath? Will you make an oath?

TC

tallcotton says:

I was a Morgie only in the sense that I had DOP. My DOP was drug induced. I didn’t have any underlying mental illness. At first I thought I had USPI, but I never believed I had a disease, or that it was Morgellons. Nor did I ever believe that they all have the same thing. Most of them were friendly with me, until I got well, then they hated my guts. They “really” hated me when I tried to help them out of that darkness.

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

A Morgie recently asked what laws were broken by the people who poisoned them.

Well, let’s see. Some of the Morgies have acquired prescription drugs without a prescription. Some have lied in order to acquire veterinary supplies for themselves. Some have used pesticides in a manner that was not in accordance with the directions on the label. Yes, Morgies have poisoned themselves, and they have done their level best to destroy their own lives, and they continue to do so, and brag about it.

They talk about criminal neglect from the medical community. But they suffer from self-abuse. They talk about the criminal silence of the CDC. Yet, thus far, they have ignored the instructions of the CDC, and they are poised to accuse the CDC of conspiring against them. They want the CDC to do their job right, but they don’t want to give them the time required to accomplish it.

Morgies are a minority, a very, very, small minority. But, unlike most other minorities, almost everything a Morgie attempts to do is self-defeating. This isn’t because anyone else is against them. It’s because they live in a self-perpetuated delusion.

Tall Cotton

smileykins says:

Now, have I said, anywhere, that morgie people haven’t got “something” going on with their skin? Nope, I never have, and I never will. Quite a few look like they have pretty good skin, though. But, some have plastic surgeons. Still, only they know the answers (sort of) to that situation, and whether they have any hint of a clue as to what they’re doing, and/or whether they’ve received appropriate diagnoses over it. Of course, only their doctors know the honest answers to that.

Not for them, but for anyone who knows better, and has a morgie person in their life that they’re trying to help — if you want to “attempt” to try helping them with a new “possible” method, as a first new step you may have not tried before, maybe if you used this link as a source to assist them in identifying the things they’re compelled to pick out of their skin, you might “almost find a way of beginning to try reaching them”. It is an excellent source of quality information that covers all of the things they’re misinterpreting, stemming from such things as granulomatous and/or perivascular lymphocytic inflammation. Here is the main page, and please hang onto it, and good luck, in trying to help the morgie person in your life explore it with you.

http://www.mcl.tulane.edu/classware/pathology/medical_pathology/InflamDermato/index1.html

As the gentleman who authored it said:

I don’t expect this material to be widely distributed to, or even greatly sought after by, most residents and fellows; perhaps, the act of having prepared this material is more indicative of an attempt to find vindication for my fading ambitions (and failing abilities) than an act by which a serious teaching aid has been structured. In any case, I would be pleased, if a resident, having availed himself of the material, finds new insights and both a deeper understanding of, and appreciation for, the significance of patterns when viewing a histologic section of an inflammatory lesion of the skin. This is not a multi-authored effort. No copy editor has reviewed the material. I have had more trouble with the software and digitization than with the description of the pathologic changes associated with disease. Whatever has been accomplished, a great deal of work has been expended.

As I said, it excels in its presentation, and I encourage looking at it in depth, but a quality sample can be found here, if you need more convincing.

http://www.mcl.tulane.edu/classware/pathology/medical_pathology/InflamDermato/S12C6Granuloma/s12c6granuloma.htm

As we all know, it is their minds’ misinterpretation of things, more than it is a skin matter. Such as, for one example, mothers with children on medications, like Ritalin, for behavioral disorders. Those medications have side effects that can induce children to think bugs are crawling on them. These hysterical mothers aren’t aware of that. I have read on morgie boards that they think parasites are to blame for their children having a behavioral disorder!! God, help them all.

tallcotton says:

Ah! The arguing was more interesting than their nonsense research, and probably more productive. Yeah, we’ll probably get the credit for that, since Morgies love to play the blame game. Tho’ it’s a lot of fun, it’s pretty ridiculous for one nut to tell another nut that they’re crazy. They’ve all gone plumb bannanas. hehehehe

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

Sarah,

My point issn’t that both the Government and the Morgies are guilty. My point is that the Morgies have poisoned themselves and blamed it on the Government. By their own admission, the Morgies are guilty of self-abuse, and their actions, although stupid, are quite deliberate. If any Morgie has evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the Government, they should come forward and present it, but I think we can safely assume that they don’t. The truth is quite foreign to most Morgies, and the finger of blame should be pointed inward, at themselves.

Tall Cotton

Starlink says:

What is Small and Smelly education level?

tallcotton says:

Transhumanist,

You don’t need an invitation to come over here and read, or to participate in the discussions here, but that’s what this is, and invitation. I’d like for you to consider the fact that the Morgies are suffering from a wide variety of physical health problems, plus delusional disorders. I believe that if you read Michael topics of discussion, you would change your viewpoints. I think you belong over here with us.

Tall Cotton

Smileykins says:

Any inaccurate statements that a morgie sees made about them, they need to just speak up to us, and get an open dialogue going. Michael’ blog, where he allows genuine freedom of speech, is the place to do it. The countless experiences we’ve had with these people have proven that they don’t answer questions. They’ve shown that they prefer cutting themselves off from outside communications, too. They want to be understood, right? Well, they are, aren’t they? Maybe Norman can tell us, once again, anything we’re missing.

But, anyway, concerning the person on the soapbox recently about government poisonings, it’s like Mary Leitao finally got around to warning her people, last year — not out of concern for their well-being, obviously, or she’d have been pleading with them to stop, all along — but, apparently, rather, to try having them clean for her upcoming studies…

Please know that hope truly is on the horizon. Please do not poison your body with pesticides and toxic chemicals while this mystery is unfolding. You must remain as healthy as possible…

…the only thing involving any poisonings of morgies, that’s linked, in any remote way, to the government, is through the pesticides so many of them use, to try killing something they think are worms and/or bugs. All pesticides are distinctly marked:

DIRECTIONS FOR USE

It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

And, that guy, The Bug Man is so off base in telling the morgies that he thinks the inert ingredients in pesticides might be the cause of their problems. Pesticides cause cancer and birth defects.

Remember Wymore & Casey’s Letter to Physicians:

Many of these patients may appear skeptical of traditional medical care due to frequent dismissal of their symptoms in the past. The combination of suffering from a chronic disease with distressful symptoms and no known cause or cure can cause some patients to appear anxious or agitated.

I gave some of my opinions on that, back in the spring, and Papa Smurf, a former DOP patient, who just so happened to have been someone that had used pesticides, himself, said that I was right on about it. Of course, not all of these patients do that, and a lot of the conditions they aren’t treating can make them appear as described.

Do you know that not only morgie critters can increase your cleavage, Jeeze Louise, but nanorobots are even in some patients bosoms?

Andy Coyle says:

I was given a one time tratment of ivermectin (weighed then dose dispensed) by the Tropical disease hospital london. So joke not

Andy Coyle says:

All you morgellons disease doubters and cynics go and have a look at the firs captured images of a living organism moving that is the cause of this disease. You are welcome to contact me if you want to hear about my seven-year suffering with this disease. I live in London and did not even know there was a disease listed as morgellons until 2006, or that it was the same as the disease I had been suffering from for the last seven-years documented.

All-comers doubters welcome to view on youtube at

/watch?v=g1MPArQLsLI

Also

/watch?v=NKW0bCcfvPE

tallcotton says:

Something moving. Is that your proof? The video is so out of focus, I’m not even sure if I was looking at the right thing. I’d be embarassed to show that video to anyone, much less use it as evidence of anything.

I don’t care what you find moving, there is no Morgellons Disease, unless you want to give that name to your delusional disorder. It already has one name, though, and it’s called DOP.

It’s time you Morgies learn how this so-called “disease” was invented, and how a crazy woman used a group of vulnerable people to push her agenda. Anyone that looks as hard as you people do, are going to find something that you don’t understand.

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

Smileykins,

I’ll bet you can’t count the times you’ve read their reports of phenomena that they didn’t understand, that they called evidence, and even proof? I’m talking about phenomena that you understood, and knew wasn’t evidence at all, nor anything of the sort. They try to be scientists, but they simply do not understand the elements or the forces involved in their observations. They also color everything with such a strong bias that they can never know the truth.

Tall Cotton

Smileykins says:

The dopers and all the others that make them fall harder with their conspiracy theories, I know, can’t help being sick either. They’re all in dire straits, utterly as doomed as doomed gets, but they all seem to be totally convinced that we don’t think they are. We know how profound the seriousness of their illness is, and that they aren’t making any of their experiences up. I believe them.

Andy Coyle says:

Seven-years only last year did I find out that I was sharing symptoms with others.

All documented

I am not angry at you that you do not believe, even my wife did not believe until she witnessed me recording the evidence I have made available to everyone via the web.

When I recorded it I had only cae out of the shower ten-minutes before and when I felt them start to emerge I recordedusing a ebcam that has a light arra I turned the focus up to full magnification.

There are many of these emerging from my body and hair. I am to be seen again at the Tropical Disease Clinic where hopefully this time, unlike previously, I will not be disregarded as delusional and an attempt will be made to identify this organism and cure its dreadful effects.

I write to you with the understanding of how hard it is to believe in this yet I know you mean no harm, you, like all other doubters, need to see something to believe it.

Andy

Smileykins says:

Well, thank you, Andy, because I know that anyone trying to get someone to have a full understanding of something like this, has no reason to get mad, and realizes that it’s counterproductive to. But, ninety-nine percent of people who think they have something called “morgellons disease” do get extremely angry.

Since the Tropical Disease Clinic once treated you with one course of ivermectin, as you’d previously stated, like I’d asked, what did you have then?

There is a particular guy with quite a big production of a web site, on “morgellons disease”, in which he claims that he’d actually had parasites. Quite a few, if you’ll notice, and he also lists DOP as a diagnosis he’s, apparently, since, received. Of course, there is no way of knowing what this person has, or doesn’t have, just as nobody should take advice from any unreliable source of information. He has, possibly, either actually had parasites, and after treating them, went on to develop delusional parasitosis, or he’s mixed up about a lot of things.

BUT…HE IS SELLING SOMETHING, SO I WOULDN’T BELIEVE ANY OF IT.

MY PAST PHYSICIAN DIAGNOSES:

#1. Asian Creeping Nematode
#2. CLM-STRONGYLOIDES
#3. RAT MITES/ BIRD MITES/ BED BUGS
#4. SCABIES
#5. BODY LICE
#6. MANGE
#7. DELUSIONS OF PARASITOSIS

All above abnormalities are considered to be caused by parasites.

Which one of these diagnoses have you received?
Contact People in Paul’s Healing Group

I know that site is responsible for a lot of the morgie people who go on and on about people in China having what they have. They can’t help how mixed up they are, but they are, and they know they are.

Now, Andy, I was sitting here, yesterday, as I was viewing your videos, and the sunlight came shining through my window very brightly. A piece of house dust, in the form of a tiny white fiber, looking very similar to whatever is seemingly attached on the hair in your production, floated in front of me and landed on my arm.

If I, like all of we homo sapiens, have any type of dust, lint, or any small particles from my environment, caught on my hair, or, more importantly, entrapped within my protective epidermis, inside the acid mantle layer of my stratum corneum, it comes off during bathing, also, just like you described.

Andy, I’m sorry, but sure seems like you have DOP. Especially, if you’ve been diagnosed with it. I’m sorry, but I’d had it before, too, but, I doubt that mine manifested for the same reason yours has.

Smileykins says:

If you just explain what the piece of material on your hair is, in the videos, all of your viewers won’t be guessing what you’ve interpretted, and filmed, Andy.

Smileykins says:

Little old lady from Pasadena, with DOP for past 32 years; Middle-aged farmer from Boise, DOP for past 6 years; Truck driver from Spokane, DOP, since last year; Numerous mothers, with small children suffering side effects from ritalin, who develop symptoms, too; Munchausen Syndrome patients; Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy perpetrators; Patients with neurotic excoriations due to body dismorphic disorder; Patients with obsessive compulsive disorder; Patients with schizoprhenia; Diabetics; Patients with arthritis; Nurses, teachers, doctors, accountants, just to give a mere sampling — every one of them, from everywhere, and from all walks of life, all, thinking they have the same symptoms, etc., etc., etc..

Would they have all MET each other if not for the internet???

Well, would they? They just can’t reason that out, or, that none of them is smarter than any of the doctors they’ve seen. But, they all have one thing in common, and that is, they’ve all had plenty of money to burn on this mess they’re in. It’s more important to them to be right about what their minds have perceived incorrectly, about their bodies, than anything else they’ve ever cared about. Who could be a fan of such tragedy? What pay off is there to be had for it, when they tell us, themselves, where it all leads?

Norman, since you’re so smart, do you have any idea why this is the way it is, other than because of DOP going mainstream, all because of a self confessed needed to be evaluated for Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy mom, coming up with a 17th century misunderstanding of skin properties, and constructing a new disease under the same name?

Jeeezelouise says:

Now Canalon says the “Fiber Disease” thread will never be unlocked. I wonder where they will all go now?

Andy Coyle says:

Sorry for the spelling mistakes , typing a bit poor.

Andy Coyle says:

Tallcotton

This

http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/12/27/npr-morgellons/#comment-17598

has been reported as a fraudulent phishing website

TO W3.ORG

Andy Coyle says:

This post

tallcotton Says:
January 20th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Jeezelouise,

Randy went her board, and London went there and made one post. It looks like Randy is there by herself right now. Her site is located at:

http://unknowndisease.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=bol&action=display&thread=1150257101

Tall Cotton

has been reported to morgellonswatch as an attempt at phishing via their website also it has been reported to w3 and the regular internet authorities

Jeeezelouise says:

Why do you suppose the W3C cares, anyway? They aren’t the Internet police, W3C “develops interoperable technologies (specifications, guidelines, software, and tools) to lead the Web to its full potential.”

And who are the “regular internet authorities”?

Andy Coyle says:

Well it certainly is a front for morgellons group website, i believe, hosted via i google personal webspace on their server.

I sent an email to michael at morgellons watch to notify him

yes he has emailed me and I discussed the morgellons debate with him in 2006

Jeeezelouise says:

So, how does being part of the Morgellonsgroup website (if indeed, it is) constitute phishing or any other sort of shady activity?

And who are the “regular Internet authorities”?

And what do you think Michael should do about it?

Or the W3?

It’s just a website.

Jeeezelouise says:

Okay, I get it. Everyone is out to get you.

My mistake.

Andy Coyle says:

& no i hv nothing 2 hide everything 2 gain fromlistening 2 others

Andy Coyle says:

your stimulant use just exacerbated the organism in your skin and hair follicles. Since you cut down or stopped you have probably noticed vast improvement this would be more to do with your having had the disease for a long time and your body’s ability to coexist with it and your mental acceptance stabilising your concentration upon it and its effects

Andy

Smileykins says:

I’m lost. Who 2? If I’m one, you mean how am I right this minute? Well, I’m just kinda confused, Andy. Thanks, though, if you happened to mean me, but I can’t tell. Yes, I’m just plain confused. Aside from that, I’m doing fine, and good luck with whatever type of parasitic disease you have, and I hope an end is put to it, but it isn’t “morgellons disease”. If you did some looking into the background, with nothing clouding your mind on it, you, and everyone else, would know that. Yeah, I am currently confused. I’ll be all right, though.

Fake Tallcotton (Starlink) says:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070120.wxundiagnosed20/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home

Smileykins says:

Uh-oh, Andy, you just did a really big NO-NO, telling Mr. Tall Cotton what he’d had, and why he’d had it. I’ve tried being understanding, I really have, but you just erased any shadow of doubt that I tried to force.

Right here, though…

I renewed my attempts to get help once again, after seeking support from the highest medical authorities in the land, the equivalent to your Surgeon General, and receiving their written support, I was seen again at tropical disease clinic.

I’d prepare, again, to be told you have one thing, only, if I were in your position. I’m sorry, but you don’t sound too well, Andy.

tallcotton says:

I don’t know what is going on, but I did NOT make that last Tallcotton Post.

Tall COtton

tallcotton says:

Andy,

You sound to me like you’re suffering from paranoid delusions. I don’t know one thing about pfishing. I don’t even know what the word means. I merely posted the URL of a Morgellsons website. I’ve visited the site a few times. We all know the site owner via internet communications.

Now there’s something very strange going on because I did not make post #229. My computer was disconnected at the time. I find it odd that the article is about some woman in London. Is that your handiwork, Andy?
I made the post you referred to but I assure you that #229 wasn’t made by Tallcotton.

I didn’t learn to coexist with any Morgellons pathogen. Let me assure you it does not exist. You may have something, but you don’t have that. You can’t. It’s that simple. Your well wishes mean absolutely nothing me. Have you already forgotten that you accused me of “pfishing”. I assume that is something illegal. I didn’t do anything wrong or illegal, and I really don’t know what you’re talking about.

What would I want you logon information ror. Are you plumb crazy? Your films are totally worthless, and I don’t give a fuck who you are, or anything personal about you. Get a grip on yourself, and if you’re using my name, Tallcotton, I’d appreciate it if you would just use your own name from now on.

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

Hello Jeezelouise… Yeah, I suppose Andy just didn’t want Randy’s website getting any traffic. But if he used my name, which someone did, in post #229, I don’t understand his purpose.

TC

tallcotton says:

Michael,

When you return to your post, will you please see who posted comment #229 in my name. I suspect it was Andy, but I don’t know. Thank You.

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

London,

Well, it’s takes too much gas to send you to the moon, so Pluto is out of the question. But there is is an appropriate wastland right here on earth, that’s large enough to accommodate all of the Morgies. That’s why the fibers were an afterthought. You’ll be needing to keep warm, if you’re gonna survive. This “space” is quite cold, being in Antarctica.

Now, the fibers will be covering your skin like the fur on a polar bear, transparent and hollow. When the rays of the sun strike the fibers, little balls of radiant heat travel down the tube, like firey photons, striking your skin and bringing the temperature up to a level that’s actually quite comfortable. You’ll have to watch out for the bears though.

Tall Cotton

tallcotton says:

Okay, Starlink. Very funny! I’m logged in when I use my name. You aren’t. You’re an imposter. Just remember, what goes around, comes around.

Tall Cotton

Smileykins says:

I’ll tell ya, Norm. It gives the same type of impression as it would if you stated your reasons for believing in it. If you just don’t want to wake up and smell the coffee, fine, but if you genuinely can’t, then, you’ve got yourself a problem, there, in Houston.

Andy Coyle says:

Hi again it is sunday 21/01/07 at 13:57 london time.

Iread from my last post 226 when I went to sleep and shut down my computer

to aswa your 1st question, yes I read your blog and I was wishing you well, both of you, tallcotton and smileykins.

2nd I had nothing to do with the post you believed was done in your name.

I hope that puts your mind at rest

On the subject of telling anyone what is wrong with them I am not attempting to do that

However I believe there is a reason for the medical communities reluctance to act

tallcotton says:

Andy,

The problem is that you are looking for the pathogen of a disease that does not exist, and making observations that you don’t understand. Catch your eltrostatic fiber, discharge it, then see how much life it has.

I caught the culprit that stole my name last night. That was Starlink. I apologize for suspecting you. He came on as you were leaving, and that made me suspicious, but later he made it obvious who he was. I still don’t have a clue what you were referring to with your accusation of pfishing.

Tall Cotton

Sarah B-Dunn says:

Smileykins,

Okay, I’m confused. Is the Dr. Phil thing a joke, or is this something that is actually going to happen?

Smileykins says:

I’m sorry. That was just a little comic relief between Jeezelouise and me, Sarah. Dr. Phil’s guy called me, like I’d said, but I was never going to be on the show. I declined his request to email my picture and my views on “morgellons disease”, to be read on the air. He’d said that a woman who thinks she has “morgellons disease” was going to be on an upcoming show, scheduled to air on January 25th. He didn’t say that the entire show was going to be devoted to “morgellons disease”. I’d understood that he only meant that this person would be in one of the segments. Whether she’s convinced she has it, or whether she’s seeking reassurance from Dr. Phil over its existence, I have no idea. Whether she contacted him, or whether her family arranged for her to be on the show, I have no idea about that, either. I was only told what I was told, when the request was made to me. Guess we’ll see, this coming week, if it makes it on the air, as scheduled. Of course, I’ll be sippin’ lime in a coconut, by then. Hehehe.

Smileykins says:

Typo: I left something out from up there. Like, “non”. Sorry.

Fake Tallcotton (Starlink) says:

Sorry-

That last post was a meth induced brain fart.

Gillian says:

You must literally be “blogging” in your sleep, that is if you do sleep at all.

Gillian says:

Who are the “idiots”??

Gillian says:

Are you not tired of repeating the same old rubbish? You damn well should be.

Besides, this is the worst medical system god ever put breath into.

Doctors – listen up, take ya meds please!

tallcotton says:

Starlink,

We all know that you are posting using the name, Tallcotton. When I use it, I’m signed in, and since you are an imposter, you are not. Now, in my opinion, that is pretty low. In the first place you are lying, and in the second, you are lying about someone else, me. Now, I can take a joke, and it’s funny a time or two, but if it continues, I’ll have to report it to Michael. I can tell you right now, that if I mention it to him, he’s gonna be extremely pissed, and you will probably discover that none of your words will be found on the blog again, not for very long, only long enough for him to see them. Now, you do what you think is right. I could do the same thing with one of your many handles, but I don’t intend to. I just ask you to be honest. You have good things to say, but you need to say them in your own name. Tnanks.

Tall Cotton

If the name isn’t logged in, it isn’t me. Above the post, the name will be clickable. It goes to our blog. Otherwise, it’s phoney.

Jeeezelouise says:

Sorry, SBD. Yes, I was just having a little fun with the Dr. Phil thing.

HOWEVER, if you Google “Smileykins Dr Phil” you WILL get results, so THEREFORE something MUST be going on, and it’s clearly a conspiracy. 😉

Smileykins says:

Sarah, unless they’ve have a change in their scheduling, I am taking the producer’s word about a woman who thinks she has “morgellons disease” being on the program on January 25th. I wasn’t goofing off when I’d said I received a call to participate, and that I declined the request.

Smileykins says:

One simple question, Norman:

What did Tall Cotton do to you?

Michael says:

I’m retiring from Morgellons watch to spend more time with my family.

If other people wish to write articles here, then feel free to do so.

SBD, you are set up as an author already.

Smileykins, I’ve just made you an author. Comment 270 might make a good first article, perhaps a little shorter.

All I ask is that people refrain from personal attacks in the articles, and that they follow the trend of scientific analysis and reporting on the media stories regarding Morgellons and related issues.

tallcotton says:

Michael,

You have done an excellent job of making the truth public. What your readers do with that is not in your hands. If those who are delusional continue on the path they are on, they may wind up with their decisions made for them. But we’ve known all along, that the delusions are unshakable for the people who are suffering from DOP. Nevertheless, there’s a group of people out there that are less visible, and those are the ones that are undecided. And as they near the slipery slopes of the MRF, the Believers forums, the sensationalist news stories, the lies of certain doctors and so-called researchers, with their own personal agenda, usually money, all we can do is hope that this truth will save them from disaster.

Thank you for the many hours you’ve devoted to this cause, and thank you for providing a place for us to add our opinions. You wrote many excellent articles, and you’ve always been more than fair with everbody, enviting open debate with those with opposing viewpoints. I’m sure that Smileykins and Sarah B-Dunn will endeavor to maintain the high standards that you’ve set at Morgellons Watch.

I wish you the best throughout your retirement, good luck and God’s Blessings to you and your family. After you leave Morgellons Watch, don’t forget to visit often. Stay in touch.

Tall Cotton

Smileykins says:

Come here and talk like a man, South, and just answer those little questions I have repeated.

Look, everyone….

http://discussion.crossinglines.net/?cat=2

Smileykins says:

I am positive that you will continue receiving everything that you have coming your way, South, for every one of the lies that you tell.

Smileykins says:

Thanks to “The Morgie Gestapo”, more people can read my stuff, but he’s left some comments out from those three topics he listed. (We weren’t celebrating New Years as early as my last post at 8:30 on December 31st. Hehehe.)

Among his falsehoods, he thinks we’re doing this…

And without doubt are the cause of many investigations being canceled or delayed, as well the promotion of the many negative preconceptions of those suffering from this. Case in point: The people going by the names smileykins, tallcotton, and a couple of others have toiled around the clock not only on the MW website, as shown in the previous posting, but on literally ALL websites discussing this disorder.

South is seemingly trying to wage some sort of an imaginary war, misunderstanding what well meaning intentions are.

To gain even more insight into what the belief in “morgellons disease” is capable of doing to some people, I encourage everyone to visit that link I’d posted, to his new blog. He was like this, he says, before he’d heard of “morgellons”. That’s true, I think, for most of the people who believe in it. Notice his web site, and all he promotes there, which was always profound enough, before he created the blog.

Lying, while interjecting words like “literally”, and “honestly”, and “without a doubt”, may appeal to other people who can’t distinguish lies from the truth. It’s extremely harmful to mess around with people like that, because some are only accustomed to lies, and really don’t know the difference. (What???)

I’ve been nice to this guy, and really bent over backwards to communicate with him. South showed up here, and carried on, and out of concern, I’d told him that he needed to be treated for anxiety. He’s trying to make sure we all know that it’s more serious than anxiety. I’m getting it, too,(now?). He’d shown himself, posting lies about TC & me on the Emerging Diseases’ forum, a while back. I deleted a couple of comments that I’d wanted to make there, since then, on “morgellons disease”, realizing if I did, it would stir him up. There’s hardly room for doubt that he’s in some kind of misery. I just can’t understand not wanting to treat it. Instead, he prefers his mission to further influence others’ fragile states of mind with all of his fears and take them down with him. Lots of them don’t know any better, because they’re all scared to pieces, anyway.

Makes me wonder, but I don’t know.

All I’d done to South was to ask, here…

Some of the past, simple, questions I’ve asked of you, after you’d come here and opened the door for discussion, were things along the lines of….

1. Do you know that psoriasis patients go to bed in clean sheets, and often wake up to a bed full of shed skin cells the next morning?

2. Who’d thought that you’d given what you call “a dormant infection” to your girl friend, you or her?

3. Did you consider that she could have developed a reaction to a contact allergen and try detecting, and eliminating, the source?

4. Why have you both believed that after she improved, same as you had, that you both continue to carry around something lying in a state of dormancy?

5. What do you have that causes pain and difficulty in your fingers/hands?

6. Last, but not least, why have you gone to such extremes as to produce crossinglines.net, and going on to lymebusters’ message board, reporting that you were being followed, and direct everyone to your site, introducing them to Tam-tam?

tallcotton says:

Fred,

Why is it that you Morgies have asked that question over and over, and that it has been answered, over and over, and none of you seem to be able to comprehend the answer, although it’s rather simple?

It’s not true that we have posted on all of the Morgellons sites. Why are you lying? Spending a lot of time on something does not mean that it is an obsession. Some projects require it. It’s very important to the health and welfare of the public that you quit recruiting and brainwashing new members into your delusional belief system.

You, Fred, have a very serious problem. I don’t have any problems. Most of our comments are posted for the purpose of helping those prospective new recruits, not you, Fred. You have absolutely no evidence, whatsoever, that Morgellons exists, and your beliefs are unshakable. There’s no help for you until you start listening to your doctors and following his advice.

You think you are going to help yourself and each other. Well, good luck! You’re going to need it.

Tall Cotton

Sarah B-Dunn says:

Instead of ad hominem attacks against Morgellons debunkers, Fred, perhaps just showing some evidence that Morgellons is a discrete, physical condition will do nicely. We’re all ears.

Diehard says:

#168 smileykins Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 12:26 am

Typo: “of”

“Am I upset that they’ve all gone wild?”

—————————————-

There is a new video out called “Morgies Gone Wild”.

smileykins2 says:

“Morgies Gone Wild”, featuring the Nanobot Babes?

tallcotton says:

Questions And Answers About Morgellons

Question: If there’s no Morgellons pathogen, why do antibiotics help some Morgie people?

Answer: Because some Morgie people have bacterial infections. Some also have fungal infections, and fungicides may improve their condition.

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Question: Why do you believe that none of these are the “illusive organism” causing Morgellons?

Answer: Because I don’t believe that there is such a thing as Morgellons Disease.

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Question: Why do you believe that there is no Morgellons Disease?

Answer: I’ve read a lot of reports from a lot of people. I know that different people have different symptoms, and those symptoms are too widely varied to be the symptoms of a single disease. I also know what several of the Morgie people have been diagnosed with. People who think they have Morgellons Disease have a very wide variety of different health problems.

===============

Question: If all of the Morgie people don’t have the same disease, why do their micrographs look so much alike?

Answer: Because scabs, dead skin cells, cellular debris, collagen, fibroblasts, environmental fibers, dried blood, sebum, and serum naturally look a lot alike.

===============

Question: Aren’t you afraid that you might catch Morgellons?

Answer: No, not a bit. I don’t believe in Morgellons, unless you want to talk about the DOP aspect, and I’ve had DOP. I don’t think I’ll ever get it again.

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Question: Why do some people seem to catch Morgellons and some don’t?

Answer? Because some of the Morgies have communicable diseases. There are also problems with foile a deux and foile a famille, regarding shared delusions.

===============

Question: What are the black specks in the lesions?

Answer: Some have been reported as being encapsulated microfibers. As many fibers as there are in the air we breath, and the air that our skin is exposed to, it sounds very logical to me. Some may also be dried blood and cellular debris, etc.

===============

Question: Why do lesions reportedly begin to heal when all of the debris in them is removed?

Answer: When this is the case, it is because the objects are waste products or environmental contaminants. The body has rejected them. It will attempt to disolve them, push them to the surface, or encapsulate them. Normal healing with resume after these objects are dealt with.

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Question: Why are most of the so-called Morgellons fibers reportedly blue, red, white, and transparent?

Answer: Although red, white, and blue are the most common colors of clothing fibers, I believe there’s more to it than that. I believe that some of the fibers may be fibroblasts which are used to encapsulate foreign material. The body produces these fibers, and although I don’t know their chemical makeup, I do believe that this material will not metabolize. Since the trapped material won’t dissolve, the encapsulating fibers are designed to endure. If Dr. Wymore is correct about these fibers resisting high temperatures, this may be the reason. I do not know the difference in the chemical composition of the red and the blue colors. But, as an example, the ruby and the sapphire are almost identical in chemical composition, and this slight difference causes a remarkably different appearance. A similar thing may be happening with the fibers. This could also be true for the other colors. It’s also possible that the transparent fibers are the result of liquids being extruded through the pores. I’ve seen it happen on numerous occasions.

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Question: Why are Morgie people diagnosed as being delusional when they know that they are really seeing things that come from their skin.

Answer: Sometimes a person can’t tell if they are really seeing what they think they are seeing, but delusions have nothing to do with what a person sees. Delusions pertain to what one “believes about” what they see. That’s why a doctor can diagnose DOP ten feet away, farther if he has good ears.

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Question: Do you believe all Morgies are delusional?

Answer: I’ll let you answer that one. What do you believe about Morgellons?

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Tall Cotton

Tallcotton says:

http://www.dpref.com/burrows.html

smileykins says:

Question: Do you believe all Morgies are delusional?

Answer: YES

and…

What do you believe about Morgellons?

I think that anyone who’s been diagnosed with DOP has DOP, and that it’s developed (like it does, after all), due to the underlying illness they aren’t treating. They’re clueless, and don’t want to learn the truth, and that it’s what’s triggered it.

I also think that anyone who hasn’t been diagnosed with DOP, but has fallen for the belief in “morgellons disease” is delusional, also, just for believing in it. What’s made them do it? Well, anyone can see their pictures, their videos, and more convincing than anything, anyone can read about them. They make it easy for everyone to see inside their minds.

I don’t think a lot of the believers even have a clue, when they get angry at other ones for sounding, what they consider to be, out of line. Many get concerned that they’re going to give “their disease” a bad reputation. It seems none of them know just exactly what’s going on here, altogether.

None of them has a sense of self, either, for sure, so they aren’t able to realize that only they, and they alone, can get better on their own. “We” and “us”, is even a delusion. They all want a hero to save them.

Sarah B-Dunn says:

I find it interesting as well that not just Fred, but many people, to talk about compassion in the conversation part of a person’s blog. We’re here for discussion, not for compassion or to be someone’s therapist. If you can’t have a logical conversation and are, for example, talking about “fungus bacteria,” or, if you can’t properly spell “Morgellons” on your website, you gotta take the heat of criticism and suspicion. *shrug*

tallcotton says:

Fred,

I know you aren’t here reading this, you big liar. You better be careful coming down on people who draw Social Security Disability. You just might wind up there yourself someday. Or, are you just jealous because I don’t have to do a lick of work for anyone else, for the rest of my life, and I get a pretty nice check/ If you don’t like it, that’s what I call “tough shit”. Is that mature enough for you? If you aren’t a Morgie, it’s only because you haven’t developed DOP yet. You do seem to have the prerequisites to develop it quickly. Good Luck to You.

Tall Cotton

smileykins says:

Fuck Fred. Period.

Jester says:

Dude don’t diss masons – my grandpa was a mason and so are a lot of my friends… and cats have lots of pointy parts to defend themeselves against exactly that sort of thing, so watch out anyone who wants to hurt a cat.

ArtistUSA says:

I find it amazing that some people will spend their time and energy bashing sick people! First of all, why DO you care, why WOULD you care, why SHOULD you care about ” Morgies”, as you call them?

Could it be that “You People” have nothing better to do? I think that Morgonellons, or whatever his name is/was “retired” so that he didn’t look like such a close minded ass when, in fact, the scientific and medical communities are now accepting this disease as “real” – an epidemic…more and more people are getting it-or could it be that now they know what to call this disease-NO MATTER WHO NAMED IT!!! You guys better hurry up…follow your leader…jump off your sinking ship!!!

PS-Quick question-what did you guys call your website when you were degrading people with Lyme Disease? Or maybe you’ve been around longer that that…people with AIDS must have been a real hoot for you all…how many of you are there?…3 or 4 closed minded idiots that feel the need to bash a group of individuals just for the sake of argument… or just because you can…perhaps your time would be better spent reading up on Karma!

Good luck to you all.

smileykins says:

ArtistUSA, please refer, in specifics, where there is any “bashing” of sick people, and I will address it, as I’m sure anyone else who is guilty of it will, also.

Why DO I, WOULD I, SHOULD I care?

The question is, “why should I not care?”

Patients who believe they have something other than what they were diagnosed with, and that it’s “morgellons disease”, coined the term, “morgies”.

Severely ill patients have ignored numerous doctors, denying their diagnoses and twisting things around to suit them. When mental illnesses of this magnitude are allowed to reign supreme in such patients’ lives, wreaking such havoc, and they band together going public with it, spreading the word that it’s some new disease that’s doing it all to them, why do you seem to think that anyone should have to validate their opinion that it’s wrong?

I don’t know how long you think you’ve had “morgellons disease”, but if not for this movement of misled patients, you most certainly wouldn’t think that. Nobody would. That’s a fact, and there is no “epidemic”. The fear is just spreading to more “mentally suggestive types” of people, who are vulnerable to the belief. Things couldn’t be better for quack doctors. Repeat: things could NOT be better for quack doctors.

The CDC was literally forced into looking into the matter, knowing, all along, what the situation has been. Now, they have to find a solution for all of you, since you’ve been unable to address what so many legitimate doctors wanted you to treat for.

Don’t compare this AIDS. There is a real lyme disease, also, but I am not at issue with that.

Due to the circumstances (and that’s an understatement, if there ever was one), patients in this group aren’t aware of their individuality, and they’re taking each other down, together, remaining in the chaotic states they’re in. Are you, like so many others who believe they have “morgellons disease”, of the opinion that you have it because of karma? Well, you don’t.

I have nearly limitless compassion for people suffering from mental disorders, but when they come here, as well as elsewhere on the internet, putting out lies about Tall Cotton and me on a personal level, I may seem as though I often don’t. That is just because I have dealt with morgies in every way that I know how to, over the past two years.

You’ve all sounded such a loud call of attention to yourselves.

You’re stating that you want society’s head turned the other way?

Again, please bring to our attention where we have “bashed” anybody, and an apology will be forthcoming, if I am at fault and there was a misunderstanding on my part.

tallcotton says:

ArtistUSA,

I find it amazing that people who believe in Morgellons disease are such hypocrites. They come to this blog and bash us, then accuse us of bashing them. They spit out their venom, warn us about karma, then close their post with a phoney “Good luck” or “Have a nice day.” They refuse to debate the issues, and can’t produce any evidence that Morgellons is a real disease, or even that it exists as a health condition. They come here asking the same questions that we have answered, over and over. But they either don’t take the time to read, or else their comprehension skills are very lacking.. They come here to disrupt our efforts. That’s something we aren’t doing on the believer’s forums.

The scientific and medical communitise are not accepting Morgellons as anything real. That’s another delusion. There are, however, more and more quack doctors coming onboard to exploit the Morgies. Morgies don’t seem to check these people’s backgrounds. There are also some researchers using this issue to promote their own personal agendas. The twisted information they put out is causing the Morgies even greater confusion.

Delusiona of Parasitosis is the only epidemic related to the issue of Morgellons. It’s true that a lot of Morgies have come out of the closet, so to speak, because of the recent media blitz, but it’s also true that DOP is spreading via the internet. The prospective Morgies that find the forums of the Morgellons believers don’t stand much of a chance of recovering. Their delusions about Morgellons are reinforced, and they are taught not to trust their doctors.

Morgies are not looking for the truth. Morgies are looking for validation for their twisted ideas. If they were looking for the truth, they would base their opinions on the evidence that is available, not on the opinions of people who agree with them. Morgies are interesting people, but it wasn’t Sir Thomas Brown that named their disease. It was Karl Axel Ekbom.

Tall Cotton

ArtistUSA says:

oh…I do believe in Karma! I DO NOT THINK, NOR DID I SAY THAT I GOT MORGELLONS BECAUSE OF KARMA…(as previously mentioned, I do not have morgellons)

I mentioned Karma because karma is a funny thing (and I don’t mean humorous). After pigeon holing an entire group of different people, with different circumstances, and different ideas and ideals, and different beliefs and probably different everything BUT symptoms…well, wouldn’t it be ironic if, God forbid, one of you guys had the misfortune to contract/attract Morgellons…had all of these symptons and was told you were “crazy”…even by your blogging friends…and NO ONE BELIEVED YOU…YOU!!! YOU??? YOU- “THE DEFENDER OF NO SUCH THING AS”. How could they not believe you? You’re intelligent, you’re not crazy, you’re normal…you know…kind of like “Karma” biting you in the ass wouldn’t you say?

smileykins says:

ArtistUSA, unless you’d wanted to be looked upon as a very mean spirited and unstable person, then please review your initial comments #305 & #306, and realize the err of your ways.

“Setting the record straight”, is doing what I’d requested of you. I’d said to be specific and show where there is any “bashing” of sick people here, and I’d said we’d be happy to address it. That’s fair, and it’s how we settle misunderstandings.

You’re upset, and you lashed out with false accusations, there, and now, again, to TC, totally unaware of anything that’s transpired before your presence, here. You’d just said that you only began looking on line today to “try and find out what the hell this disease is” and that during your search you’d ended up here.

Some good advice to carry with you for the rest of your apparently young life:

1.Look before you leap

2.Check both directions before you cross the street

You’re in the ONLY place to learn about “morgellons disease” where you can get it all, in-depth and honest. Forget about reading the comments’ section here, where morgies come and blow off their mouths at us, like you just did today.

Go back to the April archives and read THE TOPICS. Take your time, clicking onto any links that are included in them, working your way up to the present.

This illness sears into patients’ minds, as well as into the minds of others who succumb to it. The originator began it, and the “experts” behind it make sure of transferring the “morgellons disease” myth onto these patients, and they know just the right words to say to exploit their vulnerabilities. They prey upon their worst fears, taking them straight from their message boards. “Morgellons disease” has quickly become a lucrative business for quacks and snake oil salespeople. Stick with it. You’ll see how many are cured. They never will be, unless the patients themselves wake up, through some miracle, and take the original advice they were given by real doctors.

When there isn’t an underlying physical condition responsible for triggering Secondary Organic DOP, it’s ONLY either the Primary Psychotic form, where it’s the sole psychological disturbance, or it’s Secondary Functional DOP, due to an underlying psychiatric condition.

There is nothing difficult to understand about this, or about how this “morgellons disease” situation came to be. Most of these patients refused to treat DOP, repeatedly, and fell into this false belief. TC and I have been in touch with what’s happened much longer than you have. If you want to learn, you can, and you will. However, I don’t hold out much hope for it, due to your general tone and whatever has caused it.

tallcotton says:

ArtisUSA,

No, let me set the record straight! You came to this site, one whose purpose is clearly identified as being for skeptical analysis and debunking, and immediately accused us of “bashing sick people”. Just a few words later you called Michael, the blog owner, a “closed minded ass”. As if these were not enough, you accused us of “degrading people with lyme disease”, You called us “closed minded idiots”, You said that we “bash a group of individuals just for the sake of argument… or just because you (we) can.” In addition to all these charges, you managed to associate this delusional disorder with AIDS, which is a real killer. You said, “People with AIDS must have been a real hoot for you all.” Those are pretty strong accusations, but every one of them is a lie.

It doesn’t look to me like you came here to get information. If you had looked, you not only would have found it, but you would have found enough to keep you busy for a long, long time But just a few minutes later, you were at it again. You said that we didn’t like Fred for his differing opinions. If that’s true, it’s not because of his opinions on the topic of Morgellons. We didn’t come here to learn. We came here to teach the people that are undecided or just beginning to think that they may have Morgellons, that the disease does not exist. We’re here to teach them that there are other explanations for the problems they are having with their skin. We know that Morgellons is DOP, and we aren’t here to compromise.

I told Fred that Smileykins and I are retired on Social Security disabilities. He replied, “It also makes me feel ill thinking of the fact that my tax dollars are supporting complete losers with an internet connection such as yourselves.” Social Security was my insurance policy. I’m 57 years old, and I’ve paid a hell of a lot, for a hell of a long time. I’m a little bit older than Smileykins, but other than our ages, this is also true for her. Neither Fred, nor anyone else, is paying our way. He also said that we don’t have any compassion and that we are fairly ignorant. Well, he’s a whole lot ignorant because our compassion is one of our reasons for being here Our target group, however, are not Morgies. Their prospective recruits, who would otherwise fall into the trap that they did, are our targets. I called Fred a liar when he said that he wouldn’t be back, and when he returned, those words were the first thing he found addressed to him

You accused us of kicking people when they are down. You said that Morgellons Watch is not an information site. You said that this site is two people who are bitching and moaning about something they actually know nothing about. I don’t know how you can say these things and at the same time expect a cordial welcome. These things are lies, and you are a liar. You also said some things about yourself that don’t ring true. You said thay you sometimes read Morgellons websites, but you also said that just found out about the so-called disease today. I thought your wording sounded rather odd. You said that you didn’t come to this site to debate or to spit out venom, or for any other reason than to acquire fome insight into this “disease”. It is a big mistake to think that Morgellons is anything real.

You said that it appears to you that we only want people on this site if they think like we do. .
What you seem to missing is the fact that if you stray away from the truth, it’s not the truth any more. You said, “I was quite angry that you (collectively) could so easily dismiss any idea that a disease of this kind could even exist.” Have you had time to read the case definition yet. It was written by the Morgellons Research Foundation. They combined the symptoms of several diseases and disorders and blamed them all on Morgellons. No one comes anywhere close to having all of the symptoms on that list. If you want to know what their registrants are suffering from, look at the differential diagnosis list. Those other diseases, ones that the patients were diagnosed with, are the causes of their problems..

There’s no reasons to believe that Morgellons is a disease. In spite of the lack of evidence, the Morgies still believe. There’s plenty of evidence to the contrary, yet the Morgies still believe. Their belief they have organisms inside them, eating them up from the inside out. They believe all sorts of crazy things, and their beliefs are unshakable. These people are delusional, and most of them have recieved that diagnosis several times. You said your cousin is no longer herself, as if her body has been invaded by something. But we don’t deny the existance of any of the many real diseases. We don’t deny that the body sometimes has invaders. But your cousin does not have morgellons. We know who invented the lie and how it came about. We watched the lie evolve. We studied the people, and we understand the issue.

There is a real disease that has these symptoms. The condition is Delusions of Parasitisis, and it has ruined many lives. It almost ruied ours. We each had our versions of Morgellons, just like the other Morgies have their’s. The sympoms are widely varied because they are really different medical conditions. You said that you sometimes real Morgellons sites. Are you aware of the fact that you called Morgellons “our disease”? Maybe you’re telling the truth, but you sometimes say things in a strange way. Yes, there is a point to this. You said that your cousin was diagnosed with Morgellons, and I don’t believe you. This much is certain. If that really happened, the doctor is either a quack, or else he knowss the truth and is exploiting the patient. It’s that simple. What is this doctor’s name?

Tall Cotton

al says:

Ahhh but TC,
Finally I agree with you….
Yes you are a closed minded idiot…
Ohhh the bliss to blog

al says:

Time will tell, m’lady

tallcotton says:

Anytime a forum owner sees that their message board or a particular message thread is being used to feed their member’s sickness, the message board should be shut dowm, or the message thread thread should be locked. Canalon should have locked the Fiber thread at Biology Online a long time ago because of the schizophrenics using it to fulfill the demands of their sickness. She finally closed the Fiber thread because of constant bickering between members.

That certainly applies to message boards like Lymebusters, where most of their members have DOP and are reinforcing each other’s delusions on the forum. The owners of these forums should voluntarily shut these sites down. But, in my opinion, the problem with Lymebusters is that their owner is just as delusional as their members are. Instead of seeing the damage they are doing, they think they are a support forum doint their members a service.

TC

andycoyle1 says:

2. DETAILS OF FACTS & EVENTS

Dear Dr Ailsa Wight F.A.O. The UK Department of Health, Chief Medical Officer

To whom it may concern,

(and believe me it concerns ,us all)

I wish to officially request that an urgent investigation is immediately launched into what I believe could be

“the greatest single threat to human health since the discovery of AIDS”.

In particular, the release of a “transgenic nematode” (genetically altered and enhanced nematode) ,and subsequent trillions of releases since 1996 into the environment, via a loophole in United States law.

See: http://www.isb.vt.edu/epasrc/enacted/epa.gui.txt (The Law)

See: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/brs/arthropod/permits/9605201r/9605201r.html (Evidence of its use)

From this I learned that:

The United States Environmental Protection Agency does not regulate insecticidal nematodes (Gorsuch, 1982), including genetically engineered strains (Andersen, personal communication).

Also backed up by an article by the same Dr Randy Gaugler which is to be found at:

see: http://www.gcsaa.org/gcm/1997/dec97/12nema.html

From this I read:

Regulatory constraints have hindered the development of some genetically engineered organisms. Insecticidal nematodes, however, possess a unique niche in the regulatory environment. In 1996, we readily obtained approval at federal, state and local levels to release our transgenic strain into turfgrass field plots at the Rutgers Upper Deerfield Experiment Station in Salem County, N.J. (4). Results from the study support the regulatory view that the transgenic nematode strain is an unlikely environmental threat.

The release of which has infected humans and led to the emergence of a new pathogen, Photorhabdus luminescens, both of which cause serious harm to health in humans. One only recently documented, the other as yet undisclosed, until now!

Before you read through this document, keep one statement (PUBLISHED UPON THE CDC’S, Centre for Disease Control website), in mind at all times, which is:

Dispatch
Photorhabdus Species: Bioluminescent Bacteria as Emerging Human Pathogens?
Genes encoding homologues of insecticidal toxins from Photorhabdus spp occur naturally within the genome of

Yersinia pestis, the cause of plague.

Lateral transfer of genetic material between Photorhabdus and Yersinia species is thought to have resulted from their common association with insects as bacterial pathogens.

It seems likely therefore that Photorhabdus spp are transmitted to humans by a terrestrial invertebrate (nematode or arthropod), but that vector (delivery method) has not yet been identified.

See at: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol9no2/02-0222.htm#1

The result of this gerry-mandering and jiggery-pokery at a genetic level, without the need for authorisation to do so, or the need for authorisation as to its’ eventual release and use, has resulted in the release of a Nematode with super-powers, if you like “The Nematode Nemesis ”

I have found evidence of twelve cases of infection by a bacteria associated with, and produced from within nematodes’, Photorhabdus Species, this is the bacteria that is produced within the nematode and released within its host, feeding the nematode and causing the death of the host. In fact this evidence is further sensationalised, and the link between the bacteria and the transgenic nematodes’ further qualified, by the fact that Photorhabdus Species bacteria is bio-luminescent, which is historically only seen in marine species.

The bio-luminescece trait is evidenced within my video , and still images of my own infection by the transgenic organism and its bacterial passenger!

In fact, the discovery of this bio-luminescent terrestrial bacteria is, I believe, directly due to the fact that the transgenic nematodes were enhanced with, the luminescence gene from jelly-fish (green fluorescent protein (GFP)) and in turn created the new bioluminescent bacterial species. This enhancement is in addition to other genetic enhancements made, which I shall attempt to explain later in this e-mail.

andycoyle1 says:

(commensals = where one organism benefits and the other is neither harmed nor helped, Latin com mensa, meaning sharing a table.)

Now balance that with the statement made by Dr Randy Gaugler in his paper of 1996 at: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/brs/arthropod/permits/9605201r/9605201r.html

Which states:

APHIS has categorized H. bacteriophora as among “low-risk organisms which have already been released in the U.S.”

The genetic modifications we have made to H. bacteriophora should not impact this nematode’s spectrum of insecticidal activity.
It is difficult to envision a worst-case scenario in which the donor organisms might conceivably cause plant damage or even stress. There is only one worst-case scenario in which the recipient, H. bacteriophora, might indirectly cause plant damage: by killing nontarget pollinators or insect predators and parasitoids that attack plant pests. Like most insecticidal nematodes, H. bacteriophora is reputed to possess a broad spectrum of insect activity, killing most insects in petri dish assays. This is an experimental or laboratory host range, however, not a natural host range. In nature, behavioral and ecological barriers come into play to greatly limit natural host range (Gaugler, 1988); thus, there are very few reports of field-collected insects being infected with H. bacteriophora, suggesting a restrictive host range in nature.

An examination of a worst-case scenario is worthwhile in assessing the potential plant health risk represented by the proposed field release of a transgenic insecticidal nematode. If: (1) infective juvenile nematodes escaped from the containment soil cylinders, and (2) these nematodes in fact possessed enhanced field persistence, and (3) were able to disperse long distances to new habitats where they might presently be constrained from colonization by episodes of sudden high temperature, and (4) the transgenic nematode was able to survive other environmental constraints of the new habitat (e.g., low soil moisture), and (5) this new habitat contains hosts the nematode was adapted to parasitize, and (6) the nematode(s) were able to locate, overcome the immune response, and reproduce in the host, and (7) the new hosts were beneficial insects that regulate the populations of important crop pests, then this series of unlikely events might lead to indirect crop damage. In short, there is a very low, insignificant probability that this series of events would actually occur.

Also, as if further support were needed as to the dangers posed by transgenic nematodes, read:

See: http://stri.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Nematoda

GMOs should not be released into the environment as there is not adequate scientific understanding of their impact on the environment and human health.

Overview
Nematodes are roundworms that have bilateral symmetry and lack a complex body plan. Roundworms have a simple nervous system, no digestive system or respiratory system, and possess only longitudinal muscles. They move by contracting these muscles, causing the worms to whip back and forth because they have nothing to brace these muscles against. Nematodes excrete wastes using specialized cells or canals, but do not contain flame cells, as the flatworms do. There are around 12,000 species of Nematodes that have been identified, although studies suggest that there could be up to about 500,000 species. Nematodes include both free-living and parasitic species, many of which can be harmful to humans. Nematoda includes common roundworms, which infect many humans worldwide, hookworms, trichina worms, which are responsible for trichinosis, pinworms, and filarial worms, which cause the devastating diseases elephantiasis and river blindness. The damage nematodes can cause in humans should not be underestimated, nor should their abundance in the world.

Then take the position of Greenpeace, who state that:

“GMOs (Genetically modified organisms) should not be released into the environment as there is not adequate scientific understanding of their impact on the environment and human health.”

“The introduction of genetically engineered (GE) organisms into the complex ecosystems of our environment is a dangerous global experiment with nature and evolution.”

“These human-made organisms can reproduce and interbreed with natural organisms, thereby spreading to new environments and future generations in an unpredictable and uncontrollable way.”

I believe that the genetically altered transgenic nematode, and its’ dispersal into the environment, is the cause of the phenomenon known as “Morgellons Disease”, of which I myself have suffered from for seven-years.

In this e-mail I aim to substantiate my claim, and convince you to take immediate action!

Furthermore I draw your attention to the paper submitted by Dr. Randy Gaugler, this can be found at:

see: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/brs/arthropod/permits/9605201r/9605201r.html

From this I learned that: (repeated above at start of document)

The United States Environmental Protection Agency does not regulate insecticidal nematodes (Gorsuch, 1982), including genetically engineered strains (Andersen, personal communication).

Also backed up by an article by the same Dr Randy Gaugler which is to be found at:

see: http://www.gcsaa.org/gcm/1997/dec97/12nema.html

From this I read:

Regulatory constraints have hindered the development of some genetically engineered organisms. Insecticidal nematodes, however, possess a unique niche in the regulatory environment. In 1996, we readily obtained approval at federal, state and local levels to release our transgenic strain into turfgrass field plots at the Rutgers Upper Deerfield Experiment Station in Salem County, N.J. (4). Results from the study support the regulatory view that the transgenic nematode strain is an unlikely environmental threat.

In fact I discovered that the exemption he refers to is found in the document:

See: http://www.biotechknowledge.com/biotech/knowcenter.nsf/ID/29799E76BC3CB86086256AF600526505?OpenDocument&highlight=0,NEMATODES

In which it states:

It is now possible to transfer genes into plants that confer the ability to produce an entire virus that is pathogenic to a targeted insect pest of that plant (Service, 1996). Such plants obviously must be subject to careful study, evaluation, and formal or informal oversight, but as plants and not as pesticides. We would point out that microbial biocontrol agents delivered or vectored to a targeted insect pest or weed by a nematode or arthropod are currently exempt from regulation as microbial pesticides under FIFRA (Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act) on the basis that the nematode or arthropod released to deliver the microorganism is already subject to adequate oversight by the USDA (USDept of Agricuilture).

The Act

FEDERAL REGISTER
Vol. 51, No. 123
Thursday, June 26, 1986

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
[OPTS-00049A]
Statement of Policy; Microbial Products Subject to the Federal
Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act and the Toxic
Substances Control Act
AGENCY: Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
ACTION: Notice.

can be read at:

See: http://www.isb.vt.edu/epasrc/enacted/epa.gui.txt

I have found out from a past paper on US bio-technology;

See: http://www.icsu-scope.org/downloadpubs/scope44/chapter14.html

There is a clear policy established requiring review of genetically engineered microorganisms prior to release into the environment with some organisms subject to an abbreviated review. In the unlikely event of a problem arising in this period of time EPA (environment protection agency) could use its authority under section 7 of TSCA to immediately limit or prohibit the manufacture, processing, distribution, or use of the product. In addition to the EPA activity, USDA will review all genetically engineered plant pests and animal pathogens.

With this in mind maybe now would be a good time to invoke the use of such a power.

Finally I would like to remind you that this could be observed as a biological threat against mankind. With that in mind I wish to remind you of our obligations as a country under the “Biological Weapons Convention” I am sure that you will be aware that my notifying you of this conjecture regarding this emerging disease and genetically altered organism, places squarely upon us as a country the rensponsibility to investigate, and inform the signatories of the BWC treaty.

The creation and stockpiling of biological weapons (“offensive BW”) was outlawed by the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC), signed by over 100 countries. The BWC remains in force.

I do hope that you took the time to read this document. This is a matter of international significance to world health.

Below is my attempt to decipher exactly what was done to create this transgenic nematode, and to explain the scientific terminology/shorthand/code used in the paper.

andycoyle1 says:

c. Vector pUC18 gfp with a C.
elegans hsp70
gene

Describing the microinjection of a fragment of the genetic code of gfp,c elegans and hsp70 using a plasmid vector.

(Plasmid = DNA molecule capable of autonomous replication. It is typically circular and double-stranded.)

(vector = Any device of transportation or movement.)

Finally I would like to remind you that this could be observed as a biological threat against mankind. With that in mind I wish to remind you of our obligations as a country under the “Biological Weapons Convention” I am sure that you will be aware that my notifying you of this conjecture regarding this emerging disease and genetically altered organism, places squarely upon us as a country the rensponsibility to investigate, and inform the signatories of the BWC treaty.

The creation and stockpiling of biological weapons (“offensive BW”) was outlawed by the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC), signed by over 100 countries. The BWC remains in force.

I do hope that you took the time to read this document. This is a matter of international significance to world health.

Yours Faithfully and Sincerely

With the best of intentions!
Andrew Coyle

smileykins says:

I’m so sorry, Andy. I know what I just said didn’t sit well, but I mean it from the heart, and I really am so full of regret that this terrible illness has been triggered in anybody, and that “morgellons disease” has made it so much worse. It didn’t “All Start With A Young Boy Named Drew”, though. Maybe not everyone knows that, so just bear with me, and stay tuned. Only you hold the key to your own recovery. I think many of you know that.

andycoyle1 says:

Hi guys,

Prevarication, thaT’S THE WORD FOR THOSE THREE POSTS YOU JUST MADE.

Informed debate, analysis and rational argument. Foundation stones of any well put case.

You have not been able to disengage the fervently held position you occupy,to take a dispassionate, and calm lok at the video, stills, and the evidence you see above this post.

In fact the article, paper I have written haS BEEN SUBMITTED, AND PUBLISHED BY THE LANCET. If you provide an e-mail address I will send you a copy. I am sure you can set up a temp email address and send me a request to andy.coyle1@btinternet.com

YOU SEE, I DON’T HATE YOU FOR YOUR OPINION, that is your right, I might not agree with that opinion, yet I will vigorously defend your right to hold it, and express it. However wrong it might be.

However, what I do hate is prevarication, I admire the argument put as long as it deals with the evidenc head on. If then you are able to argue that position successfully, then who am I to disagree.

That is the fundamental basis for a free thinking, and self-expressing society.

Hopefully the time is coming for the facts to be revealed,

A = that morgellons disease is only an epithet applied by sufferers of an unknown pathogen, or disease.

B = That the bacterial agents causing this calamity will be exposed as the real cause and a much bigger danger than a limited range illness might be.

C = That the temporary label of morgellons will be superseded with an official scientific label for the emerging strains/genus of bacteria which has led to these illnesses in people.

When in distress people will always reach out desperately for manswers and labels.

My family are fine thank-you for asking, I shall pass on your regards.

Yours Faithfully

Andy Coyle

tallcotton says:

Andy,

You sound like a very fair person, and I also respect your right to your opinions, and your right to express them. At the same time, I honestly believe that any Morgellons believer that shares his theories with others is helping to reinforce their delusions. This is causing a great deal of harm, both directly and indirectly.

We know exactly when, why, and how this mess originated, how it evolved over the years, who caused that to happen, and which doctors and researchers are involved in the exploitation of the Morgellons believers. This something we are “wondering about”. This is something we fully understand.

Morgellons is DOP. The sufferers have a variety of health problems that led to the development of a psychotic state in the Morgellons believers. The proof is here on this blog, but you have to read it. Start with the main topics, and go from there.

Tall Cotton

andycoyle1 says:

Thank-you for being reasonable in your rebuttal, yet I feel I must re-iterate a point I have made many times, which is the following:

The idea of a problem shared is not a problem halved, but is instead a delusion reinforced, is the stock answer and reason given to justify the lack of action, or any examination given, by Doctors’ approached by sufferers of these symptoms.

The Doctors’ are taught, ingrained into them, that symptoms like these are Ekbom’s syndrome, and any attempt to even just cursorily examine the patient, will result in themselves, the Doctors’, beng guilty of, at best, re-inforcing the patients delusion, or worse being labelled ‘folie a deuix’ (the folly of two), and liable to professional ridicule, or worse.

Therefore, the current situation with ‘morgellons symptoms sufferers’ has been allowed to accrue and become worse, because of this obstacle.

It is not a conspiracy at the Doctors’ level, the recent diagnosis of twelve sufferers with Photorhabdus asymbiotica Kingscliff shows this not to be the case.

In fact it is a problem with their ability to think outside the box. To accept that the world is round, instead of flat. To accept that the earth orbits the sun instead of it being the centre of the universe with everything else orbiting it.

It requires a Doctor with the foresight and courage, like say a modern day galileo, to change this anachronism which should be firmly jettisoned and left in the past where it belongs alongside such similar beliefs as witchcraft etc.

Yours nFaithfully

Andy Coyle

tallcotton says:

Andy,

The “box” you speak of is reality. Outside the box is Morgellons. Your “disease” seems like science fiction because that’s exactly what it is, science fiction. There’s nothing real about it. The “illusive” Morgellons pathogen can jump through hoops and juggle bowling pins, but that’s make believe. Every good researcher has their hands on him, and for a few more thousand, they can corral him, but those are lies, Andy. You need to find the place where you stepped out of the box. That’s the only way you’ll get back home.

Tall Cotton